PSX5Central

Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: clowd on October 10, 2005, 08:08:48 PM

Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: clowd on October 10, 2005, 08:08:48 PM: Which is better, PCI-Express or AGP?

And if it matters I want to get an NVIDIA graphics card
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: mm on October 10, 2005, 08:15:54 PM: PCI-Express is newer technology

although no game has yet to saturate 8x AGP bandwidth
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: THX on October 10, 2005, 08:34:58 PM: See what your motherboard has, download CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/) and click the mainboard tab.

It\'ll either give you the specs for AGP or PCI-e
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: clowd on October 10, 2005, 09:11:48 PM: Well the thing is I\'m looking to buy a computer right now THX that has a PCI-Express slot. I\'m on a pretty crappy computer currently.

The last computer had (something in it burned out and it wont turn on but it dont matter since it is a 1.3ghz and ageIII needs 1.4ghz) a normal PCI slot and a AGP slot. I was told AGP was better for graphics than PCI and it worried me this new computer only had a PCI slot. But it is PCI-Express, which mm said is new technology, so I should be fine, right?
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on October 10, 2005, 11:45:11 PM: PCI-E is to new imo, i\'d go AGP. Simply because while i was in the RMA department at mmt. We got 90% returns on PCI-E cards over AGP. That was about 3 months ago.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: mm on October 11, 2005, 03:49:33 AM: go pci-e

nvidia isnt making AGP cards anymore after the 7800 series

ati is barely supporting it
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: JBean on October 11, 2005, 04:38:51 AM: yeah, the worst thing you could do is buy AGP now... nobody is making cards for that slot anymore
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: Blade on October 11, 2005, 05:49:56 AM: PCI-Express.

It\'s not "too new".. AGP is "too old". Soon to be unsupported, killing your upgrade path.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: THX on October 11, 2005, 10:18:05 AM: There\'s also the fact that PCI-express motherboards can handle bandwidth better and more efficiently. Nice if you have several devices that are all doing something.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on October 11, 2005, 11:04:25 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Blade
PCI-Express.

It\'s not "too new".. AGP is "too old". Soon to be unsupported, killing your upgrade path.

u work in RMA do u? it\'s to new, it\'s got problems and i saw lots of them. If he plans on updating his gpu every 6 months. Sure go PCI-E but he\'ll most likely be updating every few years, by then you might as well get a new mobo/cpu too.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: Knotter8 on October 12, 2005, 12:00:31 AM: Yeah, get a PCI-E mobo. It\'s questionable if the newest vga cards in about half a year will even release as a agp version.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: THX on October 12, 2005, 12:05:42 AM: Quote
Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
u work in RMA do u? it\'s to new, it\'s got problems and i saw lots of them. If he plans on updating his gpu every 6 months. Sure go PCI-E but he\'ll most likely be updating every few years, by then you might as well get a new mobo/cpu too.

Soully it\'ll help you\'re argument if you post some links on the matter, even if it\'s complaints en masse on a geek board. This is the first time I\'ve heard of it.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on October 12, 2005, 02:20:54 AM: post links? i worked in a RMA department and had shit loads of pci-e cards returned. We were selling agp/pci-e at a 1:1 ratio. That speaks for itself.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: mm on October 12, 2005, 03:38:37 AM: i dont think so many people returned them as something was wrong with them

but they just bought pci-e and didnt realize they need agp

easier to say "it doesnt work", then "im a moron"
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: JBean on October 12, 2005, 04:22:22 AM: point is if you want the best cards available from Nvidia or ATi then you MUST HAVE A PCI-E SLOT. Although I too do question how much better PCI-e is than AGP, it just dosen\'t make sense to buy a system based on something that\'s about to be phased out.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: Paul2 on October 12, 2005, 09:23:41 AM: How about wait till early next year where they might sorted this AGP and PCI-E slots out before deciding to upgrade the graphic card?

As for now, just use the graphic card you have right now as a temporary solution.

Who knows, by early next year, you might have a better performance card with similiar price tag compare to recent graphic card.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on October 12, 2005, 11:16:33 PM: Quote
Originally posted by mm
i dont think so many people returned them as something was wrong with them

but they just bought pci-e and didnt realize they need agp

easier to say "it doesnt work", then "im a moron"
bbbzzzt wrong again. MMT is a wholesaler, so we tested every card that was returned. Most if not all the PCI-E cards had problems.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: THX on October 12, 2005, 11:35:27 PM: What were the problems? And what were the brands/chipsets?
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: mm on October 13, 2005, 03:53:08 AM: he\'s bullshitting, thx
should know this by now
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on October 13, 2005, 03:55:14 AM: Quote
Originally posted by THX
What were the problems? And what were the brands/chipsets?

They were many and varied. Email mmt themselves. http://www.mmt.com.au

as for the brands, it was XFX cards.

oh and mm, bite me.

don\'t believe me, i don\'t really give a shit.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: mm on October 13, 2005, 04:13:44 AM: sure you do, wouldn\'t respond if you didn\'t
:)
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on October 13, 2005, 04:18:15 AM: nar i\'d still respond. Thats like someone walking up to you, calling you a cock head and you just walk off. Doubt it, even though u don\'t really care. You\'d still tell them to fuck off.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: Avatarr on October 13, 2005, 05:48:53 AM: PCIE for SLI.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: mm on October 13, 2005, 06:01:17 AM: actually, soully

if someone called me a "cock head", i would probably :rofl:
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on October 15, 2005, 01:08:31 AM: before or after they\'ve finished laughing at you?
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: mm on October 15, 2005, 04:06:40 AM: for calling me a "cock head"? :rofl:
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on October 15, 2005, 05:35:53 AM: that went straight over your head... doesn\'t surprise me.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: mm on October 15, 2005, 08:56:51 AM: "cock head" :rofl:
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: Evi on October 15, 2005, 10:21:10 AM: Who calls anyone a cock head?
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on October 15, 2005, 05:43:11 PM: quite common saying in australia.. so around 20 million people.

http://territorypictures.tripod.com/pages/oztalk/Oztalk.html

look under C. doh!
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: Halberto on October 15, 2005, 05:52:28 PM: Theres only 20 million people living in Australlia?
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on October 15, 2005, 05:57:31 PM: currenly 20,414,264 people here estimated growning population from march.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: mm on October 15, 2005, 06:28:42 PM: how many of those 20,414,264 say "g\'day mate!" ?
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: Bozco on October 15, 2005, 07:08:26 PM: meaning of cockhead

"so one who is stupid"

hahahaha
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: Avatarr on October 15, 2005, 07:55:38 PM: cunt heads
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on October 15, 2005, 08:37:13 PM: Quote
Originally posted by mm
how many of those 20,414,264 say "g\'day mate!" ?

donno, all of them would know what it means though.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: THX on October 15, 2005, 11:54:37 PM: Well in the States we say "Whaddup n!gga" so if you visit be sure to say it to be neighborly.

If for some reason they get all upset remind them that they never worked in the RMA department of some unknown Aussie computer store
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: Evi on October 16, 2005, 02:47:24 AM: Quote
Well in the States we say "Whaddup n!gga" so if you visit be sure to say it to be neighborly.
...ass kicking ensues...
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on October 16, 2005, 04:29:19 AM: Quote
Originally posted by THX
Well in the States we say "Whaddup n!gga" so if you visit be sure to say it to be neighborly.

If for some reason they get all upset remind them that they never worked in the RMA department of some unknown Aussie computer store

why say unknown? it\'s as if you\'re trying to say everyone knows american pc stores.. umm ok. :rolleyes:

and i\'ll be sure to walk into a nice coon neighbourhood and say Whaddup n!gga..

then i\'ll tell them THX sent me.

u wanna give me your forwarding address?.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: mm on October 16, 2005, 04:42:15 AM: coon?

i don\'t think a black person has been called a coon since the late 70\'s
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: Evi on October 16, 2005, 11:22:43 AM: Um..."coon". :rofl: WTF? That\'s a bad term to use...so be kind and STFU. Don\'t be a racist fuck. It isn\'t cool.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on October 16, 2005, 12:28:15 PM: umm Evi, go fuck yourself..
Thx was using a nice little racist comment so i used one just as bad with the same meaning. Noticed you didn\'t pick on him for it though. Saying Nigga ok with you?
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: Evi on October 16, 2005, 12:32:39 PM: I did make a comment to THX. I said you\'d get your ass kicked if you said that. At least that\'s what I meant by those three little words.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: mm on October 16, 2005, 01:02:04 PM: "nigga"?

thought they called them "abbos" in your area, soully
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on October 16, 2005, 11:07:53 PM: coons... or abbos.. i wasn\'t talking about my area though mm.
Title: PCI-Express or AGP?
Post by: Samwise on October 16, 2005, 11:18:32 PM: Lol... this thread has certainly gone down the crapper.

So to end it all - go with PCI-E. It\'s the new AGP. You can\'t upgrade to the newest gfx cards with AGP. And if there\'s something wrong with the card... send it back.