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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: mm on November 30, 2005, 01:14:26 PM
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not funny anymore
was actually playing king\'s field the other night, and i noticed the position of my wrists, and how tiny the PS1 controller is
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I\'ve always thought it looked ergonomic compared to the Dual-Shock.
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I\'ll judge it when i have it in my hands playing a game.
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I wonder if a 3rd party will make a Dual Shock 2 lookalike for gamers who like the old design better. I for one have been using the Dual Shock design for like 10 years now. Its gonna be weird to change now.
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The controller looks rather small, and I don\'t know if it will fit comfortably on my hands.
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And the buttons look like they are very near to each other.Or probably its just me :confused:
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And I thought the Original Xbox controller was bad!
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You havent even tried it- how do you know anything about it?
Gamecube\'s controller was by far the most comfortable - and look how silly it looks.
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yeah looks rather silly and too small. Buttons seems to close
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Don\'t knock it \'til you try it, I guess.
I\'ll judge it when i have it in my hands playing a game.
Same here.
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Gamecube\'s controller was by far the most comfortable
Says who? GC controller was alright, but was nothing great IMO.
You havent even tried it- how do you know anything about it?
I don\'t, only time will tell. However as it stands I am extremely skeptical about it, just like most people on the net are.
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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
However as it stands I am extremely skeptical about it, just like most people on the net are.
Luckily we can trust most people on the net. :rolleyes:
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My statement was referring to the fact that it\'s the general consensus the controller sucks donkey balls. Hell even hardcore PS2 fans are complaing about the controllers look and imagined feel.
ALSO i really hope Sony will finally place the anaolg sticks where they belong, not beside each other but like how both M$ and Nintendo has done with the left stick at the top and the Right stick on the bottom.
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I\'ll have to try it, but the problem I have isn\'t so much that the new one looks bad, but rather that the dual-shock 2 was almost perfect. Yes, your wrists were straight, but I could still play for 3-4 hours straight before things would get sore, and everything just seemed to fit beautifully..
Perhaps with these it\'ll take longer to get sore, and fit even better, though, and if so, they\'re forgiven for the distinctly weird look. If not, of course, it\'s eternal damnation (either that, or I wait for the DS2 third party controller).
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the buttons look to close. Looks like they are making the controller for japanese gamers only:(
I mean It\'s so compact and small. Only time will tell and I will save my final judgement til I get to see it in action.
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Looks pretty comfortable. Except I\'ll need to remove a joint from my thumb to use the D-pad.
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that spiderman font rocks
really, it does
:rolleyes:
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I poked fun at the gamecube controller, but once I held it I fell in love with it. Im not going to bash it, I actially think it may feels comfy.
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Until I get to try it personally its impossible to determine how this controller would work.
Personally I thought the shoulder buttons on the PS2 and PS1 should have been tilted slightly downward to get a better fit.
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Originally posted by (e)
Gamecube\'s controller was by far the most comfortable - and look how silly it looks.
I guess you haven\'t used the S controller. Save the whole it was by far the best thing for yourself.
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I\'d say the X360 controller is my favorite. Probably the wired one is the most ergonomic, because of the battery pack that hits your fingers and adds some weight on the wireless one.
If they upgraded the wireless pad to use a rechargeable lithium battery, it\'d be hands down the best controller around. (And for $60, they should\'ve done this anyway...)
-Dan
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Originally posted by mm
not funny anymore
was actually playing king\'s field the other night, and i noticed the position of my wrists, and how tiny the PS1 controller is
Back in the ole PSX days, a third party developer made a controller EXACTLY like that...but it had no analog stick. It was very very ergonomic.
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If they upgraded the wireless pad to use a rechargeable lithium battery, it\'d be hands down the best controller around.
If Nintendo/Sony don\'t end up doing this, there will be hell to pay.
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
I\'d say the X360 controller is my favorite.
I agree. I never liked the DS2 because the analog sticks are in a somewhat awkward position and the shoulder buttons are too high(making it uncomfortable to try and use both the index and middle fingers in some games)
I think Sony should switch the position of the left analog and d-pads like the Gamecube and Xbox controllers. It feels much more natural for FPS and makes much more sense in predominately 3D environments.
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Heh, you all bitch about the PS3 controller. Watch, it\'s gonna be the most comfortable controller of all time. Then we\'re gonna be posting nothing but Raves of the controller.
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Doubt that! Let\'s say for Sony\'s sake that the PS3 controller is comfortable and its design allows for a better gaming experience. There still remains one problem the d-pad is placed where the left analog stick should be.
One more thing I forgot to mention, Sony has stated before in the past couple of months that the PS3 controller is only a mock up design(My feeling is that they forced to make this PR statement in order to soften the blow that the gaming community was hamming on Sony for such a dorky looking controller)
Besides I would not be too worried, even if this Controller ends up being the standard, many 3rd party\'s will do a good job fulfilling our demands for alternative controller designs.
What pisses alot of Americans off is the fact that Japanese game companies craft there controllers with the small japs hand in mind, and have never really taken consideration for the large beef eating, pig sty American whom have much larger hands.
I understand that including 2 different sized controllers in a console is not really in the interests of any game company, however it would be nice if say SONY, M$ and Nintendo were to offer a alternatively sized controller that the consumer would have the choice buying separately the same as when we buy shirts.
Instead we are all forced to conform to one standard size, which for some people works fine, but for others is a pain in the ass.
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meh i say if it ain\'t broke, don\'t fix it...the ds2 was thee best controller of all time, i hate the xbox controllers and gamecube\'s as well. what sony should do is just paint the DS2 silver and call it a day..:D
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I agree, I liked the DS2, especially for sports games, which is mainly what I play.
Bah, I hate technology.
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Yeah what LIC said before. Sony doesn\'t make changes unless Nintendo comes out with something new.
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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
Doubt that! Let\'s say for Sony\'s sake that the PS3 controller is comfortable and its design allows for a better gaming experience. There still remains one problem the d-pad is placed where the left analog stick should be.
NO WAY!!It would be a disaster for fighting games :mad:
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the ds2 was thee best controller of all time
I\'d disagree.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
NO WAY!!It would be a disaster for fighting games :mad:
So they should sacrifice comfort in every other genre for a genre that has maybe 2-3 games released a year? Not to mention the fact that the switched positions didn\'t affect gameplay in any of the Nintendo or Xbox fighting games.
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fighting games suck anyway
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Sony doesn\'t make changes unless Nintendo comes out with something new.
SOOO True....
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oh, i didnt realize that the SNES cdrom was released
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I thought the PSX pretty much WAS the SNES cdrom.
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The only really innovative thing I can credit to Sony is the EyeToy, right? Or did they publish Ico and Colossus? Then, those.
-Dan
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oh, i didnt realize that the SNES cdrom was released
The only reason Sony ever introduced analog sticks was after they discovered the Ultra 64 had it. As much I dispise Nintendo these days, one has to admit that in the past they were resonsible for quite a few od the innovations we see in todays market.
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Didn\'t know mm is a king\'s field fan!
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n64 was first with analog sticks?
:confused:
yeah, love the series
been playing back thru 1 and 2 this week
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was it atari?
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
So they should sacrifice comfort in every other genre for a genre that has maybe 2-3 games released a year? Not to mention the fact that the switched positions didn\'t affect gameplay in any of the Nintendo or Xbox fighting games.
Its not like it will offer a big difference in comofrtability in other games.But it will have a big difference in fighting games.The most uncomfortable aspect of the DS2 controller was its shape and placement of the shoulder buttons.Thats what made some people`s hands feel tired and annoyied of the analog stick`s placement in games that used extensively the shoulder buttons and analog stick at the same time.
Its not like Nintendo was famous for its fighting games or had many and XBOX`s most famous figting game was DOA which doesnt need the D-pad and accuracy as much as lets say Tekken and Virtua Fighter.I ve also tried Soul Calibur2 on both XBOX and PS2.Hands down PS2`s controller was most suitable for that game.
PS2 is famous for its fighting games
XBOX`s controller was better suitable for FPS which still are better being playied on PC.
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Originally posted by Blade
I\'d disagree.
Right.
That\'d either go to the SNES or the Saturn Japanese pad. And if we are talkin\' analogs, that would go to the Saturn Nights controller.
And the PSX was pretty much the SNES CDROM. That is how it all started.
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Originally posted by JBean
was it atari?
Looked like it, but that wasn\'t analog. It was a stick that pushed on the hidden d-pad buttons for you when you tilted it.
-Dan
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I prefer the analogue sticks to be side by side.
DS2 was a fine controller. This one looks a little odd, but I\'m more than willing to give it a go, and try and get used to it before I decide to go back to the standard.
Oh, and the Z-trigger on the GCN controller was shit. The rest of the controller was fine, though.
Oh, and Sony have done more innovative things than ICO. How was that innovative, anyways?
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Right.
That\'d either go to the SNES or the Saturn Japanese pad. And if we are talkin\' analogs, that would go to the Saturn Nights controller.
Wasnt the Saturn pad best suitable for 2D games only?
And its not like the Nights controller had been tested with and used by many games to form an opinion, is it?
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When I made that statment I was well aware of the saturn controller, but remember nintendo made the anaolg stick a standard and SONY followed suit shortly after.
Just imagine all those great PSX games, being limited to the D-pad. Thank you Nintendo. I remember prior to the N64\'s release Game magazines were discussing how the N64 was going to use and analog stick for control and alot of people were originally against it, under the impression that anaolg was crap.
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where would nintendo be if gamecube was cart based
thank you turbografx
:rolleyes:
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I used to own the cdrom version of Bonkers.
Nintendo is Japanese which pretty much explains there stubbornness. They knew cd-rom was the way but opted for the faster loading storage limited/expensive cartridge and payed the hefty price for it. In Turn Nintendo lost market share to SONY
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sony isn\'t japanese?
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I guess Sony is American. look, isn\'t Sony an American name? I am just joking.:p
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Sony may be, but nintendo operates old school Japanese.
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old school japanese?
:lmao:
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Not anymore they don\'t. You\'re thinking of Hiroshi Yamauchi\'s reign of Nintendo.
Best CEO ever.
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Omg I absolutly forgot all about that, Mr. Yamauchi knows how to hold a grude. Squaresoft anyone?
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Hell, nowadays most people wouldn\'t want Squaresoft on their console..
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I kinda miss cartridges. They were so old school and now they are different. But DVDs and Blu-Ray are the wave of the future.
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Considering Squaresoft isn\'t a company anymore, I wouldn\'t want them, either.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Wasnt the Saturn pad best suitable for 2D games only?
And its not like the Nights controller had been tested with and used by many games to form an opinion, is it?
It rocked 2D games and the analog was used later on in games. Enough to form an opinion. It rocked. End of subject.It was the most ergonomic controller.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
It rocked 2D games and the analog was used later on in games. Enough to form an opinion. It rocked. End of subject.It was the most ergonomic controller.
How many games?What games and how many owned them compared to what is available now on standard analog games being owned on DC,PSX,N64, PS2,XBOX,GC?
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Big difference, the analog came out after the system launch. It still doesn\'t change a single thing. It was the single most comfortable analog. If you bothered to do research back a few years , you would find rave reviews and how most critics also agree\'d.
I don\'t expect you to understand that tho\'. You just want to compare the amount of games that used it. Not the actual controller itself.
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Yeah thats because the bigger is the variety of games tested on the controller, the more are the different control schemes being tested on it.=>the more chances increase that the controller wont feel right in some games.
The controller shows its value when it feels great in almost every game.When the games tested on it are few you cant know how good the controller actually is.So yeah I am comparing the actual controller itself which felt superb on Nights but certaintly was found useless since games using the anbalog were scarce to know how well it would have worked on other games.
Nobody knows how well its analog would have worked on games like Soul Calibur, Dead or Alive, Burnout, Timesplitters, Halo, Sonic Adventure, RC Copter, Splinter Cell, Ape Ascape, etc etc to be able to compare with how well DC\'s,GC\'s, PSX\'s,PS2\'s, and XBOX\'s controllers worked on them and neither can someone know how these controllers would have compared with Nights controller on games that were only playied on that specific controller.
The controller alone doesnt say much until its being tested.
on games
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WTF?
You used Dead or Alive and Burnout as examples?
Crackhead..
The only one out of that you named was Ape Escape and it was a Sony game. That is like saying you can\'t compare the N64 controller to the DS, because it couldn\'t use Ape Escape.
Get back to me, when you can come up with something logical.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
WTF?
You used Dead or Alive and Burnout as examples?
Crackhead..
The only one out of that you named was Ape Escape and it was a Sony game. That is like saying you can\'t compare the N64 controller to the DS, because it couldn\'t use Ape Escape.
Get back to me, when you can come up with something logical.
So what if I mentioned Dead or Alive or Burnout?You didnt explain why its a bad example
And N64=console controller
DS=Handheld (thats why I didnt mention DS)
Yeah these cant be compared.But even if you are right that its like comparing N64 with the DS when comparing Nights controller with other controllers then why the hell are you comparing the Nights controller and even form the opinion that its better than the other controllers when its not even comparable?
(ironic that it was me who mentioned that a comparison cant be made to actually have an opinion for which is best)
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DS = Dual Shock.
Get a clue.
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or it could be DS may stands for Dumb shit...j/k...*runs off*
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Okay, to reduce confusion..
DS = Dual Screen.
DS1 = Dual Shock 1
DS2 = Dual Shock 2
SS2 = System Shock 2
Got it?
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I always thought when reffering to the Dual Screen, it was the Nintendo DS....But - hey, what do I know?
SS2....
Woohoo!
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
DS = Dual Shock.
Get a clue.
Oh you ment dual shock?Ofcourse you can compare the Dual Shock with the N64 controller.I dont know how you came up with that conlusion from my post that you cant.But you cant compare the Nights controller with the N64 or the DS when it comes to analog simply because that analog wasnt used almost at all on that controller.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Oh you ment dual shock?Ofcourse you can compare the Dual Shock with the N64 controller.I dont know how you came up with that conlusion from my post that you cant.But you cant compare the Nights controller with the N64 or the DS when it comes to analog simply because that analog wasnt used almost at all on that controller.
Uh, simple.
In your comparison you bruoght up a game that took advantage of the dual shock, that game was Ape Escape. But you also used the N64 in yuor whole post .
I feel so much dumber after debating this with you.
The Saturn analog was the most erognomic. I am not sure what point of that you don\'t understand.
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The Saturn analog was the most erognomic. I am not sure what point of that you don\'t understand.
Probably the part where you had your dick down his throat.
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I love you guys. This is some funny shit. :rofl:
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I\'m sure the N64 controller wasn\'t the most ergonomic, and I\'ve never much cared for the Dual-Shock.
It\'s a step in the right direction but flawed.
I recall the Nights controller being easy to hold, so it could very well be the most ergonomic.
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a little stoll down memory lane
http://www.damnfunnypictures.com/html/dfp-Video-Game-Joysticks-And-Controllers.html
now, I\'ve never held the nights controller but ever since I first saw it I\'ve just haven\'t belived that it was confy... but that\'s just me.
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It really shows you how far they\'ve come.
Lots of different ideas, and then finally the elegance of this generation and next. It\'s been quite a journey.
Personally, I like the "big grip" design of the Virtual Boy. Looks like Sony does too.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Uh, simple.
In your comparison you bruoght up a game that took advantage of the dual shock, that game was Ape Escape. But you also used the N64 in yuor whole post .
I feel so much dumber after debating this with you.
The Saturn analog was the most erognomic. I am not sure what point of that you don\'t understand.
Oh you saw the N64 controller?What about the other controllers?Trying to misinterpret my post eh?
Point is all these controllers which you ommited had tons of games tested on them so opinions and comparissons formed on the other controllers are justifiable.Unlike the Nights controller there was almost no game being tested on it.Nights feels perfect on its analog but then again the controller and its analog was made with Nights in mind ONLY.What about other games using the analog?
It felt great on your hands after playing non-existing, fantasy games using Nights controller\'s analog stick?Oh wait....probably yuo confused it with another stick
The only justifiable opinion you can say is how nice it felt on the few games that actually used it.Comparing it with other controllers is plain illogical
Pretty stupid for someone to say that its the best/most ergonomic (or worse) based on almost zero experience.
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i still think microsoft are crackheads for not putting the analog sticks lateral
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You like that Dual-Shock stick placement?
I don\'t know.. I really like how the Controller S and GameCube controllers feel..
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It\'s not a big deal to me, personally. Until mm said something, I hadn\'t noticed that about the 360 controller.
The 360 controller is my favorite. It\'s all laid out well (except the shoulder buttons - the triggers are fine). And there\'s an added plus I noticed about the buttons being colored.
I let a couple girls I know try Condemned in the dark and instead of \'press X\' which would have been foreign to them, I could say \'the blue button\' or whatever.
Nintendo uses the same trick on its consoles. They were intent on calling the GameCube\'s A button "the big green button" for a while there...
-Dan
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I really don\'t see the difference in the following two scenarios:
Guy: Hit the Blue button!
Girl: looks at controller - hits blue button
Guy: Hit the X button!
Girl: looks at controller - hits the X button
PS2 buttons have unique colors, too. ;)
And I prefer the sticks being on the same level. Though, the difference is pretty much negligable.
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I always remember that X is the lowest one like the "X that marks the spot"Its almost always used for basic things.Cant forget where it is
And the triangle I remember that its upwards.Its like an arrow showing upwards anyways and the three upper buttons shape a triangle.So its like the triangle represents the tip of it.
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personally, I prefer the ole keyboard and mouse
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Oh you saw the N64 controller?What about the other controllers?Trying to misinterpret my post eh?
Point is all these controllers which you ommited had tons of games tested on them so opinions and comparissons formed on the other controllers are justifiable.Unlike the Nights controller there was almost no game being tested on it.Nights feels perfect on its analog but then again the controller and its analog was made with Nights in mind ONLY.What about other games using the analog?
It felt great on your hands after playing non-existing, fantasy games using Nights controller\'s analog stick?Oh wait....probably yuo confused it with another stick
The only justifiable opinion you can say is how nice it felt on the few games that actually used it.Comparing it with other controllers is plain illogical
Pretty stupid for someone to say that its the best/most ergonomic (or worse) based on almost zero experience.
No, stupid would be every single one of your posts.
Let\'s see..
Extensive play from Nights and other Saturn games that took advtanage of it proved to me that it was the most comfortable analog controller.
Gee, how hard is that to understand? For you, it is apparently impossible.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
No, stupid would be every single one of your posts.
Let\'s see..
Extensive play from Nights and other Saturn games that took advtanage of it proved to me that it was the most comfortable analog controller.
Gee, how hard is that to understand? For you, it is apparently impossible.
Yeah probably you tried tenths or even hundreds of fantasy imaginative saturn analog games on it.
Hey why dont you share with us your experience on Sonic Extreme, as well as on other countless unreleased or imaginative Saturn analog games that you tried?
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Unicron has a point. If you played a different game on the Saturn controller, the joystick would all of a sudden suck.
It\'d probably be looser. It might even break clean off. The entire controller would be heavier and sharper and your fingers would bleed in its mere presence. The cord would probably get loose and fall out of the controller and land on your foot, sending a minor current through your leg that, while annoying, was still somewhat pleasurable.
Yeah. He has a point.
Bob, it\'s easier in the dark to pick out a color in the glow of the tv than to squint and notice the letter.
I didn\'t realize the DS2 had colored buttons. I didn\'t check, but in my head they\'re black or dark gray.
Also, from where I was sitting I forget if X comes before Y on the Xbox controller, but I can tell that the button they have to hit is yellow. :)
-Dan
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
I really don\'t see the difference in the following two scenarios:
Guy: Hit the Blue button!
Girl: looks at controller - hits blue button
Guy: Hit the X button!
Girl: looks at controller - hits the X button
PS2 buttons have unique colors, too. ;)
And I prefer the sticks being on the same level. Though, the difference is pretty much negligable.
True that. I never go by color though. By using the shapes, it makes it easier for me to help people play games. I can\'t even say what color the buttons are off the top of my head. I just know the triangle is green. The others are ahrder for me to say the colors.
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Why don\'t companies just label their buttons by letters or numbers, like the good ol\' days?
You can\'t put a bunch of freakin\' stupid colors or symbols in order...
Japanese Saturn Controller = #1
X Y Z, A B C, L R = SIMPLE!
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I always faulted Sony for doing that. They did it to look iconic.
I really hate reading button combos for PS1/PS2 fighting games and seeing "up right square" in there. It\'s so stupid that even Microsoft figured out that "A-B-X-Y" works..
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It\'s not stupid.
Xbox\'s controller buttons stem from MS\'s roots ; the personal computer\'s keyboard.
You won\'t find DS2 button icons on the average pc keyboard.
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with some liquid paper and some texters, you just might. ^-^
/me steal knotter\'s kebyoard
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Actually the MS buttons are knock offs of common Nintendo layouts. Though the "forward" and "back" concept for the start and select buttons is cute.
They just switched X and Y and A and B.
In the day, Nintendo did research to see what letters were most appealing or whatever, and that\'s why they went with what they did, in the order they did.
This was in the days leading up to the SNES.
There was probably no excuse for the N64\'s C buttons and peculiar GCN layout since then.
-Dan
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Ok, but there\'s no denying the design philosophy for Playstation button icons ; to distinguish itself as a gaming platform from pc gaming or any other interface in everyday life which usually uses alphabet letters or numbers.
In fact, it\'s the epitome of what videogames really are ; electronic Icon & Sign systems. Go read Steven Poole\'s \'Trigger Happy - The inner life of Videogames\'. Good read. :)
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
Unicron has a point. If you played a different game on the Saturn controller, the joystick would all of a sudden suck.
It\'d probably be looser. It might even break clean off. The entire controller would be heavier and sharper and your fingers would bleed in its mere presence. The cord would probably get loose and fall out of the controller and land on your foot, sending a minor current through your leg that, while annoying, was still somewhat pleasurable.
Yeah. He has a point.
[sarcasm on]
Yeah and because Tekken plays great on a DS2, I also come to the conclusion that it plays superbly first person shooters even when I havent even tried a FPS on it.
Because you cant play Jak3 on an XBOX controller but feels great on a DS2 I come to the conclusion that Ninja Gaiden feels better on a DS2 than on an XBOX controller therefore XBOX controller sucks compared to DS2
My only experience on a DS2 is Ape Escape and its fucking awesome on it!===> DS2>every other controller
[sarcasm off]
I hope you get the irony.
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I think you should get the point..
You\'re an idiot.
You keep bringing up the DS2 and Ape Escape - why not compare the analog comfortable factor with games that could be ported to each console? Ape Escape cannot.
Why even bring up Sonic Extreme? Why not mention games that did take advantage of it? Nights, Burning Rangers and other games.
God damn, you\'re an idiot. I wish someone else from Cyrpus posted here, so you didn\'t represent your entire country.
Once you grow a brain and come up with a decent point, please come back and post. Until then, quit wasting the forum space.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
You keep bringing up the DS2 and Ape Escape - why not compare the analog comfortable factor with games that could be ported to each console? Ape Escape cannot.
Why even bring up Sonic Extreme? Why not mention games that did take advantage of it? Nights, Burning Rangers and other games.
Ape Escape cant be ported?Oh damn I didnt know that!
And I thought there was a possibility SEGA would port Nights or Burning Rangers on other consoles so I could compare how they work with other controllers.
Oh and one thing about Ape Escape in my previews post=sarcasm but you didnt get it
Burning Rangers was a disaster anyways.If you want to give a bad name to the controller thats a good example.
I think you should get the point..
You\'re an idiot
God damn, you\'re an idiot. I wish someone else from Cyrpus posted here, so you didn\'t represent your entire country.
Once you grow a brain and come up with a decent point, please come back and post. Until then, quit wasting the forum space. [/B]
Blah blah blah whatever you say.You are such a great example of a moderator.I mean you ve got the attitude.....especially when someonone sais something you dont like.Swear as much as you want
All this because I didnt agree with you about the Nights controller?Wow!
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I don\'t program.
But it\'s my guess that the analog control part of the controller that you remember from game to game has nothing to do with the joystick and everything to do with the programming.
The developer decides at what point walking turns to running or how sensitive a car\'s steering reacts to the push of the joystick.
What\'s inherent in the controller, however, is the level of resistance within the stick or the feel of the button under your thumb. Is it easy to move in all directions accurately? Can it be moved precisely? Does your thumb slip off every time you move?
Does the wheel under the stick grind away and make the whole fucking thing loose like the N64 pad did after you wore it to shit playing GoldenEye? :)
And to determine these things you need only try one game that was programmed well.
My point earlier is that a good analog stick does not become a bad one based on genre.
The entire controller could, though, if that was your point. The N64 pad was great for shooters and adventure games, but the d-pad was terrible and the C-buttons were too close together to work well for a fighting game.
But if we\'re just talking about the analog stuff, which I think is where this all started, then me and LIC are totally right. ;]
-Dan
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And I thought there was a possibility SEGA would port Nights or Burning Rangers on other consoles so I could compare how they work with other controllers.
Nights has been ported. Or was at least being ported, last I heard.
Burning RAngers - my guess is you never even played it... Please, by all means, educate us on how that game was a diaster.
The whole point of this is about ergonomics and you somehow managed to fuck that up. Go figure.
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burning rangers was one of the finest 16 bit games
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no it wasnt
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what do you know?
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
I don\'t program.
But it\'s my guess that the analog control part of the controller that you remember from game to game has nothing to do with the joystick and everything to do with the programming.
The developer decides at what point walking turns to running or how sensitive a car\'s steering reacts to the push of the joystick.
What\'s inherent in the controller, however, is the level of resistance within the stick or the feel of the button under your thumb. Is it easy to move in all directions accurately? Can it be moved precisely? Does your thumb slip off every time you move?
Does the wheel under the stick grind away and make the whole fucking thing loose like the N64 pad did after you wore it to shit playing GoldenEye? :)
And to determine these things you need only try one game that was programmed well.
My point earlier is that a good analog stick does not become a bad one based on genre.
The entire controller could, though, if that was your point. The N64 pad was great for shooters and adventure games, but the d-pad was terrible and the C-buttons were too close together to work well for a fighting game.
But if we\'re just talking about the analog stuff, which I think is where this all started, then me and LIC are totally right. ;]
-Dan
I am not saying that the Nights controller is worse than the other controllers.It could be the best analog controller.But the thing is games that could be experienced on its analog were scarce.Opinions formed arent as accurate as on other analog controllers.Comparisons are unfair either against the Nights controller or any other controller compared to it
Lets imagine that there are only 2 controllers in existence.A DS2 and a GC controller.
Take 2 or 3 best analog examples of games best suited for the GC(or DS2) controller and imagine that these were the only games that could be experienced on it like Zelda.Now imagine that the best and the worst examples for a DS2(or GC controller) are available.Someone could mistakenly assume or form the opinion that the first controller is ergonomically better designed than the second controller and that it is unfortunate that no more games have supported the first that is better.Could be right with that assumption but also could be wrong.
Now replace the first with the Nights controller and the second with any other controller and you ll see where I am getting at
Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Nights has been ported. Or was at least being ported, last I heard.
Burning RAngers - my guess is you never even played it... Please, by all means, educate us on how that game was a diaster.
The whole point of this is about ergonomics and you somehow managed to fuck that up. Go figure.
Does that mean I can play Nights on another console?
Wrong guess
Burning Rangers:3D game featuring futuristic anime style firefighters.One of SEGA\'s final efforts on the Saturn.The framerate, cameras and controls sucked terribly.Dreadful.Seen it playied it.Had potential but it wasnt executed well.
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At this point, you\'re pullin shit out of your ass just to make an argument.
http://www.shinforce.com/saturn/reviews/BurningRangers.htm
http://www.gamespot.com/saturn/action/burningrangers/review.html
("Probably the last good Saturn game")
http://www.sega-saturn.com/saturn/software/reviews/burningrangers-1.htm
Just because you didn\'t "get it", does not make the game a diaster. Was it perfect? Far from it, but it was still an average game. Hell, this has nothing to do with the controller anyways. I just threw a name out there that supported the controller.
Review of the controller itself.
http://www.sega-saturn.com/saturn/other/analog_controller-1.htm
Partial [KEY WORD PARTIAL] list of games that support the ANALOG.
hat actually use the analog portion of the pad.
3 Pack
Burning Rangers
Chase HQ + Special Criminal Investigations
Christmas NiGHTS
Croc
Dark Savior
Darklight Conflict
Daytona USA
Daytona USA Championship Circuit Edition
Deep Fear
Duke Nukem 3D
Enemy Zero
Galaxy Force II
GT24
House of the Dead
Jurassic Park Lost World
Manx TT Superbike
Net Link Browser
NiGHTS
Panzer Dragoon
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Panzer Dragoon Zwei
Powerdrift
Power Slave
Quake
Sega Ages Vol.1
Sega Rally Championship
Sega Touring Car Championship
Shining Force 3 (All Parts)
Sky Target
Sonic 3D Blast
Sonic Jam
Sonic R
Soviet Strike
Terra Diver
Thunder Force V
Virtua Cop
Virtua Cop 2
World League Soccer 98
The list goes on and on.
Oh and the frame-rate and gameply has nothing to do with the controller.
Dumbass. The whole topic is about ergonomics and which controller done it best. You somehow tried to make this topic into something else. I understand that common logic goes way beyond anything you could ever grasp, but please, don\'t waste the forum space with your craptacular argument.
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Not all of these games used the analog feature of the stick.The stick was used the same way as the d-pad.Just like a stick at the arcade machines WHICH IS NOT ANALOG.
Please go away
And framerate affects control but I guess you didnt know that either
Burning Rangers sucked.Exactly!it was average at best.6.2.Thanks for proving my point
You many times called games that scored 8 and above as being crap so please stop posting reviews especially when they are not that great.
And sue me for not saying what you want to hear.
I am not pulling anything out my ass.Unlike you I am not trying to convince myself that I am a hardcore gamer without being one.
Is that a sega saturn site in the first link?Good luck for finding unbiased information.
Oh and btw from the same link you posted:"Those looking for the next NiGHTS will have to wait. \'Burning Rangers\' is a let down. Hopefully NiGHTS 2 or the new Sonic game on the Katana will be better."
Yes I am pulling things out of my ass alright.
It seems that you ve spent hours and hours searching all over the internet, trying to proove something even YOU werent sure about.
You read what you wanted to see in these links and ommited other parts.So much for having an opinion of you own eh?
If you are trying to convince me that the controller is great you are wasting your time because I already knew that.
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Burning Rangers sucked.
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ok ok I take that back :p
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Not all of these games used the analog feature of the stick.The stick was used the same way as the d-pad.Just like a stick at the arcade machines WHICH IS NOT ANALOG.
Please go away
You friggin\' dumbass. The whole point is ergonomics . Nothing else. What the hell is your point? None of your comments have anything to do with design. NOTHING. You seem to think that the programmers have something to do with that.
Idiot.
Did I ever say Burning Rangers was a masterpiece? NO. I simply stated it used the analog controller and you went on a rant about how bad it was. Blah. Blah. Was the game a letdown? Yes. Does that have to do with this friggin subject? NO. You\'re just to damn stupid to realize that.
How about this - once you get on the same page as the rest of us, on what this debate is about, please, by all means, come back and post a rational thought (if you have one). Until then, sit back and shut the hell up.
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Point with Burning Rangers=bad controls and framerate=not a good indication of how well analog feels.
Yeah yeah whatever.Now ergonomics and analogs are two different things
Stop bitching that its the best controller when it comes to analogs then and go find a shoulder to cry on for I have "insulted" a games controller
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You damn idiot.
Framerate and bad controls in the gameplay has nothing to do with ergonomics and controller design.
Get a friggin clue.
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Burning Rangers = T3h W1N!!!11
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More like, common sense = "t3h W1N!!!11". No surprise that Uni has never actually won in that catergory.
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yay for stupidity!
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
You damn idiot.
Framerate and bad controls in the gameplay has nothing to do with ergonomics and controller design.
Get a friggin clue.
Games test controls.Even with your "common sense" logic Burning Rangers proves nothing about ergonomics.
Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
More like, common sense = "t3h W1N!!!11". No surprise that Uni has never actually won in that catergory.
common sense used to say that the earth is flat.You sure win in that category
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Games test controls.Even with your "common sense" logic Burning Rangers proves nothing about ergonomics.
common sense used to say that the earth is flat.You sure win in that category
No shit, sherlock. The only reason Burning Rangers is even being mentioned, is because you wanted a friggin list of games that supported the analog, because you had some dumbass idea that the controller was unsupported and therefor could not be declared the most ergonomic controller. I mentioned Burning Rangers supporting it and you had to chime in with some nonsense , distorting the whole fucking debate, as usual.
Once you get a clue about what is goin\' on, please get back to us. Until then, the forum members that are not complete idiots and have half a brain, would like to discuss the analog controllers and their designs.
Thanks, have a nice day.
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Too bad that almost none of the games you mentioned had TRUE analog fanction to prove anything.
The one who distorts a debate is actually you.Only between you and me a debate is fucked up.Between me and others )with only a few exceptions) the debate is more civilized and I often agreed with the opposite opinion.
Thats what happens when someopne has a conversation with an arrogant personality like yours that likes calling crackhead or dumbfuck or idiot or whatever, whoever sais something he doesnt agree with and likes showing off that he knows everything.I am not the only member in here that dealt with that behaviour of yours and I am not the only one who was called "names" by you.
Dont expect from soneone to pull back when you have such an attitude.
I am not an ass-licking kind of person.
That should be a lesson for you.
Thanks for wishing me a nice day though.
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Last time here.
YOU FUCKING IDIOT. ANALOG SUPPORT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ERGONOMICS. GET A CLUE.
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unicron shut up you\'re wrong ok
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YOU FUCKING IDIOT... (...)
LOL, this is why psx2central is GOLD! :cool:
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settle down kids, before dad has to take his belt off
:rpissed:
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that\'s just one step away from unzipping the zipper too. watch out!
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Originally posted by mm
settle down kids, before dad has to take his belt off
:rpissed:
Be careful. A lot of members here may get aroused.
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LOL. You people funny.:laughing:
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Right, Nintendo invented:
D-Pad (NES)
Shoulder Buttons (SNES)
Anologue Stick (N64)
Rumble Pack (N64)
Trigger Buttons (GC) - Not sure if MS came up with it first though
Sony Invented:
Eyetoy (Virtual interactivity),
Anologue sensitive buttons (On all the buttons of the controller),
they pretty much stole the rest...yep, we will see a Revolution controller look-a-like from Sony. Nintendo spilled their beans to early.
MS invented:
Online gaming (That\'s it)
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Oh I believe that people were playing PC online way before microsoft came out with the Xbox. Besides, Sony had the port in teh back of the PS2 for the network adapter because they knew they were gonna add it. It took time to get it to work though.
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dreamcast had it before too
saturn may of had it also
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Originally posted by Jumpman
dreamcast had it before too
saturn may of had it also
I never heard that Saturn had it. I think it was just too far back to have it.
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Originally posted by Titan
I never heard that Saturn had it. I think it was just too far back to have it.
Read much of the last 4 pages have ya? ;]
bla bla bla...PR...Developed exclusively for Sega Saturn by the creators of "Sonic the Hedgehog." 3D CONTROL PAD INCLUDED! Precision-engineered to intensify the 3D-gaming experience, the Sega Saturn 3D Control Pad delivers the ultimate in smooth and dynamic control. A revolutionary analog thumb pad reacts to your every impulse and brings you the new standard in game control. - Specifically engineered to intensify the NiGHTS gaming experience. - Ergonomic design provides optimum control. - Pulse-sensitive analog thumb pad enables precise movement at breathtaking speeds. - Additional standard directional pad allows compatibility with most Sega Saturn games.
-Dan
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
Read much of the last 4 pages have ya? ;]
-Dan
You read much?
he was talking about online play, not the controller.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Last time here.
YOU FUCKING IDIOT. ANALOG SUPPORT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ERGONOMICS. GET A CLUE.
DONT TALK AS IF OVERALLY ITS THE BEST ANALOG CONTROLLER THEN
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Overally?
...yeesh.
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Dont become a lawyer
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..as long as you don\'t become a..... podiatrist.
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I am not and wont do your main occupation either
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Originally posted by Phil
You read much?
he was talking about online play, not the controller.
pWn3d
;]
-Dan
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Yeah....silly Eik ;) Besides, I\'m not reading all that fighting between LIC and Unicron. I need Cliffs Notes to know what the hell they are talking about at this point....or 3 good hours.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
DONT TALK AS IF OVERALLY ITS THE BEST ANALOG CONTROLLER THEN
That sentence made no sense.
Get back to me, when you get a clue.
P.S - It is still the most ergonomic, a word you must not understand.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
That sentence made no sense.
Get back to me, when you get a clue.
P.S - It is still the most ergonomic, a word you must not understand.
http://www.dictionary.com
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
That sentence made no sense.
Get back to me, when you get a clue.
P.S - It is still the most ergonomic, a word you must not understand.
And Earth according to LIC
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LIC is a Budhist? I thought he was bi.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
LIC is a Budhist? I thought he was bi.
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Get a clue, bud.
We all make fun of you.
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OMG THEY ARE MAKING FUN OF ME ALL OVER THE FORUM!THE HORROR!
Wishful thinking and self deception does miracles for you
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Kudos to you, for trying to come off intelligent. However, you are still clueless as to what this debate is all about. Go figure.
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Hey Unicron!, you should give up on trying to post cynical one-liners, and just go for one-line non-sequiters. Works for me.
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I JUST FUCKED A FERREL PIG AND IT GYRATED LIKE MY GRANDFATHER MAY HE REST IN PIECE
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Scrotums! Scrotums for sale!
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Oh no!You are smarter than I am!
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Originally posted by Unicron!
And Earth according to LIC
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terry pratchitt?
nice.
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
terry pratchitt?
nice.
:thumb: