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So apparently shopping at Target makes me a Christmas hater. Conservative morons... should deport themselves to Iran and join Ahmadinejad in denying the existence of the Holocaust.
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Who cares?
Your still filling their pockets.
Merry Chri$tma$! :rolleyes:
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Here (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17527211-1248,00.html) is a principal being sued because she wrote \'christmas holidays\' and \'christmas season\' in the school newsletter, upwards of 10 times!
Political correctness is incompatible with free speech. Time to choose one or the other, and then people can just QUIT WHINING ABOUT BEING OFFENDED.
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It\'s stupid.
I hate the holidays, but you know what, let people enjoy them. Just ignore \'em if you don\'t celebrate it.
Friggin\' ignorant. If nothing else, let the kids enjoy the holidays. Hell, I will let me kids celebrate them (which , by the way, will be born via c-section in 9 days!).
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Serioulsy though. That is so retarded. Instead of saying Merry Christmas, its Happy Holidays. I guess those conservatives never heard of Kwanza and Hanukah and that they fall at a similar time :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
It\'s stupid.
I hate the holidays, but you know what, let people enjoy them. Just ignore \'em if you don\'t celebrate it.
Friggin\' ignorant. If nothing else, let the kids enjoy the holidays. Hell, I will let me kids celebrate them (which , by the way, will be born via c-section in 9 days!).
Your twins will be born on the 19th?
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Kwanzaa is about as much a holiday as scientology is a religion.
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Originally posted by Titan
Serioulsy though. That is so retarded. Instead of saying Merry Christmas, its Happy Holidays. I guess those conservatives never heard of Kwanza and Hanukah and that they fall at a similar time :rolleyes:
Kwanza a holiday? :lmao:
See how you have been brainwashed by the PC crowd Titan?
Kwanza is a creation to make certain people feel better about themselves. It has no historical context as a holiday.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Kwanza a holiday? :lmao:
See how you have been brainwashed by the PC crowd Titan?
Kwanza is a creation to make certain people feel better about themselves. It has no historical context as a holiday.
To some people its a holiday. Its as much a holiday as Mothers Day. Both have no historical context, just made up. But Kwanza is BS and I don\'t get it.
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Isn\'t Christmas a government holiday? Hmmm.....
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It is. Strange that Channukah isnt.
Kwanzaa, wikipedia.org
Kwanzaa is a week-long holiday observance held from December 26 to January 1 honoring African-American heritage, primarily in the United States. Timed to serve as an alternative to the growing commercialism of Christmas, it was founded in 1966 by Ron Karenga (Ron Everett). Whatever its original intent, Kwanzaa has captured the imagination of many in the African-American community and has increasingly become an important celebration.
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Kwanzaa is not a religious holiday, but a cultural one, a syncretic festival, based on various elements of the first harvest celebrations widely celebrated in Africa, around the 10th month of the year. According to a survey conducted by the National Retail Foundation in October 2004, 1.6% of consumers celebrate Kwanzaa.
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Kwanzaa can be seen to be celebrated in the third series of the sentai drama "Power Rangers" when Aisha holds a holiday festival for the citizens of Angel Grove.
:laughing:
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Kwanza is a creation to make certain people feel better about themselves.
Shit, I think they deserve something to feel better about themselves after all we\'ve done to them Giga. Kwanzaa\'s a start.
There\'s nothing PC about simply respecting other people\'s cultures.
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All I have to say about different holidays is \'who cares\'. Let people celebrate whatever holiday they want if its real, new or a family tradition or made up like Festivus and we should respect people\'s celebrations.
Christmas isn\'t even a Christian holiday anymore. A lot of people celebrate it as a more cultural holiday. I mean what do trees and presents have to do with the birth of Jesus? Its become more cultural than anything.
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Originally posted by Ghettomath
Shit, I think they deserve something to feel better about themselves after all we\'ve done to them Giga. Kwanzaa\'s a start.
There\'s nothing PC about simply respecting other people\'s cultures.
Oh really? What have I done to "them"? Once you stop acting like a victim or treating them like victims - you/they may actually succeed in life.
As for African American heritage - they have the whole damn month of February for that. Next you are going to want reparations from the government right? Never gonna happen. By creating this farce of a holiday it makes blacks look idiotic. Since when did Christmas exclude blacks and why do you think they need a seperate holiday?
Oh and MLK Day shouldn\'t be a holiday either. If the man were alive today I would bet he would be what Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are. There are many other Americans throughout history who deserve a holiday before him.
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Originally posted by Titan
All I have to say about different holidays is \'who cares\'. Let people celebrate whatever holiday they want if its real, new or a family tradition or made up like Festivus and we should respect people\'s celebrations.
Christmas isn\'t even a Christian holiday anymore. A lot of people celebrate it as a more cultural holiday. I mean what do trees and presents have to do with the birth of Jesus? Its become more cultural than anything.
Do a little reading Titan:
"The fir tree has a long association with Christianity, it began in Germany almost a 1000 years ago when St Boniface, who converted the German people to Christianity, was said to have come across a group of pagans worshipping an oak tree. In anger, St Boniface is said to have cut down the oak tree and to his amazement a young fir tree sprung up from the roots of the oak tree. St Boniface took this as a sign of the Christian faith. But it was not until the 16th century that fir trees were brought indoors at Christmas time."
"St. Nicholas, who was remembered for his charitable giving. Often on his feast day parents would leave small gifts of chocolate or fruit for their children. His feast day slowly came over time to be associated with the celebration of the Feast of the Nativity on December 25th."
Yes Christmas is very commercialized, but there is actually some history behind the traditions.
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Eh, whatever. It still lost its Christian roots is all I\'m saying. I know people who aren\'t Christian who celebrate Christmas.
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fucking leechers
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I\'ll celebrate Kwanzaa if you\'ll buy me an HDTV as a Kwanzaa present..
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Originally posted by Ghettomath
Shit, I think they deserve something to feel better about themselves after all we\'ve done to them Giga. Kwanzaa\'s a start.
You really believe that?
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That\'s pretty off the wall. "We" didn\'t "do" anything to the black population.
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Originally posted by Titan
Eh, whatever. It still lost its Christian roots is all I\'m saying. I know people who aren\'t Christian who celebrate Christmas.
Gonna say this as unbiased as possible but only America can take a religious holiday and commercialize it so much to the point of people forgetting what the original meaning of it is. Jesus Christ who?
\'back den sinnahs didn\'t want me, now they dead, sinnahs all on me\'
I\'d like to see Israel do that with Yom Kippur
carry on...
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Originally posted by THX
Gonna say this as unbiased as possible but only America can take a religious holiday and commercialize it so much to the point of people forgetting what the original meaning of it is. Jesus Christ who?
\'back den sinnahs didn\'t want me, now they dead, sinnahs all on me\'
I\'d like to see Israel do that with Yom Kippur
carry on...
Jesus wasn\'t even born in December. Most scholars believe he was born in June or July. Records show that Christmas is in December because a Pagan holiday was I think December 25 or close to it and the church wanted to convert Pagans...and it worked.
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black people hate christmas
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"George Bush doesn\'t care about Christians!"
~ Kanye "DumbAss" West
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Santa Claus hates Black people... and so does baby Jesus.
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Ashford: You heard his rant about the Grammys, right?
The guy is literally an idiot.
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I say "Merry Christmas" to everyone at this time of year. I don\'t care if they\'re Muslim, Hindu, Athiest, Witness, Ninja or Jedi. It\'s my holiday. To me, it is still a religious holiday. The Malls will play it to the hilt for more money. That\'s the way it goes.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
As for African American heritage - they have the whole damn month of February for that.
yea and it\'s also the coldest month and the shortest month of the year..:mad:
Oh and MLK Day shouldn\'t be a holiday either. If the man were alive today I would bet he would be what Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are. There are many other Americans throughout history who deserve a holiday before him. [/B]
damn giga,..show the man some respect and i feel you\'re absolutely wrong about him bein like jesse or sharpton,...he didn\'t have that type of character in him... he was a peaceful man who honestly only wanted equal rights for people of color across the board....now somebody like malcolm x deserves a holiday,..but of course you will deny that, as he was too raw for you white folk back then and didn\'t take s**t from anybody...what is scary tho is that people was actually considering making elvis birthday a holiday..:rolleyes:....and leave kwanza alone...everybody has their holiday to celebrate so let african americans have theirs....
ahem...now then... the views and opinions expressed are not necessarly those of ps2central and does not reflect the views of the administrators and or moderators...;)....there you go bjorn..i just saved that ass from any lawsuits that may come up from the impending racial debate that is about to start..:)
*agh..i put a response to giga in his quote...oh well you\'ll figure it out*..:p
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Originally posted by clips
damn giga,..show the man some respect and i feel you\'re absolutely wrong about him bein like jesse or sharpton,...he didn\'t have that type of character in him... he was a peaceful man who honestly only wanted equal rights for people of color across the board....now somebody like malcolm x deserves a holiday,..but of course you will deny that, as he was too raw for you white folk back then and didn\'t take s**t from anybody...what is scary tho is that people was actually considering making elvis birthday a holiday..:rolleyes:....and leave kwanza alone...everybody has their holiday to celebrate so let african americans have theirs....
ahem...now then... the views and opinions expressed are not necessarly those of ps2central and does not reflect the views of the administrators and or moderators...;)....there you go bjorn..i just saved that ass from any lawsuits that may come up from the impending racial debate that is about to start..:)
*agh..i put a response to giga in his quote...oh well you\'ll figure it out*..:p
I don\'t care if it is the longest or shortest. Coldest month of the year??? WTH does that mattter? Oh black people hate cold weather, I forgot. :rolleyes: Since when did one race deserve a whole month to itself? Oh thats right you all have inferiority complex... silly me...
As for Malcolm X :lmao: No Nation of Islam freak will ever get a national holiday - period. There are many other people through our history who have done much greater things than either MLK or Malcolm X. The PC police have already gotten rid of Lincoln\'s and Washington\'s holidays by condensing them into "President\'s Day", which isn\'t observed by many people, yet we have MLK day off??? WTF?
Go ahead and celebrate Kwanzaa and I will continue to laugh at that faux holiday as well.
Since we are on the subject and you want separate holidays, lets go back to having seperate schools as well. Why not separate water fountains and bathrooms again? I guess you really don\'t get it do you?
Here is a good analysis of "Kwanzaa":
"BLACKS IN AMERICA have suffered an endless series of insults and degradations, the latest of which goes by the name of Kwanzaa.
Ron Karenga (aka Dr. Maulana Ron Karenga) invented the seven-day feast (Dec. 26-Jan. 1) in 1966, branding it a black alternative to Christmas. The idea was to celebrate the end of what he considered the Christmas-season exploitation of African Americans.
According to the official Kwanzaa Web site -- as opposed, say, to the Hallmark Cards Kwanzaa site -- the celebration was designed to foster "conditions that would enhance the revolutionary social change for the masses of Black Americans" and provide a "reassessment, reclaiming, recommitment, remembrance, retrieval, resumption, resurrection and rejuvenation of those principles (Way of Life) utilized by Black Americans\' ancestors."
Karenga postulated seven principles: unity, self-determination, collective work and responsibility, cooperative economics, purpose, creativity and faith, each of which gets its day during Kwanzaa week. He and his votaries also crafted a flag of black nationalism and a pledge: "We pledge allegiance to the red, black, and green, our flag, the symbol of our eternal struggle, and to the land we must obtain; one nation of black people, with one G-d of us all, totally united in the struggle, for black love, black freedom, and black self-determination."
Now, the point: There is no part of Kwanzaa that is not fraudulent. Begin with the name. The celebration comes from the Swahili term "matunda yakwanza," or "first fruit," and the festival\'s trappings have Swahili names -- such as "ujima" for "collective work and responsibility" or "muhindi," which are ears of corn celebrants set aside for each child in a family.
Unfortunately, Swahili has little relevance for American blacks. Most slaves were ripped from the shores of West Africa. Swahili is an East African tongue.
To put that in perspective, the cultural gap between Senegal and Kenya is as dramatic as the chasm that separates, say, London and Tehran. Imagine singing "G-d Save the Queen" in Farsi, and you grasp the enormity of the gaffe.
Worse, Kwanzaa ceremonies have no discernible African roots. No culture on earth celebrates a harvesting ritual in December, for instance, and the implicit pledges about human dignity don\'t necessarily jibe with such still-common practices as female circumcision and polygamy. The inventors of Kwanzaa weren\'t promoting a return to roots; they were shilling for Marxism. They even appropriated the term "ujima," which Julius Nyrere cited when he uprooted tens of thousands of Tanzanians and shipped them forcibly to collective farms, where they proved more adept at cultivating misery than banishing hunger.
Even the rituals using corn don\'t fit. Corn isn\'t indigenous to Africa. Mexican Indians developed it, and the crop was carried worldwide by white colonialists.
The fact is, there is no Ur-African culture. The continent remains stubbornly tribal. Hutus and Tutsis still slaughter one another for sport.
Go to Kenya, where I taught briefly as a young man, and you\'ll see endless hostility between Kikuyu, Luo, Luhya and Masai. Even South African politics these days have more to do with tribal animosities than ideological differences.
Moreover, chaos too often prevails over order. Warlords hold sway in Somalia, Eritrea, Liberia and Zaire. Genocidal maniacs have wiped out millions in Rwanda, Uganda and Ethiopia. The once-shining hopes for Kenya have vanished.
Detroit native Keith Richburg writes in his extraordinary book, "Out of America: A Black Man Confronts Africa," that "this strange place defies even the staunchest of optimists; it drains you of hope ..." Richburg, who served for three years as the African bureau chief for The Washington Post, offers a challenge for the likes of Karenga: "Talk to me about Africa and my black roots and my kinship with my African brothers and I\'ll throw it back in your face, and then I\'ll rub your nose in the images of rotting flesh."
His book concludes: "I have been here, and I have seen -- and frankly, I want no part of it. .... By an accident of birth, I am a black man born in America, and everything I am today -- my culture and my attitudes, my sensibilities, loves and desires -- derives from that one simple and irrefutable fact."
Nobody ever ennobled a people with a lie or restored stolen dignity through fraud. Kwanzaa is the ultimate chump holiday -- Jim Crow with a false and festive wardrobe. It praises practices -- "cooperative economics, and collective work and responsibility" -- that have succeeded nowhere on earth and would mire American blacks in endless backwardness.
Our treatment of Kwanzaa provides a revealing sign of how far we have yet to travel on the road to reconciliation. The white establishment has thrown in with it, not just to cash in on the business, but to patronize black activists and shut them up.
This year, President Clinton signed his fourth Kwanzaa proclamation. He crooned: "The symbols and ceremony of Kwanzaa, evoking the rich history and heritage of African Americans, remind us that our nation draws much of its strength from our diversity."
But our strength, as Richburg points out, comes from real principles: tolerance, brotherhood, hard work, personal responsibility, equality before the law. If Americans really cared about racial healing, they would focus on those ideas -- and not on a made-up rite that mistakes segregationism for spirituality and fiction for history."
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Ah the joys of copy and paste :)
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Originally posted by Titan
Ah the joys of copy and paste :)
It is called supporting your argument.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I don\'t care if it is the longest or shortest. Coldest month of the year??? WTH does that mattter? Oh black people hate cold weather, I forgot. :rolleyes: Since when did one race deserve a whole month to itself? Oh thats right you all have inferiority complex... silly me...
As for Malcolm X :lmao: No Nation of Islam freak will ever get a national holiday - period. There are many other people through our history who have done much greater things than either MLK or Malcolm X. The PC police have already gotten rid of Lincoln\'s and Washington\'s holidays by condensing them into "President\'s Day", which isn\'t observed by many people, yet we have MLK day off??? WTF?
But our strength, as Richburg points out, comes from real principles: tolerance, brotherhood, hard work, personal responsibility, equality before the law. If Americans really cared about racial healing, they would focus on those ideas -- and not on a made-up rite that mistakes segregationism for spirituality and fiction for history."
hispanics and other races i believe also have a month dedicated to them,...you just don\'t hear about it as much as african american month,...and giga i didn\'t need the history lesson, tho that was an interesting read, i only stated that since everybody in their moma has a holiday, you shouldn\'t just pull out kwanza out of all of \'em...i\'ve never celebrated kwanza and probably never will, you might as well say that about hanakah (spell) as well, but i\'m sure you will give that some sort of signifigance..it doesn\'t matter to me really,...i just had to say something since you pulled out kwannza outta the bunch...
as far as malcolm x is concerned, yea i was kidding about the holiday as he was a bit raw for him to be given holiday, even tho i did agree with his tactics.."an eye for an eye"...were there other people deserving of a holiday other than mlk?, probably but the 60\'s was a huge turning point for civil rights and african americans...and quite honestly the 60\'s weren\'t that long ago...as far as the african nation in general?..i don\'t buy into all that "let\'s go back to the motherland s**t"...in that context it all goes back to responsibility...it\'s all relative,..to this day i don\'t understand why those countries continue to fight amongst themselves and kill each-other, but like i stated in that thread started by "THX\'s gangster thread"....i can go into tha hood and see african americans or at least hear about them killin\' one another over dumb s**t...
you\'re about to put me on a soapbox giga, but it\'s kind of double edged sword,..alot of black folk will say,..."well how do you think these drugs and guns got into our neighborhoods?..yea the white folk put them there"...which is true to some extent, ..but that doesn\'t mean you have to use the drugs or that gun...yea i know it\'s easier said than done,..because me personally in my youth, i use to hustle cocainne,...and trust i can easily see how many people can get hooked on usin it and selling it... for me at the time i was 17 and makin close to 2000 a week... for a 17 yr old that was like heaven,..but even i got caught up in that drug game and ultimately i had to let it go...so when all is said and done giga i ultimately agree with your last paragragh, where it talks of equality and responsilbilty,...we still as a nation has some ways to go as far as equality, but i agree that people should be held accountable for the actions in whatever they do.....
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Originally posted by clips
hispanics and other races i believe also have a month dedicated to them,...you just don\'t hear about it as much as african american month,...and giga i didn\'t need the history lesson, tho that was an interesting read, i only stated that since everybody in their moma has a holiday, you shouldn\'t just pull out kwanza out of all of \'em...i\'ve never celebrated kwanza and probably never will, you might as well say that about hanakah (spell) as well, but i\'m sure you will give that some sort of signifigance..it doesn\'t matter to me really,...i just had to say something since you pulled out kwannza outta the bunch...
as far as malcolm x is concerned, yea i was kidding about the holiday as he was a bit raw for him to be given holiday, even tho i did agree with his tactics.."an eye for an eye"...were there other people deserving of a holiday other than mlk?, probably but the 60\'s was a huge turning point for civil rights and african americans...and quite honestly the 60\'s weren\'t that long ago...as far as the african nation in general?..i don\'t buy into all that "let\'s go back to the motherland s**t"...in that context it all goes back to responsibility...it\'s all relative,..to this day i don\'t understand why those countries continue to fight amongst themselves and kill each-other, but like i stated in that thread started by "THX\'s gangster thread"....i can go into tha hood and see african americans or at least hear about them killin\' one another over dumb s**t...
you\'re about to put me on a soapbox giga, but it\'s kind of double edged sword,..alot of black folk will say,..."well how do you think these drugs and guns got into our neighborhoods?..yea the white folk put them there"...which is true to some extent, ..but that doesn\'t mean you have to use the drugs or that gun...yea i know it\'s easier said than done,..because me personally in my youth, i use to hustle cocainne,...and trust i can easily see how many people can get hooked on usin it and selling it... for me at the time i was 17 and makin close to 2000 a week... for a 17 yr old that was like heaven,..but even i got caught up in that drug game and ultimately i had to let it go...so when all is said and done giga i ultimately agree with your last paragragh, where it talks of equality and responsilbilty,...we still as a nation has some ways to go as far as equality, but i agree that people should be held accountable for the actions in whatever they do.....
First, you are correct I will give Hanukkah recognition since it does refer to a specific historic event which happened in 165 BC. We are a Christian-Judeo country like it or not and that includes African Americans. We recognize Hanukkah, Christmas and New Years as The Holidays. In recent years the PC Gestapo has tried to give some validation to Kwanzaa - I refuse to. It is not a holiday to be lumped in with the ones I previously mentioned. It has no history and is only servers one purpose - to segregate a portion of this country from the rest of it. In contrast every American does not have to be a particular race or ethnicity to enjoy Thanksgiving, Christmas (unless you choose not to) and New Years.
I can see your argument regarding Hanukkah because it is a Jewish holiday, but then again it is deeply rooted in Judaism and anyone can convert to that faith if they wish to. Also I would like to point out that Judaism is not a race - take a look at Sammy Davis Jr. if you don\'t believe me :laughing: .
If people want to honor MLK for civil rights - that is fine, but that is relavant history to the development of this country, where as Kwanzaa is nothing but a ficticious holiday - do you get where I am coming from? If Puerto Ricans made up some holiday to replace Christmas I would scoff at that just as I do Kwanzaa. Christmas isn\'t about white, black, yellow, red or purple - it is about faith and God bringing his only son in to this world to save mankind. Yes, that is a leap for some to believe, but what is wrong with it? It hurts no one and excludes no one. Not to try and make this debate about God, but I don\'t go to church, yet I do believe in God and to some Christian fundamentalists I am a sinner. Christmas is different for everyone and yes I agree it has been over commercialized, but life is too short to be so pessimistic and I would rather enjoy it than criticize it.
Kwanzaa is a creation to counter what one man perceived as an exploitation of his race - nothing could be further from the truth. What I am getting at is there is no point in Kwanzaa other than to further inflame race relations in this country and to further point out that some don\'t want equality.
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you lost me with jewish holiday thing...i mean if you\'re jewish i would expect you to celebrate hanukkah,...i mean you can\'t convert to being jewish correct? where as you can covert to be a muslim and study islam...maybe i\'m missing something because i don\'\'t know enough of judaism to speak on it but that\'s how i see it...and yes christmas isn\'t about any race, in that sense i see where you are comin\' from i celebrate it for the exact same reason\'s you mentioned....but then again you are ok with hanukkah for the reasons mentioned but you sound like a bit of a hypocrite...if anything it should be about christmas only(the birth of god\'s only son) and that\'s it period....
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Originally posted by clips
you lost me with jewish holiday thing...i mean if you\'re jewish i would expect you to celebrate hanukkah,...i mean you can\'t convert to being jewish correct? where as you can covert to be a muslim and study islam...maybe i\'m missing something because i don\'\'t know enough of judaism to speak on it but that\'s how i see it...and yes christmas isn\'t about any race, in that sense i see where you are comin\' from i celebrate it for the exact same reason\'s you mentioned....but then again you are ok with hanukkah for the reasons mentioned but you sound like a bit of a hypocrite...if anything it should be about christmas only(the birth of god\'s only son) and that\'s it period....
One can convert to Judaism. After all as I joked about before Sammy Davis Jr. wasn\'t born a jew. Same as any other religion. Despite what some claim Judaism is not a race - it is a religion. Confusion over this is understandable since Hilter claimed he was going to destroy the Jewish "race" and Arabs want to destroy the Jewish "state". Oddly enough, the Jews and the Arabs (the ones who are from Palastine are the genetically the same exact people - they are both semitic). So an anti-semite technically means that they would hate both Arabs and Jews. Religion is the only difference between the a lot of Israelis and Palestinians. However, not every Jew in Israel is from Palestine, but from other parts of the world ie. Russia, Ethiopia, the US, Poland, etc.
As for me being a hypocrite about hanukkah - Jesus was a jew. I don\'t see the hypocracy being that Christianity is tied heavily to Judaism.
I have no problem with any established religious holiday. Kwanzaa not being religious, but created as a racially based alternative to Christmas - I do have a problem with.
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I think this is all B-S Christmas is Christmas and has been 10 years ago none of this bullshit came up...
Without Christmas there would be no Kwanzaa(sp?) The problem that people have is that they don\'t celebrate one thing oh well, if I say Merry Christmas and you don\'t celebrate it who gives a fuck its a greeting, same as happy holidays, all this commotion is over nothing and it would be so much simpler if everyone in this country didn\'t have a broom handle up there ass when one side does one thing or the other.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
It is called supporting your argument.
With copy and paste :p
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Jesus was a jew.
It\'s highly likely that Jesus was black too. But you don\'t hear much about that now do you?
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
One can convert to Judaism. After all as I joked about before Sammy Davis Jr. wasn\'t born a jew. Same as any other religion. Despite what some claim Judaism is not a race - it is a religion. Confusion over this is understandable since Hilter claimed he was going to destroy the Jewish "race" and Arabs want to destroy the Jewish "state". Oddly enough, the Jews and the Arabs (the ones who are from Palastine are the genetically the same exact people - they are both semitic). So an anti-semite technically means that they would hate both Arabs and Jews. Religion is the only difference between the a lot of Israelis and Palestinians. However, not every Jew in Israel is from Palestine, but from other parts of the world ie. Russia, Ethiopia, the US, Poland, etc.
As for me being a hypocrite about hanukkah - Jesus was a jew. I don\'t see the hypocracy being that Christianity is tied heavily to Judaism.
I have no problem with any established religious holiday. Kwanzaa not being religious, but created as a racially based alternative to Christmas - I do have a problem with.
hmmm...interesting. i gotta admit reading your post clears up alot of things i wasn\'t sure about regarding that judaism thing...and it\'s true that those people of palestine and israel are basically the same people but that religion is what\'s separating them....in any case i\'m done with the kwanza argument....and i come away from your post giga.."enlightned" (spel)....:)
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Originally posted by Ghettomath
It\'s highly likely that Jesus was black too. But you don\'t hear much about that now do you?
Who cares? He\'s a freaking religious figure, paint him what ever color you want. What does it matter? Nothing!!!
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Jesus saves, radio waves.
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New Santa Sunderer (http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--slashersanta1213dec13,0,4640581.story?coll=ny-region-apnewyork)
This guy went all the way. His blood spattered santa is carrying a knife, and holding the severed head of a doll.
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Giga what\'s the problem with people celebrating Kwanzaa? If you want to celebrate Casual Friday or Funny Hat Day, what the hell does it matter?
I don\'t know why you have a problem taking the day off on MLK day, either... It\'s a day off. Enjoy it.
I do, however, see your point on President\'s Day.
I dunno. I guess I don\'t get the problem with the holidays. Enjoy them if you want. Or treat Christmas as just another Sunday.
Shouldn\'t matter either way?
-Dan
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I still don\'t think Jesus was black. With the "wooly hair" line in the Bible?
Please.
A lot of Jews also have curly locks. Suddenly the black community is like "OH SHIT! Jay-sus wa BALACK!"?
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Originally posted by Ghettomath
It\'s highly likely that Jesus was black too. But you don\'t hear much about that now do you?
Highly likely? :lmao:
Jesus was born in Palestine which are home to semitic people, who are not black at all. Why is it seem that some blacks assert almost every famous historical figure was black? It is absurd.
This is just as stupid as the debate over whether Cleopatra was black. Cleopatra was of pure Greek ancestry and the last of the hellenistic Ptolemy dynasty founded by Alexander the Great.
Oh and Dan I don\'t have a problem with MLK day - I was using that as an example to ghetto\'s assertion that "Kwanzaa would be a start".
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i heard santa was black, unsure on that one
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
I still don\'t think Jesus was black. With the "wooly hair" line in the Bible?
Please.
A lot of Jews also have curly locks. Suddenly the black community is like "OH SHIT! Jay-sus wa BALACK!"?
hair like wool skin like bronze,..it\'s in the bible,..sounds black to me...and if it doesn\'t make a difference what color he is, why is it that we see a blue eyed straight haired jesus?..:rolleyes:...because i think all the white folk would have a heart attack if they put up the the real image of jesus...adam and eve,... y\'know the first man and woman came from..." drum role"...africa!....if you believe in the bible then you must know that adam and eve were black....:fro:..ok white folk..now..who\'s yer daddy?...;)..:fro:
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Originally posted by clips
hair like wool skin like bronze,..it\'s in the bible,..sounds black to me...and if it doesn\'t make a difference what color he is, why is it that we see a blue eyed straight haired jesus?..:rolleyes:...because i think all the white folk would have a heart attack if they put up the the real image of jesus...adam and eve,... y\'know the first man and woman came from..." drum role"...africa!....if you believe in the bible then you must know that adam and eve were black....:fro:..ok white folk..now..who\'s yer daddy?...;)..:fro:
No argument about Adam and Eve. But Jesus was not black. And not European white.
And here it is again. People taking the Revelations LITERALLY. JEEEEZUS CHRIST!
"His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters." (Rev. 1:14 and 1:15)
Now....I know black people want to have this exclusive right over Jesus as their own...but I\'m sorry. He\'s not black and not white.
Jews were not exactly fond of marrying beyond their own kind back then and probably even now. It\'s highly likely - Jesus was Jewish. WOW. Imagine that.
Now that you know the facts, you can print this out and hand it off to your pastor. And tell him to stop taking the Bible literally. It\'s stupid.
Merry Christmas
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
No argument about Adam and Eve. But Jesus was not black. And not European white.
And here it is again. People taking the Revelations LITERALLY. JEEEEZUS CHRIST!
Now....I know black people want to have this exclusive right over Jesus as their own...but I\'m sorry. He\'s not black and not white.
Jews were not exactly fond of marrying beyond their own kind back then and probably even now. It\'s highly likely - Jesus was Jewish. WOW. Imagine that.
Now that you know the facts, you can print this out and hand it off to your pastor. And tell him to stop taking the Bible literally. It\'s stupid.
Merry Christmas
and the jews we\'re talkin about are not the jews that you see now...i\'m not flaunting that jesus was black,..i remember reading that his skin was like bronze and his hair like wool....now maybe the bible you\'re reading from is re-wording it differently to suit it\'s audience...in any case it goes all goes back to his hair bein like wool and his feet like bronze....when you find white folk like that, hit me up, and i don\'t mean those white folk that go to the tanning salon!..:p
anyway my argument was really about since we have somewhat of a well rounded image of what jesus looks like, why is it that we have a blue eyed straight haired one?...in the grand scheme of things of course it doesn\'t matter, but i guess to just about everybody in america...it does...what do you think would really happen if the true image of him was put up in churches?...i don\'t think it would fly very well... do you?.....oh and merry christmas..;)
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it\'s very obvious that Jesus was a bean eater because he hopped so many borders spreading the gospel.
i think we all can agree he was definitely filipino
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Well if he was born in the Middle East... he probably wasn\'t European.
-Dan
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his skills may have been overrated....
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3344989353426635660&q=stewie
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
Well if he was born in the Middle East... he probably wasn\'t European.
-Dan
And he ain\'t black, either. Otherwise, Jesus would have turned water NOT into wine....but grape soda. :p
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...or malt liquor.
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Speaking of Kwanzaa:
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/charliebrownkwanza.html
Might be old for some but it\'s a revalation in humor for me. :rofl:
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Jesus was probably Arab looking or Hebrew looking. I don\'t know why people really debate this. He wasn\'t white or black. He was what the people who lived there were.
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Originally posted by Titan
He was what the people who lived there were.
Get out! Wow! Hell of an observation there buddy.
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TiT wins an award for that comment...
"He was what the people who lived there were."
It\'s...so..profound.
Amazing!
This is the kind of quote that you see on Time or The New Yorker!
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To put it straight he wasn\'t African!!! He may have been dark skinned, I\'ve seen some people from South America who looked Black but weren\'t.