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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: THX on December 20, 2005, 09:00:36 PM
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Anyone here affected? Seems pretty silly. The stuff they want seems pretty minor to the amount of pay lost and possible fines they face when this thing blows over.
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But yea it\'s all over the news because the poopular news outlets all have a branch in the big apple.
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You\'re playing with fire when you piss off millions of people this close to the holidays.
Remember the air-traffic control strike (http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id296.htm) in mid-summer under Reagan? He pink-slipped the whole union, and used military controllers until new controllers could be trained. Every controller that illegally struck, was blacklisted in the USA permanently.
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But did you know they haven\'t received a pay increase in two years and their pensions were being cut? I believe they made their point.
Now get back to fucking work ya low life bus drivers.
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why not give them a minor raise and get them back to work. I\'m pretty sure the 400 million a DAY that NYC business are losing would more than pay for the increase.
Stubborn bitches
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I think everywhere should adjust your pay every year due to inflation and such, but hey businesses are in it to make money and not everyone care\'s about their employees.
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It\'s cold up there too. And no cars in Manhattan with less than 4 occupants are allowed in. Now...once they drop off their passengers....do they get ticketed on the spot? ;)
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Originally posted by mjps21983
I think everywhere should adjust your pay every year due to inflation and such, but hey businesses are in it to make money and not everyone care\'s about their employees.
i\'m with you on that as the cost of living goes up more and more each year,but I don\'t think the government has any right to mandate this to happen. There is something called the classifieds, that\'s how you can get a raise.
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Oh, I know but I\'m just saying that businesses should do this to keep people, trust me only way they are going to pay me more is I find something else, lol.
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Originally posted by videoholic
But did you know they haven\'t received a pay increase in two years and their pensions were being cut? I believe they made their point.
Now get back to fucking work ya low life bus drivers.
I did know that.
Did you know the city offered 3% per year each year for the next 3 years and was turned down?
Did you know that they were already in the upper eschilons of \'earning\' for city workers already?
Did you know that this illegal strike is costing the city hundreds of millions of dollars? Yeah, that\'s a good way to make the city give you more money, money that they might not even have to spend anymore.
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Originally posted by FatalXception
I did know that.
Did you know the city offered 3% per year each year for the next 3 years and was turned down?
Did you know that they were already in the upper eschilons of \'earning\' for city workers already?
Did you know that this illegal strike is costing the city hundreds of millions of dollars? Yeah, that\'s a good way to make the city give you more money, money that they might not even have to spend anymore.
3%..raise for the cost of living in new york?..:rolleyes:...that\'s nothing!...the city makes millions upon millions a day, and yet all they offer is 3%?...yea i know it also cost money to maintain tunnels, trains etc...but they make profits at least 4 times over to cover it....a 1 bedroom apt in new york will run you somethin\' around 1100 - 1200 a month!...unions to me are a double edged sword,..some unions can strike for legitamate reasons, while others can be assholes about a particular situation....while i do feel that this is a legit strike, sometimes you need unions to keep greedy CEO\'s in check...
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Any member of an essential service that illegally strikes should have their slips handed to them, period. There is a reason it\'s called an essential service, and it\'s illegal for them to strike.
The fact that they decided to walk right before Christmas for extra pressure just makes it all the worse. They had other options, job actions they could take.
In its last offer before negotiations broke down, the MTA had proposed maintaining a retirement age of 55 but increasing what new hires contribute to the pension plan. It would require new employees to pay 6 percent of their wages for their first 10 years, rather than the current 2 percent. Union officials said that such a change was unacceptable.
The union said the latest MTA offer included annual raises of 3 percent, 4 percent and 3.5 percent; the previous proposal included 3 percent raises each year.
No reduction in pension. Just making the younger generation chip in more to the pot, which is going to be happening everywhere. All pension plans and social nets are finding it harder to deal with longer-living-more-expensive-medicine-consuming retirees.
The next legal step?
The MTA asked the Public Employment Relations Board to formally declare an impasse, the first step toward forcing binding arbitration of the contract, said James Edgar, the board\'s executive director.
Expect to see union leaders who called for the strike (ignoring the law, their parent union, which is against the action, and ignoring the public) in jail (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051221/ap_on_re_us/nyc_transit_strike_62;_ylt=Aq1Q1mSgcLizdwU_.ozPA6Ap.gMB;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl) if they don\'t go back to work.
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As an example of the \'right way to do it\', here in Ottawa, OC transpo is arguing with the city for thier raises. The city was offering I believe 3, 5, and 7% over the next five years or some such, and they wanted 7, 8, and 10. They were in a legal strike position (after months), but because it was mid-terms time in university, they opted to wait, and use job-action (ie, no uniforms, no overtime) for a few weeks, and wait to strike for a while. In any event, they promised that essential services, like handicap transpo would continue to run.
I frankly think they\'re asking for too much, since they are comparing their salary/job to the Ottawa police (who have more training and a harder job), but in any event, THIS is how you strike. You make sure the public knows about your plight, and you strike legally, but you also consider how actions affect them. Waiting for mid-terms to finish was a classy move, keeping the handi-transo running, was a classy move, and everyone who rides public transit knew about the problems (because of the job action), but were not completely screwed over by (and hating) the union. I believe the union is now voting on an agreement reached, so strike averted (at the last second).
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They ain\'t getting as much sympathy with the holidays so close and the very cold weather.
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They said tonight that they are trying to get each and every employee fined 25 grand.
That is freaking huge. THat would be so awesome.
Who gets to retire at 55? That\'s fucking retarded. And 6% isn\'t shit. Ridiculous.
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They won\'t get 25k per, but it\'s looking like they might just get 500-1500 per... which is still a huge amount of money. Even the 1 mil they\'re fining the union per day will bankrupt the union soon. And considering the workers loose 2 days pay for every day they strike, if this lasts more than a week they will loose more than they would get if they got their demands anyways.
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Yea, all this is pretty rediculous. I\'m glad to hear somebody is getting punished. My moms b/f is a police detective in New York and I know he had to walk an hour to work the first day outside of taking some other train in to a certain distance.
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No agreement yet, but they\'re going back to work (http://1010wins.com/topstories/local_story_356054551.html)
Kinda too bad, had they stayed illegally on strike for another week or so, the city would have had no choice but to slip them and bring in emergency workers. Ahhhh, well. I have a feeling they aren\'t going to get even close to what they want now, with the public\'s sentiment so squarely against them.
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A 3% raise is an insult.
I just got a 10% raise today and am content with that, but had it been less I would have been upset.
Though, I suppose the base salary plays a big part.
A three percent increase on a salary that doesn\'t allow you to live anyway is not worth it. But I don\'t know anything about these guys\' salaries or their cost of living.
-Dan
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Frikken Subway workers! Why they make so much money is beyond me.
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starting salary is $35,000 and up to $55,000 plus benefits. Definitly sitting comfortably in the middle class, and not working class, even in NY. I mean, clearly they aren\'t going to live on Fifth avenue, but then very few do.
The real working class are getting the shaft with this strike. Restaurant workers who can\'t get to their jobs. Retail employees, and those in the service industry. They\'re all loosing sales/commissions, and spending hours getting back and forth to their low-paying jobs.
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35 grand to drive a bus doesn\'t sound like a bad thing.
and 3-4% is pretty standard. Be happy you got 10%. It doesn\'t happen in many places.
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The strike violates New York\'s Taylor Law, which forbids public employees to walk off the job, but Toussaint argued, "We have pointed out that there is a higher calling than the law, and that\'s justice and equality."
What a tool bag, I hope they all get railed. They make plenty.
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I loved that quote. They played it all day yesterday.
Justice and equality for bus drivers. Oye.. Give me a break.