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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: fastson on November 06, 2005, 11:06:51 AM
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Over 2000 cars have been burned in different cities around France for the past 9 days. They have been burning down schools and shops in some areas outside of Paris. Last night for the first time riots took place in the central parts of Paris.
Its quite fucked up.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051106/ap_on_re_eu/france_rioting;_ylt=Aj1xjOYRwTpmq.fQCiQuUcus0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
So no more surrender monkey jokes? :(
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hitler would be proud
let it burn
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lol mm that was so wrong
But I still hate all forms of french people except for the Acadien French.
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Seriously though how barbaric, no wonder they support anything civilized.
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Were you just born a bigot? Or extremely dumb?
I think its terrible people must resort to rioting/violence to get a point across. Although obviously the French Government isnt listening, so maybe it is necessary.
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You don\'t get to call people dumb, Spudy.
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Violence isn\'t always necessary, anyone remember Ghandi? Ah well anyways any type of riot or any form of mass demolition is a bunch of retard followers and are no better than the terrorists we are trying to stop.
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Mjps I was talking to jumpy....
Originally posted by Jumpman
You don\'t get to call people dumb, Spudy.
Okay...
Your fucking retarded. :D
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Spudz, you\'ll never get me. Ever. That\'s why you\'re Spudz and I\'m me. Call it the nature of things, God\'s will, whatever. If it ever did happen, I\'m positive the universe will explode since it would be an impossible scenario thereby altering the laws of existence.
Originally posted by (e)
Your fucking retarded.
:laughing:
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Your fucking retarded.
nothing on the internet cracks me up like seeing that
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I realized that however I still felt like making more remarks, sorry to bother the idaho boy.
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Originally posted by (e)
Your fucking retarded. :D
That would be "you\'re".
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Is a grammatical error such a flaw?
It happens to everyone and the only time anyone bothers to points them out is when they are trying to humiliate someone.
Since you have no real grounds to insult me, please go die.
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Is a grammatical error such a flaw?
When you\'re calling someone fucking retarded and you misspell something in the insult...yes.
Since you have no real grounds to insult me, please go die.
Grounds? You\'ve randomly insulted me before in a thread when I wasn\'t talking to you or about you. You\'re an ass to me. What\'s your point?
*hug*
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I have the feeling the French government will be over thrown again for the 5393th time.
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why are they rioting I read some of the article I still dont know
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The nominal trigger for the riots was an incident in the poor suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois in which two teenagers, one wanted by police, hid from officers in a power substation and were accidentally electrocuted.
From another article...
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theres got to be more to it than that...
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that shit would never fly here...I think they start shooting rioters after the 2nd day. Imagine this shit in moscow, it would last 25 minutes before tanks start rollin\'...
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Did France surrender yet to the rioters? I haven\'t heard much about the military doing anything.
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Originally posted by Halberto
theres got to be more to it than that...
The two kids getting fried was only the triggering factor.
Whats causing the riots all over France is mainly social problems. Lots and lots of people with no work. I heard figures of 40% unemployment rate in some of these areas. These people have nothing to do and see no future, and they\'re getting tired of the right wing government calling them "thugs".
Last night over 1000 cars were burned. Schools, Police Stations, local shops were also attacked and burned. And today the first death caused by these riots were reported, a man died of injures from having been assaulted by rioters.
Some cops have been seriously injured also.
Time to do something now, Chirac?
EDIT: The man who died was Jean-Jacques Le Chenadec, 27 y/o.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Did France surrender yet to the rioters? I haven\'t heard much about the military doing anything.
Not sure why the military isnt doing anything.
They probably have a law that says the military cant be used during riots. We have a law like that and its quite silly. (Goes back to 1931 when the military shot and killed 5 protesters.)
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I don\'t think I\'d be too eager to hire a rioting arsonist.
They\'ve never heard of Marting Luther King, Jr? Gandi?
Their teh moist retarted peoples on this plant and alos very dum. :p
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Originally posted by fastson
Not sure why the military isnt doing anything.
They probably have a law that says the military cant be used during riots. We have a law like that and its quite silly. (Goes back to 1931 when the military shot and killed 5 protesters.)
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AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Did France surrender yet to the rioters? I haven\'t heard much about the military doing anything.
Military?
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Originally posted by fastson
The two kids getting fried was only the triggering factor.
Whats causing the riots all over France is mainly social problems. Lots and lots of people with no work. I heard figures of 40% unemployment rate in some of these areas. These people have nothing to do and see no future, and they\'re getting tired of the right wing government calling them "thugs".
that\'s why this thing would never happen in tha ghetto...why? because black folk are resourceful...what? you say no jobs are available? no problem..let me go pay poppi a visit for a kilo and make it happen....or get the bootleg business poppin\'.(cd\'s dvd\'s anyone?)...and the occasional robbery or two wouldn\'t hurt either...:thepimp: :fro:........j/k..:p
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Chirac don\'t care about Arabs and North Africans.
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clips, what are you saying?
that people in the ghetto always resort to crime?
*gasp*
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lol clips is the man, he also said j/k btw ;)
I think now that France is at its weakest we need to invade NOW. I want free rides on the Tower thingy.
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Europe and their lax immigration policies...
Wake up, Europe, you\'ve a war on your hands
Chicago Sun Times
BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST
November 6, 2005
[Excerpt]
Ever since 9/11, I\'ve been gloomily predicting the European powder keg\'s about to go up. \'\'By 2010 we\'ll be watching burning buildings, street riots and assassinations on the news every night,\'\' I wrote in Canada\'s Western Standard back in February.
Silly me. The Eurabian civil war appears to have started some years ahead of my optimistic schedule. As Thursday\'s edition of the Guardian reported in London: \'\'French youths fired at police and burned over 300 cars last night as towns around Paris experienced their worst night of violence in a week of urban unrest.\'\'
\'\'French youths,\'\' huh? You mean Pierre and Jacques and Marcel and Alphonse? Granted that most of the "youths" are technically citizens of the French Republic, it doesn\'t take much time in les banlieus of Paris to discover that the rioters do not think of their primary identity as \'\'French\'\': They\'re young men from North Africa growing ever more estranged from the broader community with each passing year and wedded ever more intensely to an assertive Muslim identity more implacable than anything you\'re likely to find in the Middle East. After four somnolent years, it turns out finally that there really is an explosive \'\'Arab street,\'\' but it\'s in Clichy-sous-Bois.
The notion that Texas neocon arrogance was responsible for frosting up trans-Atlantic relations was always preposterous, even for someone as complacent and blinkered as John Kerry. If you had millions of seething unassimilated Muslim youths in lawless suburbs ringing every major city, would you be so eager to send your troops into an Arab country fighting alongside the Americans? For half a decade, French Arabs have been carrying on a low-level intifada against synagogues, kosher butchers, Jewish schools, etc. The concern of the political class has been to prevent the spread of these attacks to targets of more, ah, general interest. They seem to have lost that battle. Unlike America\'s Europhiles, France\'s Arab street correctly identified Chirac\'s opposition to the Iraq war for what it was: a sign of weakness.
The French have been here before, of course. Seven-thirty-two. Not 7:32 Paris time, which is when the nightly Citroen-torching begins, but 732 A.D. -- as in one and a third millennia ago. By then, the Muslims had advanced a thousand miles north of Gibraltar to control Spain and southern France up to the banks of the Loire. In October 732, the Moorish general Abd al-Rahman and his Muslim army were not exactly at the gates of Paris, but they were within 200 miles, just south of the great Frankish shrine of St. Martin of Tours. Somewhere on the road between Poitiers and Tours, they met a Frankish force and, unlike other Christian armies in Europe, this one held its ground \'\'like a wall . . . a firm glacial mass,\'\' as the Chronicle of Isidore puts it. A week later, Abd al-Rahman was dead, the Muslims were heading south, and the French general, Charles, had earned himself the surname \'\'Martel\'\' -- or \'\'the Hammer.\'\'
Poitiers was the high-water point of the Muslim tide in western Europe. It was an opportunistic raid by the Moors, but if they\'d won, they\'d have found it hard to resist pushing on to Paris, to the Rhine and beyond. \'\'Perhaps,\'\' wrote Edward Gibbon in The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire, \'\'the interpretation of the Koran would now be taught in the schools of Oxford, and her pulpits might demonstrate to a circumcised people the sanctity and truth of the revelation of Mahomet.\'\' There would be no Christian Europe. The Anglo-Celts who settled North America would have been Muslim. Poitiers, said Gibbon, was \'\'an encounter which would change the history of the whole world.\'\'
Battles are very straightforward: Side A wins, Side B loses. But the French government is way beyond anything so clarifying. Today, a fearless Muslim advance has penetrated far deeper into Europe than Abd al-Rahman. They\'re in Brussels, where Belgian police officers are advised not to be seen drinking coffee in public during Ramadan, and in Malmo, where Swedish ambulance drivers will not go without police escort. It\'s way too late to rerun the Battle of Poitiers. In the no-go suburbs, even before these current riots, 9,000 police cars had been stoned by \'\'French youths\'\' since the beginning of the year; some three dozen cars are set alight even on a quiet night. \'\'There\'s a civil war under way in Clichy-sous-Bois at the moment,\'\' said Michel Thooris of the gendarmes\' trade union Action Police CFTC. \'\'We can no longer withstand this situation on our own. My colleagues neither have the equipment nor the practical or theoretical training for street fighting.\'\'
http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn06.html
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Cue Bowling for Columbine cartoon.
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Hmm, seems the riots are getting weaker. Or maybe not, that dumb fuck Sarkozy said a few things that might stir things up again.
France is also deporting 120 immigrants (both illegal and those who have a residence permit).
The extreme right wing parties suggested the military should be called in, giving the military authority to shoot to kill. I bet the extreme right will benefit from these riots, not only in France but across Europe.
Thanks Chirac.
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Bowling for Columbine???? Hasn\'t word reached Sweden yet that the movie was fictional?
Sarkozy was the only official that had the right idea and if France would have cracked down on these scum on the very first night it wouldn\'t have escalated. The French police are wimps as well - if these thugs had any fear or respect for them they wouldn\'t have even tried this.
This so called "riot" happened under the left\'s "tolerant" and "placating" watch. Funny, for all of the crap Europeans (especially the French) sling at the US - our integration of immigrants is decades ahead of the European model. Burn Paris burn! What was that again about how bad the US looked after Katrina? Oh wait, riots all over France?!?! The Socialist Utopia is burning?!?!?
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"SANCTUARY!"-- Quazimoto
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Bowling for Columbine???? Hasn\'t word reached Sweden yet that the movie was fictional?
No, in fact its required by law that it be used in schools when we study American society. :)
Sarkozy was the only official that had the right idea and if France would have cracked down on these scum on the very first night it wouldn\'t have escalated. The French police are wimps as well - if these thugs had any fear or respect for them they wouldn\'t have even tried this.
Sarkozy is an idiot. He wants to get rough with people who already have it bad. His trying to put the fire out with gasoline.
I dont agree with the people who are rioting now I think there ar better ways to bring attention to yourself, but I can understand why they are doing this.
France has had a very bad immigration policy. They have totally failed to integrate the immigrants to French society. Instead they have placed these people in the ghettos where there is no work and low quality schools. Most of these people havent had a chance to become anything. Instead the government has closed their eyes and hoped this would go away.
I think the government had this coming for a long time.
This is a problem in many European countries. The countries accept immigration but they forget to help these people once they are inside.
They are instead thrown in these immigrant packed places and forgotten. The people need to be integrated into society, they need jobs (and not only taxi driver jobs, some of these people have a very high education in their home country, USE IT!).
This has happened in Sweden, but I see a shift in policy. The social democrats have cut down immigration and are trying to clean up these affected suburbs. Sweden is far away from where France is right now, I dont know how they could let things go so far, hopefully most European countries wake up.
The Socialist
France isnt socialistic, Chirac runs a centre-right wing party. But its true that part of this blaim should go to the socialists, they too have had a flawed immigration policy.
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If they just did some large, organized peaceful protests maybe many more people would want to understand their message. If you start burning my neighbor\'s cars and mine too, make it unsafe to walk the streets, and kill people, you might be put a little higher on my sh!tlist
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Bowling for Columbine???? Hasn\'t word reached Sweden yet that the movie was fictional?
I\'ve yet to see the proof of this.
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Originally posted by fastson
No, in fact its required by law that it be used in schools when we study American society. :)
I hope you are joking. Seriously.
Originally posted by fastson
France isnt socialistic, Chirac runs a centre-right wing party. But its true that part of this blaim should go to the socialists, they too have had a flawed immigration policy.
France isn\'t Socialist? Could have fooled me. In name only is the head of the French government "centre-right". The French goverment controls large shares of activity in all of its economic sectors. That my friend is what us capitalists consider socialist.
Secondly, Europe\'s open door immigration policies are coming back to haunt them. It is not the responsibility of Europe or North America to give jobs and citizenship to the third world.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
I\'ve yet to see the proof of this.
Google is your friend. Here is but one write up of many about the film and the liar Michael Moore.
Unmoored From Reality
An ideological con artist is the favorite for an Oscar.
Friday, March 21, 2003 12:01 a.m.
With Hollywood in a fever pitch against the war in Iraq, Michael Moore is likely to win the Oscar for Best Documentary at Sunday\'s Academy Awards. "Bowling for Columbine," Mr. Moore\'s work of anti-American propaganda, has grossed over $15 million, an amazing sum for a film billed as a documentary. But the film, a merry dissection of America\'s "culture of fear" and love of guns, is filled with so many inaccuracies and distortions that it ought to be classed as a work of fiction.
Mr. Moore is naturally a big hit among the French. The jury at the Cannes Film Festival created a special, one-time only award to honor his film and then gave it a 13-minute standing ovation. "Not since Gore Vidal and Norman Mailer have we seen such a successful export of anti-Americanism," observes Andrew Sullivan in London\'s Sunday Times.
Mr. Moore plays into all of the worst stereotypes and distortions about America. "Bowling for Columbine" attempts to explain interventions by the U.S. military as rooted in an inherently violent domestic culture. "I agree with the National Rifle Association when they say, \'Guns don\'t kill people, people kill people,\' " he told NBC\'s "Today" show. "Except I would alter that to say, \'Guns don\'t kill people, Americans kill people.\' We\'re the only country that does this, and we do it on an personal level in our neighborhoods and within our families and our schools, and we do it on a global level. The American attitude is that we believe we have a right to just go in and bomb another country. This is where Bush is going right now, right?"
To make this strained connection, Mr. Moore tries to make us believe that the two mentally disturbed high school students who massacred their fellow students at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., grew up in a community that has a sinister connection to the military-industrial complex. A Lockheed Martin factory in Littleton manufactures "weapons of mass destruction," Mr. Moore claims. The factory actually makes rockets that carry TV satellites into space. And the very title of Mr. Moore\'s film is based on a deception. It refers to the bowling class that the Columbine killers supposedly took the morning they committed their murders. The only problem is that they actually cut the class.
Forbes reports that an early scene in "Bowling" in which Mr. Moore tries to demonstrate how easy it is to obtain guns in America was staged. He goes to a small bank in Traverse City, Mich., that offers various inducements to open an account and claims "I put $1,000 in a long-term account, they did the background check, and, within an hour, I walked out with my new Weatherby," a rifle.
But Jan Jacobson, the bank employee who worked with Mr. Moore on his account, says that only happened because Mr. Moore\'s film company had worked for a month to stage the scene. "What happened at the bank was a prearranged thing," she says. The gun was brought from a gun dealer in another city, where it would normally have to be picked up. "Typically, you\'re looking at a week to 10 days waiting period," she says. Ms. Jacobson feels used: "He just portrayed us as backward hicks."
Mr. Moore makes the preposterous claim that a Michigan program by which welfare recipients were required to work was responsible for an incident in which a six-year-old Flint boy shot a girl to death at school. Mr. Moore doesn\'t mention that the boy\'s mother had sent him to live in a crack house where her brother and a friend kept both drugs and guns--a frequently lethal combination.
Some of the fact-bending and omissions of "Bowling for Columbine" could charitably be chalked up to really sloppy research. (I called the chief archivist for Mr. Moore\'s film, Carl Deal, yesterday, but he hasn\'t called back.) Others show a willful aversion to the truth. Mr. Moore repeats the canard that the United States gave the Taliban $245 million in aid in 2000 and 2001, somehow implying we were in cahoots with them. But that money actually went to U.N.-affiliated humanitarian organizations that were completely independent of the Taliban.
David Hardy, a former Interior Department lawyer who delights in debunking government officials and pompous celebrities, has uncovered even more evidence of Mr. Moore\'s distortions. The film depicts NRA president Charlton Heston giving a speech near Columbine; he actually gave it a year later and 900 miles away. The speech he did give is edited to make conciliatory statements sound like rudeness. Another speech is described as being given immediately after the Flint shooting . In reality, it was made almost a year later. All of these and more inaccuracies can be found at Mr. Hardy\'s comprehensive Web site.
Ben Fritz ofSpinsanity.org also notes that Mr. Moore has "apparently altered footage of an ad run by the Bush/Quayle campaign in 1988" to buttress his claim that racial symbolism is frequently misused in American politics. His leading example is the case of Willie Horton, a murderer who became a major issue in the 1988 presidential campaign. Mr. Moore shows the Bush ad that generically attacked a prison furlough program in Michael Dukakis\'s Massachusetts . Superimposed over the footage of prisoners entering and exiting a prison are the words "Willie Horton released. Then kills again." While the caption appears to be part of the original ad, Mr. Moore actually inserted it; the ad made no mention of Horton. (Another ad, sponsored by the National Security Political Action Committee, a conservative group independent of the Bush campaign, did mention Horton; it aired only briefly in a few cable markets.) The phony Moore caption also is inaccurate; Horton brutalized a Maryland couple and raped the wife, but didn\'t kill anybody while on furlough.
In print, too, Mr. Moore plays fast and loose with the facts. In his "Stupid White Men," his best-selling book, he blithely states that five-sixths of the U.S. defense budget in 2001 went toward the construction of a single type of plane and that two-thirds of the $190 million that President Bush raised in his 2000 campaign came from just over 700 individuals, a preposterous assertion given that the limit for individual contributions at the time was $1,000.
When CNN\'s Lou Dobbs asked Mr. Moore about his inaccuracies, he shrugged off the quesiton. "You know, look, this is a book of political humor. So, I mean, I don\'t respond to that sort of stuff, you know," he said.
"Glaring inaccuracies?" Mr. Dobbs said.
"No, I don\'t. Why should I? How can there be inaccuracy in comedy?"
Mr. Moore would deserve an Academy Award if there were an Oscar for Best Cinematic Con Job. If "Bowling for Columbine" is a comedy, most of its fans don\'t know it. They actually believe they\'re watching something that is in rough accord with reality.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/printThis.html?id=110003233
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I hope you are joking. Seriously.
;)
France isn\'t Socialist? Could have fooled me. In name only is the head of the French government "centre-right". The French goverment controls large shares of activity in all of its economic sectors. That my friend is what us capitalists consider socialist.
Left-right differs a lot (I think) depending on whether your sitting in the US or in Europe.
What you call left wing in America we might see as right wing or middle ground.
UMP is considered a centre-right conservative party.
European parties are not black or white, sometimes they are grey barrowing ideas from the left or right.
Secondly, Europe\'s open door immigration policies are coming back to haunt them.
For France sure. Why? The governemnt hasnt done its job properly. Its their job to intergrate the new immigrants which they havent done.
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Muslims love to be pissed off and fuck shit up.
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Originally posted by fastson
Not sure why the military isnt doing anything.
Ha... like the French even have a military. It\'s more like, oh zhit guys.... France is destroyed again! Ohhhhh Americanssssssss, welcome, thanks for fixing our country, now watch us as we fuck you guys over in every international problem!
Seriously, let France burn to the ground for all I care. I do enjoy my freedom fries though.
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Originally posted by square_marker
Ha... like the French even have a military. It\'s more like, oh zhit guys.... France is destroyed again! Ohhhhh Americanssssssss, welcome, thanks for fixing our country, now watch us as we fuck you guys over in every international problem!
Seriously, let France burn to the ground for all I care. I do enjoy my freedom fries though.
:laughing:
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Originally posted by fastson
For France sure. Why? The governemnt hasnt done its job properly. Its their job to intergrate the new immigrants which they havent done.
Don\'t most Europeans find French a bit...well...snobbish towards non-French people? Even Canadians here hate teh French Canadians. So I\'m in the opinion that no matter how much effort the French Gov\'t tries to integrate the Muslim and and Black population, the French may still descriminate against them.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Don\'t most Europeans find French a bit...well...snobbish towards non-French people? Even Canadians here hate teh French Canadians. So I\'m in the opinion that no matter how much effort the French Gov\'t tries to integrate the Muslim and and Black population, the French may still descriminate against them.
The general consensus is yes, they seem very snobby/arrogant. But I think that is mostly true for Parisians. My parents have experienced this while on vacation in Paris. They were very badly treated at the airport and at the hotel (!).
I don’t think the rest of the French population is like that.
I have an Italian friend living in south France right now and I asked him if he has seen any of this. He said the locals are very friendly not at all like some people in Paris.
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I have a friend who is French. He\'s a pretty funny kid. I haven\'t seen him in a while. Not your stereotypical french person but eh. It still pisses me off that the French government doesn\'t help out in international problems but whatever. I guess a few bad apples taint the image of the French people. I\'m sure the majority of them are straightforward. I remember talking to a French kid over AIM on a chatroom (it was me and my friends, somehow got into it because the chatroom was for the Matrix) and he was intrigued that the chat was all Americans and he was asking questions and stuff like that. Surprised me. I expected to be hassled for being American. Like I said, a few bad ones taint the image.
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france burned to the ground yet?
i havent paid any attention
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Originally posted by mm
france burned to the ground yet?
i havent paid any attention
They have to surrender first. Luckily, it\'s French citizens so technically, there is no invading forces to surrender to.
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Immigrants count as "invading forces"...
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
They have to surrender first. Luckily, it\'s French citizens so technically, there is no invading forces to surrender to.
So then this would make the what, 10th civil war in france?