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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: GigaShadow on October 18, 2005, 10:57:14 AM
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I can now turn in Mystiq\'s parents! Will I get a reward too?
US security chief strives to expel all illegal immigrants
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said his department aims without exception to expel all those who enter the United States illegally.
"Our goal at DHS (Homeland Security) is to completely eliminate the \'catch and release\' enforcement problem, and return every single illegal entrant, no exceptions.
"It should be possible to achieve significant and measurable progress to this end in less than a year," Chertoff told a Senate hearing.
Thousands of "Mexicans who are caught entering the United States illegally are returned immediately to Mexico. But other parts of the system have nearly collapsed under the weight of numbers. The problem is especially severe for non-Mexicans apprehended at the southwest border," Chertoff explained.
"Today, a non-Mexican illegal immigrant caught trying to enter the United States across the southwest border has an 80 percent chance of being released immediately because we lack the holding facilities," he added.
"Through a comprehensive approach, we are moving to end this \'catch and release\' style of border enforcement by reengineering our detention and removal process."
Chertoff\'s remarks in favor of returning "every illegal entrant, no exceptions" appeared to conflict directly with the US policy toward illegal Cuban migrants.
Though Cubans picked up at sea are returned to their country, those who reach US soil by air, sea or ground are allowed to stay and work -- a fact Cuba says encourages dangerous illegal emigration attempts.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/10/18/051018154752.u9fj2ynj.html
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ermm even ones that have been living here for years though?
I understand extraditing all of the illegal n00bs though. We need to booby trap the Messican border, and especially the Canadian border as well.
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I would think that means even ones who have been here awhile. If they are illegal they get sent back. We shall see.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Though Cubans picked up at sea are returned to their country, those who reach US soil by air, sea or ground are allowed to stay and work -- a fact Cuba says encourages dangerous illegal emigration attempts.
so..cuba is saying..that their country or mexico is such a bad place to live, that the people have to make dangerous emigration attempts..so its our fault....lol
i think the whole \'send ALL the illegal immigrants back" is impossible. you cant nab them all..maybe they can be more strict or whatever..but people in desperation will find a way.
i dunno if i missed it, but what are they going to do besides sending them back and releasing them?
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Well, then expect to pay 4 bucks for a tomato then.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I can now turn in Mystiq\'s parents! Will I get a reward too?
:laughing:
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Miss Tique\'s parents need to be catapulted over the Rio Grand. :p
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<3 immigrants, <3 illegal immigration.
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What is there not to hate? They are a burden to our society. Some may argue that they provide cheap labor, but with this their children get free education and healthcare. In addition they do not pay taxes for any of this and send most of their money back to Mexico or wherever they came from. Who pays for their childrens free healthcare and education? We do.
This country is not the "horn o plenty" as some of you socialists would like to believe. We are not responsible for giving free handouts and jobs just because pedro lives in a piss poor country and wants a better life. Sorry, not our problem. Also, most don\'t speak English and don\'t bother learning because we haven\'t adopted an official language, which in turn leads to more tax money being spent to print documents and signs in their language.
And DH, if you love immigrants and illegal immigration why don\'t you immigrate somewhere else yourself.
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An illegal with two kids just got married into my family.
My cousin married him. My aunt fought with her until she signed a pre-nup, at least.
-Dan
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Send that sucka packing foo.
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They just caught somebody coming across the Niagara river here in buffalo with a boat full of chinese people and weed.... shame about the weed...
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
They just caught somebody coming across the Niagara river here in buffalo with a boat full of chinese people and weed.... shame about the weed...
They confiscated the weed? What the hell!
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do we have electric fences on the border? And whatever happened to razor wire?
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should shoot em then shoot the bodies at other people trying to sneak in then repeat the process
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so you ingrates that were born into US citizenship think you\'re better than anyone else?
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When you put it that way, it\'s like "yea who cares." But it\'s more of a taxes thing I guess.
On the other hand, mm, don\'t you? ;]
-Dan
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i\'m think i\'m quite fortunate to be born into US citizenship
millions of people take it for granted everyday, and most have never left the US. hell, i know people that have never stepped foot out of pittsburgh
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I had a post up there that got removed for some reason, but whatever.
I just could never think of people the way you do Giga, it comes off as heartless. Putting money before people, putting yourself above others as well. *shakes head*
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I would never send this back to Mexico
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Well I\'m fine for people immigrating legally, illegally is not good I understand why they do it and what there reasons are for doing it but I just don\'t think its right, thats why it\'s illegal.
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You should do what Australia does. Put them in prison camps and never let them go.
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I would never send this back to Mexico
Damn skippy. :)
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But I wouldn\'t mind her going south of the border ;)
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Buh-dum-pshh.
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Originally posted by JBean
I had a post up there that got removed for some reason, but whatever.
I just could never think of people the way you do Giga, it comes off as heartless. Putting money before people, putting yourself above others as well. *shakes head*
That is odd because I responded to your first post Jbean. WTH happened to it? I certainly didn\'t delete it.
As for you thinking I am heartless, so be it. I put the well being of this country and its legal residents above any wants or needs of foreigners who come here illegally. I am against the looting of America - ie. coming here illegally, working and sending that money back to whatever third world country they come from.
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Please, people, they\'re not illegal immigrants. We like to call them undocumented. People are so heartless sometimes.
By the way, I\'d like to rename them criminal immigrants :)
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I can see your point and can\'t really fault you for it. I didn\'t think you deleted my post earlier, it wasn\'t anything to get too upset over.
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I am not against legal immigration, but with that I wish learning English was a prerequisite. I think immigration is a good thing and brings fresh ideas and dreams to this country, but at the same time I despise groups that come and expect to keep their own culture/language by refusing to learn ours.
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but i thought you guys prefer that immigration doesn\'t matter legal or illegal keeps their culture or something than adapting to the place they migrate too?
No?
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Originally posted by Paul2
but i thought you guys prefer that immigration doesn\'t matter legal or illegal keeps their culture or something than adapting to the place they migrate too?
No?
What Giga means is that some people who come to this country expect the rest of us to bend to their cultural taboos. Such as not taking off their veil or borka when entering a secured building like a bank and such. Or like at school, when teachers hand out information for the students parents to read, some want it to be in a Spanish version coz they don\'t understand English.
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I think it\'s amazing that we STILL haven\'t adopted english as our offical language... WTH is up with that?
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Que?
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That\'s why my taxes keep rising everywhere I go and there\'s a document there\'s one next to it in Spanish, argh.
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do you guys think that might change in a decade or two from now? Since immigrants may have kids and their kids go to school and learn English?...
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English is the official language, its just not officially official. Damn them!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Paul2
do you guys think that might change in a decade or two from now? Since immigrants may have kids and their kids go to school and learn English?...
Legally (atleast here in NJ) if there is something like 6 kids who don\'t speak English but share the same language, the school must provide the classes in their language. So if 6 Iranian kids came to my old high school, they have to have their classes in Arabic. Its bullshit really. I hope that law gets overturned. Not sure if its federal or state though.
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Its gotta be state legislation, because its not like it here. State controls school laws
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I am not against legal immigration, but with that I wish learning English was a prerequisite. I think immigration is a good thing and brings fresh ideas and dreams to this country, but at the same time I despise groups that come and expect to keep their own culture/language by refusing to learn ours.
Well, we\'re having the same discussion here in the Netherlands.
The current Dutch government keep on stressing that Turkish & Maroccan immigrants should learn Dutch + immigration course. That\'s understandable when it comes to any immigrant.
But ! They really do single out those groups. There are also alot of immigrants from other countries in NL who fail to integrate just as worse ;
For example here at the Streamline Studios game company we have ppl from USA, Mexico, Germany, Sweden, UK etc. While they are all very well educated and intelligent, they totally fail to integrate. Their Dutch vocabulary is about 3 to 4 words on average while they live here already for years.
They\'re not illegally in NL, but the current right wing government (and various "groups") keeps to single out the Turkish and Maroccan immigrants, even if they\'re not illegally here.
I know, it\'s also a media \'thing\' and an ongoing society discussion. I\'m just saying that governments are very (wrong) selective to pick on which group of immigrants (usually from countries with Islamic backgrounds or of poverty) they stress to learn Dutch and such. (hey, that rhymes :D )
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And the Govt. here in the U.S singles out the Mexicans and Cubans, but those are the groups that are the one\'s primarily coming in illegally. It\'s like saying 85% of white people do something illegal specifically, thats singalling them out yes, but 8 out of 10 are doing it. Its a catch 22.
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that\'s playing smartass with words/terminology...
The overarching discussion is within society ; does an existing society accept newcomers and on what terms, regardless of origin.
society chooses a political government ; that is why casting a vote is important.
The context is and should be the legal/illegal determination of any immigrant and if legal, how he/she should be integrated in Dutch society.
Imo alot of current Dutch politicians and some general opinions are forgetting the fact that we have quite some USA, UK, German, Swedish etc immigrants here who are even more reluctant to properly integrate than alot of intelligent legal Maroccan & Turkish immigrants.
Shame on them.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
What Giga means is that some people who come to this country expect the rest of us to bend to their cultural taboos. Such as not taking off their veil or borka when entering a secured building like a bank and such. Or like at school, when teachers hand out information for the students parents to read, some want it to be in a Spanish version coz they don\'t understand English.
I\'ve never forced anybody to bend to my culture. It just happens. There is really nothing to know about American culture because I\'ve never *seen* "American culture" America doesn\'t have a "culture" America is known for the blend and mixes of different cultures, that is our culture.
That is Giga and Gman, unless you can tell me somethings about American culture that is specially an American thing.
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American Culture = blending of European Culture, Thanksgiving, 4th of July, Veteran\'s Day, barbeque, Blues, Jazz, R&B, Rock-n-Roll, muscle cars...and then there are states and cities with their own unique culture like Maine, New Orleans, Miami, New York City etc etc
What freakin rock do you live under, maricón?
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jazz and blues were 100% american created
no dirty european influences there