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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Riku on August 18, 2005, 10:37:22 AM
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and apparently they\'ve known since the beginning.
Ever since Microsoft\'s announcement of the Xbox 360\'s pricing structure, gamers everywhere have been wondering if developers will take full advantage of the hard drive since it\'s not a standard accessory with every system. After all, why would a developer want to risk excluding a large segment of the 360 gaming market?
Bethesda, maker of The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion for Xbox 360, has previously boasted considerable use of the hard drive for its massive RPG. Many gamers are wondering if they can still play Oblivion if they purchase the hard drive-free Core System. We contacted Bethesda directly to find out.
"We\'ve known since day one that there would be versions of the 360 without a hard drive, so Oblivion will still work on every 360," assures Todd Howard, executive producer at Bethesda. "That being said, Oblivion takes full advantage of the hard drive and uses it extensively, so we\'d certainly recommend that everyone gets one."
This indicates that the hard drive can be tapped for more than just MP3 and photo storage. It seems developers are not afraid to utilize the hard drive for optimizing load times and streamlining their games much like the original Xbox.
Game Informer has also heard rumblings that Microsoft mandated all Xbox 360 games be playable without hard drive assistance (MMOs are excused from this requirement). It\'s up to the developer to choose how much hard drive optimization to include in their games from that point.
Link (http://www.gameinformer.com/)
Be sure and pay close attention to the bold part.
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My Xbox I bought on launch day finally crapped out a couple of weeks ago. Well actually just the HD did. My bro is into that damn Live service and downloaded all this stuff onto it.
A poor excuse for it to get damaged (and even worse that we had to buy a whole new Xbox), but it\'s nice to know we won\'t need the HD to play most games.
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meh, i\'d love to see every dev make changes to thier game to allow use of the HHD "if" present
:laughing:
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Originally posted by mm
meh, i\'d love to see every dev make changes to thier game to allow use of the HHD "if" present
:laughing:
Making games hard drive aware isn\'t bad.
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Originally posted by THX
My Xbox I bought on launch day finally crapped out a couple of weeks ago. Well actually just the HD did. My bro is into that damn Live service and downloaded all this stuff onto it.
A poor excuse for it to get damaged (and even worse that we had to buy a whole new Xbox), but it\'s nice to know we won\'t need the HD to play most games.
Consider yourself lucky
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Originally posted by mm
meh, i\'d love to see every dev make changes to thier game to allow use of the HHD "if" present
:laughing:
Apparently you\'re selecting some of the information and then twisting it around so you can make it a negative.
Bethesda says they\'ve known since the beginning that to make the game functional without the HD. There are obviously advantages to having one and we\'ll have to see how developers make use of that.
Microsoft said a LONGGGGG time ago not to count on the HD always being there.
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negative?
it\'s reality.
every dev for every xbox game is going to have to say "wait, we can\'t do that cause some jackass with the core version might not have a hard drive. do we put this content in still? how behind on schedule are we?"
there is NO advantage to be seen, microsoft is fucking up badly
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Truth be told, we won\'t know whether they\'ve messed up yet or not. I guess we\'ll have to wait and see. I\'m certainly not taking any stock in your fortune telling.
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then use your common sense
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Originally posted by mm
then use your common sense
My common sense is telling me that you know exactly zero about business, much less the console business. I\'ll wait and see what happens, thanks.
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please do the shut up part at least, we thank you
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mm, you\'re pathetic.:)
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you\'re not shutting up
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Originally posted by mm
you\'re not shutting up
won\'t happen.:)
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:thumb:
Now let\'s move on to happier conversation.
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lol, rikku changed his post
<3
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I didn\'t change my post.
Now you\'re just making stuff up. Pathetic.
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I didn\'t notice any change in your post either.
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Originally posted by mm
negative?
it\'s reality.
every dev for every xbox game is going to have to say "wait, we can\'t do that cause some jackass with the core version might not have a hard drive. do we put this content in still? how behind on schedule are we?"
there is NO advantage to be seen, microsoft is fucking up badly
mm exactly hit the damn nail on the head.
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yeah because mm has worked on no less than 10 commercial titles. he was the producer for 6 of those titles, head technical architect for 3 and the project lead for 1. he knows exactly what he\'s talking about.
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Does that make him or anyone any less qualified to point out the blatant obvious? :rolleyes:
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try 20+ years experience as a gamer and i have what you guys might call "common sense"
if dev\'s can\'t rely on hard drives being there, they won\'t get heavily used. i know, it\'s a hard concept to grasp.
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I like that version better. You were trying to say that not having the HDD was a doomsday thing that would break the platform. It certainly wouldn\'t be as dramatic as developers witholding content because there isn\'t enough memory on the system.
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but they will be crippling innovation that is expected on next gen gaming.
lets say they make a game where textures and levels seamlessly and dynamically change over the course from day to night. would be great, right? well, thats alot of work when a large portion of machines won\'t have the storage space for all that.
granted, the hard drive wasnt very utilized on the xbox, mainly because it was generally a new concept.
again, this is a marketing gimmick by microsoft to force people into buying the 499$ SKU. they take the 399$ SKU, and throw in 10$ in production cost of accessories and "OMGZ! what a great deal!!1 i\'m saving teh moneys!!!1"
people are being scammed and don\'t even realize it, sad
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dude that example is totally stupid. there\'s this thing we call dynamic lighting and we don\'t need to swap textures to make them look right in day/night conditions. if you\'re suggesting a hard drive should be used in that manner, then you\'re taking quite a number of steps BACKWARDS.
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I think you\'re taking his example out of context really. The point is, harddrive would have gave the xbox 360 quite an advantage - which ultimately just flew out the window by offering 2 skus. There\'s no need to find any examples.
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I think you\'re taking his example out of context really.
take something i say and twist it to suit his needs? why thats unpossible!
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Originally posted by mm
but they will be crippling innovation that is expected on next gen gaming.
lets say they make a game where textures and levels seamlessly and dynamically change over the course from day to night. would be great, right? well, thats alot of work when a large portion of machines won\'t have the storage space for all that.
granted, the hard drive wasnt very utilized on the xbox, mainly because it was generally a new concept.
again, this is a marketing gimmick by microsoft to force people into buying the 499$ SKU. they take the 399$ SKU, and throw in 10$ in production cost of accessories and "OMGZ! what a great deal!!1 i\'m saving teh moneys!!!1"
people are being scammed and don\'t even realize it, sad
The good developers will be able to achieve that and more with what they have. There is cacheing on the Xbox 360, and there\'s tons of ram.
There really isn\'t a drawback considering that Microsoft\'s competitors aren\'t offering internal HD\'s. So, yeah, what\'s the problem?
There are two sku\'s - $299 and $399. Anything different is set by the retail chain. Don\'t exaggerate, thanks.
The premium package is a deal considering that the individual components all together would cost you more than the bundle.
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considering they probably cost microsoft 10$ or less to include
(again, you have failed as a consumer)
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yeah, mm knows the costs because he was the head of the factory that was charged with manufacturing the hard drives for the original Xbox. listen to him.
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actually, i use common sense
it\'s called simple marketing.
ever wonder how many "base - no frills" models car manufacturers actually sell?
oooh yeah, you didnt
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Originally posted by mm
considering they probably cost microsoft 10$ or less to include
(again, you have failed as a consumer)
considering they probably cost microsoft $10?
If you don\'t know how much they cost then how can you even present an arguement?
Find some facts then come back, thanks.
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do you do drugs or are just heavily medicated?
they are nothing but plastic and some wire, microsoft buys them by the millions. it\'s not exactly rocket surgery ya know
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Originally posted by mm
do you do drugs or are just heavily medicated?
they are nothing but plastic and some wire, microsoft buys them by the millions. it\'s not exactly rocket surgery ya know
But you don\'t even have a case. You don\'t have any evidence in the form of facts, and that means you don\'t have any clue what the mark-up is. What\'s the precentage of the mark-up? How much is it sold for over costs? Is it outrageously marked up more than similar type goods?
Where in the hell is your arguement?
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lol, you said "case" again
:lmao:
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mm, I normally like you but this is one case where you\'re just spouting hot air. a hard drive is not simply a bit of wire and plastic. and I doubt you\'ve completed any university units on marketing. you should stop trying to act smug because your act is wearing thin.
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act?
oh yeah, i just started playing consoles last week. sorry
units? you mean credits, right?
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c\'mon man, you may be older than most of us, but you can\'t say you know something we don\'t. if you did, you\'d tell us straight instead of dancing around questions and important points.
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in case you haven\'t noticed
i...have...been, and for many years
people (nvidia256) are just selective on what they remember so it suits thier current tantrum
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yeah, but I mean NOW. :p
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oh, i\'m just toying with rikku and nvidia256 now. they don\'t have a chance
shhhhh!
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Cool secret :p
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I think MS were teh smart with the two models. I mean, little Johnny will get the core version for Christmas (because of the cost). Then later when he complains about the shitty system he got, they\'ll have to upgrade - and the HD upgrade alone will be 100 bucks.... cha ching! I suppose they learnt from DELL. ;)
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The HD can\'t be $100.
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^^^^^^
When it\'s from Microsoft it can. :thumb:
But seriously though...it can\'t.
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
The HD can\'t be $100.
But it is. Hell, the 64 mb memory unit is $39.95!
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Originally posted by Samwise
But it is. Hell, the 64 mb memory unit is $39.95!
So the wireless controller, wireless headset, component/ethernet cables and remote control are "free"?
Man, these numbers are horrible.
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
So the wireless controller, wireless headset, component/ethernet cables and remote control are "free"?
Man, these numbers are horrible.
Yeah. And if you get the core system, you\'d have to get the memory unit to be able to save your games. So for $60 more you get the HD, headset, cables etc.
No wonder MS hopes to sell a lot of core systems. :p
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eh business is business
thx isn\'t too concerned
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And Samwise would like to pound THX\' ass.
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Originally posted by Samwise
And Samwise would like to pound THX in the ass.
If you can invite Chizzy along, it\'s a date :bow:
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^^^^^^
Post on GISN damn you! :mad:
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Um... I was surfing IGN for fun and saw some PD:0 images. Ok, I\'ll check it out I thought. Then the horror... I didn\'t know if I was looking at a N64 screenshot or what. Damn, it looks horrible. They have a ton of work to do if they want next gen quality out of that IMO. :sconf:
(didn\'t wanna create a new thread just for this - and yeah, I know it\'s old)
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wtf?
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yeah that looks pretty sad for next gen.
RARE SUCKS!
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Thats fucking ugly.Even Halo2 may look better
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Even Halo2 may look better
...what?
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He said he thinks Halo 2 may look better.
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Let me try again then.Even Halo2 might be better looking :p
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that pic is old, from a very early build.
Besides Many including myself, have very little confidence invested in RARE these days.
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Early build?
How long does it take to polish a roadapple that\'s already too shiny
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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
that pic is old, from a very early build.
IGN doesn\'t seem to like RARE then, because they posted it like 10 days ago.
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that pic was from the time M$ did that stupid MTV gig.
it\'s old hat fellows.
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why would you even release a screenshot like that? It is just embarassing.
Oh and good job on Evi getting bitched, AGAIN.
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Latest info from IGN is that most developers are still using beta dev kits.
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/647/647185p1.html
I think MS is too desperate to launch a year in front of Sony. The more and more I prepare for the Xbox 360 launch the more I start to wonder if it\'s worth bothering.
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not for me it isnt
if it doesnt have HD-DVD, im not buying it like the rest of the suckers, and then make excuses
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I think MS is too desperate to launch a year in front of Sony.
Indeed I wholeheartedly agree. I have made mention of this many times that M$ premature launch is going to suck. Dev\'s have had hardly enough time to justify launching any game. Most launch titles look like ports quickly transferred over to x360 in order to slip into the launch window.
:bow:
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if it doesnt have HD-DVD, im not buying it like the rest of the suckers, and then make excuses
You are a sucker mm, like when the XBOX came out which you said was not worth buying, yet magically like always you ended up with one shortly after launch, and made the excuse that it\'s purchase was one of convenience, (something along the lines that you got it for $100 used) You did the same thing with Kill Bill, bash the living hell out of it, without even seeing the film and then when many criticized you for that, again your imaginary girlfriend draged you to see it, LOL.
wah, wah no HD-dvd = worthless , funny I thought #1 primary reason for purchasing a console was to play games? So XBox360 lacking HD-dvd is going to rune/hamper the gaming experience? All you are doing is cherry picking any issue you can come up with to make the 360 look less attractive. At least I give practical valid reasons for not wanting to purchase the 360.
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Phil I didn\'t know you were that lonely:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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mm buys every console because he is also making a collection.
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Whatever excuse works for him, I just don\'t buy 90% garbage that comes out of his mouth, if you pay attention to his views and comments you soon realize either mm is two different people or he is full of you know what.
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again....nice try nvidia
perhaps if your memory functioned, you\'de recall i bought it used and heavily discounted.
buy next-gen console to play games? i got 20 something other consoles for that. convengence a new word to you? welcome to it, the industry is 10 years ahead of you
are you going to buy a non HD-DVD xbox knowing full well one is coming down the pipe?
:rofl:
done with your latest tantrum?
oh, and kill bill sucked
sorry if you beleived MTV when they told you it was cool
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Kill Bill was so, so, nothing great.
mm that\'s irrelevant whether you got it used with a free blow job. You made a big stink how Xbox sucked as well as it\'s games. Therefore when you pay for the bloody thing it only further illustrates how much a hypocritical pest you are
Also even "if" M$ does indeed release a HD-dvd version, there will be 0 games on the HD-dvd format so who cares. HD-DVD will be nothing but an upgrade for those looking to watch HD movies.
buy next-gen console to play games? i got 20 something other consoles for that
Oh noes!, your right. We buy next gen consoles to play movies, surf the net etc.. and maybe once in a blue moon we might toss a game in there.
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...i\'m speechless by your stupidity
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mm I think it\'s time you took your medication.
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nice withdrawl
like your closet?
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uhm.
I got some seriquel in my cabinet.
Good shit, man..Good shit.
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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
Phil I didn\'t know you were that lonely:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
I already have a date with mm, sorry buddy
psst, mm, still on for saturday? :gay:
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I already have a date with mm, sorry buddy
That\'s ok pal, I swing the other way.
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You\'re gay?
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I already have a date with mm
This is what the general consensus considers to be gay in this society Phil. Its ok I understand you lack the ability to differentiate between heterosexuality and homosexualityïƒ (which clearly you are)
PS. Try to be original instead of copying mm tactic\'s, like you did with the dictionary link. Man you are lame.
:D
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did nvidia256 just tell someone else to be original?
:eek:
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classic!
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no
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Are you still talking Nvidia?
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hay guys whats going on in here?
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Originally posted by Jumpman
hay guys whats going on in here?
Verbal masturbation.
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Originally posted by Phil
Are you still talking Nvidia?
Apparently so, you keep responding.:rolleyes: