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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: mm on October 27, 2005, 12:21:45 PM
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Epic Games VP Mark Rein has unleashed stinging attacks on the Nintendo Revolution controller, the PS3 prototype controller and rivals Activision and Electronic Arts.
Speaking at an IGN Live event about the \'freestyle\' controller, Mark Rein told the audience: "Don\'t kid yourself - you\'re going to see more gimmicky, crappy, cheap, I-wish-I-hadn\'t-bought-it gimmick games based around that controller than you can ever possibly imagine.
"I guarantee you there\'s going to be lots of people who say the whole reason for this game is this controller, we made the perfect game for the controller. And all it\'ll be is about the controller, and not necessarily a great game."
That said, Rein continued, "Nintendo, you know, is going to make amazing games. I mean that\'s a given." Rein then conducted a quick audience survey to find out how many people present owned a GameCube - and found that rather a large number of hands were raised.
He then asked everyone who also owned a PS2 or Xbox to put their hands down - and concluded that under ten per cent of the audience were Cube owners only.
"Hard to make a business on less than 10 per cent," Rein said.
When asked if he could envisage an FPS controller that might beat the classic mouse and keyboard combination, Rein replied: "I could, but it\'s not the Nintendo Revolution controller... Didn\'t you see when Iwata-san held it up? The two controllers are the little wand controller and the other one is a joystick - and it\'s a joystick with a bunch of ribs under it.
"Remember the one that nearly destroyed your thumb on the Dreamcast, and on the N64 remember how after you played a game for a couple of hours you had to suck your thumb for a month? It\'s that kind of controller."
Another developer on the panel argued that the Revolution controller would indeed suit FPS games perfectly, but Rein stuck to his guns. Holding up an Xbox 360 pad, to whoops and cheers from the audience, he proclaimed: "This is the Xbox 360 controller, and there\'s nothing wrong with it.
"It works just fine for playing games, and it works fine for first-person shooter games, as evidenced by the fact that they sold more first-person shooters on consoles than anybody\'s ever sold on PCs."
Rein wouldn\'t be drawn on which next-generation console he prefers, telling the crowd: "Both of the next-generation consoles are great machines. They both have lots of power and they both have lots of memory... I don\'t think anybody\'s going to be disappointed with either of them."
With "either" and "both", Rein was referring to the Xbox 360 and PS3 - he said the Revolution didn\'t count since "most developers know nothing about the Nintendo system. They haven\'t gone and announced specs so I can\'t say.
"If you read the rumours apparently it\'s a great machine, but nobody really knows yet."
But as powerful as the PS3 may be, Rein is no fan of its controller, either - at least as far as the prototype\'s concerned.
"I don\'t think anybody knows what the PlayStation 3 controller looks like," he said.
"I think we all sure as hell pray like hell it\'s not that stupid-looking thing they showed at E3."
Rein also took the opportunity to take a potshot at his biggest rivals - who he claims are being far too grandiose when it comes to developing next-gen games.
"I\'ve heard EA and Activision make absolutely ridiculous statements about, \'Oh, it\'s going to take 30 million dollars to make a game and we need 300 people - that\'s just a bunch of bullsh--.
"They\'re just covering up for their own management and incompetence. Or mismanagement I should say.
"Our team size is only about 50 per cent higher than it was last generation, and we\'re making fantastic games. Gears of War [Epic\'s forthcoming Xbox 360 title] is only about 25 people, and that\'s smaller than most current-generation game teams."
the industry needs more people like this guy
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Never heard of Epic VP.
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RTFA!
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RTFA - Read The F***ing Article, go google
It says they\'re making Gears Of War. Does it say anything about their past experience?
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Epic Games VP - Epic Games Vice President.
He said nothing that I had not already said. Nintendo first party games will enjoy the benefits of this controller and any third party game will suffer.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
RTFA - Read The F***ing Article, go google
It says they\'re making Gears Of War. Does it say anything about their past experience?
The Unreal Tournament series.
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jumpman doesn\'t realize vidogames existed before 8/2002
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I hate unrealistic shooters. :p
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hehehe pretty funny
Funny as it may be though, if Mario is a launch game and it gets rave reviews, the Rev will be the only console this generation that I\'ll get on day 1. I\'m Nintendo starved at the moment, getting a bit tired of all the FPS\'s
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"Remember the one that nearly destroyed your thumb on the Dreamcast, and on the N64 remember how after you played a game for a couple of hours you had to suck your thumb for a month? It\'s that kind of controller."
That\'s really...shitty. It\'s really bad when someone makes a comment like that and you know exactly what they\'re talking about. I hated the N64 controller with a passion.
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I hate unrealistic shooters
Funny I am the opposite.
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You unhate realistic non-shooters
my head hurts :crap:
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I\'m not following the logic of not including people who own another console AND the gamecube as the Nintendo market.
I would think mm would be the first person to paint this dude as talking out of his ass. You mean to tell me that a person who is developing a game for one next-gen console said something bad about the other next-gen consoles?!?! STOP THE PRESSES!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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the truth hurts, eh?
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Damn. I forgot about the remote...err....controller. Atari\'s made more sense.
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i\'ve been against the Revolution controller since it was revealed...
god damn it, if it aint broke, don\'t fix it... what happened to the simple days of NES and SNES?
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Sony happened. Now Nintendo has to find ways to set itself apart from convention, lest gaming be doomed. Doomed to rot as it goes through the motions again and again.
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
I hated the N64 controller with a passion.
N64 controller + GoldenEye 007 = rules ! :thepimp:
I loved it. I think the Rev controller + thumbstick add on would be great for fps games as well. I mean, has Rein actually played an fps game with the Rev controller !?
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Wonder how big the check was that Bill Gates wrote to this guy?
That said, Rein continued, "Nintendo, you know, is going to make amazing games. I mean that\'s a given." Rein then conducted a quick audience survey to find out how many people present owned a GameCube - and found that rather a large number of hands were raised.
"Hard to make a business on less than 10 per cent," Rein said.
Stupid ass.
Maybe if he spent less time sucking his thumb and more time paying attention to what\'s actually going on around him.
on the N64 remember how after you played a game for a couple of hours you had to suck your thumb for a month?
Can\'t say I remember that, no.
Um.
K.
-Dan
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FANBOI!!111111111111 :p
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The video was quite funny, at the end it looked like Matt was ready to cry. Notice his body movement when Mark starts bashing away at Nintendo, Matt can’t sit still for a second, you can almost see the fury inside him. :laughing:
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I never had a problem with my thumb on the N64 controller.
The space between my thumb and my index finger.. maybe. I recall there being an unsmooth edge in the plastic that bothered me a little.
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I always used to use the d-pad whenever I could because the surface on the analog stick was made of circular knives.
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You guys obviously didn\'t play Bond enough if you don\'t know the thumb problem he\'s talking about.
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I played it all the time. I never had a problem with the thumb. Sometimes the old joysticks wouldn\'t control as well as they did when they were new, though.
Older style D-Pads are what tear up yer thumbs. Remember getting the little arrow indent on your thumb?
-Dan
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the N64 controller has a d-pad?
i thought it was there for decoration
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I never had a problem with the old d-pads. The worst for me was Mario Party on 64. Thanks for playin\' thumb
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did anyone hold it from the chord end and pretend it was a ninja sai? :}
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No.
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Quick question. Why is this guys opinion more valid than the developers who said they liked the controller?
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It isn\'t more valid. It\'s just that Epic\'s a big name in the industry.
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Yeah, now they are. Back when they basically had just the Unreal series and a bunch of old-school shareware games to their credit.. I wouldn\'t hold them even close in comparison to some of the Japanese devs that like Revolution.
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back when they \'had a bunch of shareware\' games, they and apogee were like the the only competition out there for the early PC graphical games, and virtually everyone I knew then had played Jazz Jackrabbit, Castle of the Winds, Zargon, Solar Winds, Silverball plus, Zone 66... They had some pretty good titles, for a company who sold their games for 10 bucks. While they went through some tough times in th late 90s, they\'ve made a full comback, starting with Age of Wonders in 1999, and are bigger than ever now.
In any event, they\'ve been around a long time, and have a core of hardcore gamer/developers that you shouldn\'t be so quick to dismiss.
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Well, they\'d still be wrong to knock the revolution controller.
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Originally posted by Avatarr
Well, they\'d still be wrong to knock the revolution controller.
prematurely.....
He\'s probably right that there will be some games which\'ll be mediocre, becuz of gimmicky gamedesign purely based on the controller instead of a good game idea.
Of course, rotten apples can be found anywhere.
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I know that Epic\'s had a good run. I own Jazz Jackrabbit and a few of their other titles (including Unreal, UT, and UT2K4) but even with their history.. they still don\'t hold a candle to Konami, Capcom, or even Namco yet.
Also, Age of Wonders is by Triumph Studios with Epic Games. Collaboration, mostly Triumph.
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You have Jazz Jackrapit?I tried to play it on newer computers and it didnt work :confused:
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getting a lot of old dos games to run is an art, one I\'ve taken up, cause I still play moo, mom, etc, once in a while. Try the home of the underdogs (google it), and there are lots of tips on making old stuff work on new systems.
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Ok thanks :)
I ll try it
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Damn it I cant get it to work :mad:
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http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/
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Originally posted by Blade
Yeah, now they are. Back when they basically had just the Unreal series and a bunch of old-school shareware games to their credit.. I wouldn\'t hold them even close in comparison to some of the Japanese devs that like Revolution.
Perhaps because they\'re American and don\'t suck Japanese Nintendo wang? :p
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Oooo, yeah! Konami sucks a lot of Nintendo wang!
Sons of bitches won\'t port Castlevania to the GameCube, peh.
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Originally posted by mm
http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/
It works now
Thank you thank you thank you thank you :) :bounce: :bounce: :dance: :wav2:
How I miss the old Dos days.Thanks man.Atlast!!How much I longed this day
Did I say thank you?
THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUU :)
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Looks good to me. Haters! :mad:
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcontinuous-play.com%2Fimages%2Fjune05%2Frevolution4ay.jpg&hash=66babe9ff3d795f4707eb32b1cd7adfde75d55c7)
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That would suck.
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lol what we people do if big n showed that at E3? :laughing:
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Did the Epic VP slam the controller or did he drop it like its hot?
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I think that controller is a good idea. Nintendo is looking millions of years into the future when we evolve 50 fingers.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Did the Epic VP slam the controller or did he drop it like its hot?
hahaha
Whenever my bf cooks something in the microwave he says eat while it\'s hoooooot
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^^^
Erm...what?
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Nintendo has a way of exposing latent homosexuals.
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Apparently.