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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: THE EYE on September 02, 2005, 03:18:16 PM
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I watched the pictures on TV for 6 days now... ppl are dying in New Orleans and today this bitch of a liar is showing his ugly face in this area. Well not in the "War Zone", but in an area where they put up some medical care and some cleaning was going on and some "very" calm folks speak to him. Those tents where put away after he was leaving... THIS FUCKER !!! What did you idiots vote for in the big, fucking "oh so proud" US ??? Get rid of this cancer. I\'m deeply shocked about the news these days. We, in the "old" europe, will of course help you ! But please, do something about this idiot. I can fully get the point of the Mayor of N.O. Ray Nagin. Sorry folks, but I am very mad ! If YOU don\'t act NOW, then I\'ve lost the last bit of hope for the US folks. Those poor, poor ppl in N.O. and Mississippi and elsewhere. YOU MUST WAKE UP !!! Probably I\'m speaking to the wrong ppl in here. I have learned, that most of the ppl in this forum are very clever, but maybe this is why you can understand what I\'m saying. Sorry again... I wish you - us all - all the best.
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Do us a favour.
Shoot yourself. You\'re an idiot.
Thanks, your\'s truly,
America.
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Thats the longest post of nothingness I\'ve ever seen. Brush up on your english and try it again.
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I agree a lot of shit has been screwed up the past 5 days, but you can\'t really blame the president. The dude can\'t do everything.
FEMA director dude is an idiot. He is so freaking screwed. When you have a reporter asking why it\'s taken so long to get relief to the convention center and he has the balls to say "we didn\'t know people were there." That\'s some fucked up shit.
Reporter asked him why he didn\'t know when they themselves had been reporting it for a day.
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shut the fuck up shut the fuck up
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shut the fuck up shut the fuck up
shut the fuck up shut the fuck up
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The mayor of NO deserves more blame for their situation than Bush does.
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Heh, but he goes on the radio and blasts the feds. That\'s freaking brilliant.
Is 3 days really that long to gather supplies and get shipments to New Orleans?
I mean yes there should have been more of a military presence there faster, but as far as supplies goes, it\'s only been 3 days. It wasn\'t till Tuesday afternoon that the shit started hitting the fan.
THe FEMA dude is a trip though. Tremendous lack of dialogue when they can say with a straight face they didn\'t know people were at the convention center.
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I didn\'t like seeing Bush chuckle and smirk his way through that speech. It seemed VERY insensitive but I guess that is his natural demeanor.
Fema Guy = Baghdad Bob
There are no people at the convention center. Everyone has been fed and evacuated. We have the situation under complete control.
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Having just gotten home from Mobile I see this crap here. These people have lost everything and there are countless volunteers working 18 hour days to save and assist these people. How dare you bring politics into this just because of your personal hatred toward our President who has done nothing wrong. Secondly, Black Sam has it right - if anyone is to blame for the mess in NO it is the mayor. The way disasters work is as follows:
Disaster happens.
Local Government responds.
If they can\'t handle it they request State help.
If the State can\'t handle it they request Federal assistance.
FEMA is only a coordinating body and the President - no matter who they are does not have any direct control over the situation. Where was Bill Clinton for five days after the F5 tornados flattened Oklahoma? Didn\'t hear any fuss then? Neither did I.
You would have damned Bush if he hadn\'t have gone there wouldn\'t you? You would have said something to the effect "He doesn\'t give a shit about the poor..." or some other nonsense. No matter what happens, no matter what he does - he is wrong and it is his fault isn\'t?
I find it deeply disturbing that people such as you have politicized this natural disaster and are making it into yet another "impeach Bush" crusade. The country and especially the people from this region of the country don\'t need to hear this crap from the likes of you.
Yes FEMA quite possibly could have reacted faster, but get your damn facts straight. Katrina was last Sunday evening and the canal didn\'t overflow until Tuesday. The lawlessness that followed only made the evacution more difficult. You can\'t send buses and aid into to a crowd of 30000 people without having some form of law and order. The National Guard does not stage troops in the path of a Cat 4/5 Hurricane. The Gov of LA did not federalize the troops quickly delaying their response even further. Federal troops CAN NOT enter and occupy a state without the request of that state.
I would also like to point out that in Alabama and Mississippi we aren\'t having anywhere near the problems that NO is having. Why? Because it isn\'t a major city. There is a nice picture on Yahoo of hundreds of flooded school buses in NO. Why didn\'t your hero - the mayor of NO - use these buses to evacuate the poor and elderly????? Because he is incompetant. When all is said and done, the mayor of NO and Gov. of LA are going to have to answer some tough questions. He made sure he got out of the city, but didn\'t give a crap about the very people he is crying about now. Just listen to his profanity laced ramblings and you can see he wasn\'t at all prepared for this disaster even though people have been saying this would very well happen for at least the past 50 years. Did Guilliani have a hissy fit on 9/11? No, he handled a bad situation like a statesman.
I am also curious as to what you are implying by "if you don\'t act now"? Are you suggesting overthrowing the government? Do everyone here a favor and join Cindy Sheehan on the "Peace Bus" where you two can discuss your shared belief that GWB has a secret weapon that can control the weather and with a wink from Karl Rove - let loose this disaster on NO. If that was the case, he most surely would have wiped out people like you and for that this country would be a much better place.
EDIT: Just realized this asshole isn\'t even American. Anyway, I don\'t know you and have never seen you before, but you have some fucking nerve posting your shit from AMSTERDAM. You aren\'t even a citizen of this country, let alone IN this country and for you to preach your misinformed bullshit from thousands of miles away really strikes me the wrong way.
I apologize to the rest of you - I haven\'t had much sleep the past 4 days.
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it\'s bush\'s fault that my dog died when i was 9
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Do us a favour.
Shoot yourself. You\'re an idiot.
heh, what the world thinks of america summed up nicely. ;)
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
heh, what the world thinks of america summed up nicely. ;)
You\'re bordering on the troll line, bud.
As for this diaster, I don\'t think we can argue that all around it was a botched rescue, but what we can do, is move forward and try to fix the problems NOW.
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How is Bush even at fault here? I hate all these bandwagoning Bush bashers who use every conceivable problem and link it to a Bush failure. All the President can do is give the order for help. Nothing more. He can\'t fucking arrange every god damn bus and ship to go there.
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At least some start thinking...
I don\'t blame "him" (is he already a godlike person ?), I blame the system he stands for. It\'s a system of ignorance and arrogance ! He is the one who is playing the false game, he stands there with his jacked off and faking helpfulness. THAT\'s what make me sick and angry. Read or watch some more news... even CNN Reporters are pissed off. But read/watch more foreign news also ! We here have an election this month, our chancellor didn\'t do what he has promissed, so we vote a new one. Just do the same, the election was fake anyway.
to Bozco: Can you speak german ?
to mm: I don\'t blame you... you just didn\'t get the point, why I\'m so upset
to Living-In-Clip: I don\'t have the gun for... but I bet every 3rd in N.O. has one...
...all I want is: START THINKING
I once thought, that the US is a beautiful, great and strong nation... well, what comes up, must come down.
It\'s a shame and I am ashamed that I was forced to write this. I realy love this forum and the ppl in here, I was here @ 911 and I was happy to see all are well and helping. I don blame anybody for a natural disaster - how could I - but I blame some folks for what I have to watch on TV for 6 fucking days !
Again: I am sorry...
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The Eye you\'re just so anti-Bush it\'s affecting the way you think.
he stands there with his jacked off and faking helpfulness.
To you dubya is the son of satan, and there\'s NO way he could possibly care than anything other than getting oil for free. Maybe it is possible that he cares for the people that voted him in office.
our chancellor didn\'t do what he has promissed, so we vote a new one. Just do the same, the election was fake anyway.
Oh forget it, you\'re just an anti-government hippie. Nothing can ever appease you. Keep complaining, I promise you\'ll be doing it until the day you die.
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I used to be able to speak german pretty well back in highschool but never had a reason to apply it after. Either way though, I\'m not ranting on in german changing my tune every 2 seconds. First you directly link Bush and the hurricane with us waking up. Now you say you don\'t blame him you blame the system. If you actually posted an arguement it might help.
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Bozco: I\'m glad to hear this... I don\'t have ANYTHING against America. I like much things there and I will visit your great country sometimes.
Am I anti Bush, yes.
Do I blame him for the storm, of course not.
Do I blame him for not doing the right things, yes.
He said: We don\'t want help, we can do it by ourselfs.
He said: I don\'t expect anything from the world, we are on our own.
This is so dumb...
There are many planes and ships here in Germany and the rest of Europe just waiting to get an OK for the trip with food, medicine and stuff, but your government don\'t want them...
Do I care for the folks in N.O., Mississippi etc., yes - oh lord, YES !
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
You would have damned Bush if he hadn\'t have gone there wouldn\'t you? You would have said something to the effect "He doesn\'t give a shit about the poor..." or some other nonsense. No matter what happens, no matter what he does - he is wrong and it is his fault isn\'t?
Why has he done this ? To help ?
You can\'t send buses and aid into to a crowd of 30000 people without having some form of law and order.
If not every 3rd or 4th had a gun, you could.
Did Guilliani have a hissy fit on 9/11? No, he handled a bad situation like a statesman.
A relativ small part of the city was affected by this and there was no war in foreign countrys going on, which costs a ot of $.
If that was the case, he most surely would have wiped out people like you and for that this country would be a much better place.
No comment.
EDIT: Just realized this asshole isn\'t even American. Anyway, I don\'t know you and have never seen you before, but you have some fucking nerve posting your shit from AMSTERDAM. You aren\'t even a citizen of this country, let alone IN this country and for you to preach your misinformed bullshit from thousands of miles away really strikes me the wrong way.
Amsterdam ? YOU are the best sample for the ignorant and arrogant ppl in your country I was talking about. But I don\'t blame you. It\'s what you get, if you grow up in such a "proud" country.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
You\'re bordering on the troll line, bud.
when you insult aussies it\'s a\'ok, when i insult americans its trolling. uh-huh.....
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Originally posted by THE EYE
There are many planes and ships here in Germany and the rest of Europe just waiting to get an OK for the trip with food, medicine and stuff, but your government don\'t want them...
Do I care for the folks in N.O., Mississippi etc., yes - oh lord, YES !
Go ahead and try to help, you\'ll just get overwhlemed and maybe even robbed and/or injured in the process.
Forgive my lack of knowledge on that quote but can you point me to where Bush said we don\'t want help from other nations?
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the eye, i didn\'t get your point because you don\'t have one
here, open an account at http://www.myspace.com and put your anti-america shit there please
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The response to the disaster has been underwhelming from the state and federal government.
Can someone answer why the fuck they sent supplies by ship? Wouldn\'t sending supplies by truck and/or plane be faster?
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FEMA blew it. Bus companies, they blew it. Communications break down in the 21st Century? Christ. And looters shooting at rescuers, they ruined it for a lot of people.
People expect much better when it happens here. This is not Rwanda, this is not the killing fields of Cambodia, this is America. It\'s sad, really.
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I really haven\'t had time to cover all the details so forgive me if I\'m mistaken here.
Didn\'t they declare New Orleans a disaster BEFORE the hurricane hit? Like days before, and it still took days after before there was a proper response. If FEMA dropped the ball then there should have been someone there to pick it up, no excuses.
Then again this whole thing could have been avoided, or at least lessened, if the state and federal government had repaired/constructed proper levees.
This is not the fault of one party, it\'s a glaring example of being unprepared and having some serious priority issues.
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it was a complete disaster, but
it\'s everyones fault, the local govt, FEMA, hell the people that stayed are morons. they knew damn well a hurricane was coming.
but that\'s the way we do things as humans, underestimate everything and expect (demand) help when needed
the govt had a week to prepare. find a couple hundred acres in higher ground. hand out free camping gear and have 100 porta-toilets lined up. bring your own food/beer. problem solved.
wait, black people don\'t camp.
would never work
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It wouldn\'t have worked whether they were black or not. The fact is that if Rikku is so fucking smart then he should be our president, all these fuckheads from other countries and some within our own keep second guessing and bitching, but I don\'t see them running our country or on a flight over here to volunteer their services, so until then shut the fuck up.
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Originally posted by mm
the govt had a week to prepare. find a couple hundred acres in higher ground. hand out free camping gear and have 100 porta-toilets lined up. bring your own food/beer. problem solved.
wait, black people don\'t camp.
would never work
Wait wait wait. Katrina was a Category 1 Hurricane when it hit Florida. No one was sure where it was going.
And, if you don\'t have transportation, you\'re not gonna leave your only shelter when a hurricane is gonna catch you outdoors, would you? Let\'s remember, 145mph winds hit NO. Hell, it was 50mph the day before, even then, they weren\'t gonna leave their shelter. THen there\'s that thought everyone had on their minds : we\'ve had hurricanes this close before and it never hit us in over 30 years.
The Cry Wolf syndrome.
Also, where would you stay once you got to high ground? There\'s no guarantee someone will take you in. Especially if you\'re black and in Mississipi.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
It wouldn\'t have worked whether they were black or not. The fact is that if Rikku is so fucking smart then he should be our president, all these fuckheads from other countries and some within our own keep second guessing and bitching, but I don\'t see them running our country or on a flight over here to volunteer their services, so until then shut the fuck up.
You can\'t deny the facts.
The levee was inadequate to withstand anything stronger than a category 3 hurricane. There are such things as category 4 and 5 hurricanes, and they make their way through the gulf every year. I\'m also not blaming only Bush for this lack of response, that levee has needed attention for a very long time now.
New Orleans was declared a disaster before the hurricane ever hit. Why did it take days AFTER the storm hit until proper responses were sent? Why are there still people stranded and dying?
GmanJoe, what good is a shelter that is under water? I have family that lived in New Orleans. They have a meteoroligist(sp?) friend that told them the hurricane was coming, and to leave. There was no question. They had days to pack up their most valuable possesions from two houses and move into a house in Texas before the storm ever hit.
I believe there was time to get the word out, set up shelters, and get people to safety before the storm. I\'m not pointing the finger at any one person or party. There are too many to blame.
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if you live in a "hurricane prone" area, and have no friends or family to stay with in a safe area and no friends to carpool with, then you have failed at basic citizenship and humanity. please stop breeding.
Chance favors the prepared mind
-Louis Pasteur
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Once again Rikku the government can only do so much for you. It not like they had all this time to prepare either and the levies held, not for long but they held and then when shit hits the fan you still have planning, to go through and coordinating things of such this magnitude don\'t just replicate in an hour it takes time to get things like this done thats why we weren\'t there the next day.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Once again Rikku the government can only do so much for you. It not like they had all this time to prepare either and the levies held, not for long but they held and then when shit hits the fan you still have planning, to go through and coordinating things of such this magnitude don\'t just replicate in an hour it takes time to get things like this done thats why we weren\'t there the next day.
The government is supposed to protect us, that\'s their job.
Here are the facts, in case you passed over them before:
-New Orleans, located in the Gulf of Mexico, is below sea level
-Category 4 and 5 hurricanes have been known to go through the Gulf and on to land
-Levees, that protect New Orleans from flooding, able to withstand up to a category 3 hurricane.
-The levee was in need of repair anyway
Impending disaster. That\'s all there is to it.
This was a problem long overdue, and they weren\'t the least bit prepared on any front. That\'s fucked up.
EDIT: Are you even willing to accept the probability that we were completely unprepared and that the responses have been underwhelming?
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Wait wait wait. Katrina was a Category 1 Hurricane when it hit Florida. No one was sure where it was going.
Also, where would you stay once you got to high ground? There\'s no guarantee someone will take you in. Especially if you\'re black and in Mississipi.
It sat out in the gulf for a couple days and it was at least two days that it was very obvious it was going to build to a 4 or possibly even a 5.
2nd point is valid.
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Who is we? The government or the people? Because obviously thats all you want to blame is the government its been thirty years and your telling me the people of New Orleans gave a rats ass about the levies until, they thought hmm dem der hurricane\'s coming our way, wish we would have made more of a deal about dem der levies!
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Who is we? The government or the people? Because obviously thats all you want to blame is the government its been thirty years and your telling me the people of New Orleans gave a rats ass about the levies until, they thought hmm dem der hurricane\'s coming our way, wish we would have made more of a deal about dem der levies!
For what its worth:The Bush Administration ignored warnings last year that New Orleans\' east bank hurricane levees were left vulnerable as the administration diverted money from an Army Corps of Engineers project to the Iraq War.
When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA. Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained.
But, according to an article in the Philadelphia Daily News: "(A)fter 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the (New Orleans) Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars."
In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.
On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, La., told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president\'s budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that\'s the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can\'t be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."
Also that June, with the 2004 hurricane season starting, the Corps\' project manager Al Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for.
From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune: "The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don\'t get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can\'t stay ahead of the settlement," Naomi said. "The problem that we have isn\'t that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can\'t raise them."
The 2004 hurricane season was the worst in decades. In spite of that, the federal government came back this spring with the steepest reduction in hurricane and flood-control funding for New Orleans in history. Because of the proposed cuts, the Corps office there imposed a hiring freeze. Officials said that money targeted for the SELA project -- $10.4 million, down from $36.5 million -- was not enough to start any new jobs.
There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there.
As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22: "That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi. About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount. But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the needed money, he said."
The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006. But now it\'s too late. One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer: a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach on Monday.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Who is we? The government or the people? Because obviously thats all you want to blame is the government its been thirty years and your telling me the people of New Orleans gave a rats ass about the levies until, they thought hmm dem der hurricane\'s coming our way, wish we would have made more of a deal about dem der levies!
Actually, from what I\'ve been told, the people of New Orleans have wanted the levees repaired for years. The state and federal governments never granted the the funds to do it. I would think, like road maintanence, something like a levee is the state/federal government\'s job.
You know, you could actually learn something by seeking out some truth on the matter. I\'m going to do some research now and hopefully find some more facts about the situation. I\'ll be back and let you know what I find, if anything.
EDIT: Thanks, Black Samurai. Any thoughts mjps?
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Ok if they made such a big deal about it all these years then why wasn\'t it done?
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Everyone thinks the levies are the key to preventing a mess like this. The area is below sea level and right on the coast. Even if you fixed the levies in time for the Hurricane there would still be:
1) Rain with absolutely no where to go, and there was tons of it with Katrina
2) Rivers that overflowed
3) With people evacuating there would definitely still be looting, raping, car jackings, etc...
Look at Florida where ALL homes are required to be made of concrete. How do you expect cheap, thin, delicate dry wall to hold up to 145mph winds and flood waters? Not only that, Ins. companies won\'t cover flooding because it encourages people to keep rebuilding on unstable land.
Bottom line is the city was never fit to be in a Hurricane, with or without levies. If you want to blame someone blame the French for building up below sea level. =0
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god damned french
i knew it
:rpissed:
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Originally posted by mm
god damned french
i knew it
:rpissed:
lol
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Funny crap I\'m glad THX found some info to back me up, cuz I\'m too lazy.
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Well, to be fair, New Orleans was above sea level back around the Colonial times. It\'s just that when the leveed the river, the soil in New Orleans began to slowy sink.
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Originally posted by THX
Everyone thinks the levies are the key to preventing a mess like this. The area is below sea level and right on the coast. Even if you fixed the levies in time for the Hurricane there would still be:
1) Rain with absolutely no where to go, and there was tons of it with Katrina
2) Rivers that overflowed
3) With people evacuating there would definitely still be looting, raping, car jackings, etc...
Look at Florida where ALL homes are required to be made of concrete. How do you expect cheap, thin, delicate dry wall to hold up to 145mph winds and flood waters? Not only that, Ins. companies won\'t cover flooding because it encourages people to keep rebuilding on unstable land.
Bottom line is the city was never fit to be in a Hurricane, with or without levies. If you want to blame someone blame the French for building up below sea level. =0
The French may have settled there, but you can\'t argue they made us stay there or settle further into the valley...
Much of the city is located below sea level between the Mississippi River and Lake Pontchartrain, so the city is surrounded by levees. Until the early 20th century, construction was largely limited to the slightly higher ground along old natural river levees and bayous, since much of the rest of the land was swampy and subject to frequent flooding. This gave the 19th century city the shape of a crescent along a bend of the Mississippi, the origin of the nickname The Crescent City. In the 1910s engineer and inventor A. Baldwin Wood enacted his ambitious plan to drain the city, including large pumps of his own design which are still used. All rain water must be pumped up to the canals which drain into Lake Pontchartrain. Wood\'s pumps and drainage allowed the city to expand greatly in area. However, pumping of groundwater from underneath the city has resulted in subsidence. The subsidence greatly increased the flood risk, should the levees be breached or precipitation be in excess of pumping capacity (as was the case in 2005 in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina). There were many warnings in the late 20th century that a major hurricane or a Mississippi flood could create a lake in the central city as much as 9 m (30 ft) deep, which could take months to pump dry.
>>>Link<<< (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans)
You\'re bottom line is rendered irrelevant because there are people there, and lots of them. It\'s true that New Orleans would have suffered flooding anyway due to the heavy rains, they have before, but it didn\'t have to be to this extent. Two levees, which needed repair and needed to be raised, broke and let water rush into an already flooded area. It made a bad situation worse.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Ok if they made such a big deal about it all these years then why wasn\'t it done?
Priorities. The levees obivously weren\'t at the top of the to-do-list. That I blame on the people for letting the government get away without necessary repairs. See, there\'s plenty of blame to pass around.;)
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Originally posted by Rikku
Priorities. The levees obivously weren\'t at the top of the to-do-list. That I blame on the people for letting the government get away without necessary repairs. See, there\'s plenty of blame to pass around.;)
And what government would that be Rikku? State and local governments are the ones who arrange those projects. People need to understand that the Federal Government is not in charge of local projects - those are controlled by local and state governments.
It is well known that the City of New Orleans is as corrupt as it gets and putting anything under their supervision is a complete waste. The city of New Orleans gets an annual fiscal budget and their city planners decide how it is going to be spent. The priority is then rearranged to suit every politician in the city. This happens everywhere - but it is worse in NO.
BS - where is the link for that slanted story you posted? All federal projects were scaled back in every major city. If NO was so concerned about those levee\'s they should have reallocated the funds or added a 1 cent sales tax for example to complete the "repairs".
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you mean teh george bush doesn\'t dictate what new orleans does with thier budget?
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
And what government would that be Rikku? State and local governments are the ones who arrange those projects. People need to understand that the Federal Government is not in charge of local projects - those are controlled by local and state governments.
It is well known that the City of New Orleans is as corrupt as it gets and putting anything under their supervision is a complete waste. The city of New Orleans gets an annual fiscal budget and their city planners decide how it is going to be spent. The priority is then rearranged to suit every politician in the city. This happens everywhere - but it is worse in NO.
BS - where is the link for that slanted story you posted? All federal projects were scaled back in every major city. If NO was so concerned about those levee\'s they should have reallocated the funds or added a 1 cent sales tax for example to complete the "repairs".
I\'ve cited the state government as a problem several times, thanks. The federal government scaled back funding so I think they\'re at fault too. Feel free to present an arguement though, I\'m all open for getting to the truth of the matter.
I didn\'t post that story, Giga. It\'s in line with many other articles posted on the internet though, feel free to look them up for yourself.
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Originally posted by Rikku
I didn\'t post that story, Giga. It\'s in line with many other articles posted on the internet though, feel free to look them up for yourself.
I said BS as in Black Samauri. Yes I know it is all over leftist blogs... Go figure. Instead of stepping up to the plate and assisting these people - the left in this country would rather play the blame game and politics. What is important here are people\'s lives - not someone\'s political agenda (not referring to you Rikku).
Sorry, but I am too tired and have personally been involved in the relief effort here in AL to continue participating in the Monday morning quarterbacking by certain individuals.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I said BS as in Black Samauri. Yes I know it is all over leftist blogs... Go figure. Instead of stepping up to the plate and assisting these people - the left in this country would rather play the blame game and politics. What is important here are people\'s lives - not someone\'s political agenda (not referring to you Rikku).
I thought you meant bullshit. My mistake.
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Originally posted by Rikku
I thought you meant bullshit...
LOL.:laughing:
That was funny. Somehow I knew you thought that too after Gigashadow said that BS meant Black Samurai...
and I was thinking, hmm...did somebody here thought BS meant something else.
I like humor here and there, its good way to release some stress.
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You know what, it can be summed up like this.
It was the federal\'s fault. It was Fema\'s fault. It was local and state\'s fault. Fact is, there is enough blame to place on everyone. And there will be a time to place the blame, but right now, instead of playin\' the blame game , they need to move forward, get the people out. That should be what everyone, including the media focuses on right now. After and only after, the people are out of there, do we need to start playing the blame game.
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Was about to head to bed and saw this on Drudge - every state has an emergency plan. Here in AL I go to the EMA quite frequently and I know they have people 24 hours a day monitoring things even when nothing is going on. Seeing the following just makes me wonder why they didn\'t follow their own plan?
On the front of Drudge:
Louisiana disaster plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00
\'The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating\'...
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Was about to head to bed and saw this on Drudge - every state has an emergency plan. Here in AL I go to the EMA quite frequently and I know they have people 24 hours a day monitoring things even when nothing is going on. Seeing the following just makes me wonder why they didn\'t follow their own plan?
On the front of Drudge:
Louisiana disaster plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00
\'The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating\'...
I think that has been a big question from the start of this. Why did they not get these people out? They could of had the transportation lined up at the Superdome and anyone who showed up, would be taken out of the city. Sure, it would of not saved everyone, but it would of prevented a lot of what we are see\'ing now.
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Originally posted by mm
here, open an account at http://www.myspace.com and put your anti-america shit there please
I am NOT anti-america !
Just to put that right...
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no, you\'re anti-educated
oh, and something to ponder
Why The Katrina Coverage Made Me Switch To Fox News
The Post Chronicle
Sep 3, 2005
Lee Ellis
Watching both Fox and NBC after President Bush had been inspecting the Gulf Coast and New Orleans, I was shocked at how the nets, and even some newspapers, were trying to blame the Bush Administration for the slowness in which help was reaching the damaged cities. Obviously, Brian Williams and his news team do not know the law, nor do they know the past history of New Orleans--a city built in a bathtub of a swamp. This is a city where the dead, for centuries, have had to be buried in above-ground structures because the water is so close to the surface of this sinking city. If coffins are put in the ground, they will rise to the surface as the underground water pushes them up. I have been to these cemeteries personally to witness this.
For decades, New Orleans has been told that the city is sinking, and that the old levees have to be rebuilt and modernized in order to keep the city from being flooded. Local officials never finished the work, nor have pleas to Congress for additional federal help been heeded. Congress has simply never seen fit to fully complete this effort, whether controlled by Democrats or Republicans.
"Why did it take five days for Bush to help?" is the mantra constantly voiced by all the "Talking Heads" on TV. Here are the reasons:
(1) It is against the law for any President to order troops into a city or across state lines without a request and permission from the Governor of that state.
John Armor, a First Amendment lawyer and one of my favorite writers, told me, "Federal law prevents the President from sending in the National Guard until the Governor gives the order. It is little known, but the Commanding General of the National Guard in every state reports to the Governor, not the President, until the Governor says otherwise. U.S. military units (regular Army, not the Guard) cannot be used because of the Posse Comitatus law, until the Guard has been authorized."
According to some news sources, the Governor of Louisiana, who knew the levees were weak, who knew that the city had been slowly sinking, and who knew that a major # 5 hurricane was approaching her city, did not call Washington for help.
(2) The Mayor of New Orleans did call for evacuation over a loud-speaker, but did nothing to be sure that the police went door-to-door, followed by transportation, to pick up all those who did not have cars or any ability to leave.
There was no other leadership practiced by the mayor there, as had been in New York City during 9/11 by Mayor Giuliani.
(3) The hurricane veered east and saved New Orleans, Brian Williams announced a week ago, and all breathed a sigh of relief...until the levees broke a day or two later allowing the surrounding waters to pour into the city.
(4) It was this predicted levee failure which had been ignored for so long that doomed the local people to be held hostage in their attics or on rooftops, not the storm. It was also the failure of the local bureaucrats and local elected leaders to maintain law and order, and to have pre-arranged for complete evacuations of the city.
It was only after a request went out to the President that troops could be sent in. Can you imagine the anti-Bush media screaming that Bush had invaded Louisiana as he had done in Iraq if he had gone in before being asked? I can just imagine The New York Times headlining, "A Repeat of Shock and Awe by Bush!"
Bill O\'Reilly, on Fox News, was the only commentator I heard who explained this. All the other network commentators seemed too willing to allow the implication inferred by the viewers, that this was all the fault of the Bush Administration.
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mm: "Shut up !"
http://slate.msn.com/id/2087706/
http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/
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uhhh....wtf?
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Eye - neither of those links you provided disputes what mm posted. As others have blatently pointed out here - your hatred for the right has blinded you. Please only post links to relevant information to support your argument about the topic at hand. Your post above makes you look like a lunatic.
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My links refer to this: "Bill O\'Reilly, on Fox News, was the only commentator I heard who explained this. All the other network commentators seemed too willing to allow the implication inferred by the viewers, that this was all the fault of the Bush Administration."
The whole article was written like one of his TV shows.
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you mean it supported bush and you hate that?
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Well what in that article is false? Maybe you should start there if you\'re going to disagree with it, instead of just continuing on your anti-bush tirade.
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Tell me what in the article was "right".
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you tell us what is "wrong" with the original article mr. german anti-bush
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i\'ve been off the radar for a minute and currently my internet is not hooked up at the moment, i\'m at the library so i\'ll give my views on this disaster in various threads with the little time i have here. you can\'t blame bush for this....it was a natural disater and nobody really knew the scope of it when it was all said and done...
All of the police and emergency personnel was wiped out in the aftermath of the hurricane...not to mention that alabama, georgia and other surrounding states had to deal with damages and rescue efforts in their state. it was truly overwheming...
did race play a part in this? maybe...but not a whole lot....when an entire city or state has their police and other rescue personnel wiped out, it\'s gonna take time for reinforcments to come in....6 days later tho? that really is disturbing...it really shouldn\'t have taken them THAT long...
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Originally posted by THE EYE
mm: "Shut up !"
http://slate.msn.com/id/2087706/
http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/
Both of those sites were filled with liberal bullshit that made no sense and was made by 40 year old virgins with big thick glasses and couldn\'t talk to a woman if their lives depended on it.
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Originally posted by clips
when an entire city or state has their police and other rescue personnel wiped out, it\'s gonna take time for reinforcments to come in....6 days later tho? that really is disturbing...it really shouldn\'t have taken them THAT long...
You can drive from New Jersey to Texas in 30 hours, you\'re telling me members of the National Guard couldn\'t have been streaming in by the thousands after no more than 24 hours - even just from southern states?
Bush dropped the ball. They should\'ve come floating down the Missippi with enough military vehicles to remove citizens by the thousands.
Before the end of Day One.
-Dan
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NG were on 3 day call
none of this was bush\'s fault
it\'s been established that he is not allowed to order troops in
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I don\'t get that. Always thought he was the commander-in-chief.
Not only should he have done it, but the nation would have understood.
-Dan
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yeah, but he cant
damn checks and balances
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
You can drive from New Jersey to Texas in 30 hours, you\'re telling me members of the National Guard couldn\'t have been streaming in by the thousands after no more than 24 hours - even just from southern states?
Bush dropped the ball. They should\'ve come floating down the Missippi with enough military vehicles to remove citizens by the thousands.
Before the end of Day One.
-Dan
The Mississippi River is and was blocked at the time with numerous sunken barges. Not to mention 80 percent of the channel markers were destroyed.
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dudes what check and balances i always hear that and blank out
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
I don\'t get that. Always thought he was the commander-in-chief.
Not only should he have done it, but the nation would have understood.
-Dan
Would you just trust them on this, they\'re right.
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Giga makes sense.
But in general, if a "check and balance" means days of people dying and waiting for help, then that\'s hardly an excuse.
Isn\'t red tape fun?
Heaven forbid he take a moment and actually lead, I know.
-Dan
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he can\'t
it\'s a fucked up system, we all know
but he can only do what he\'s allowed
blame the forefathers
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
I don\'t get that. Always thought he was the commander-in-chief.
Not only should he have done it, but the nation would have understood.
-Dan
Those troops would have been down there if it wasn\'t for that law that won\'t allow him to.
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Lovely how democrats love to push shit and propaganda when it comes to tragedies like this to use it for their own benefits.
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
Isn\'t red tape fun?
Heaven forbid he take a moment and actually lead, I know.
-Dan
He can\'t just choose when he listens to laws and when he doesn\'t.
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I really have a problem with this.
Not only can he, but he should have when it meant rescuing people from that hurricane and the flooding.
I know he didn\'t, and I know why the administration will say he didn\'t, but he damn well should have.
He could have saved lives and I\'m going to sit here and go "gee, but that\'s against the law!"
I\'m not just upset with the federal response though. The fact that the local government didn\'t prepare for a storm like that, a likely storm, is ridiculous!!
We won\'t build a house around here without making sure it can withstand the "100 year storm" or greatest storm from the last hundred years.
Sitting in front of a hurricane valley and only building levees to handle level 4 storms is so irresponsible its disgusting. Only thing I can think of is they maybe didn\'t have the funds, but coming up with the money probably seems like it would have been a worthwhile investment.
So it sucks that the local government wasn\'t looking out for its citizens for years prior to now and it sucks that the federal government couldnt be bothered to "break the law" to rescue its victims last week.
I don\'t think I can be swayed on this one..
-Dan
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Wow, I guess I should just give up on you, you don\'t listen.
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I listened. I just disagree. There\'s a difference.
-Dan
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And what we\'ve said is their is nothing to disagree about, he can\'t just up and do that. It\'s not like he has the power to listen or not to the law, he just couldn\'t do it.
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yeah, gotta respect Eik for that
i see the whole ordeal as just a disaster.
all local and state support was destroyed in the hurricane.
the NG was on 3 day alert status.
the president cannot order troops into the city.
it was a clusterfuck but not one person\'s fault
now, if you want to break it down in to individual matters...
the levee\'s only being capable of withstanding roughly a cat 3 hurricane was negligent. anyone with the least amount of common sense should have realized that cat 4 and cat 5 hurricanes exist and could have plowed into that area.
cramming 10k+ people into the superdome with no utilties, no supplies, and no preperation. whoever decided this needs to be fired. it\'s not a sleepover, those people are going to be there a while
an evacuation plan for the city should have been created decades ago, and well planned out. it\'s along the gulf and below sea level, hello?
teach self-actualization and a basic knowledge of preservation in people down there. i read today that locals down there still refuse to leaev thier flooded houses cause they fear looters...wtf? a few people died from the beginning stages of cholera in the last day or so. that will spread like wildfire in still water, and poor hygenic conditions.
get the fuck out of that city, noone wants your waterlogged shit
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Originally posted by mm
yeah, gotta respect Eik for that
i see the whole ordeal as just a disaster.
all local and state support was destroyed in the hurricane.
the NG was on 3 day alert status.
the president cannot order troops into the city.
it was a clusterfuck but not one person\'s fault
now, if you want to break it down in to individual matters...
the levee\'s only being capable of withstanding roughly a cat 3 hurricane was negligent. anyone with the least amount of common sense should have realized that cat 4 and cat 5 hurricanes exist and could have plowed into that area.
cramming 10k+ people into the superdome with no utilties, no supplies, and no preperation. whoever decided this needs to be fired. it\'s not a sleepover, those people are going to be there a while
an evacuation plan for the city should have been created decades ago, and well planned out. it\'s along the gulf and below sea level, hello?
teach self-actualization and a basic knowledge of preservation in people down there. i read today that locals down there still refuse to leaev thier flooded houses cause they fear looters...wtf? a few people died from the beginning stages of cholera in the last day or so. that will spread like wildfire in still water, and poor hygenic conditions.
get the fuck out of that city, noone wants your waterlogged shit
:eek:
I agree.
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yep mm summed it up pretty much....as everybody should know by now, i like to look at all sides of the story, and even tho it pains me to say this, but those stories of people shooting at those people bringin\' in supplies really is disturbing..what the hell is wrong with those people? Yes i know that those people most likely are of african american desent :(....let\'s be honest...the only way these people could\'ve been white is only if they were part of some militia group, which is highly unlikely...
even tho it\'s only a few that\'s doin this, i know that white people wouldn\'t have fired on the emergency personnel like that....even if they were left for 6 days like that...people can say they were mad or whatever, but i\'ll tell you this, if i would\'ve gotten fired on i wouldn\'t have went back....well maybe i would have, but not immediately....those people that really need the supplies are right in the mix with those assholes that are shooting at the help...sad really...
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At least we can all agree on one thing and that it was not just one persons fault. It was a let down on both sides , local and federal. There is no way to save everyone, but a lot of people could of been saved. The problem is, both sides let the people of N.O down.
If anything, I think this shows us just how fucked our system really is. When our own President, the man leading the nation, can not use his power to save people, due to some silly laws - then what good is he really? And if we can\'t trust the federal, can we trust the state? Obviously not. Because if we could trust them, then a diaster plan would of been put into action that actually worked.
At this point in time, I\'m neither democratic or republican. Why? Because none of that matters. What am I? I\'m an American disgusted with our system and the way it handles life changing events.
Now what do we do? We have an estimated four hundred thousand jobs lost. More homeless people than we know what to do with and untelling how many dead people. What does the goverment do now?
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400,000 jobs lost? well....there is a city and its roads that need rebuilding.....
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Originally posted by Phil
400,000 jobs lost? well....there is a city and its roads that need rebuilding.....
you really are thee shining ball of light at the end of the tunnel aren\'t you Phil? ;)
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It\'ll give them something to do won\'t it?
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Originally posted by Phil
It\'ll give them something to do won\'t it?
tru enough..but i was just being sarcastic when i said that...:)
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I know, just wanted to reinforce the fact I wasn\'t.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
At least we can all agree on one thing and that it was not just one persons fault. It was a let down on both sides , local and federal.
I would add one more to that list: the public. From staying in the area, to looting, to shooting at rescue workers... this further led to the mess that\'s there now.
Something to chew on:
http://tiadaily.com/php-bin/news/showArticle.php?id=1026
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Originally posted by THX
I would add one more to that list: the public. From staying in the area, to looting, to shooting at rescue workers... this further led to the mess that\'s there now.
Something to chew on:
http://tiadaily.com/php-bin/news/showArticle.php?id=1026
Agree\'d. The public also let us down, but at the same time, it\'s the goverments job to step up and take care of those idiots, isn\' it?
;)
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darwinism wil sort them out
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Yeah, but now they get 2 grand. Woohoo!!!!!!!
You think any of them will use it to find a place and get a job?
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Originally posted by mm
darwinism wil sort them out
Civilization killed Darwinism.
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Originally posted by Phil
It\'ll give them something to do won\'t it?
Atleast until the city is rebuilt.
I finished reading that article that THX posted. I thought it was well written and did give me a perspective of what is going on in N.O.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
dudes what check and balances i always hear that and blank out
Someone answer the man...
Checks and balances is a mechanism through which the three branches of the US government prevent each other from abusing its powers. For example, the President can veto, Congress can impeach, and the Supreme Court can declare laws unconstitutional.
What they are talking about here more resembles Federalism, a concept that mandates power to be shared between the state and federal governments.
Hope that clears it up.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Yeah, but now they get 2 grand. Woohoo!!!!!!!
You think any of them will use it to find a place and get a job?
From what I\'ve been hearing, yes, many of them are searching for jobs. I heard on NPR today that programs are being set up to coordinate the right people to the right businesses, for example by organizing their resumes.
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You can damn well bet I would have been able to tkae care of myself.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
At least we can all agree on one thing and that it was not just one persons fault. It was a let down on both sides , local and federal. There is no way to save everyone, but a lot of people could of been saved. The problem is, both sides let the people of N.O down.
If anything, I think this shows us just how fucked our system really is. When our own President, the man leading the nation, can not use his power to save people, due to some silly laws - then what good is he really? And if we can\'t trust the federal, can we trust the state? Obviously not. Because if we could trust them, then a diaster plan would of been put into action that actually worked.
At this point in time, I\'m neither democratic or republican. Why? Because none of that matters. What am I? I\'m an American disgusted with our system and the way it handles life changing events.
Now what do we do? We have an estimated four hundred thousand jobs lost. More homeless people than we know what to do with and untelling how many dead people. What does the goverment do now?
Well spoken ! I can agree on that.
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
You can damn well bet I would have been able to tkae care of myself.
THis is why Darwinism reigns supreme.
There are only two reasons to die from this storm.
You are in bad health already, or you are one stupid mother fucker.
People getting trapped in their attics? This family tree needs to be cut.
Water\'s wcoming, water\'s coming!!! Let\'s go into this room where we have no way out. Forget going out the window and climbing onto the roof. It will be much better climbing into our dark attic where no one will be able to see us. THen we can hang out in the dark where everyone knows how refreshing it is on a nice summer day in the south.
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At least there is still some good fishin\'.
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Now that\'s funny.
-Dan
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Funny, almost too funny
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ARRRGGGHHH HOMEYS!!
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vid already posted the good one.. here\'s all I could find
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[kopkin mode] Tht funy JBen[/kopking mofe]
Dude in CHizzy\'s pic has the freaking shovel backwards. I guess I\'ve never seen a black guy in a kayak now that I think about it.
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Originally posted by JBean
vid already posted the good one.. here\'s all I could find
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:lmao: :rofl: BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Man, that\'s freakin\' hilarious. At the risk of sounding like an idiot, I have to ask; was he photoshopped in or is he really brandishing the guitar around?
EDIT: On closer inspection, yeah, that was definitely photoshopped.
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But because you acutally bought it - that it is actually a believable scenario - is why it\'s funny.
heh heh heh heh
-Dan
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there are some very cruel, yet very very funny bastards out there with proper photochopping skills, that\'s all I can say
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bahahaha, more.. post more! (plz) :D
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for sammy
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crap... it\'s hasselhoff saving some people in the floods.. but it won\'t work argh :mad:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pickwicklet/41672080/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/50971751@N00/41748744/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dannyman/41757454/ the text at the bottom is kinda funny if you read it out of context ;)
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The last one makes me... :D