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Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: JBean on July 21, 2005, 12:28:34 PM: Sony just announced plans that they are now including ageia\'s physics chip in the ps3.

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San Jose (CA) - Ageia has pocketed a huge deal for its physics engine that promises to make video games more realistic. Sony will integrate the technology in its upcoming game console Playstation 3 (PS3) and help to push Ageia\'s technology quickly into the gaming market.

The fastest graphics processor may not be enough anymore to achieve the best graphics performance in next generation video games after all. At least Sony believes that it needs to push the envelope even further in its next Playstation 3 console that is expected to be available in May of 2006.

http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050721_140938.html

EDIT: It looks like it is only the SDK, so software only... at first I thought Sony was going to include the actual chip.
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: THX on July 21, 2005, 12:41:28 PM: Hah cool news. I debated posting that Ageia was making seperate cards whose soul purpose was physics, just like we have seperate cards for graphics and sound. Now the PS3 gets it before PC gamers do!

Of course this raises more cost questions.
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: Knotter8 on July 22, 2005, 04:29:12 AM: Well, no ; it\'s gonna be in PS3 software form, integrated into Cell\'s instruction set.

So devs won\'t have to bother with coming up with their own physics system and the trouble of integrating it efficiently into the code.

This means development cost/time reduction for PS3 devs. Sony has really learnt from their PS2 \'mistakes\'.
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: Unicron! on July 22, 2005, 04:33:25 AM: I hope we will see the same physics seen in the Sony conference demos in-game

The real time version of the Gundam demo in playable form looks very fake because there is no physics at all.(currently at 30fps and probably lower with pop up).The detail is almost the same though if not the same.

The demos looked impressive at the conferrence not much from the graphics but from the physics mostly
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: BizioEE on July 22, 2005, 09:25:57 AM: Well, that\'s great ! The more I read about PS3, the more I get excited! Sony are truly making a beautiful machine !;)
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: Black Samurai on July 29, 2005, 09:48:29 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Knotter8
Well, no ; it\'s gonna be in PS3 software form, integrated into Cell\'s instruction set.
It\'s an additional chip added to the system. Step your reading comprehension up.
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: Evi on July 29, 2005, 10:06:40 AM: ^^^^^

Agreed. Seriously...
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: JBean on July 29, 2005, 10:17:10 AM: both of you are wrong.. it\'s only the SDK Sony is including in the development system... software only...

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“With AGEIA PhysX SDK
provided as part of Software Development Kit for PS3, we believe that numbers of content
with entirely new forms of physics expressions optimizing the power of the Cell processor will
be developed.”

http://www.ageia.com/
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/050721be.pdf

nothing too exciting as MS has also purchsed the software rights for Xbox360 months ago. That\'s Tom\'s Hardware article is very misleading...
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: Evi on July 29, 2005, 10:21:38 AM: Did you actually go to their official site? It shows a fuggin\' chip on the front page.

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The PhysX chip is supported by a software development kit SDK from subsidiary Novodex and will enable game developers to capitalize on tomorrow’s multiprocessor PC’s and parallel architecture game consoles.

Game developers are already creating titles in anticipation of the PhysX chip, using AGEIA\'s NovodeX Physics SDK - the only middleware engine equipped for the future of hardware accelerated physics while meeting today\'s software requirements. NovodeX is also the only multi-threaded physics API that will unleash the power of multi-processor systems.

(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftinypic.com%2F9ktr1f.jpg&hash=ffea16544c1ecc27b7eb1d6afb1cb61ef276dd3e)
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: Unicron! on July 29, 2005, 10:32:08 AM: I dont think its the same case with the PS3.
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: THX on July 29, 2005, 10:44:52 AM: EvX, other sites I\'ve gone to say it\'s just the SDK. No chip

And that purple thing is not how a chip looks like :p
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: Evi on July 29, 2005, 10:57:15 AM: Then WTF is up with the word "chip"?! :ohnoes: :sconf: :eek: :omg: :soapbox:
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: JBean on July 29, 2005, 11:14:03 AM: yes they are making a chip to be made for a standalone add-in card for the PC, ASUS has already signed on to distribute it.. gonna cost $249-$299..

Why add this chip when the ps3 and xbox360 have multi-core processors able to handle this sort of thing with the right software. This just lets developers have great physics without having to come up with a program, algorithm or whatever.
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: THX on July 29, 2005, 11:18:21 AM: Quote
Originally posted by EviscerationX
Then WTF is up with the word "chip"?! :ohnoes: :sconf: :eek: :omg: :soapbox:

I won\'t pretend to be a technical genius so I\'ll just say you\'re right and I think you\'re extremely sexy. :) Be mine this Valentine. ♥
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: Evi on July 29, 2005, 11:29:43 AM: Quote
Be mine this Valentine.
This Valentine? It ended months ago. Maybe next year. :gay:

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I won\'t pretend to be a technical genius so I\'ll just say you\'re right and I think you\'re extremely sexy.
You ain\'t so bad yourself. :gfight:

/done
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: Unicron! on July 29, 2005, 11:38:03 AM: Quote
Originally posted by EviscerationX
Then WTF is up with the word "chip"?! :ohnoes: :sconf: :eek: :omg: :soapbox:
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Chips are yellow silly
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: Evi on July 29, 2005, 12:36:32 PM: And orange, red, green, etc. Tard ass.
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: Unicron! on July 29, 2005, 12:47:03 PM: No there are not
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: Evi on July 29, 2005, 01:02:53 PM: Ever heard of BBQ, you crackhead?
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: Unicron! on July 29, 2005, 01:35:37 PM: Yeah I eat them too.But they are still yellowish. :p
Besides there are no purple chips
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
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You were saying? ;)
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: Unicron! on July 29, 2005, 01:46:53 PM: :laughing:
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: Paul2 on July 29, 2005, 08:39:51 PM: LOL.
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: BizioEE on July 30, 2005, 05:07:51 AM: Quote
Originally posted by JBean

Why add this chip when the ps3 and xbox360 have multi-core processors able to handle this sort of thing with the right software. This just lets developers have great physics without having to come up with a program, algorithm or whatever.

you got it !

The Cell is similar to ageia\'s physics chip, and in same cases better, so including this chip would be a repetition, and the PS3 would need more and more memory bandwidth to manage all the extra data...the Cell and RSX only need software and development tools! , and Sony are providing them !:)
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: Evi on July 30, 2005, 04:23:46 PM: Yay...a dev board...

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Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
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Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: Living-In-Clip on August 02, 2005, 08:45:33 AM: bacon...chedder......chips...
yum....
Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
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Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
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Title: Ageia\'s physics chip for PS3
Post by: Living-In-Clip on August 02, 2005, 12:48:58 PM: Quote
Originally posted by MPTheory
how many of you have eaten these?

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THat\'s just gross.