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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: hyper on October 30, 2005, 05:20:10 PM
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/30/AR2005103000348.html
Obviously not the blow Democrats were hoping for. IMO, the loss of Libby won\'t really affect the administration. Although if Libby did perjure to defend his boss, as some news sources have indicated, Cheney might be in for a rough ride.
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They are both guilty and belong in prison
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Can anyone tell me why this is getting so much press? Just because a CIA operative has been uncovered?
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It\'s the kind of leak that had it happened to, say an agent in the field, would result not only in their death, but possible comprimising of entire cells and major international incedents. Even if I don\'t like much about the heavily controlling US government, I do understand the need to keep some things secret, and spy identities are one of those things.
As I understand it, the identity was leaked as a \'reprisal\' for political views, and that\'s a most unacceptable reason to do that.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
They are both guilty and belong in prison
Really? Without a fair trial?
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Fair trials are over rated.
Note my sarcasm. I\'m sure they will get a fair trial and it would be interesting to see how this plays out.
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Originally posted by Ace
Really? Without a fair trial?
Yes, since it would be difficult to get a fair trial for one of the most powerful man in America.
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If things happened that way, people would start just disappearing.
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He\'s the puppet master of this administration, it\'s a *tad* different from your every day trial.
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First of all Libby wasn\'t indicted for outing a CIA agent. The best the prosecution could come up with is he lied to a grand jury regarding what he told reporters - not for outing a CIA agent.
Secondly, Clinton did the exact same thing and committed perjury before a grand jury. After 2 years of investigating Fitzgerald has nothing.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
First of all Libby wasn\'t indicted for outing a CIA agent. The best the prosecution could come up with is he lied to a grand jury regarding what he told reporters - not for outing a CIA agent.
Secondly, Clinton did the exact same thing and committed perjury before a grand jury. After 2 years of investigating Fitzgerald has nothing.
So, is that your defense?
"Clinton did it too!"
Nice. Cheney\'s head WILL be ours!
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
First of all Libby wasn\'t indicted for outing a CIA agent. The best the prosecution could come up with is he lied to a grand jury regarding what he told reporters - not for outing a CIA agent.
I am puzzled by your interpretation.
"The core issues of the indictment were how Mr Libby knew Ms Plame’s status, what he said to reporters, and how he described these facts to the grand jury. According to Mr Fitzgerald’s summation, Mr Libby claimed, to the FBI and under oath to the grand jury, to be at the end of a gossip chain, passing what he heard from reporters on to other reporters without substantiation. But in fact, the indictment alleges, Mr Libby learned what he knew from Mr Cheney and other administration officials. The indictment details seven alleged discussions Mr Libby had with officials about Ms Plame. The nub is this: Mr Libby claimed to be “taken aback” to learn, from reporters, that Ms Plame worked for the CIA. In fact, he was the first to put that information to the media."(http://www.economist.com/agenda/displaystory.cfm?story_id=5104737 )
If Libby was aware of Plane\'s status and passed it on to reporters, how was he not blowing her cover?
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Originally posted by hyper
I am puzzled by your interpretation.
If Libby was aware of Plane\'s status and passed it on to reporters, how was he not blowing her cover?
Again what was he charged with hyper? Not outing a CIA agent. Then again I could go into how she really wasn\'t an undercover agent at all and how Joe Wilson said he was sent to Niger by Cheney\'s office when in fact he was recommened to the CIA by his wife... It is not too hard to wonder why the Vice Presidents office would look into this matter when they never sent Wilson on a tea sipping expedition in the first place.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
So, is that your defense?
"Clinton did it too!"
Nice. Cheney\'s head WILL be ours!
To Mystiq: Happy Anniversary!
Courtesy of the Yahoo Message Boards.
Happy Anniversary Libturds!!
by: formyduval1 (35/M) 11/02/05 12:03 pm
Msg: 32 of 166
6 recommendations
Happy anniversary all you little libturds and
irrelevant Canadian pre-people! This is your sweet
little 12:02 P.M. reminder that NOTHING in all the
vastness of the universe will change the election
results of November 2, 2004.
November 2nd--that sacred day! As we celebrate the one
year anniversary we invite you libturds to take a
stroll with us down memory lane. Think back to that
day just a year ago. You awoke giddy with anticipation of voting Dubya
out of office. Full of confidence, grinning from ear
to ear, some of you even took the day off from your
union jobs. At the polling places you chatted with
likeminded libturds and the prospect of a Kerry
victory had you in almost continual orgasmic paroxysms
throughout the day.
Some of you invited libturd friends over to watch
election results on TV. You stocked up on alcoholic
beverages for the inevitable celebration. You ordered
in pizza.
And then the voting results began to trickle in. At
first there were no big surprises. States that always
vote libturd went libturd and states that always do
the right thing did the right thing. But then, in
Florida, something didn\'t look just right. Dubya
seemed to be ahead by a larger margin than you were
comfortable with. But when Pennsylvania was called for
libturds it gave you momentary solace.
Then as the minutes trickled by you had those first
pangs of self-doubt. The results, although early, just
weren\'t what you were expecting. Some states that you
hoped would vote libturd were being called for Dubya.
And then the first true bitchslap hit you squarely.
FLORIDA WAS CALLED FOR DUBYA. And there were even more ominous
portents of catastrophe. Although only a few precincts
were reporting, Ohio wasn\'t looking good. Algore
states like Iowa and New Mexico were not looking good.
Finally several media outlets called Ohio for Dubya
and your libturd hearts sank. That gave him 269 Electoral votes. And while several western states would almost certainly go to Kerry, there sat Alaska, like a giant guillotine that would shortly cut your libturd dicks off and you were powerless to prevent it. Seeing the heavily Republican Alaska still not called was, for libturds, like falling out of a skyscraper and seeing the pavement below, with nothing that could prevent your being smashed into a bloody pile of unrecognizable flesh.
In our minds\' eyes we see your fists pounding on coffee tables shouting NO! NO! NO!
We see the cold slices of uneaten pizza lying in front
of you, your appetites now gone.
We imagine the looks of shock and dismay on the faces
of such creatures as George Soros, Matt Damon, Barbra
Streisand, Alec Baldwin, and others that spent a fortune of their
own money to try to defeat Dubya.
We see people interviewed at the "Kerry Celebration
Party." They seem dazed, walking around like zombies."
Reporters describe the mood there as "subdued."
We imagine the rage that must have pulsated through the
heart of TerRORza Heinz-Kerry. We imagine the shock of
her husband Lurch. Even earlier in the day the Drudge
report had claimed that exit polls showed him winning
and winning big! What on earth could have happened?
They\'d spent millions. But they didn\'t count on the
Swift Boat Veterans.
The booze that you bought for celebration was used
instead to put you into drunken stupors as you waddled
to you beds in shock and abject disappointment in the
early hours.
Yes, November 2, 2004 was an awesome, wonderful night!
Let all those memories saturate your minds today while
Dubya\'s famous smirk taunts you with his victory and
your defeat.
And let the spectre of an ultra-conservative Supreme Court cause you unquenchable anxiety.
He\'s Dubya. And all across the fruited plain he is
wiping your libturd butts with sandpaper.
If you didn\'t get the point of that in context to the Democrats behavior of late I will make it simple. GWB won the election exactly one year ago today and no matter how badly you wish it were not so, it is and there is nothing you can do about it.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
To Mystiq: Happy Anniversary!
Courtesy of the Yahoo Message Boards.
Happy Anniversary Libturds!!
by: formyduval1 (35/M) 11/02/05 12:03 pm
Msg: 32 of 166
6 recommendations
Happy anniversary all you little libturds and
irrelevant Canadian pre-people! This is your sweet
little 12:02 P.M. reminder that NOTHING in all the
vastness of the universe will change the election
results of November 2, 2004.
November 2nd--that sacred day! As we celebrate the one
year anniversary we invite you libturds to take a
stroll with us down memory lane. Think back to that
day just a year ago. You awoke giddy with anticipation of voting Dubya
out of office. Full of confidence, grinning from ear
to ear, some of you even took the day off from your
union jobs. At the polling places you chatted with
likeminded libturds and the prospect of a Kerry
victory had you in almost continual orgasmic paroxysms
throughout the day.
Some of you invited libturd friends over to watch
election results on TV. You stocked up on alcoholic
beverages for the inevitable celebration. You ordered
in pizza.
And then the voting results began to trickle in. At
first there were no big surprises. States that always
vote libturd went libturd and states that always do
the right thing did the right thing. But then, in
Florida, something didn\'t look just right. Dubya
seemed to be ahead by a larger margin than you were
comfortable with. But when Pennsylvania was called for
libturds it gave you momentary solace.
Then as the minutes trickled by you had those first
pangs of self-doubt. The results, although early, just
weren\'t what you were expecting. Some states that you
hoped would vote libturd were being called for Dubya.
And then the first true bitchslap hit you squarely.
FLORIDA WAS CALLED FOR DUBYA. And there were even more ominous
portents of catastrophe. Although only a few precincts
were reporting, Ohio wasn\'t looking good. Algore
states like Iowa and New Mexico were not looking good.
Finally several media outlets called Ohio for Dubya
and your libturd hearts sank. That gave him 269 Electoral votes. And while several western states would almost certainly go to Kerry, there sat Alaska, like a giant guillotine that would shortly cut your libturd dicks off and you were powerless to prevent it. Seeing the heavily Republican Alaska still not called was, for libturds, like falling out of a skyscraper and seeing the pavement below, with nothing that could prevent your being smashed into a bloody pile of unrecognizable flesh.
In our minds\' eyes we see your fists pounding on coffee tables shouting NO! NO! NO!
We see the cold slices of uneaten pizza lying in front
of you, your appetites now gone.
We imagine the looks of shock and dismay on the faces
of such creatures as George Soros, Matt Damon, Barbra
Streisand, Alec Baldwin, and others that spent a fortune of their
own money to try to defeat Dubya.
We see people interviewed at the "Kerry Celebration
Party." They seem dazed, walking around like zombies."
Reporters describe the mood there as "subdued."
We imagine the rage that must have pulsated through the
heart of TerRORza Heinz-Kerry. We imagine the shock of
her husband Lurch. Even earlier in the day the Drudge
report had claimed that exit polls showed him winning
and winning big! What on earth could have happened?
They\'d spent millions. But they didn\'t count on the
Swift Boat Veterans.
The booze that you bought for celebration was used
instead to put you into drunken stupors as you waddled
to you beds in shock and abject disappointment in the
early hours.
Yes, November 2, 2004 was an awesome, wonderful night!
Let all those memories saturate your minds today while
Dubya\'s famous smirk taunts you with his victory and
your defeat.
And let the spectre of an ultra-conservative Supreme Court cause you unquenchable anxiety.
He\'s Dubya. And all across the fruited plain he is
wiping your libturd butts with sandpaper.
If you didn\'t get the point of that in context to the Democrats behavior of late I will make it simple. GWB won the election exactly one year ago today and no matter how badly you wish it were not so, it is and there is nothing you can do about it.
OK...
Clinton has been out of office for sometime now and you still bring him up constantly.
And about the rest of your post(which I did not read)...I didn\'t even notice.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
OK...
Clinton has been out of office for sometime now and you still bring him up constantly.
And about the rest of your post(which I did not read)...I didn\'t even notice.
Hey Dimwit - the 2004 election... you know the one with John F. Kerry vs. George W. Bush was exactly one year ago today. WTF are you bringing Clinton up for? Where did I mention the election of 2000?
You claim you can think? :lmao:
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
First of all Libby wasn\'t indicted for outing a CIA agent. The best the prosecution could come up with is he lied to a grand jury regarding what he told reporters - not for outing a CIA agent.
Secondly, Clinton did the exact same thing and committed perjury before a grand jury. After 2 years of investigating Fitzgerald has nothing.
YOU brought him up.
...I know what happened in 2004...I just did not take time to notice that today was the anniversary?
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And you addressed it - already - your mind is stuck on one post earlier up in the thread. Guess you can\'t defend that either eh? Hypocrite.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
And you addressed it - already - your mind is stuck on one post earlier up in the thread. Guess you can\'t defend that either eh? Hypocrite.
I addressed your argument that if Clinton didn\'t then we should just STFU and let the current government do it also.
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No it is hypocritical to make this such a big issue when its not. Clinton\'s purgury wasn\'t a big deal either, yet those like you who hate Bush are drooling over this as if it were some huge scandal. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
No it is hypocritical to make this such a big issue when its not. Clinton\'s purgury wasn\'t a big deal either, yet those like you who hate Bush are drooling over this as if it were some huge scandal. :rolleyes:
Maybe because it is a huge scandal?
"As I understand it, the identity was leaked as a \'reprisal\' for political views, and that\'s a most unacceptable reason to do that."
Is that not very big? A top government official releasing secret information in order to taint the credibility of an opponent?
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First of all it wasn\'t leaked and it was common knowledge around DC that Plames wife was in the CIA. Where is the scandal? The hype is all because of the rabid left\'s hatred for the administration. If anyone outed Plame it was her husband.
Wilson claims that all this publicity has jeopardized his wifes safety, but has the audacity to pose with her for a Vanity Fair photo spread? Give me a fucking break.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
First of all it wasn\'t leaked and it was common knowledge around DC that Plames wife was in the CIA. Where is the scandal? The hype is all because of the rabid left\'s hatred for the administration. If anyone outed Plame it was her husband.
Wilson claims that all this publicity has jeopardized his wifes safety, but has the audacity to pose with her for a Vanity Fair photo spread? Give me a fucking break.
I do not see how you can claim Wilson outed his wife. It may have been "common knowledge" that Plame was an ordinary CIA agent. However, her covert status did not become common knowledge until the publication of Novak\'s article. Although she was safely based in Virginia at the time, the article still blew her cover.
Libby\'s crime was perjury, making false statements, and obstruction of justice, the same exact charges that hyperventilating Republicans brought against Clinton. Before you start criticizing the rabidness of the left on this issue, consider for a moment the minority party that compared a president\'s sexual fling to Watergate.
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Sitting behind a desk at Langley is not covert. Any fool could park a car outside the gates and watch who goes in and out.
As I have said for the fiftieth time I don\'t think what Clinton did was worthy of impeachment. Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am not being a hypocrite on this - merely explaining that I think neither were a big issue.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Sitting behind a desk at Langley is not covert. Any fool could park a car outside the gates and watch who goes in and out.
That is irrelevant. Her status was officially covert. Driving home the point:
"Mr Fitzgerald responded in a press conference on Friday that people who work undercover for their country need to know that they will not be unmasked lightly, and that when their cover is blown it is crucial that officials co-operate with any investigation. Failure to do so amounts to a breach of public trust."
As I have said for the fiftieth time I don\'t think what Clinton did was worthy of impeachment. Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am not being a hypocrite on this - merely explaining that I think neither were a big issue.
Agreed. You were implying that only the Democrats could be "whiny, insignificant" and so unreasonably rabid. By admitting that the Lewinsky affair was not a big issue, you have conceded that Republicans can be just as bitchy. Point made.
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In recent developments...
Journalist god Bob Woodward reveals Valarie Plame\'s name was also leaked to him by a "top administrative" official of the Bush administration, but not Libby.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-11-19-woodward-source_x.htm
They\'ve got Libby McFibby, but I have a feeling he only took the fall for a higher-up official.
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That avatar receives my vote for the most revolting avatar ever. *blrrghh*