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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Ghettomath on September 25, 2005, 06:52:07 PM
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...in Washington, D.C. I\'ve never been to the city before, nor have I ever been to a protest. Together, it was amazing. I got choked up a few times seeing signs saying "Proud of my soldier, ashamed of the war" or just witnessing the sheer vastness (CNN is saying around 100,000 people) of the movement.
Although I didn\'t agree with most of the \'resolutions\' being offered, i.e. impeach Bush or bring the troops home, it was refreshing seeing members of the military and families of the military speaking out against the direction this war has taken.
Cindy Sheehan said much of what she said in her letter to the president, Jesse Jackson did his regular rhetoric, but the best thing were the people. Young and old, but there were far more in plain-clothes than in dredlocks or tie-dye. It seems like an everyman movement rather than hippie-fueled. Very few black people though...
Seems like a pro-war demonstration today only drew around 400 people and they were expecting thousands. Is the tide of American sentiment finally changing?
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We\'re already at war. Don\'t need people to make us move towards going to war. ;)
My cousing sent me pictures. SHe was there. I think I saw you in one of them. YEah, mm... ANyway. Looked pretty wild.
FOREST!!!!!
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Damn protestants.
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is that a religion?...lol...you are funny gmanjoe...
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So raise your fists and march around
dont dare take what you need
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How much gas did people waste to get there?
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Originally posted by mjps21983
How much gas did people waste to get there?
How much oxygen do you WASTE breathing?
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oh snap
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Originally posted by Phil
How much oxygen do you WASTE breathing?
Probably as much as you do buddy, depends on your size though I guess.
Seriously though I\'m happy for you protesting, but its not going to change the right now.
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don\'t all those people have jobs/lives?
oh wait....
protest
:gay:
this ain\'t the 60\'s
MLK would be ashamed
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050926/ap_on_re_us/war_demonstrations
should have tazer\'d her
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why are you laughing like an 8 year old school girl?
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you guys like my new shirt?
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at least give maddox credit
:rolleyes:
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sorry
like my new tshirt i purchased at maddox.xmission.com
next time i talk about anything i own i\'ll be sure to mention where i bought it so as not to offend the vendor of said item or their fans
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Holy shit! I thought you were in DC and you saw the protesters. But you were PART of the protest movement, right?
BWAHAHAHAHA! That\'s almost as bad as spending your Friday night in line to buy a Harry Potter book! Almost - since protesting could become quite adventurous whereas standing in line for hours on end for a book you could easily buy the next day with no wait, is...well.....just lame. :)
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So what did you hope to accomplish with this bullshit protest? Pull out right now? Let the country go to shambles? Let our troop\'s sacrifices for jack shit? We\'re in Iraq for the long haul, get used to it.
I also think the woman that organized that is the most selfish bitch ever. She uses her son\'s death to push forth her cause. Her son was a soldier and he did his duty. Instead, she uses his death to push her cause for antiwar. I\'m glad she\'s arrested.
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^^^^^^
troofin\' boots.
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Sheehan got her ass arrested. Of course, the protest orgranizers made sure she got arrested first. Not all of them were arrested. What a stunt.
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hope she likes prison
what a great example she is setting
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Titan
I also think the woman that organized that is the most selfish bitch ever. She uses her son\'s death to push forth her cause. Her son was a soldier and he did his duty. Instead, she uses his death to push her cause for antiwar. I\'m glad she\'s arrested.
How in the hell is it selfish to give up weeks and months of your life for a cause like this, live on the side of a road in Crawford Texas, endure the ignorant hatred of war lovers, and get yourself arrested to bring attention to the situation? That sounds like the opposite of selfish to me.
If your child died fighting in an unnecessary war that was started to enrich a bunch of defense contractors and energy companies, you might think about protesting that war in an effort to prevent the same thing from happening to other people. Is that so difficult to understand?
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oh, i didnt realize her her son was drafted in the military?
she did a great job of talking him out of it
and completely failed as a parent if she\'s blaming bush for her sons death. hope she doesnt have any other kids
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There\'s a big difference between joining the US Armed Forces with the ideal of defending the United States (which is how they used to describe it a few years ago) and joining now with the ideal of "Defending Freedom." Defending freedom is a vague bullshit concept that basically means they can send you anywhere in the world to kill and be killed for no other purpose than to create a economic environment in some third world country that\'s profitable for the current president\'s corporate supporters. Not necessarily beneficial to the local inhabitants, just profitable for Exxon, BP, Halliburton, and other "old friends" of Dick Cheney.
I don\'t blame Cindy or Casey Sheehan for being lied to and screwed over. I do blame our current leadership for lying to them.
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Forgive my ignorance here,
but when will the war end? I believe the war start right after 9/11/01. Its been 4 years now, I remember last summer, George Bush said he will retrieve all of the U.S. troops back to America. But its been over a year the war still haven\'t ended.
I thought U.S. win the war against Iraq? Especially after we took the presidential building over there, arrested currupted leaders, bring peace and equal rights to their Iraqi, and later we also found Sadam Hussein. So, why is the war still continue? Or am I missing something?
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paul2 this is a no talking forum so please...
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Originally posted by mm
oh, i didnt realize her her son was drafted in the military?
she did a great job of talking him out of it
and completely failed as a parent if she\'s blaming bush for her sons death. hope she doesnt have any other kids
sometimes you rock.
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lied to? :rolleyes:
wtf did they get lied to about?
again, Cindy failed as a parent and is looking for someone else to blame, just like any trashy american
even her husband knew
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0815051sheehan1.html
lied to, huh?
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"will someone please pay my bills while i play activist? i don\'t like to work"
take the tinfoil hat off bro, it\'s chafing
the "man" isn\'t after you
next, you\'ll be telling us that the US govt conspired to crash the 9/11 planes into the trade towers to create a need to invite iraq
:rofl::rofl:
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Originally posted by Coredweller
How in the hell is it selfish to give up weeks and months of your life for a cause like this, live on the side of a road in Crawford Texas, endure the ignorant hatred of war lovers, and get yourself arrested to bring attention to the situation? That sounds like the opposite of selfish to me.
If your child died fighting in an unnecessary war that was started to enrich a bunch of defense contractors and energy companies, you might think about protesting that war in an effort to prevent the same thing from happening to other people. Is that so difficult to understand?
if she really was so commited to her cause we\'d be seeing this shit on cnn (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.singingmountain.org%2Fthich-quang-duc-3.jpg&hash=17dbf5b9ec26057c74fc15dddd341a7ea1b8ca06)
now thems some commited m*therf*ckers
if your gonna prostest learn how to really protest and stop half-assing it
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now thats what the fuck im talking about
thats protesting
/applaud
although 95% of the population has no idea what that was about
another famous protest
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"omg, i was lied to!!!1"
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is that photo new or something LOL
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This guy is owning protesting the right way too.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
How in the hell is it selfish to give up weeks and months of your life for a cause like this, live on the side of a road in Crawford Texas, endure the ignorant hatred of war lovers, and get yourself arrested to bring attention to the situation? That sounds like the opposite of selfish to me.
If your child died fighting in an unnecessary war that was started to enrich a bunch of defense contractors and energy companies, you might think about protesting that war in an effort to prevent the same thing from happening to other people. Is that so difficult to understand?
She is selfish because she was against the war from teh start and probably voiced it. Instead, she\'s using her sons death as an excuse to speak her bullshit which is infact hurting our troop\'s morale and strengthening the enemies.
What proof do you have that we are at war for contractor\'s gains? Your sources? (and I mean reputable sources, no left wing website)
Her son joined of his own free will. He went in knowing full well he may get killed in combat. He did his duty for his country so I salute him for that. Instead of talking shit about the war her son died in, she should honor his sacrifice.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
This guy is owning protesting the right way too.
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What happened to that guy anyway? I can never find out what happened to him.
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Originally posted by Titan
What happened to that guy anyway? I can never find out what happened to him.
Shipped to the US as "dumpling surprise".
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Originally posted by Titan
What happened to that guy anyway? I can never find out what happened to him.
Wasn\'t that william hung?
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why do they let anime voice actors sing in concerts? it\'s a warcrime I tell you!
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Sheehan is pretty selfish if you ask me. She is using the death of her son to become famous, its a bs excuse. There are plenty of other anti war parents out there who lost their sons or daughters, but most of them have enough respect not to turn it into a national spectacle.
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exactly, she was responsible for her child
think she\'d be protesting if her son wasn\'t unfortunately killed in combat (which he signed up for)?
she\'s a coward
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She should respect his decision to join the military and the risks involved. Perhaps she told him to join so he could get the GI Bill? Then she has herself to blame .
I\'ll camp in front of her jail cell and protest. Plenty of women there.
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Heh, I finally read the thing that mm posted. I\'d divorce her ass too.
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I think Sheehan has become a figurehead, a scapegoat for those in defense of the war to attack...much like Bush has become for those against the war.
While I think you are entitled to your opinion as to if she is using her son to become "famous," I don\'t think you\'ll ever know for sure. You don\'t have a son/daughter serving in the military who died so you have know way of comprehending what emotions she\'s feeling.
Also, as far as her failing as a parent...? Come on. She believed in her son and let him do what he really wanted to do. If you really wanted to be an astronaut mm, but your mommy thought it was dangerous - all that going to the moon stuff - would it be a good parental decision for her to PROHIBIT you from being an astronaut (and instead resort to a life of Internet-hermitude)?
Protests changed the political perspective of Vietnam guys, remember that.
While I don\'t fully support Sheehan\'s actions (especially her arrest in D.C. at a PEACE demonstration) I do feel she represents a growing (more conservative) portion of the population who have military within their families and want them home.
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Originally posted by mm
don\'t all those people have jobs/lives?
It was on the weekend. People don\'t have jobs on the weekend.
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guess they didnt have lives then
most not have been anything good on TV
/shrug
and did Ghettomath compare an astronaut to a soldier?
:omg:
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It was on the weekend. People don\'t have jobs on the weekend.
WTF are you talking about?!?
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Originally posted by Titan
What happened to that guy anyway? I can never find out what happened to him.
I think they shot him and dragged his body away and continued
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Originally posted by Ghettomath
While I don\'t fully support Sheehan\'s actions (especially her arrest in D.C. at a PEACE demonstration) I do feel she represents a growing (more conservative) portion of the population who have military within their families and want them home.
She was arrested for doing something illegal. They were supposed to get their asses moving, as they had agreed to but they decided to do a sit down protest so they could purposely get arrested. It\'s all a media stunt.
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Originally posted by mm
again, Cindy failed as a parent
Her son Casey Sheehan was an Eagle Scout, a devout Christian, an honor roll student, and a respected member of his community.
Then he joined, what, the marines?
She was a terrible mother.
-Dan
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You know I may not believe in the "war", but I\'m not dumb enough to sit here and say that we can bring our troops home this moment, pulling out would be a far greater hit to our country than to keeping them there. I have family in the military and so does my fiance, who\'s dad has already done one tour and now is going back for a second. Does it suck yes! But its his job and thats what he\'s suppose to do, all you can hope for is that nothing happens to him and that he comes back in one piece.
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indeed, eik
why does she think she\'s special?
i don\'t see Mary Tillman making a specticle of herself
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Originally posted by Titan
What happened to that guy anyway? I can never find out what happened to him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_man
- In a speech to the President\'s Club in 1999, Bruce Herschensohn [...] reported that he was executed 14 days later
- other sources say he was killed by firing squad a few months after the Tiananmen Square protests.
- In Red China Blues: My Long March from Mao to Now, Jan Wong writes that the man is still alive in hiding in mainland China.
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Originally posted by Ghettomath
Protests changed the political perspective of Vietnam guys, remember that.
I think it was the fact we were losing and in a stalemate that is the reason we pulled out and people changed their opinion.
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damn hippies. go smoke weed and introduce more crap into our society so we can degrade ourselves further.
put up or leave the damn country.
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Hippies give weed a bad name.
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So do rappers
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This lady is the only one worth quoting
"I would like to say to Cindy Sheehan and her supporters: Don\'t be a group of unthinking lemmings," said Mitzy Kenny of Ridgeley, W.Va., whose husband died in Iraq last year. She said the anti-war demonstrations "can affect the war in a really negative way. It gives the enemy hope."
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Protests changed the political perspective of Vietnam guys, remember that.
how did i miss this statement?
:rolleyes:
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because it was true
because lennon>sheehan
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Originally posted by square_marker
damn hippies. go smoke weed and introduce more crap into our society so we can degrade ourselves further.
put up or leave the damn country.
Actually "hippies" were the minority of the people I saw there. Most looked like your average, working class Joe.
Hm...it seems as if I\'m repeating myself. If you\'re going to comment, wouldn\'t you at least read the first post of the thread?
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so what about all the confused, bored college students which nothing better to do except takes hits off the hookah and go shoot the bird at the whitehouse?
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Alright mm, I\'ll side with you and your sweeping generalizations. Since you were there and all...
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1. tell media you\'re staging a demonstration so they can make it an event and not just a bunch of losers walking in a circle with pickets
2. allow mass hearsay and rumors to spread thru local colleges
3. make room for dirty hippies/impressionable teen agers with no self identity/minorities
4. ????
5. profit! (get arrested)
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Originally posted by mm
1. tell media you\'re staging a demonstration so they can make it an event and not just a bunch of losers walking in a circle with pickets
2. allow mass hearsay and rumors to spread thru local colleges
3. make room for dirty hippies/impressionable teen agers with no self identity/minorities
4. ????
5. profit! (get arrested)
thank you! someone with some common sense here! mm is a genius.
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how about you guys make a poll about sheenan\'s protesting and vote. the students protesting maybe stage. But lets have a poll shall we?
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While I think you are entitled to your opinion as to if she is using her son to become "famous," I don\'t think you\'ll ever know for sure. You don\'t have a son/daughter serving in the military who died so you have know way of comprehending what emotions she\'s feeling.
True, but she said that she supported her son and his decisions, but then on his death can\'t understand why he died. So she has to ask the president why and create a media frenzy out of it? It was her son\'s decision to join the marines and he fought for a cause he believed in, and his mother said she supported him and now says she has no idea what he fought for. Well guess what Mrs. Sheehan, he died for something he believed in, and shame on you for not being able to see that.
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Organizers were expecting 100,000 people to protest. But only a few thousand showed up, despite the pleasant weather.
HA HA!
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Organizers were expecting 100,000 people to protest. But only a few thousand showed up, despite the pleasant weather.
HA HA!
That was for the "defenders of the war" demonstration on Sunday. Only 400 people showed up to that. Saturday was the big anti-war demonstration that brough 100,000.
Did you read previous posts/read the news/watch and coverage of the event?
:eek:
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I was talking about Paris and Rome. ;)
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only 100,000?
they got that many people at free "willson phillips" concerts before
:rolleyes:
noone cares about the war/protest
move on
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Originally posted by Ghettomath
Actually "hippies" were the minority of the people I saw there. Most looked like your average, working class Joe.
Hm...it seems as if I\'m repeating myself. If you\'re going to comment, wouldn\'t you at least read the first post of the thread?
Oh thats right throw in the anarchists, the communists (ANSWER ring a bell?), the veagans, PETA and every other kook with an agenda and you have described that joke of a protest pretty accurately.
Seems no one paid attention to the Ditch Bitch and she got mad and made a post on Daily KOS about how CNN isn\'t covering "her" and focusing on hurricane Rita. I think the last straw was her original post on the Huffington Post yesterday where she bashed the media for not covering the event instead focusing on a "bunch of water". Apparently this ticked off her fellow moonbats and she issued an apology in its place. :laughing:
Nice "event" you attended:
Grrr! Protesters From Hell
Tuesday, September 27, 2005
By Mike Straka
Protesters From Hell | Random Grrrs | Your Grrrs | Video
Demonstrators Invade D.C.
The protesters invaded Washington over the weekend.
From stem cell research advocates to Cindy Sheehan (search) sympathizers, protesters of all shapes, sizes, colors and odors found a cause.
Unfortunately for me — since I was traveling by train — a whole lot of them originated from or passed through New York\'s Penn Station, and a train delay made matters worse.
A steel girder collapsed on the tracks just outside of the station, and it was just what the doctor ordered for a bunch of anxious, ready-to-protest-just-about-anything, jobless folks — err, demonstrators — who gathered with their anti-Bush cardboard signs and their 1967-era wardrobe.
As if the tie-dyed clothes weren\'t stereotypically Grrring enough, they just couldn\'t help but to break into song.
Yup. You guessed it. "All we are saying, is give peace a chance." Yeah, all I\'m saying is get a grip.
A lot of these people would join a rally against Dr. Suess if "Sam I Am" actually ate his green eggs and ham earlier in the book. I\'m actually surprised PETA hasn\'t called for a widespread burning of the popular children\'s tome.
Of course, the right to demonstrate against one\'s government is the mark of a true democracy. Unfortunately for my nasal passages and sense of smell, most of the demonstrators feel that the mark of a true democracy is the right not to bathe.
At lunch at D.C.\'s Union Station with fellow FNC staffers Jason Ehrich, Andrea Macey and Alyson Donnelly, we were treated to more anti-Bush fodder from a trio of demonstrators who appeared not to have taken showers for at least three months.
What is it about protesters and poor hygiene? Maybe they double as anti-war and pro-water conservationists?
Meanwhile, while Sheehan and Joan Baez (search) regaled the 100,000-strong crowd at the White House, we took off to watch "Special Report" anchor Brit Hume throw out the ceremonial first pitch at the Washington Nationals/New York Mets game at RFK Stadium.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170465,00.html
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i swear they should hand out tire irons and sticks of dynamite at these "protests" and let nature sort things out
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hehehe
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3. make room for dirty hippies/impressionable teen agers with no self identity/minorities
:rofl:
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Originally posted by THX
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hehehe
:/ I don\'t get it.
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Well Ghettomath said he saw a ton of white collar workers there with nice clothes on.
This pic just shows a bunch of college students who are skipping class because they have nothing better to do and are looking for a good time. The term "bandwagon" also comes to mind. Plus, imagine that smell if you were right there in the middle.
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They look so dirty.
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So dirty. So black.
-Dan
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Originally posted by THX
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hehehe
wow if we could just get MTV to go republican all those people would have joined the army
what they should have been chanting was "I promise not to think for myself. I promise to only believe what morally depraved celebrities tell me to."
Do you think Rupert Murdoch has enough money to buy viacom?
I should write a book I\'ll call it "How MTV Ruined the World"
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vote for teh benjamins bitches!
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WE AIN\'T GO-IN NOWHERE!
(bad grammar besides the point...)
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Originally posted by Jar O Pickles
wow if we could just get MTV to go republican all those people would have joined the army
what they should have been chanting was "I promise not to think for myself. I promise to only believe what morally depraved celebrities tell me to."
Do you think Rupert Murdoch has enough money to buy viacom?
I should write a book I\'ll call it "How MTV Ruined the World"
That\'s got to be the dumbest thing I\'ve ever heard.
Did MTV spurn draft-dodgers in the Vietnam era?
You sound like a 70 year old with two teeth and a blanket over his lap: "It\'s all these damn teenagers these days with their MTV."
Why aren\'t you in the Army?
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Why aren\'t you protesting in North Korea for human rights violations?
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I\'ve been meaning to get out there, but I\'ve got all this paperwork to do and it\'s...
-Dan
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Originally posted by Ghettomath
That\'s got to be the dumbest thing I\'ve ever heard.
Did MTV spurn draft-dodgers in the Vietnam era?
You sound like a 70 year old with two teeth and a blanket over his lap: "It\'s all these damn teenagers these days with their MTV."
Why aren\'t you in the Army?
Um....MTV wasn\'t around during Vietnam. Also, cable TV wasn\'t around during Vietnam. Sorry to rain on your parade ;)
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Originally posted by Ghettomath
That\'s got to be the dumbest thing I\'ve ever heard.
Did MTV spurn draft-dodgers in the Vietnam era?
You sound like a 70 year old with two teeth and a blanket over his lap: "It\'s all these damn teenagers these days with their MTV."
Why aren\'t you in the Army?
I\'m sorry I forgot that "Date My Mom " and "My Sweet 16" were making the world a better place
oh and "It\'s all these damn teenagers these days with their MTV."
is my new quote and the reason I\'m not in the army is cause i applied to get into west point and got denied(no surprise) then i got a good job and by the time army was a consideration again my girlfried had my son so thats that
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Not only was ghettomath\'s sarcasm lost on some of us, but so was the fact that he\'s right.
-Dan
//just sayin
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Haha... I keep forgetting how old the population of this board is....
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Oh I understood his sarcasm. But he still hasn\'t gone off to North Korea to protest about the Human Rights Violations. I\'ll even give him a pen to scribble his protest with.
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I think my co-worker said it best:
"Young & idealistic, or old and realistic."
It would be nice if we could have peace but you know that\'ll never happen, unless you\'re naive.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Oh I understood his sarcasm. But he still hasn\'t gone off to North Korea to protest about the Human Rights Violations. I\'ll even give him a pen to scribble his protest with.
Have you been off to protest in North Korea?
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
Not only was ghettomath\'s sarcasm lost on some of us, but so was the fact that he\'s right.
-Dan
//just sayin
Jar has a valid point as well - MTV sucks. It started off well enough back in the 80\'s, but the shit they put on now is disgraceful.
I believe he is making his point in that MTV is a symptom of what is wrong with a lot of the youth today regarding politics. Their involvement with the "Vote or Die" campaign last year was a fucking joke. MTV should stick to music and stop the reality shows and attempting to influence young minds regarding politics with their feeble slogans and viewpoints. It is no longer the carefree station it once was.
Another example of why the entertainment industry should stay out of politics.
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Originally posted by Ghettomath
Have you been off to protest in North Korea?
I\'m not a protesting fool. I want you to go there. I suggest you buy a one way ticket there, it\'s cheaper and I really doubt you\'re gonna make it back.
See ya. Here\'s a pen and poster for your rally.
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I have to say that blaming MTV for this is the weirdest and most dumb thing I\'ve heard in quite sometime. Yes, I\'ll agree that most teenagers are influenced by musical artists, but come on! Teenagers are goin\' to rally against "the man" no matter what they are listening to / watching.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I have to say that blaming MTV for this is the weirdest and most dumb thing I\'ve heard in quite sometime. Yes, I\'ll agree that most teenagers are influenced by musical artists, but come on! Teenagers are goin\' to rally against "the man" no matter what they are listening to / watching.
good point they a gonna do that but its never been this materialistic and halfassed as it has been
i wouldnt be surprised if we\'re only a few months of from the 1st corprate sponsered protest
"This month\'s anti-war rally brought to you by McDonalds and the new Ipod Nano!!!"
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Teens think they know everything except how stupid they are.
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The thing is, half of these teens that you think are trying to be cool by protesting also can\'t stand MTV. If you\'re young and hip you\'re cool enough to know MTV is evil. Even if you\'re just a follower doing that also.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I have to say that blaming MTV for this is the weirdest and most dumb thing I\'ve heard in quite sometime. Yes, I\'ll agree that most teenagers are influenced by musical artists, but come on! Teenagers are goin\' to rally against "the man" no matter what they are listening to / watching.
No one is specifically blaming MTV it is one of the mouthpieces of the "hating my country is cool" crowd. There are many other mouthpieces as well - cough - Michael Moore.
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I think you all need to get a little more in check with youth before thinking something like that.
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Bozzie has a point, I don\'t think the people you see in that photo are big fitty cent, hilary duff, or n\'sync fans. That\'s not to say they don\'t get their politcs from hip, entertainment sources though. I bet they could name 5 of their favorite bands that just happen to spout anti-Bush rhetoric.
On the MTV subject though, I have a lil sis and she is magnetized to that channel. She instantly turns to Real World like I do to TCM. Her friends are the same way and it\'s sad frankly. It\'s just puke put into human form being annnoying as shiz to get attention.
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You know what, teeangers will be teenagers. They are goin\' to rally against the norm, that is the normal for a hormonal teenager. Sure, the media doesn\'t help it when you have someone like Kayne West spouting of his rhetoric, but even if he didn\'t, they would still rally against it. It\'s part of growing up, thinking you know every single thing.
I won\'t call anyone dumb about their opinions on this, but I think while pointing fingers at MTV, Kayne, Ipod Nano and other things we are overlooking the most obvious thing...They are teenagers for the most part.
Slightly off-topic, but I\'ll go ahead with this point (it may be moot tho\'!). Do you know those guys who are like 25 and dating 16 - 18 year olds? I don\'t understand how they do it. You cannot have a well thought out logical conversation with a teenager. For the most part they are not able to do it. Yes, it\'s true some grow up before others, but for the most part, until these kids get out there and experience the real world, they have no clue about it, but will always assume they know everything about it. Need further proof? Some of you who have posted here for years have seen some of the members start as teenagers and eventually mature over time. It was obvious they was maturing, because as they matured they was able and willing to voice their opinons in a more civil manner (there is of course exceptions to this rule, Jumpman being one).
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And Sirx
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impressionable teen agers with no self identity
i swear noone reads my posts
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"there is of course exceptions to this rule, Jumpman being one"
I speak the language of the people. Ie I will relate my words in a manner in which they would understand. And that hurt. :(
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aww... did someone leave a public computer logged in at the socialist library?
:D
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no someone made a new account and a new email
took me 10 minutes :mad:
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is that you jumpman? what happened?:confused:
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Friend saw laptop on this page and made some threads. Could only edit them to dots(.) but couldn\'t edit thread titles or make complete sentences in the time I had. mm banned me(rightfully so, if I was a Mod and saw the thread titles it would of been over instantly), I cried, then saw LIC\'s post and added something.
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well...I thought your threads rocked....
;)
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Oh I see, that sucks. Planning on keeping this new username of your? BTW, what is the meaning behind your new username?
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Well, it\'s a facinating story.
I had just finished applying my deodorant(named Oldspice), and decided it would be relitively easy to remember.
Oh well, <--most banned member in history added to my resume.
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Hmm...something is strange about you jumpman. Your English seem to trailed off a little and even some of the words are spelled wrong too...
been drinking lately?
BTW, interesting story about how you come up with this new username.
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Jumpman found a secret forum which I cannot access!!
*Stares at CHIZZY and vid*
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problem fixed
hadn\'t temp banned a member in a very long time, and someone was playing with the child forum permissions
/shrug
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That didn\'t look like a child forum! Damn.. even in a friendly gamer board we can\'t help but set up our elitest divisions. What hope do we have of getting rid of them when it really counts.
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not child as in age
child as in propagated
someone was playing with the "sub" forum permissions and the "parent" permissions werent being pushed down
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gotcha.... so there\'s whole sections of \'eyes only\' forums other than the mod forum? Damn. (mutter, mutter)
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
No one is specifically blaming MTV it is one of the mouthpieces of the "hating my country is cool" crowd. There are many other mouthpieces as well - cough - Michael Moore.
Your argument ended at " \'hating my country is cool\' crowd"
I\'ve never watched MTV in my life. So, categorizing people in order to degrade their ideals is awfully foolish and desperate. From what I have seen, you attack the character, never the cause.
The public is obviously turning againt Bush on the Iraq issue. You don\'t talk about that though, you just stereotype in an attempt that people will follow along. And from what I\'ve seen in these forums, instead of challenging each other to make non-degrading attempts and justifying what you think is right. You just simply attack the people\'s character.
That is lame.
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stereotypes exist for a reason
and the public is turning on bush because the media tells them to. especially teenagers, they are like worker beers, but far lazier
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Your argument ended at " \'hating my country is cool\' crowd"
I\'ve never watched MTV in my life. So, categorizing people in order to degrade their ideals is awfully foolish and desperate. From what I have seen, you attack the character, never the cause.
The public is obviously turning againt Bush on the Iraq issue. You don\'t talk about that though, you just stereotype in an attempt that people will follow along. And from what I\'ve seen in these forums, instead of challenging each other to make non-degrading attempts and justifying what you think is right. You just simply attack the people\'s character.
That is lame.
That is a lie. You have never watched not one second of MTV in your life? You are liar.
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This is silly. Five pages of people talking out their ass. Can\'t a guy waste his time protesting in peace? ;]
-Dan
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NOPE!
Protesters are faggots.
:D
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Your argument ended at " \'hating my country is cool\' crowd"
I\'ve never watched MTV in my life. So, categorizing people in order to degrade their ideals is awfully foolish and desperate. From what I have seen, you attack the character, never the cause.
The public is obviously turning againt Bush on the Iraq issue. You don\'t talk about that though, you just stereotype in an attempt that people will follow along. And from what I\'ve seen in these forums, instead of challenging each other to make non-degrading attempts and justifying what you think is right. You just simply attack the people\'s character.
That is lame.
One\'s character is defined by their actions - you are a prime example, lemming.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
That is a lie. You have never watched not one second of MTV in your life? You are liar.
See what I\'m talking about?
You knew that I was exaggerating, yet I\'m sure you made it your goal to come to the conclusion that I was a liar...desperate...
I watched MTV during middle school, but it was mostly music videos. Other than that, I don\'t watch it now.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
One\'s character is defined by their actions - you are a prime example, lemming.
Name-calling...childish.
Character is not only defined by actions. Character is made up of the ethical, attributes and to an extent actions by an individual that distinguishes them from others.
What you do is attack their actions and solely base their entire ideals and motives on that. Giga, you and your peers always have a pre-thought steryotype and ramble on about it. You attacked the mother of a DEAD SOLDIER, you all are weak.
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she\'s a retard.
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Attacking a mother of a dead soldier???
She\'s using his death to exploit her personal vendetta. Thats weak.
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actions = character
no way around it
don\'t be a puppet, SirMystiq
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
See what I\'m talking about?
You knew that I was exaggerating, yet I\'m sure you made it your goal to come to the conclusion that I was a liar...desperate...
I watched MTV during middle school, but it was mostly music videos. Other than that, I don\'t watch it now.
Perhaps you were skipping school when they taught the english word "never" in class. When you say "I have NEVER watched MTV." that implies that...well....you have NEVER watched MTV.
Not only are you a liar, but trying to say you\'re just exaggerating for no apparent reason, makes you also look stupid.
It\'s not name calling, it\'s just the way you are.
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You attacked the mother of a DEAD SOLDIER, you all are weak.
It\'s not like we attacked her because of her dead kid, of which whom she really must not really care about, we attacked her because shes a horrible person using the death of her son to become famous.
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Thinking more about it what you can blame all these kids on is college professors. It\'s a liberal stronghold in america.
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I feel lucky to be able to post here among the handful of remaining free thinkers. :rolleyes:
-Dan
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Name-calling...childish.
Character is not only defined by actions. Character is made up of the ethical, attributes and to an extent actions by an individual that distinguishes them from others.
What you do is attack their actions and solely base their entire ideals and motives on that. Giga, you and your peers always have a pre-thought steryotype and ramble on about it. You attacked the mother of a DEAD SOLDIER, you all are weak.
One\'s character is most certainly defined by their actions. For example - if you rob a bank, assault someone, embezzle money, borrow money and don\'t repay it - those kind of things speak volumes for your character.
On the topic of Cindy Sheehan she has no moral authority in my opinion. Her character is severly lacking by the actions and statements she has made. Her son was not a child, he volunteered (not once, but twice) and she even tried to talk him out of going back for a second time and failed. Her sons name is now being smeered by her and her supporters for their own political purposes. Shame on her and those that agree with her.
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Originally posted by Bozco
Thinking more about it what you can blame all these kids on is college professors. It\'s a liberal stronghold in america.
Oh yea...:rolleyes:
College is really a terrible thing, isn\'t it. Getting an education - God, who would ever want to do that? When was the last time you were in college Bozco? Or didn\'t you end up going?
I\'d guess the latter given your propensity for these sweeping generalizations you are using to argue.
"Liberal stronghold" :rofl: Then why didn\'t liberals win the election?
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Bozco is right. American colleges today are filled with professors who expouse their liberal ideals on students. Ward Churchill being a prime example and sadly most professors do not remain objective when it comes to politics and teaching. It is one thing to get an education, but it is quite another to get indoctrinated with a professor\'s beliefs.
Why didn\'t liberals win the election you ask? Because college students are lazy and didn\'t vote. For all the mobilization the left did prior the election it didn\'t motivate Joe/Jane College Student enough to get out of bed and head to the polls.
I also believe Bozco is in college are you?
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You really need to chill with the sweeping generalizations. They invalidate a lot of what you\'re trying to say.
-Dan
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I voted, I\'m in college, so not everyone is lazy that is in college and I voted for Bush. Now if you\'d like to say lazy liberal college kids, then I\'d be fine with that.
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Ward Churchill is one person, that is hardly a reasonable example to prove your point.
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Ward Churchill is one person, that is hardly a reasonable example to prove your point.
Simply amazing. Go back and bury your head in the sand DH, but before you do read this:
Liberalism pays off at American universities
By BILL O’REILLY
Published Monday, February 7, 2005
There are so many nutty professors around this country, Jerry Lewis could sue all day long. The Ward Churchill controversy is just the headline - the real story is the radicalization of the nation’s college faculties.
Churchill, as you might know, is the University of Colorado "Ethnic Studies" teacher who wrote an essay saying that those Americans killed inside the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, were not actually civilians, they were "little Eichmanns" - as in the Nazi Adolf - people who hurt innocents because they worked for large corporations. Churchill went on to call the 9/11 killers legitimate "soldiers."
Seeing merit in Churchill’s ravings, a Hamilton College literature teacher named Nancy Rabinowitz invited him to speak at the upstate New York school and agreed to pay the man $3,500. Previously, Rabinowitz tried to hire 1960s radical Susan Rosenberg to be an "activist-in-residence" at Hamilton College. The problem was that Rosenberg had spent 16 years in prison for possessing explosives. When the alumni at Hamilton found out about that, some short fuses were lit. Rosenberg got the boot.
And so, eventually, did Churchill, but not before major angst. When some journalists exposed Churchill and questioned the appropriateness of giving him a platform, Hamilton vowed it would not be swayed - the man would appear at the college in defense of free speech! Less than a day later, Hamilton President Joan Hinde Stewart canned him after a nationwide outcry against her foolish position.
So what exactly is going on here? To understand the craziness on campus, you have to first look at the stats. According to a survey done by UCLA, 48 percent of college faculty members and administrators identify themselves as either liberal or far left. Just 18 percent say they are conservative or far right. So the prevailing wisdom on campus is decidedly progressive and aggressively politically correct.
If you challenge the leftist orthodoxy, watch out. Harvard President Lawrence Summers is still bruised after saying some women might not be as good as men in math and science. Well, I did the math on this one. The women who complained defeated Summers 800 to 0, or something like that.
But at Northeastern University, across the river from Harvard in Boston, economics Professor Shahid Alam opined that the 9/11 killers were similar to the Founding Fathers. According to Alam, the al-Qaida thugs died so "their people might live free and in dignity." In response, the faculty at Northeastern has said nothing. No doubt distracted by the women-math deal.
All over the country, far-left ravings on campus are acceptable and sometimes even embraced by fanatical faculty. Legitimate dissent has degenerated into hate speech and vile descriptions of America. Many of these so-called teachers, like Ward Churchill, have tenure, a dastardly con that protects teachers for life. They know they can’t be fired, so they become little Ayatollahs. And if you call them on their irresponsibility, you are a fascist or a racist.
One more example. That rascal Michael Moore ran around the United States before the presidential election, speaking at more than 50 colleges. Moore said he was trying to rally the campus troops to vote against Bush, as if they needed rallying. But what Moore really rallied was his bank account. Conservative estimates put Moore’s take for his bloviating at more than a million bucks, much of it paid for by student union fees.
America, it’s a great country. Especially if you don’t like it.
http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Feb/20050207Comm003.asp
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Originally posted by mjps21983
I voted, I\'m in college, so not everyone is lazy that is in college and I voted for Bush. Now if you\'d like to say lazy liberal college kids, then I\'d be fine with that.
You know exactly what I meant. The kids Michael Moore and company were "mobilizing" failed to turn out. Of course students such as yourself are a completely different story.
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I know I was just giving you a hard time.
SirX would fit right in here with downtown Austin and the hippies.
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Originally posted by Ghettomath
Oh yea...:rolleyes:
College is really a terrible thing, isn\'t it. Getting an education - God, who would ever want to do that? When was the last time you were in college Bozco? Or didn\'t you end up going?
I\'d guess the latter given your propensity for these sweeping generalizations you are using to argue.
"Liberal stronghold" :rofl: Then why didn\'t liberals win the election?
I think we\'re confusing which one of us is uneducated here. I haven\'t made any brash assumptions on things. And did I say college was such a terrible thing? All I said is that you can find a whole lot of liberal profs spouting their views even in classes that it doesn\'t belong.
Also, how would college campuses being a liberal stronghold be a direct tie to liberals winning the election? I\'m really wondering if you thought out any of your post.
And yes, I\'m a full time student.
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Originally posted by Ghettomath
Oh yea...:rolleyes:
College is really a terrible thing, isn\'t it. Getting an education - God, who would ever want to do that? When was the last time you were in college Bozco? Or didn\'t you end up going?
I\'d guess the latter given your propensity for these sweeping generalizations you are using to argue.
"Liberal stronghold" :rofl: Then why didn\'t liberals win the election?
Do you even think when you make posts like this, or are you making an effort to look like an ass.
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Originally posted by Phil
Do you even think when you make posts like this, or are you making an effort to look like an ass.
Oh and you add worlds to the debate with posts like these...
:rolleyes:
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Ghettomath, I\'m surprised you\'re willing to show your face in this thread. Why is it that you can make a juvenile response to me but once I say something back you run away?
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Originally posted by Ghettomath
Oh and you and worlds to the debate with posts like these...
:rolleyes:
If you had anything intelligent to debate against I\'d actually try.
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Originally posted by Bozco
Ghettomath, I\'m surprised you\'re willing to show your face in this thread. Why is it that you can make a juvenile response to me but once I say something back you run away?
You said something about liberal professors on campus?
At least with my personal experience, the occasional professor that I have had who has either spouted their liberal OR their conservative beliefs in the classroom, I\'ve dismissed, as have my other friends who were in the class.
Professors don\'t have a "liberal stronghold" on college students. If you are smart enough to make it to college, you should be smart enough to form your own opinions and not immediately succumb to what some professor has to say.
And what\'s the alternative? Silence our professors? Your very own state of Ohio tried to pass a law muzzling professors, which I\'m sure you\'ve heard about, that failed miserably when brought to the vote. It stated that professors in classrooms couldn\'t say anything personal about their political beliefs. Not only was it a direct violation of the first amendment, but it placing far too much credit on college professors, and not enough on college students.
I ask those of you who are blaming MTV and liberal college professors as the cause of lemming-like-liberalism in America, when do the youth of America actually learn to think for themselves?
If it\'s not after the age of MTV, nor after college graduation, when is it?
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Whats wrong with liberal/conservative professors spouting their beliefs is that it can lead to a rift between the student and the faculty. I\'ve seen many times a student being hurt because the prof\'s anger towards a political party is misdirected at the student and their grade. It also just so happens that most teachers, especially in my college, are liberal.
and on another note, most teenagers are going to be going against the norm, in the case of today, conservatism. In that light, they are going to cling on to every word the professor tells them because it reinforces their unfounded thoughts. Believe it or not, but just because you are intelligent does not mean that you have any idea about politics. I have some of the most intelligent friends spew the most idiotic statements on a political issue.
I do not however, support the "muzzling" of professors. They have a right to say how they feel, but they should also have enough sense to know when is enough and when it is appropriate. (We had a moment of silence in mourning over the loss of Kerry last year in my studio)
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Ghettomath, why didn\'t you address me like this the first time? Making the assumptions you originally did made you look like an idiot, but if you first went at me like this it would have been a respectful discussion. As for my response , Phil pretty much covered my views.
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and in other news, Cindy Sheehan gets punk\'d
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200510%5CNAT20051026a.html
"She will do anything to get publicity. Cindy Sheehan has been blown off the public map by [Hurricane] Katrina and [Hurricane] Wilma. She is desperate,"
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Pwned.
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yow nice find. Even though it\'s downplaying her, I\'m still sick of hearing of that wench
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So far, I have yet to see any professor forcing liberal thought down students\' throats. Indeed, the obviously liberal professor of my Introduction to the Humanities class, during his lectures on Tolstoy and Baldwin, notes the dangers of letting societal norms dictate your personal paradigms. He does not "indoctrinate" us with anything, but stresses free-thought. Whether that thought is liberal or conservative is irrelevant, so long as we attain it by ourselves. And this is Stanford, a university that the uninformed would categorize as a liberal stronghold. So please, before you make ignorant genralizations... no, there\'s nothing you can do beforehand. Just don\'t make ignorant generalizations.
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Originally posted by Bozco
All I said is that you can find a whole lot of liberal profs spouting their views even in classes that it doesn\'t belong.
I have yet to see any professors doing such a thing. Maybe I\'m just fortunate. I couldn\'t stand being in a class with a professor spouting their views like that.
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The information they teach and tell you can be easily toned to a liberal/conservative P.O.V.
Im all for objective teachers, but it wont happen any time soon- especially when they have so much influence on the coming generation.
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
I have yet to see any professors doing such a thing. Maybe I\'m just fortunate. I couldn\'t stand being in a class with a professor spouting their views like that.
My professors do. I have one that does nothing but spew her crap. I keep my views to myself in that class so I can get a B or an A.
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Originally posted by Titan
My professors do. I have one that does nothing but spew her crap. I keep my views to myself in that class so I can get a B or an A.
Hahaha, welcome to my speech class. I got an A or B on my 4 speeches yet got a D in the class. Every other conservative dropped the class after discussion after discussion of politics where the teacher spewed her hatred of bush and how he stole the first election.
When I asked why I got a D she said I got about a 10 out of 200 on class participation because I missed two days of class the whole quarter on a 4 day a week class. Meanwhile a girl I ran into in another class down the road got a B when she didn\'t even do the final speech. She laughed and attributed it all to me speaking my mind.
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That sucks for you guys. I\'d drop the class and find another teacher or something. I can\'t stand that shee-ite.
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What retards. I haven\'t heard of any such idiots here, and hopefully they\'ll stay far away from my radar.
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
That sucks for you guys. I\'d drop the class and find another teacher or something. I can\'t stand that shee-ite.
Well every grade I recieved was good so life was going well besides her being a cunt. Then when I looked at the final grades online I about shit a brick.
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heh, i think i met teachers like that in high school too. In my senior year, i think i have experienced similiar things like that too and I believe I am not alone, other students also got bad grades too even though I think they did better than me. My English is bad, but I got a bit better grade than them, as if the teacher afraid I might go crazy if he do wrong things behind my back.
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The teachers at my college are for the most part liberal but its a small percentage that spew their bullshit. That\'s what ratemyprofessor.com is for :)
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I\'ve had both really, but those are always the fun classes as long as the don\'t hold it against you.
The only time I got something from a teacher in college was it was a women teacher that didn\'t like men, she gave all the guys terrible grades and all the girls were taken lightly when grading.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
I\'ve had both really, but those are always the fun classes as long as the don\'t hold it against you.
The only time I got something from a teacher in college was it was a women teacher that didn\'t like men, she gave all the guys terrible grades and all the girls were taken lightly when grading.
That\'s fucked up. People that discriminate because of sex really shouldn\'t teach. She probably hated men because they discriminated, right? Probably made a hyprocrite out of herself.
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I haven\'t ran into a teacher like that at my school. But, I have had plenty of *discussions* with conservative Christians here. Mostly, I tear them apart. They are not very bright sometimes.
All thanks to my "Contemporary Moral Problems" class.
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The day I see a conservative teacher forcing his/her views on students like a handful of liberal teachers I\'ve had I\'ll keel over and die. Luckily I\'m not too worried.
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Originally posted by Bozco
The day I see a conservative teacher forcing his/her views on students like a handful of liberal teachers I\'ve had I\'ll keel over and die. Luckily I\'m not too worried.
Haha, true that. I have no conservative professors that I know about. However, I had conservative teachers in high school and they hardly pushed their views and if they did, they just said their view and not forced it down your throat (and it was usually brought up by a student). However, liberal teacher that I\'ve had would just push and push. i had one teacher who I think was a communist. He constantly pushed his views and handed out pamphlets from PETA one time.
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so fucking owned
Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan waits for people to show up at her book signing near President Bush\'s ranch on Saturday, Nov. 26, 2005 in Crawford, Texas.
oh? noone cares anymore cindy
your 15 minutes are over
:(
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Heh, where\'d that come from? I\'d like to pass that article around a bit.
-Dan
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http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/mother-sheehans-book-signing/
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I heard about her. It was great. I love how no one cares. BTW, when did she come out with a book?
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Her book\'s got some pretty shitty reviews.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0977333809/102-3704472-2943330?v=glance&n=283155&n=507846&s=books&v=glance
I guess she\'ll never make it as a writer.
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She\'s in it to make money for herself and people finally realized it.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
She\'s in it to make money for herself and people finally realized it.
Not to mention her own fame and glory. She\'s using her son for all this. Despicable.
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lmao i love the pics that Amazon uses to sell her book
:laughing:
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Originally posted by THX
lmao i love the pics that Amazon uses to sell her book
:laughing:
I\'m sure they didn\'t order too many of them to sell.
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ok, this cunt needs to go away
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060201/us_nm/bush_speech_sheehan_dc_1
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Police at the U.S. Capitol arrested anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan on Tuesday. Sheehan had been invited to be a guest at the address to a joint session of Congress by U.S. Rep. Lynn Woolsey (news, bio, voting record), a California Democrat. CNN said Sheehan was arrested after unveiling a banner and was being held on Capitol Hill for about an hour, which would keep her away from the address
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Kalifornyaaaa, Kalifornyaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Here we commmmmmmmmmmmme!!!!!
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Originally posted by mm
ok, this cunt needs to go away
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060201/us_nm/bush_speech_sheehan_dc_1
The New York Times reported she may be running for Senate.
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consider that a failure
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A republican congressman\'s wife was also ejected from the State of the Union address for wearing a T-Shirt printed with the message "Support the Troops Defending Our Freedom." :rolleyes: http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/13763761.htm
Our government\'s thought control policies are getting a bit excessive. God forbid the president should have to face a little criticism from a t-shirt.
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damn..that is weird..:confused:..i wonder why they did that? She was clearly supportin\' the war. i guess they figured if they let her wear that shirt, any wife of a democrat or republican that DIDN\'T support the war might come in with her respective shirt. And that wouldn\'t look good at all during the All American address eh?
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perhaps because women of that stature should be more mature?
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You mean they should shut up and git in the kitchen? :)
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what do you tell a woman with two blacks eyes?
nothing! you already told the bitch twice!
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Originally posted by clips
damn..that is weird..:confused:..i wonder why they did that? She was clearly supportin\' the war. i guess they figured if they let her wear that shirt, any wife of a democrat or republican that DIDN\'T support the war might come in with her respective shirt. And that wouldn\'t look good at all during the All American address eh?
Kinda, it\'s an established rule. They don\'t allow anything like that inside. Protest or demonstrate or rally or distract all you want outside, but inside they have work to do.
-Dan