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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Eiksirf on June 18, 2005, 02:41:47 PM
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I found this on Nintendorks. It\'s frightening for Nintendo, right guys?
Nintendo has announced that their net profits were quite corpulent this past fiscal year, expanding from 33.19 billion yen to 87.42 billion yen (a.k.a. 809.44 million dollars). Sales of the DS, which have now reached 5.2 million units worldwide, has helped push total sales to 515.29 billion yen (4.77 billion dollars), also an improvement over last year. The Associated Press reports that the company has also been helped by foreign exchange fluctuations, because Nintendo invests in overseas markets where the interest rates are better than Japan.
:rolleyes:
-Dan
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Nintendo\'s not going anywhere. If they get into a deep enough hole, they can buy their way out at least once. :)
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basically what that article states is that nintendo is pimpin\' the west..:thepimp:
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Thank the handheld market for that
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Funny thing is Nintendo doesn\'t even seem to put that much effort into their handhelds...it\'s all a quick fix money scheme as the high priced games go on GameCube,
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While there is effort put into GC?
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That\'s right. Effortless. ;]
Imagine if they tried!
-Dan
/wishes they\'d try
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Its because they cant put the effort.
About the handheld market:competition was non-existed adn only now there is slight and indirect newborn competition.
As for the GC it\'s not as if its selling greatly
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As for the GC it\'s not as if its selling greatly
You can compare GC sales to Xbox sales...I don\'t think they\'re doing that badly. They\'re in 3rd place, last time I checked, but very close behind.
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You know, even though I have all 3 consoles... I\'ll always have a soft spot for Nintendo. They have made many screwups but have at least always tried something weird and new.
Can you just imagine if the PSP had the touch screen thing happening somehow incl. the great graphics... first person games would have been a joy to play on the PSP.
I am very curious to see what the Revolutions controller is going to look like. They are keeping things very close to their heart...
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Its because they cant put the effort.
Dumbest statement ever.
Why exactly can\'t she "put the effort"?
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Wow..
For LICky to criticise a Unicron! statement, it must be dumb..
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or par for the course
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here\'s a summary for this entire thread:
http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/aaaaaaaaaaaaahaha/
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Dumbest statement ever.
Why exactly can\'t she "put the effort"?
I didnt explain it because I want you to use your brain for once and discover things for yourself.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
I didnt explain it because I want you to use your brain for once and discover things for yourself.
Cheap cop out.
Fact is, as always, you chime in without a clue.
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Its hard for you isnt it?
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Well you didn\'t actually make any sense.
Anyway, the point was that Nintendo isn\'t wheezing as some would suggest. They\'re rolling in cash and I\'d hope that they only have room to pick up some momentum when it comes to next gen marketshare.
-Dan
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
Well you didn\'t actually make any sense.
Nooooo. Don\'t say that to unicorn. He ALWAYS makes sense.
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Thank God someone else notices that he pops in without making any sense.
I still want to know why Nintendo "can\'t put the effort"? Is there some huge reason Nintendo just CAN\'T do it? What is this reason? Please, tell u s.
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He cant put explain to tell the make sense.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Thank God someone else notices that he pops in without making any sense.
I still want to know why Nintendo "can\'t put the effort"? Is there some huge reason Nintendo just CAN\'T do it? What is this reason? Please, tell u s.
They dont have the capital/financial strength/market share to compete head to head with the others you ignorant baby you.but as always its hard for you to think.The only thing you can do is show off your arrogance.
And its been like 2 days since I posted and you are still trying.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
They dont have the capital/financial strength/market share to compete head to head with the others
Sony and Microsoft\'s game divisions do not have carte blanche with the resources of the company at large. I would venture to say that Nintendo\'s resources are very comparable to the resources of SCEA and Microsoft\'s gaming division. The big difference is that Nintendo has less wiggle room in that if worst comes to worst Sony and Microsoft can bail their gaming divisions out.
When it comes to capital/financial strength/market share etc. Nintendo is MORE than fine. They have been posting profits in the hundreds of millions for over a decade while Microsoft has been in the red with the Xbox, since launch, in an effort to improve their position with the Xbox 360.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
They dont have the capital/financial strength/market share to compete head to head with the others you ignorant baby you.but as always its hard for you to think.The only thing you can do is show off your arrogance.
And its been like 2 days since I posted and you are still trying.
Hey, crackhead.
They do have the capital and money to go head to head. They don\'t want to. Why? Because they have their niche market and it is profitable for them.
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The problem isn\'t necessarily the amount of marketing, it\'s the way it does it.
Nintendo has gotten itself stuck with the uncool kiddy image and it has yet to get out. Third parties are a big way to do it. Seeing Nintendo logos all over the Dead To Rights ads or GTA ads or Metal Gear ads or Red Dead Revolver or anything without a Nintendo mascot makes it look cooler.
The best way to go is to get people to believe that Sony and Microsoft are inferior.
They should get the idea across that PS3 is same shit, different day. Xbox 2 is a knock-off of that same tired, boring formula. Uninspired sequels to old, boring games.
Nintendo is fresh, new, fun. Nintendo is fucking cool.
Getting that in people\'s minds along with more emphasis on 3rd party support will be the difference in taking over the marketshare.
They\'re trying to get around to that with "Nintendo Difference" but they need to slight the competition in their magazines a bit, on their websites, in their press releases.
The other guys do it, and it\'s worked so well that the media forgets about Nintendo. Nintendo needs to wave its middle finger at Sony and Microsoft and get back into people\'s minds.
-Dan
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i don\'t know i feel that nintendo feels that they are just fine where they are...in other words, they don\'t mind bein in the number 3 spot. they will let sony and microsoft spend billions tryin to have the all in one product, while nintendo will do what it always has been doin....focusing stricktly on games.....
nevermind that kiddie image, even tho i myself have criticized them for it..mario and other characters are a huge staple for them...so for them to change their image..even tho they have a few mature games on their system, ultimately people will still say "mario" when they think of nintendo...and so far this formula has been workin\' for them....
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The formula is not broken, and I don\'t see them changing it. Why should they? They aren\'t trying to be the biggest corporation ever. They make their games and they make a profit. There is NO reason for them to change what they are doing.
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More money. The only reason to change.
Having a niche market is great, they want to expand it now.
And don\'t kid yourself, they\'ve even said that games like Nintendogs and Elektroplankton are designed to interest new people that they don\'t already have.
-Dan
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True, Eik, the kiddy image does hurt them. At the same time, it is one thing that keeps them alive. Much like Disney, Nintendo knows if they go to mature, they lose a certain audience. So why do it? They are already making huge profit on the handheld market and they make a decent profit on the console market, even if they aren\'t number one.
What you are talking about is expanding their market with a game like Nintendodogs. I agree, to an extend. Still, games like that won\'t help get rid of the "kiddy image", it just helps them get further in that niche\' market.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Hey, crackhead.
They do have the capital and money to go head to head. They don\'t want to. Why? Because they have their niche market and it is profitable for them.
Then Nintendo are crackheads too for saying it
Its because they cant that they stay with their profitable "niche" market.Actually if I wanted to go deeper I would have described that niche market they are relying on.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Then Nintendo are crackheads too for saying it
Its because they cant that they stay with their profitable "niche" market.Actually if I wanted to go deeper I would have described that niche market they are relying on.
Hey, dumbass, we have all been saying already that Nintendo relys on their niche\' market and handheld industry, so don\'t think you got an original thought.
And why are the "crackheads" ? They make money. Infact, most likely they are doing better than they would if they decided to go head to head with Sony / MS. Going head to head with those two with Sony / MS would require a lot of funding in the research department, development department and probably most of all, the ad-campaign. What if their attempts flop? They lose a lot of money. Makes more sense to stay nice and steady, stay within their market and milk it. Not to mention, I think Nintendo knows that three is a crowd. Three companies competing for one demographic is simply to much.
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You know, it should be noted that Nintendogs isn\'t primarily aimed at stupid, bratty, little kids. It\'s for neurotic, cutesy loving, girls and gays .. and probably the general public that includes grannies. If you compare that to Sony\'s and Microsoft\'s traditional audience, it\'s a lot lot bigger.
Nintendo\'s direction isn\'t neccessarily going deeper into their niche market. It\'s expanding it for a wider audience.
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Yea I\'m saying they should do that and try to bring back the PS2/Xbox sheep that left the flock somewhere after SNES.
That\'s what they\'d ultimately like to do. That\'s why the big push for Eternal Darkness early on and the Resident Evils. The one thing Nintendo isn\'t right now is content with their market position.
They want more marketshare, a surer footing for the future, and buckets full of cash.
That\'s just smart business sense.
Nintendo is a global corporation with decades in the video game business. They do not intend to be a small company.
-Dan
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Hey, dumbass, we have all been saying already that Nintendo relys on their niche\' market and handheld industry, so don\'t think you got an original thought.
And why are the "crackheads" ? They make money. Infact, most likely they are doing better than they would if they decided to go head to head with Sony / MS. Going head to head with those two with Sony / MS would require a lot of funding in the research department, development department and probably most of all, the ad-campaign. What if their attempts flop? They lose a lot of money. Makes more sense to stay nice and steady, stay within their market and milk it. Not to mention, I think Nintendo knows that three is a crowd. Three companies competing for one demographic is simply to much.
Oh damn you are right.Too bad I knew it was stated before and worst of all for you that wasnt the point.DUH.
The original part is the "WHY" they keep relying on that small(this is the magic word) niche market and profit despite that they arent selling great with the GC while at the same time the only companies competing face to face each other is Sony and Microsoft.
Oh I see another magic word coming,It is the word....indirect.If you are still battling with your IQ and dont get it I ll help your brain a little.Just a little though.They compete indirectly.They are always behind the scene while the other two are competing each other face to face.
Low cost hardware, and scarce advertising.You know why is this?Well as I said I ll help only a little your brain so I ll let you think about it and find it by yourself....AGAIN.
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Say what you will about scarce advertising, but Nintendo has tv spots, theatrical trailers, special events, sponsored events and its own freakin\' magazine.
The problem is all the third party ads seem to promote playstation or xbox. That\'s what they need to fix.
They\'re not relying on a niche market, either. They\'re blessed to have that group who supports them for their fun, quality software. As I\'ve said, they\'re constantly trying to get a larger user base. They aren\'t relying on anything. After Sega, they\'re probably afraid of standing still.
They just have to find out what works, and it means an image change with the public and a way to bring in equal support from third parties.
I think in the last couple years they made great strides with Sega, EA and especially Namco. Time to keep the ball rolling and collect all the littler companies.
They recently updated their Nintendo Magazine to look a little more mature, giving out cover stories to T and M rated third party titles would be a good way to help out those companies by promoting heavily and directly to a portion of Nintendo\'s dedicated audience.
Nintendo also needs to be more accessible to the press. Get its games covered often and regularly in popular multi-platform magazines. Titles like Zelda and Mario will overshadow the generic shooters in a multi-platform magazine if Nintendo would give the editors enough material to work with.
At this point, the consoles are so equal that it\'s a marketing issue. Graphics are meaningless. The hype over HD is marketing, in my opinion. It\'s about games and selling them.
Nintendo needs to attract the third parties and get them to help advertise for their systems.
-Dan
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
Say what you will about scarce advertising, but Nintendo has tv spots, theatrical trailers, special events, sponsored events and its own freakin\' magazine.
The problem is all the third party ads seem to promote playstation or xbox. That\'s what they need to fix.
They\'re not relying on a niche market, either. They\'re blessed to have that group who supports them for their fun, quality software. As I\'ve said, they\'re constantly trying to get a larger user base. They aren\'t relying on anything. After Sega, they\'re probably afraid of standing still.
They just have to find out what works, and it means an image change with the public and a way to bring in equal support from third parties.
I think in the last couple years they made great strides with Sega, EA and especially Namco. Time to keep the ball rolling and collect all the littler companies.
They recently updated their Nintendo Magazine to look a little more mature, giving out cover stories to T and M rated third party titles would be a good way to help out those companies by promoting heavily and directly to a portion of Nintendo\'s dedicated audience.
Nintendo also needs to be more accessible to the press. Get its games covered often and regularly in popular multi-platform magazines. Titles like Zelda and Mario will overshadow the generic shooters in a multi-platform magazine if Nintendo would give the editors enough material to work with.
At this point, the consoles are so equal that it\'s a marketing issue. Graphics are meaningless. The hype over HD is marketing, in my opinion. It\'s about games and selling them.
Nintendo needs to attract the third parties and get them to help advertise for their systems.
-Dan
Except for the adverdising part the rest of your post is irrelevant to my initial point.
Sony and MS spent more to promote their products btw.
Ofcourse you ve noticed that third party developers seem to push forward PS2 and XBOX more than GC.Now why this happens?Is it the kiddish Nintendo image?
The paradox is that Nintendo lacks third party support yet they manage to profit?
How can this happen?
It not hard to see that third party developers dont profit as much from GC while Nintendo seems to profit.
Thats because the only way to survive is to find other alternative solutions.These are what helped them profit.
Things like the low cost GC, and the handheld market helps them.
Its not because they are doing superb that Nintendo profits.
Trying to compete head to head with Sony and MS doesnt necessarily mean they should sacrifice any of their previous aims at offering unique gameplay and gaming experience that Nintendo has been known for.They are not doing it though
Also trying to present a slightly more mature image doesnt have to do much with their financial ability either.
edit:Orcourse I see what you are trying to say and you have good and right points.At the end I can agree with you that they indeed put some kind of effort.The reason we dont seem to agree is because we are describing different perspectives.
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Yea I wouldn\'t change what they\'re doing now, just built on it.
For profit, it also doesn\'t hurt that they\'re the number two software publisher for sales behind Electronic Arts.
-Dan
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As long as Nintendo continues to profit they don\'t need to change anything. But as Elk said they should build on it. If it ain\'t broke don\'t fix it. BTW LIC don\'t argue with these sony fanboys (I know im gonna get flamed for saying that but I really don\'t care). You would be better off arguing with a rock because atleast a rock has some unbiased common sense.