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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Viper_Fujax on November 20, 2005, 01:04:14 AM
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So i actually sat through the whole thing,lol. Dont ask me why but it came out when i wasnt "old enough" to watch it so i just never got around to seeing the whole thing. Id catch parts, but then not want to watch it all because i wanted to see the whole thing, but never did.
anyway..i guess ill use spoilers for the hell of it:
[sp]i dont get why the chick died. The last sin was wrath/anger, which would more go towards brad pitt, but what i dont get is that pitt didnt die. Every sin, the person dies, even the killer for envy. But it seems like he killed the chick, just to get pitt angry enough to kill him for envy..so the chick didnt do anything out of \'anger\' to justify killing her.[/sp]
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Hmm, too long ago for me to exactly remember why...
I know he got offended when disguised as that news reporter, to acquire the cop\'s name and home adress.
But indeed, looking at it that way it\'s a major fallacy in his reasoning.
Anyway, the movie was another good example as to why i stay away from any religion.
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i dont get why the chick died. The last sin was wrath/anger, which would more go towards brad pitt, but what i dont get is that pitt didnt die. Every sin, the person dies, even the killer for envy. But it seems like he killed the chick, just to get pitt angry enough to kill him for envy..so the chick didnt do anything out of \'anger\' to justify killing her.
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[sp]Critical mistake in your reasoning here. The killer envied the relationship of Brad/Gywneth. Thus, he committed the act of Envy and like his other sins.. it was to the extreme. He hated what they had and he didn\'t so much that he ended what they had by severing her head.
Setting up the sin of Wrath. Brad Pitt simply couldn\'t forgive John Doe for killing his wife, thus he took wrath upon him.[/sp]
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I thought it was obvious when John Doe said to the Detective...
"Become Wrath..."
And of course, Morgan Freeman was goin\'.
"PUT THE GUN DOWN...PUT THE GUN DOWN..."
Brad Pitt..
"AH..WHATS IN THE BOX? WHATS IN THE BOX? "
Hehh.
Great movie.
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The scene where they drive John to the place is my personal favorite dialogue driven scene ever.
Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I thought it was obvious when John Doe said to the Detective...
"Become Wrath..."
Rofl...
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Spoilers for old movies = gay.
Oh and it was obvious when he said..
"Become wrath..."
":)
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excellent movie, and aye the whole dialoge from John Doe talking to pitt and freeman in the car was perfect.
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I agree
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Fully agreed about that scene.
Kevin Spacey is just great. Throw in Freeman and Pitt, and some top-rung direction by Fincher.. and bam.
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"John Doe: Innocent? Is that supposed to be funny? An obese man... a disgusting man who could barely stand up; a man who if you saw him on the street, you\'d point him out to your friends so that they could join you in mocking him; a man, who if you saw him while you were eating, you wouldn\'t be able to finish your meal. After him, I picked the lawyer and I know you both must have been secretly thanking me for that one. This is a man who dedicated his life to making money by lying with every breath that he could muster to keeping murderers and rapists on the streets!
David Mills: Murderers?
John Doe: A woman...
David Mills: Murderers, John, like yourself?
John Doe: [interrupts] A woman... so ugly on the inside she couldn\'t bear to go on living if she couldn\'t be beautiful on the outside. A drug dealer, a drug dealing pederast, actually! And let\'s not forget the disease-spreading whore! Only in a world this shitty could you even try to say these were innocent people and keep a straight face. But that\'s the point. We see a deadly sin on every street corner, in every home, and we tolerate it. We tolerate it because it\'s common, it\'s trivial. We tolerate it morning, noon, and night. Well, not anymore. I\'m setting the example. What I\'ve done is going to be puzzled over and studied and followed... forever."
Muahaha so deliciously evil. I think i\'ll throw this movie on right now actually :D
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Deliciously evil yet eerily rational at the same time. Brilliant.
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overrated
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Isn\'t everything? :)
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ok, now that\'s a cool reply :)
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needed more T&A
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Never seen Se7en and probably won\'t for quite a while.
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Why not?
Its good.
Watch good movies- thats how it goes.
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That\'s a great contrinution to the thread Paul. It was both informative and inspiring. Thank you for your input.
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Oh, you\'re very welcome.:) It\'s such an honor to hear such an appreciation coming from you.:D
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ahahaha I love this place
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^ Now suck my chocolate salty balls.
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Over-rated? Hardly. Name a better suspense - serial killer movie, by all means.
Oh and Paul2, the movie is too complicated for you. You\'d get confused. Stick to cartoons like \'Catdog\'!
;)
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Over-rated? Hardly. Name a better suspense - serial killer movie, by all means.
Saw, by far
lol. just kidding
the ending still doesnt fit. He becomes wrath?..so that leaves stuff open that now hes living with the last sin? It wouldve been more complete if the guy died for his sin of envy, then pitt died for his sin of wrath IMO.
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Wrath isn\'t a deadly sin tho\'!
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- Pride is excessive belief in one\'s own abilities, that interferes with the individual\'s recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.
- Envy is the desire for others\' traits, status, abilities, or situation.
- Gluttony is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires.
- Lust is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body.
- Anger is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.
- Greed is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness.
- Sloth is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work.
Wrath wasn\'t the sin. Mills became wrath and punished John Doe for ENVY .
Silly people..
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Anger is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.
Pride: the chick that got her nose cut off
Envy: the killer
Gluttony: fat guy
Lust: Prostitute
Anger: ?????
Greed: Lawyer
Sloth: The guy tied up in the bed
ok..maybe im just not seeing it,lol. So anger, although listed as a deadly sin, only ends up in someone (pitt) doing the killing?
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One could say that Anger also falls under the Killer - due to his anger against humanity..
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he thought what he was doing was gods will. Killing sinners.
Only explanation i got is he left pitt with the last sin, of anger. Because john kept saying hed always remember the day, and he didnt cut off his wifes head for shock value so hed remember it for being the 7th deadly sin.
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That is another possible one.
Or maybe he just never finished his masterpiece. Maybe when he got obsessed with Mills , he became envy and knew what had to be done. It isn\'t like he had planned from the start to become envy.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
It isn\'t like he had planned from the start to become envy.
ah yea..ill say its a little of both then.
really good movie none-the-less.
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That it is.
Fincher is a great director, but sometimes he gets lost in the details. One film that makes me think of that is Alien 3....Well, that or Panic Room.
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why do your new avatars suck so much LIC :(
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Agreed- Aqua Teen Fuckerforce is ghey.
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Rome\'s season finale.
Fucking excellent.
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gonna watch it at 1am when I get back
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Did you read my spoiler tag?
John Doe kills Mrs.Mills out of envy. Mr.Mills kills John Doe out of wrath. End of story.
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no..john doe dies because he is envious..then read me and LIC\'s conversation for wrath. You\'re explanation contradicts the whole point of his murders.
thats why freeman kept saying "DONT SHOOT.HE WANTS YOU TO" because he wanted to die for being envious.
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No, my explanation doesn\'t contradict anything. It\'s yours with different wording.
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but the seven sins were supposed to kill people because of them, not do the killing. Gluttony died from eating, lust died from boning, sloth died from being strapped down and not able to do anything. Then it all of a sudden switches to the sin (envy) doing the killing doesnt make sense to me cuz its different from the other 5.
the whole point of his murders were for people to learn not do do the seven sins. But with ur explanation it sounds like envious people will die from the 7th sin of wrath. at least if the end would be just as planned out as his other 5 murders.
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Detective Mills became Wrath - we know that. He punished him for ENVY.
As for the comment on envy - one can\'t die from envy. It was the actions that caused the death. That is just like any of the other members. The actions brought on the death, in some form.
Maybe it was a plot hole. Or maybe it was the fact that when John Doe did have envy , he knew he had to pay the price. So , he set it up, so that Mills would kill him and he , himself would be punished. Yes, that leaves Mills with the WRATH sin - but that wouldn\'t concern John Doe, due to the fact he is dyin\' for his own deadly sin.
As for my avatars...Like I am goin\' to listen to a gay-ass Green Latern avatar and the ohh-so-cliche\' blinkin\' Tool eye.
;)
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Why LIC no close thread discussing about old movie?
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I never closed any threads discussing an old movie. I made rude comments, but did not close the thread.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I never closed any threads discussing an old movie. I made rude comments, but did not close the thread.
You closed my Superman thread! Well....I think it was you. bitch. ;)
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Wasn\'t me.