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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: FatalXception on September 14, 2005, 10:41:45 AM
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So when the 360 announcements came out last month, amazon.com briefly put the PS3 up with a price. The current link (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0009VXAM0/ref=ord_cart_shr/002-9052224-8800862?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance). Although the current link now reads unavailable, leave email for info... perhaps the PS3 is not going to be the massive wallet-buster that Sony has been hinting at for a while. If sony could make back a loss through peripheral sales and dominate the market by low-balling this system, perhaps they are considering this price...
PS - Although this is old news (mid August), I didn\'t see anything about it in the forum, so I thought I would mention it.
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Amazon might have set up a template page and posted it by accident. I doubt Sony gives Amazon advance prices just for fun.
-Dan
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What was interesting is that they put the price up on the SAME day as the XBOX release price and date anouncements were made... So at the time, there was speculation that Sony might be moving to take a way some of their thunder.
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Cell + RSX + blu-ray + 512 mb of total Ram at 299$ ???
or...Sony are thinking to release an underpowered console 6-10 months later than XBox 360 ??? ...just to be destroyed ??
As of September 27th, the following companies have been given official status as PlayStation 3 tools and middleware licensees, according to SCE:
Alias Systems Corp.
Autodesk Inc.
Avid Technology Inc.
CRI Middleware Co., Ltd.
Emergent Game Technologies Inc. (merged with Numerical Design, Ltd.)
Epic Games Inc.
Firelight Technologies Pty Ltd.
Havok (Telekinesys Research Ltd.)
Interactive Data Visualization Inc.
Metrowerks Games Team
Pixelux Entertainment Inc.
RAD Game Tools Inc.
Silicon Studio Corp.
Web Technology Corp.
...and final hardware is going to be released soon...
PS3 won\'t cost less than 399$...
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I wonder how much PS3 software developing costs would compare to X360\'s taking into consideration Middlware and OpenGL available tools provided for PS3 and the Middleware and Xenon tools provided for XBOX360
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Cell + RSX + blu-ray + 512 mb of total Ram at 299$ ???
I dont see the big deal over it. Cell and Blu-Ray are both planned to become mass-market hardware type thing. What if sony loose 100$ per Cell next year, but put cell into their next Blu-Ray-DVD player and sell them higher then they should to refill they bank ?
The only component they have no power over is the RSX and they most likely have longtherm contract .
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i swear noone reads my posts
:rolleyes:
http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37117&perpage=20&highlight=ps3&pagenumber=2
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Originally posted by Nolaws
I dont see the big deal over it. Cell and Blu-Ray are both planned to become mass-market hardware type thing. What if sony loose 100$ per Cell next year, but put cell into their next Blu-Ray-DVD player and sell them higher then they should to refill they bank ?
The only component they have no power over is the RSX and they most likely have longtherm contract .
Well it is a very low launch price still.If they can cover it up in the long term that is a different issue and not a certain one and usually its wise to overestimate future possible losses and underestimate possible profits and present actions should reflect that future possibility.
Planning for such a low price before the console is even released is something unexpected, and highly risky since there is an uncertainty of how well things will go in the future.
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MARK MY WORDS
The PS3 will not cost anymore than $149.
And you can quote me on that come launch day.
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I agree, and it will come with a pack-in bridge/piece of real estate.
-Dan
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I am ignorant.
The PS3 will be less than $500 at launch.
Do you guys see what I did there?
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how much less? :p
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The PS3 will be at least a buck per console. Thats how sony will get the big bucks.
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no.Even better.Hand them over for free
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If the console is only 300, I\'m gonna buy a couple extra and sell them on ebay and see if I can make a profit :evil:
My suitemate and I had a debate a couple days ago. He said PS3 has no chance against Xbox 360. I then countered him with the 3 consoles that Microsoft will release and if he wants the good one, he\'ll be paying what PS3 most likely will cost and PS3 has more features in it. Shwing :)
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People wont be buying it just for its extra features for long though.
I ve heard a few comments here and there that development cost could be higher on the PS3.Also if the console is extremely
expensive to manufacture but sold at $350 this will equal less profit per game sold for the developers if Sony cares more about covering their loss per hardware sold, or a bigger loss for Sony if Sony cares more about retaining good relations with the developers.
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Seeing XBOX360 selling for $400 in America with HDD and all the other accessories, but no Blu Ray or HD-DVD. I say PS3 might be selling at least $400 with Blu Ray. Even if PS3 is selling for $500, its still a steal for many early adopters.
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It was either a template page or simply a guess on Amazon\'s part. Nothing more. Think of it like those release dates places like Amazon post.
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wow I understand what paul2 said and I agree.
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PS3 for $500 would be a steal?
Try highway robbery.
-Dan
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well, i bet you that stand a lone blu ray players are going to cost more than $500 when it comes out. So, it still be cheap if PS3 is selling for $500.
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I really can\'t imagine $500 + accessories for the PS3. That\'s alot of chips for the average game player and hardcore early adopters.
Let\'s say $400 for a base PS3, and then an optional module to unlock blu-ray disc playability, a la xbox.
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Originally posted by Paul2
well, i bet you that stand a lone blu ray players are going to cost more than $500 when it comes out. So, it still be cheap if PS3 is selling for $500.
The probelm although the price is logical and considerably cheap for a piece of hardware that has Cell and BR and can do more than just play movies, people will be buying the PS3 for the same things they would have bought an XBOX360.
BR and its benefits will be non-existent in the eyes of the consumer when they will go buy the console at $500 at launch.That until movies are available broadly.Only then the existence of BR will be reckognised.But until then the benefits they will see and get from the console will value less than the $500 they will pay.
Oh well.Blame the capital system.
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Hmm...something strange is going on today with us all. Even your English seem to have some mispelling too.
Well, the fact that PS3 support Blu Ray will make its goes popular faster and winning the format competition against HD-DVD.
In my opinion, blu ray on ps3 will make people more eager to buy blu ray movies when they get blu ray. As soon as ps3 reaching millions and millions of buyer, you sure would be most of them will support Blu Ray movies and would at least buy one.
Even if movie aren\'t broadly available at first, but so are videogames launch titles. They come in small numbers, but will gradually increase over time. And that didn\'t stop ealry adopters from buying videogame consoles.
think of it this way, PS3 alone will cost $300, with $100 to $200 buck more, you can get a Blu Ray add-on. Also, videogames can use Blu Ray extra storage for CG FMV.
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The point is at launch the consumer will pay more for less benefits.
This part you mentioned: As soon as ps3 reaching millions and millions of buyer, you sure would be most of them will support Blu Ray movies and would at least buy one.
is whats going to happen later.This has to do with later adopters that will pay less for full benefits.Not early adopters.The early adopters are paying more for getting the benefits of next gen sooner but not for BR movies.The BR benefits will be reckognised by early adopters when movies will be available.
We arent saying anything different.
My point is that launch sales are extremely important and although the benefits would be reckognisable in the future, as long as they wont reckognise them during launch to the same extend as the future, people will feel more like they are paying more for less.
Early adopters arent necessarilly hardore gamers that will pay anything to get one at launch.Many of them are casual gamers that wont reckognise the benefits of BR over DVD at launch.
Notice:I said wont reckognise at launch.
You said:
And that didn\'t stop ealry adopters from buying videogame consoles.
But the point is that these early adopters should be as many as possible during launch.The casual gamer will pull back at a $500 price tag.$500 to get only the benefits of launch games means: pay more enjoy less potential NOW than the potential the console will offer in the future.
Why pay more at launch to get the same benefits as a less expensive XBOX360 at launch?Many will think like that because BR benefits are not yet apparent.
Early adopters will still exist but they will be fewer.Many will wait after launch until they can pay less for full benefits.
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You just KNOW they will include Final Fantasy VII - Advent Children on Blue Ray High Def disk.... 1 million sales, right there, even if it is $500 bucks.
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If that\'s at launch I am sold :p
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Originally posted by THX
Let\'s say $400 for a base PS3, and then an optional module to unlock blu-ray disc playability, a la xbox.
pay extra to play blueray. Uhh that would sure piss MM off.
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enough for me not to buy one, yeah
hell, my xbox still can\'t play dvd movies
(not like i ever needed it to)
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Originally posted by QuDDus
pay extra to play blueray. Uhh that would sure piss MM off.
I hope that wont be tha case
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I wouldn\'t think you\'d have to pay extra for blueray because the games are on blue ray, are they not?
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That and one big point of PS3 is to promote Blueray and be another platform that isn\'t HD-DVD.
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Avatarr:good point.It would have been a bad strategy if they forced you to pay extra for BR since one of PS3\'s purposes in the market is to do just that.
Titan: Well that would have been irrelevant if that was the case.The availability of XBOX games on DVD didnt stop MS from forcing you to pay a few extra bucks to play DVD movies.
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They\'re probably going to think long term.. . I\'m sure Sony is smart enough to do that.
What\'s the margin on DVDs these days? 6-12 dollars a the producer side of the market? I\'m sure that Sony knows they\'ll make much more money if they end up dominating the HD movie market in 5 years than they will ever make purely on profit from the PS3. As such, it makes sense for them to take the hit now, take the risk, dominate the future market for movies.