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\'Party trumps race\' for Steele foes
S.A. Miller
Washington Times
November 2, 2005
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Black Democratic leaders in Maryland say that racially tinged attacks against Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele in his bid for the U.S. Senate are fair because he is a conservative Republican.
Such attacks against the first black man to win a statewide election in Maryland include pelting him with Oreo cookies during a campaign appearance, calling him an "Uncle Tom" and depicting him as a black-faced minstrel on a liberal Web log.
Operatives for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) also obtained a copy of his credit report -- the only Republican candidate so targeted.
But black Democrats say there is nothing wrong with "pointing out the obvious."
"There is a difference between pointing out the obvious and calling someone names," said a campaign spokesman for Kweisi Mfume, a Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate and former president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
State Sen. Lisa A. Gladden, a black Baltimore Democrat, said she does not expect her party to pull any punches, including racial jabs at Mr. Steele, in the race to replace retiring Democratic U.S. Sen. Paul S. Sarbanes.
"Party trumps race, especially on the national level," she said. "If you are bold enough to run, you have to take whatever the voters are going to give you. It\'s democracy, perhaps at its worse, but it is democracy."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20051101-104932-4054r.htm
Democrats - The party of diversity and tolerance????
:lmao:
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oreos lol
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Silly democrats. I gotta email this to my friend. She\'s real big in the democratic party. I think she\'ll get a kick out of it :p
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
\'Party trumps race\' for Steele foes
S.A. Miller
Washington Times
November 2, 2005
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Black Democratic leaders in Maryland say that racially tinged attacks against Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele in his bid for the U.S. Senate are fair because he is a conservative Republican.
Such attacks against the first black man to win a statewide election in Maryland include pelting him with Oreo cookies during a campaign appearance, calling him an "Uncle Tom" and depicting him as a black-faced minstrel on a liberal Web log.
Operatives for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) also obtained a copy of his credit report -- the only Republican candidate so targeted.
But black Democrats say there is nothing wrong with "pointing out the obvious."
"There is a difference between pointing out the obvious and calling someone names," said a campaign spokesman for Kweisi Mfume, a Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate and former president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
State Sen. Lisa A. Gladden, a black Baltimore Democrat, said she does not expect her party to pull any punches, including racial jabs at Mr. Steele, in the race to replace retiring Democratic U.S. Sen. Paul S. Sarbanes.
"Party trumps race, especially on the national level," she said. "If you are bold enough to run, you have to take whatever the voters are going to give you. It\'s democracy, perhaps at its worse, but it is democracy."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20051101-104932-4054r.htm
Democrats - The party of diversity and tolerance????
:lmao:
For the most part...
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
For the most part...
You are just as bad as the people in the article Mystiq. Alberto Gonzalez isn\'t a "real hispanic" - isn\'t that what you said? You disgust me.
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black on black crime composes what percentage of all violent crime again?
they dont even like each other
/shrug
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Like 80%. At least.
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It\'s actually 1%
*runs away*
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
For the most part...
Way to make every single post you ever posted instantly come off more worthless than it already did.
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Originally posted by Bozco
Way to make every single post you ever posted instantly come off more worthless than it already did.
Wow...
I didn\'t have time to fully respond.
Why would you want to promote somebody, based on race and solely based on race, that is not willing to help out that very community in which the votes are supposed to be won?
For example, Alberto. He is a Hispanic, but the fact that he was being adverstised and touted for the fact that was Hispanic made me sick. Sick because people think that sticking a Hispanic, black or asian in an election will automatically earn the votes of the ethnicity they represent. If the community does not feel like the candidate represent them well enough and the candidate uses their race as a leading factor, then the community has every right to be against the candidate.
And because the race of the candidate is always made into an issue with the Republican party, if the candidate does not reflect the needs of the black, hispanic or asian community for example, then the candidate is a false. And race should have nothing to do with what he represents and is willing to fight for. Unless that is, it is made into and issue which was the case for Albert and Steele.
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Gonzalez is very qualified and has had a long working relationship with Bush. I couldn\'t care less that he is Hispanic, but it is people like you that call him a sell out.
Why is it when someone is successful, a minority and conservative - they are a sell out? Democrats are the truley racist party here in the US. They think every black/minority should vote for them regardless and they offer no solutions for minorities to become self reliant and instead offer more welfare programs, where as Republicans encourage them to better themselves through education and work. When a race card is played in politics is almost always the Democrats who do so.
To say they don\'t represent their community is ignorant. Rice grew up poor and she MADE something of herself and should be an inspiration to her community - instead they spurn her because she got an education and worked for her place in society - something they think should be handed to them.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Gonzalez is very qualified and has had a long working relationship with Bush. I couldn\'t care less that he is Hispanic, but it is people like you that call him a sell out.
Why is it when someone is successful, a minority and conservative - they are a sell out? Democrats are the truley racist party here in the US. They think every black/minority should vote for them regardless and they offer no solutions for minorities to become self reliant and instead offer more welfare programs, where as Republicans encourage them to better themselves through education and work. When a race card is played in politics is almost always the Democrats who do so.
I think Democrats think that way because most minorities tend to lean to the Democrats. And they are the ones that offer welfare and medicaid most often and that is another important issue for many minorities.
When somebody is a minority, succesful and a conservative they are viewed as a sell out. Why? Most minorities view the Republican party as the party for the rich and white. The Republican party is the one attacking welfare and medicare most often and that is another imporant issue to the minority community.
I agree that in order to grow education and work is the only way to get it but I think that it is right for the government to give out some help. Of course, I don\'t approve of those that live off the government, but the overall positive results(and there are alot) overshadow the negative ones.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
When somebody is a minority, succesful and a conservative they are viewed as a sell out. Why? Most minorities view the Republican party as the party for the rich and white. The Republican party is the one attacking welfare and medicare most often and that is another imporant issue to the minority community.
Rich and white eh? Like the Kennedy\'s, the Clintons, the Rockefellers and the Heinz Kerry\'s?
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Why are those only important to the minority? Does the white man not want medicare or welfare?
The thing is republicans see wasted money in those programs when it could be going to schools. There however are some good welfare programs, but the people that abuse it ruin it at the same time.
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It is not so much abuse as it is a crutch. Republicans want to empower people to be self reliant. Democrats want to keep giving free handouts.
This also goes with the "blame slavery, the white man, etc." attitude with the black leaders in this country. It is a shame that people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are the so called leaders of the black community as I think they do more harm than good.
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Someday black people will be attacking liberals because they help feed into that mindset.
It should piss people off!!!
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I can see racist imbeciles, like Miss Tique, throwing Orea Cookies.
I bet Miss Tique will call a hispanic female married to a rich white man a sell out.
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Originally posted by Ace
Someday black people will be attacking liberals because they help feed into that mindset.
It should piss people off!!!
If I were black it sure as hell would piss me off that liberals have tried to paint my race into a corner and I should do what they expect. Of course having a mind of my own and wanting to be successful in life I would be labeled an Uncle Tom.
I think the problem is what I referred to earlier - the black leadership who panders to that mindset. There is absolutely no reason blacks or any other minority in this country can\'t succeed. I have a feeling that it is their own leadership that wish to keep them trapped in their dependency on welfare and their lack of education by blaming it all on racism. This of course is due to money these leaders receive from certain action groups. In my opinion it is criminal.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
I can see racist imbeciles, like Miss Tique, throwing Orea Cookies.
I bet Miss Tique will call a hispanic female married to a rich white man a sell out.
They clean a mean toilet, you gotta admit...
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I have a feeling that it is their own leadership that wish to keep them trapped in their dependency on welfare and their lack of education by blaming it all on racism.
Of course. Jesse would be out of a job ;)
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
They clean a mean toilet, you gotta admit...
It\'s their lot in life. *ducks* :D
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The Economist is right on the mark as usual on this:
http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=2910178
An excellent, excellent article.
All this suggests that Mr Cosby is on the right track. Researchers routinely explain Asian children\'s success in terms of Asian cultural values. So why not admit that black children are failing because their culture undervalues success at school—because so many black children dream of becoming sports stars rather than professors, because bookish black children are stigmatised for “acting white”, and because almost half of black ten-year-olds spend five hours or more each day watching television?
Mr Cosby\'s diagnosis of black failure has another great merit. It comes with a remedy attached. Black America once had a flourishing tradition of self-help: the tradition of Frederick Douglass, who was born into slavery but became one of the great orators of his age, and of the army of self-educated blacks who came after him. This tradition was obscured during the civil-rights era as black leaders concentrated on dismantling the machinery of discrimination. But blacks desperately need to revive Douglass\'s belief in “self-cultivation” if the civil-rights revolution is to amount to something more than a hollow legal shell.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Why are those only important to the minority? Does the white man not want medicare or welfare?
The thing is republicans see wasted money in those programs when it could be going to schools. There however are some good welfare programs, but the people that abuse it ruin it at the same time.
There are more white ppl on welfare than they are black. They just only seem to mention minorities all the time. Go figure.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
There are more white ppl on welfare than they are black. They just only seem to mention minorities all the time. Go figure.
Are you basing that on percentages?
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Blacks comprise only 12 percent of the nation, they comprise 37 percent of the welfare rolls.
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DO THE MATH
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Originally posted by Bozco
Are you basing that on percentages?
Numbers. :)
I wonder how many Asians are on welfare. How come it\'s always Black/White/Hispanic? Asians are truly the invisible race.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Numbers. :)
wtf? same thing
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i really don\'t want to discuss this, as it\'s been done a million times already..yes it\'s possible for afri americans to be successful, but let\'s not be blinded here...afri americans will always have to work twice as hard for that job or house so don\'t fool yourself...i don\'t care how much education you have or how much money you have...some institutions will still look at that successful black person and still see nigger...
there\'s a reason affirnative action is in place....because there are still racist white people in area\'s of power that need to be checked period. do i wish we had affirmative action?..no but it\'s needed...as far as black people callin\' successful blacks sellouts? i\'ll only call them that only if they talk down to where they came from..they act like they are better than any other hardworking afri american workin\' in tha same hood that they came from...
i\'d be happy if any of my menz became really sucssesful,..but for them to do a total 360 on me? i\'d have to take those tight ass khakis offa him and hit him upside the head with a pair of tims and some baggy jeans....
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I don\'t think that\'s true. That black people perceive they are at a unique disadvantage is what holds them back. Racism applies to all minorities. Nothing prevents a black student from acing the SATs, climbing up the GPA ladder, or writing good college essays. He has only to judge where his priorities lie and apply the drive. It may be harder for black people to attain the highest positions in his chosen profession, as it is for all minorities, but that does not explain their poor performance in education. You did not want to discuss this clips, and I know as an outsider I may be making unqualified assumptions, so I apologize in advance.
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how about generations of victim mentality? If all you knew was "it\'s whitey\'s fault", then what would motivate you?
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In my opinion,
why the poor are still poor may have to do with that their parents are poor to begins with. Say if you come from a poor family, you have a higher chances of being poor in the future as you grow to adulthood and have a job.
Part of it have to do with upbringing, poor neighborhood, and dangerous and dirty place they lived in. Also, if your parents graduate high school or college, than their kids have a higher chances of graduating hs and college too in the future.
I believe it\'s more challenging for poor kids to be successful than middle class and rich kids because of the place they were raise. This apply to all races, not just one specific race.
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I grew up poor. We were denied welfare (which was a last-ditch effort, as my father refused to do it until we had no choice. This was in 1980, when he was laid off from GM for 5 years...) What did we do? we raised chickens and traded them to other local farmers for cabbage and milk and corn, etc. We didn\'t steal things from people.
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
I grew up poor. We were denied welfare (which was a last-ditch effort, as my father refused to do it until we had no choice. This was in 1980, when he was laid off from GM for 5 years...) What did we do? we raised chickens and traded them to other local farmers for cabbage and milk and corn, etc. We didn\'t steal things from people.
I pimped you out and you made lots of money that way.
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Originally posted by hyper
I don\'t think that\'s true. That black people perceive they are at a unique disadvantage is what holds them back. Racism applies to all minorities. Nothing prevents a black student from acing the SATs, climbing up the GPA ladder, or writing good college essays. He has only to judge where his priorities lie and apply the drive. It may be harder for black people to attain the highest positions in his chosen profession, as it is for all minorities, but that does not explain their poor performance in education. You did not want to discuss this clips, and I know as an outsider I may be making unqualified assumptions, so I apologize in advance.
chizz, hyper and paul....like i stated earlier this has been done a million times there\'s a thread floatin\' around here about what bill cosby said about afri americans..and for the most part he\'s right. i don\'t blame the white man for holdin us back :p and i also stated it\'s possible for afri americans to be succesful...as far as poor test grades that applies to the individual and this is across the board....you make it sound as if the majority of afri americans get poor test scores....all i\'m sayin is that racism still exists and even when you have that degree it will always be twice as hard for african americans...that\'s just a fact...i\'ve mentioned in another thread that some afri americans need to stop depending on the gov\'t for everything and get off their ass and get a job....some people are just lazy period whether they\'re black or white...
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White ppl don\'t understand shit about black people. All they do is judge off of stereotypes. They know nothing. They get a couple of black friends and think they can relate to any black person.
All white ppl do is judge and sterotype. It\'s a shame. And sellout has nothing to do with being successful. It\'s more on the line where clips is coming from. It\'s the one\'s that act like they are so much better than those that are from when they came from.
You say do the math. You do the fucking math. Just because you live in a suburban nieghborhood you think that there aren\'t millions of poor white trash living off food stamps? GTFOH pisses me off the way some ppl talk about culture of people they don\'t know shit about.
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White ppl don\'t understand shit about black people. All they do is judge off of stereotypes. They know nothing. They get a couple of black friends and think they can relate to any black person.
Blanket statements don\'t help arguements.
All white ppl do is judge and sterotype. It\'s a shame.
You\'re creating a stereotype. Again...blanket statement.
I do understand the ignorance that\'s bothering you though. I see it every day. :/
Times have changed. I still can\'t believe things were the way they were back in the days of Rosa Parks...and it\'s sad to see that ignorant racist fucks are still running rampant in our society. I remember when I was walkin\' with my buddy, and this old guy screamed at my friend "get out my neighborhood you damn nigger". We then proceeded to throw rocks at his windows...and then we ran to his house to play some video games. Fun times, I tell ya. We had to walk by his house every day because it was on the path. It sucked. A lot of racist shit happened in my high school too, and when I moved Senior year, there was a lot of racism against Native Americans. I just can\'t believe some of the stuff I hear people say to each other.
GTFOH pisses me off the way some ppl talk about culture of people they don\'t know shit about.
I know what you mean. My dad is surprised how offended I am whenever there\'s some sort of racial comment made by someone. If his friends say something, I get up in there face about it...I don\'t care how much older they are than me, they\'re being stupid asses.
some people are just lazy period whether they\'re black or white...
That\'s what a lot of people seem to forget, unfortunately. Some people just don\'t know any better.
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Quddus, you say whites don\'t know shit about blacks but I\'m sure you have the whites perfectly figured out. I\'m also sure you\'re never racist towards white people. See where I\'m going with this?