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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Riku on September 18, 2005, 01:29:01 PM
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Heh, this is going on in alot of other forums so I thought I\'d bring it in here to see what happens.
I\'m not sure if that GoW pic is an in-game or a cut-scene pic.
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv95%2FConfidence-Man%2Fmgs4gow_1.jpg&hash=17ca27ab0d30a46982ed382643c8fbc372b50b1d)
Aside from the obvious difference in artistic style I\'d say they\'re on par with each other, just judging from these pics alone though.
Mind you these are shots taken from games in development, they\'re only going to get better.
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Gears of War is just nuts, but there is a lot more going on in the MGS4 trailer it seems. I haven\'t had the chance to watch the high quality trailer so I can\'t form an opinion yet.
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I found a pic that shows GoW in the day light. It\'s really blurry but it shows the detail in the same light as Snake...
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi6.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy249%2FLiveGamer%2Fgearsofwar_g4tv-avi020.jpg&hash=3e3092340c371c76db93b68f6e9a3857df8235a1)
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I think snake is made out of more polygons.The GOW character I think is using a technique that was also in Far Cry.The developer can use less poylgons to get a similar result to a higher polygon model and that frees a lot of CPU.
I forgot whats it called.
That though takes away from the realism since geometry doesnt look the same as in a higher polygon model.
For that reason snakes facial characteristics look more realistic.There seems to be a lot emphasis on the body\'s/face muscles and facial expressions.
On the other hand the GOW pic shows a richer ballete of colors and higher emphasis on lighting effects, textures and normal mapping.
The MGS4 character has a more natural feeling while the GOW character while richer in textures and normal mapping looks lifeless.
Ofcourse its stupid to judge still images because MGS4\'s real jaw dropping characteristics are more noticable in motion.
Watching the two of them in motion is a different story.You can even see Snake\'s tongue when he switches his scope on.Even his teeth are seperately rendered and the hair are more detailed.Also not the best images to compare physics and other effects.There are other effects that dont exist in GOW.GOW\'s main characteristics are basically textural/normal mapping, resolution and lighting effect improvements.
But both are impressive in their own right.
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For graphics I bet MGS4 will have better character motions with humans looking more life-like while GoW will excel in physics and in boasting tons of stuff moving on screen.
Going off on a gameplay tangent.. GoW looks more like a game I\'d play. I loved MGS 1 but you gotta admit there\'s so many Japanese quirks in the series that make it just silly at times.
I\'m betting MGS4 will have some unneeded melodrama and uber-fun radio convos while GoW will just be mindless shoosting with weapons that are impossibly big to carry.
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why did they make snake a grampa! whaa!
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I agree with THX after Metal Gear Solid 1, the storyline started to get a little overly done. I never played MGS3 before, but I enjoy playing MGS-2, but the storyline just gotten weirder and weirder that I find its too complicated and I wasn\'t really enjoy the story as much as I do with MGS1.
Like *spoiler* the hand of liquid snake is attached to Ocelot and yup, Liquid still manage to control Ocelot with his hand. Come on, its just a hand. And Raiden\'s blood is being replaced with artificial blood...weird...the patriots is dead like 200 years or something like that, but yeap, they somehow manage to communicate with Raiden....story like this makes you believe that Hideo Kojima is exaggerating a little too much as if he think he can come up with anything and add lame excuses to the story and thought it would make sense. Blah.
Added: Now, MGS4, we are shown with Solid Snake as an old man, i wonder what kind of story or reasons for his old age will Hideo Kojima going to make out of it this time...
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C\'mon, Riku, what\'s up with this ?
You KNOW that, on other forums they use these two screenshots as PS3 vs Xbox360. It\'s just another means of practicing console wars.
Anyway, the scenes in those pics depict totally different circumstances ; very hard to make any fair comparison.
Also, I know how Gow is made to some extent....
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Originally posted by Paul2
I agree with THX after Metal Gear Solid 1, the storyline started to get a little overly done. I never played MGS3 before, but I enjoy playing MGS-2, but the storyline just gotten weirder and weirder that I find its too complicated and I wasn\'t really enjoy the story as much as I do with MGS1.
Like *spoiler* the hand of liquid snake is attached to Ocelot and yup, Liquid still manage to control Ocelot with his hand. Come on, its just a hand. And Raiden\'s blood is being replaced with artificial blood...weird...the patriots is dead like 200 years or something like that, but yeap, they somehow manage to communicate with Raiden....story like this makes you believe that Hideo Kojima is exaggerating a little too much as if he think he can come up with anything and add lame excuses to the story and thought it would make sense. Blah.
Added: Now, MGS4, we are shown with Solid Snake as an old man, i wonder what kind of story or reasons for his old age will Hideo Kojima going to make out of it this time...
It\'s just a hand, that has billions of nano-machines inside of it, containing obviously too much data and instructions. Though, I don\'t recall them ever explaining it properly.
The patriots being dead for 200 years was obviously an oo-aah plot twist to keep people guessing until it is explained in the sequals.
Go play MGS3 before you bitch and moan, the story is greatly simplified for people like you.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
I think snake is made out of more polygons.The GOW character I think is using a technique that was also in Far Cry.The developer can use less poylgons to get a similar result to a higher polygon model and that frees a lot of CPU.
I forgot whats it called.
Source? Unless you\'re just assuming.
From what I read, they\'re pushing ridiculous amounts of polygons for GoW. Obviously using the logic of "We are American, big muscles, big poygons yea baby!" No tricks needed, this isn\'t the first Xbox. They did that for Doom 3.
:p
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Originally posted by Paul2
I agree with THX after Metal Gear Solid 1, the storyline started to get a little overly done. I never played MGS3 before, but I enjoy playing MGS-2, but the storyline just gotten weirder and weirder that I find its too complicated and I wasn\'t really enjoy the story as much as I do with MGS1.
Like *spoiler* the hand of liquid snake is attached to Ocelot and yup, Liquid still manage to control Ocelot with his hand. Come on, its just a hand. And Raiden\'s blood is being replaced with artificial blood...weird...the patriots is dead like 200 years or something like that, but yeap, they somehow manage to communicate with Raiden....story like this makes you believe that Hideo Kojima is exaggerating a little too much as if he think he can come up with anything and add lame excuses to the story and thought it would make sense. Blah.
Added: Now, MGS4, we are shown with Solid Snake as an old man, i wonder what kind of story or reasons for his old age will Hideo Kojima going to make out of it this time...
The thing with Ocelots hand isn\'t supposed to make sense. Its just a game. You think too much into it. A lot of stuff in MGS is hard to believe too. The thing about Raiden\'s blood is that this story takes place 10-15 years from now (I think MGS took place around 2005 or something) so artificial blood may be a possibility by then. The patriots never communicate with Raiden. The patriots are supposed to be a huge mystery. They never have communicated with anyone, just people that supposedly run the country but died long ago. I think more will be released in MGS4.
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Hey guys.
"After Kojima finished off his technical demonstration, Kojima explained why he decided to age his characters. "Old characters are better because their wrinkles can be used to show the rendering capabilities of the PS3," he said. "Young characters have silky skin, so it\'s not as challenging."
Wow, what a faggot.
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Originally posted by Knotter8
C\'mon, Riku, what\'s up with this ?
You KNOW that, on other forums they use these two screenshots as PS3 vs Xbox360. It\'s just another means of practicing console wars.
I explained myself already, "Heh, this is going on in alot of other forums so I thought I\'d bring it in here to see what happens." It\'s just for fun.
Anyway, the scenes in those pics depict totally different circumstances ; very hard to make any fair comparison.
Agrees. Like I said, I don\'t know if the GoW pic is in-game or cinematic cut-scene, there would no doubt be a difference between the two models.
One thing though, they are both impressive.
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What if Kojima is bullshitting us? He\'s done it before in MGS2 with us thinking that you play as Snake and MGS3 thinking you play as Solid Snake then complete mystery. What if he\'s making us think that we will play as old snake but when its released, its completely different?
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
Source? Unless you\'re just assuming.
From what I read, they\'re pushing ridiculous amounts of polygons for GoW. Obviously using the logic of "We are American, big muscles, big poygons yea baby!" No tricks needed, this isn\'t the first Xbox. They did that for Doom 3.
:p
The GOW character I think is using a technique that was also in Far Cry.The developer can use less poylgons to get a similar result to a higher polygon model and that frees a lot of CPU. : doesnt necessarilly imply low polygon models
Also the word: Think
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It doesn\'t.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Go play MGS3 before you bitch and moan, the story is greatly simplified for people like you.
I see. I might sometimes in the future.
Originally posted by Titan
The thing with Ocelots hand isn\'t supposed to make sense. Its just a game. You think too much into it. A lot of stuff in MGS is hard to believe too. The thing about Raiden\'s blood is that this story takes place 10-15 years from now (I think MGS took place around 2005 or something) so artificial blood may be a possibility by then. The patriots never communicate with Raiden. The patriots are supposed to be a huge mystery. They never have communicated with anyone, just people that supposedly run the country but died long ago. I think more will be released in MGS4.
Heh. If the story isn\'t suppose to make sense, then I guess they should make the story flow less strictly to reality too...like not follow everything like how reality is.
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
It doesn\'t.
Thats what I said.Whats your point?
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You said you think it does, I\'m saying it doesn\'t.
wtf man
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I didnt imply that I think the game uses low polygon models
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man this is going nowhere
hi5\'s xoxo hugs and kisses
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You started it.Its your fault
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nuh uh
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ahum
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Stop it bishes.
Originally posted by Titan
What if Kojima is bullshitting us?
That\'s what I\'ve been thinking as well. I won\'t take anything for granted at this point. For all we know Snake is old just in this trailer-thingy, and not in the final game.
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Kojima is always bullshitting us. Raiden was the worst surprise of all time. :mad:
Wow, what a faggot.
If that was his explanation, than I agree. But it ties into the plot because this game takes place in the future with the quote from the trailer that said something like "X Years After Big Shell".
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http://screenshots.teamxbox.com/screen-hires/42485/Gears-of-War/
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that pic you posted looks more like a pre-rendered.
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720p screenshot
That\'s why it\'s so damn clear.
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Originally posted by Paul2
that pic you posted looks more like a pre-rendered.
No it doesn\'t.
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
720p screenshot
That\'s why it\'s so damn clear.
the resolution its actually higher than 720p. right click on the image and go to property and it will tell you the resolution of the image which is 2400 x 1467. Divide them together and you will get its aspect ratio of about 1.64:1 while Xbox High Def is 1280 x 720p and the aspect ratio is 1.78:1 to fit the size of 16:9 widescreen tv.
Originally posted by EviscerationX
No it doesn\'t.
Hmm...my first impression is that it looks like a pre-rendered. But its possible that it could be in-game. If its ingame, they output the pic in 2400 x 1467 resolution for screen capture...because most hdtv don\'t have a resolution higher than 1920 x 1080p...and the aspect ratio is off too.
That led me to believe its possible pre-rendered/CG...
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As a comparison, you can see this pic from that same website looks more ingame.
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.teamxbox.com%2Fgames%2Fss%2F1167%2Ffull-res%2F1123195077.jpg&hash=45fd3e8a394903ba49a7f129d8859f27c0c4351f)
the resolution is in 1280 x 720 and you can notice a slight jaggies on the statue arm. There are certain area where the texture looks a bit flat. But again, the game is stil early in development. Graphic for next generation console evolve so much that its quite hard to tell a different between ingame real time and CG. But I do believe we will see graphic that will looks just as good as CG for XBOX360 and PS3. Its just a matter of time.
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You do know that this game is in development and I gave you a new screenshot from TGS right?
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pic in question
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg359.imageshack.us%2Fimg359%2F1016%2Fgow1xm.jpg&hash=f5967e373c0fcf78dc76b8fe3c9d974728f82127)
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I don\'t know if the screen comes from TGS or not. But its posted today on their website...
But...I just check all the pics posted on September 19, 2005 and guess what. Some pics have a resolution of 2400 x 1467, while a pic have 1600 x 900 and another different resolution than 1280 x 720p.
Its possible that it could be ingame, but they make the image cleaner for capture and possibly added AA to reduce jaggies and output a resolution higher than 720p. Like how some games pictures were capture off the ps2. 800 x 600 or higher with little to no jaggies for still images. But when you play it back on ps2, its actually running on 640 x 480 with some noticeable jaggies.
There is nothing wrong with making the real-time images cleaner for capturing them. Like removing the jaggies, if anything, it will make the picture look good without the jaggies and better detail so we can see the quality of the graphic.
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
pic in question
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg359.imageshack.us%2Fimg359%2F1016%2Fgow1xm.jpg&hash=f5967e373c0fcf78dc76b8fe3c9d974728f82127)
LOL Soul Reaver. i didn\'t know you that well before, but now...i realize you are quite a tricky person.
Did you save that pic and edit it in adobe photoshop or something and resize it to 1280 x 720? BTW, its not even 1280 x 720...thank goodness you didn\'t change its aspect ratio to 720p...because i check the property and its said 1280 x 782...which is the same aspect ratio of the previous pic of ~ 1.64:1.
thanks for hosting the pic anyway.
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umm no
I know the difference from 1280x720 and 1280x782, if I were going to trick people, I wouldn\'t mess up this bad.
Imageshack doesn\'t let me upload pictures over 1mb and rescaled it.
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More screenshots.
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg390.imageshack.us%2Fimg390%2F3848%2Fgow24uv.jpg&hash=1f00924443fee37fde1d386d19bf39dfd180ace5)
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
Imageshack doesn\'t let me upload pictures over 1mb and rescaled it.
:rolleyes: Who said anything about uploading the original pic which have a size of over 1 MByte?
Why bother? When all you need is edit the original pic say in Photoshop and resized it and compressed it again in JPEG which judging by its resolution, it should be under 1 MByte or use higher compression if its over 1 MByte. the image that was hosted is only 118 Kbytes in size.
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oh my fucking god, I love how you doubt me.
save those pics and upload them over imageshack. see for your goddamn self
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I never hosted pictures on the web before so I don\'t know how it works...but i try several web addresses such as http://www.imageshack.com and stuff but it doesn\'t direct me to their webpage. So, link me then.
Anyway, i guess you never uses Photoshop before...you can save the pic to your computer as it was posted in the website. Then resize them in photoshop or other pic editing software. Then save it as jpeg. Photoshop let you choose the amount of quality you wanted to save it. higher bitrate or lower bitrate. And in this case, the 1280 x 782 was save using no more than about 120 Kbyte which is under 1 MByte.
I guess that\'s how you did it...
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Why would I do that if it does it automatically?
http://www.imageshack.us
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I just upload a pic about 1.58 mbyte and it resize the pic and file\'s size down to about 280 Kbytes. I read the common question there and it said you can actually host pic up to 3 Mbytes which i believe will be either resize either in res or file\'s size...
I just save the pic of GoW and upload it. You are right, it did resize the pic automatically...and the res is 1280 x 782 indeed.
here is the link to the pic...
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg359.imageshack.us%2Fimg359%2F8359%2F11271599037aq.jpg&hash=44aee14cdc07246c592fa1a830fece1a7e20efcf)
BTW, why did you do that for?
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I don\'t steal bandwith and imageshack is a picture pit.
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
I don\'t steal bandwith and imageshack is a picture pit.
What do you mean? Why did you save those pics on imageshack when you can link them directly from the website? Unless you wanted to keep them, otherwise I am not sure of the reason for that?:confused:
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You don\'t know what I mean?
geez
It\'s like explaining to a kid how to use the internet. You host the image yourself because you don\'t want to take other people\'s/sites bandwith. Doing this is unnecessary but is ethical in a sense. Also, if you direct link from other sites, such as smaller more independent sites, they may get mad and change the picture into goatse, lensman, or whatever.
Why is this a big deal to you? My point has been proven, stop asking ignorant questions.
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
You don\'t know what I mean?
geez
It\'s like explaining to a kid how to use the internet. You host the image yourself because you don\'t want to take other people\'s/sites bandwith. Doing this is unnecessary but is ethical in a sense. Also, if you direct link from other sites, such as smaller more independent sites, they may get mad and change the picture into goatse, lensman, or whatever.
Why is this a big deal to you? My point has been proven, stop asking ignorant questions.
you posted the pic in very high resolution and claim its 720p. But its not. Then you posted the same pic, only this time from imageshack in 1280 x 782. I was under the suspicion that you are down scale the pic. But I guess imageshack did that automatically.
What I don\'t understand is why did you posted the same pic again? That\'s why I asked because I thought you were trying to fool me.
Its not a big, its more of curiosity and suspicion. You have proven that imageshack downscale it. But i was curious why did you bother to save it and post in imageshack? Until now you told me the reason which I didn\'t thought about like linking other site\'s pic is unethical nor did I thought that it clogged up traffic. Heh.
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It\'s a blown up picture of a game running at 720p. I say what I see from other forums. Which in this case came from fucking ttb and teamxbox.
If that was wrong, whoops, but that is doubtful. It was a blown up pic, no big deal, it was running in TGS and was 720p. Stop always being under suspicion because I did nothing. There is no "fanboyism" here. In another thread I said MGS4 looked amazing. I posted pics of this game. You doubted it for whatever reason and now we are here.
Please kindly, shut the fuck up.
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Originally posted by Samwise
Stop it bishes.
That\'s what I\'ve been thinking as well. I won\'t take anything for granted at this point. For all we know Snake is old just in this trailer-thingy, and not in the final game.
Or its a little sequel then you play as younger Snake trying to get back Olga\'s child.
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
Please kindly, shut the fuck up.
Will do and that\'s that.
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I understood S-Reaver perfectly...don\'t know where the confusion began. Any way you look at it...Gears of War looks kick ass.
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the more i see gears of war, the more i want an xbox...incredible lookin\' game...
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Great Gears of War pics!DAMN
:eek:
Originally posted by EviscerationX
Kojima is always bullshitting us. Raiden was the worst surprise of all time. :mad:
Hey I liked Raiden.The only thing I didnt like about MGS2 was that it didnt have enough Snake.And I think thats what dissapointed poeple.Not the fact that you playied as Raiden.
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Raiden was t3H SuXorZ. He looked like a transvestite or something.
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No he didnt
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gameplay shots plz