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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Ghettomath on November 26, 2005, 06:25:46 PM
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The U.S. is approaching its 1,000 execution since 1977.
Read here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051125/ap_on_re_us/1000_executions
What do you guys think? Chalk one up for American justice? Or is it sick-and-twisted, cruel-and-unusual punishment?
What about you people from foreign countries? What methods of execution are used in your country? Do you approve/support America\'s history of executions?
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didn\'t realize we cut off hands for stealing in the US.
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Wow, I learned a lot reading that link.
I didn\'t thought about what if innocents people were being executed for something they didn\'t do? Interesting. I also learned the word "exoneration", heh, cool fancy law terms...
That link makes me think quite a lot, and makes me realize why now people aren\'t as supportive of execution as they were before.
As for me, I don\'t support execution. Well, it depends. Unless DNA can proven a person guilty and depend how bad the felonies are. Like if the suspect killed a lot of people or very maliciously tortured and murder a person to death especially for no or very unfair reasons. I guess that is the exception.
Me personally, I don\'t like being falsely accused or misunderstood. So, what if there are some people that are actually innocent but were given the death sentence. That would be awful.
It also makes me wonder about test lie detector. Do you guys think that may work?
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proven innocent by DNA is mostly bullshit
it\'s not false/postive
more like \'inconclusive\'
why were they a suspect in the first place?
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No human should have to die for crimes.
Besides killing them is the easy way out; Life in prison is torture.:crying: :op:
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you gonna pay for it?
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if i knew a solid percentage of how many innocent people get stuck in death row, and if that number was high enough to justify getting rid of it, then i would.
however, im going to live my life tomorrow the same whether a criminal is killed or in jail for the rest of his life, so like mm pointed out, id rather have my tax money not go towards these assholes who put themselves in thier \'predicament\'.
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Bah.. I think we are way too leniant. If someone kills someone and we know it to be true, fucking kill them right away... Then maybe the next person will think twice about it. 1st degree murderers should all be killed iediately after their trial.
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Yup, less money on the taxpayers, sooner they die the better, I think when I did a paper on this though death row and life in prison the cost\'s come out to be very similiar
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Uhh... no - its way cheaper to just kill them.
But you have to remember this is human life- not just trying to save money. They may not respect the value of human life, thats why they are criminals, but shouldn\'t we?
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Yup, less money on the taxpayers, sooner they die the better, I think when I did a paper on this though death row and life in prison the cost\'s come out to be very similiar
Originally posted by (e)
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Uhh... no - its way cheaper to just kill them.
But you have to remember this is human life- not just trying to save money. They may not respect the value of human life, thats why they are criminals, but shouldn\'t we?
Actually, you are wrong E. It is cheaper to keep them in prison and support them due to appeals. I have done a ton of research on this and as of about three years ago, the average appeal over the course of 20 plus years ended up being cheaper on the tax payers. It is one of the main arguments the anti-death penatly people use.
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Are you taking into account if you killed them all you wouldnt have to build giant prison facilities, hire guards, feed them, clothe them etc. ?
I just dont understand how it would be cheaper... :shrug:
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send them all to australia
...wait, that was tried already
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Originally posted by (e)
Are you taking into account if you killed them all you wouldnt have to build giant prison facilities, hire guards, feed them, clothe them etc. ?
I just dont understand how it would be cheaper... :shrug:
Because it takes about 20 years to kill them. All the while racking up lawyer bills and high security prison with a cell all to your own..
If they don\'t have death, they just rot in prison usually with a roomate.
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I support execution if the person is proven guilty beyond doubt. And if they can\'t be rehabilitated and show no remorse.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Because it takes about 20 years to kill them. All the while racking up lawyer bills and high security prison with a cell all to your own..
If they don\'t have death, they just rot in prison usually with a roomate.
Exactly. Yuo forget how much money goes into appeals and lawyers and anything assoicated with the lawyers. It\'s a ton of money. Then you take in account, you are ALREADY feeding them and givnig them a place to live. It is just more money thrown in the money pit.
The only way execution would be cheaper is if it was done on a timely manner and limited the inmates to one appeal within that time frame.
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I\'m for the death penalty for pretty much anybody who knowingly commits murder with incontrovertible evidence against them.
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Originally posted by mm
send them all to australia
...wait, that was tried already
yep, and americia is still a shithole....
what else is new?
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ow, teh burn!
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Boy, he sure got us!
Zowie, never even considered such an intelligent angle to defend.
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Yep you guys are making wonderful strides yourselves....
Over the past 10 years, the prisoner population has increased by nearly 50%. This increase has exceeded
the 15% growth in the Australian adult population, resulting in the adult imprisonment rate increasing from
119 to 153 prisoners per 100,000 adult population between 1993 and 2003
http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/Prison-Stats-Australia.htm
;)
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According to my advanced calculations, at that rate, every adult in Australia will be in prison in...... 3.5 years.
wow...
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maybe americans should stop moving over here.
ohh, and try using updated shit...
wanna use old shit.
http://salt.claretianpubs.org/sjnews/2003/04/sjn0304f.html
2 million yanks in prison to our 23 thousand.. wow.
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population:
United States 295,734,134
Australia 20,090,437
half of oz\'s population are aborigines
what crime are they gonna commit?
get high and fuck a sheep?
US needs a 51st state ya know
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there are more black people here....
*runs away...
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It\'s stupid how you all provoke Soully first and then belittle him when he takes a crack at the US. :rolleyes:
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it\'s stupid alright.
everyone should note that I am always insulting with a tongue-in-cheek attitude. My adamant defense of the US is very facetious. I would love to visit Oz someday, and probably will. AND- I have no real ill will towards any body who posts here. Even Unicorn. ;)
(if I wasn\'t so afraid of being kidnapped for ransom, I\'d love to visit Cyprus, being the history buff that I am....)
(I also like to fuck goats...)
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Originally posted by mm
population:
United States 295,734,134
Australia 20,090,437
half of oz\'s population are aborigines
what crime are they gonna commit?
get high and fuck a sheep?
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:rolleyes: get a REAL education, yours seems lacking in world knowledge.
Half aren\'t Abbos, they\'re asians.
ps. NZ are sheep fuckers, not aussies. Duh!!
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oh, you got me
:(
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and your mum.
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Then maybe the next person will think twice about it.
It really doesn\'t work as a deterrent.
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I thought one of your Aussie leaders wanted to put a stop on Asians immigratiing to Australia. Or something like that.
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Kyoko and I were at an Aussie chain restaurant recently and she subconsciously orderd the "asian chicken flu" instead of the asian chicken stir fry...
that\'s fair dinkum, crikey.