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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: QuDDus on January 11, 2006, 08:51:54 PM
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/6142242.html
$1800 for a blueray player:stick: When I expect ps3 will be $500.
Thats still a lot of doe. $400 is high for the 360. I don\'t think this console can retail for $699 sticker price. There is noway they would sell many consoles at that price.
Shit $500 is high enough I know I will only have one console for a while. I can\'t afford a 360 purchase and ps3. I have already chosen to put my money down on ps3. Just hope it worth the high price tag.
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My guess would be PS3 will cost $500 during launch time, or maybe less. But no higher than $500. Again, just a guess.
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Just as an aside, when VHS VCRs were launched, the first models easily crept into the $2k and even $3k range. And this is not even adjusting for inflation.
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I wonder what would be the difference between the stand alone player and the PS3 !? Maybe the PS3 can\'t do/play some media the sa-player can ?!
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well, standalone blu ray player costing $1,000 and over will have a better build quality. Like the case are made of better metal quality over the plastic like of cheaper player. On screen LCD to show you timer, chapter, Titlet, etc, not to mention bigger power supply inside the player. And also, they probably uses 2 or 3 seperate lasers pickup instead of 1 that PS3 uses. Maybe better video processor for Blu Ray movies than PS3...
But most of that shouldn\'t matter if picture accuracy and performance isn\'t good. Believe me, I read about DVD players costing $1,000 and more that have poor deinterlacing and sometimes video processing too.
But I do believe PS3 will have pretty accurate video accuracy and performance for Blu Ray Movies, yet costing cheaper than some stand-a-lone Blu Ray players that cost much more, but have some inaccurate video performance and below average...again, this is just speculation.
Why I believe PS3 will have accurate video accuracy and decent performance is because I judge how well PS2 process in picture accuracy for DVD video and videogames.
I also read that PS3 can process 12 bits per channel for each RGB channel and output it via HDMI...actually, Sony would hope 16 bits per channel. I was thinking, wow, it\'s really necessary to use that much bit depth per channel and just how did Sony manage to do that but still try to keep the cost of PS3 down?
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here is a link (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/679/679522p1.html) where Sony mention about 16 bits per channel processing...
and here is a part of it:
Kutaragi let slip one bit about the PS3\'s next generationness (it\'s a word -- look it up!). According to Kutaragi, Sony is hoping to make the PlayStation 3 compatible with the next generation of HDMI output (HDMI is a type of connection that will likely be required for viewing movies in high definition). The current generation of HDMI offers 8-bit levels for each color channel. The next generation of HDMI will offer 16-bit levels. "It\'s meaningless to process at 16 bit internally and then output at 8 bit," Kutaragi commented. "We\'d like to have sixteen bit, or at the very least, 12 bit."
Interesting...
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If PS3 costs that much, Nintendo is going to find it a lot easier to sell systems. Hope they can make enough to keep up with demand.
-Dan
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This just in ...
Sony will not launch the PS3 for more then $449
I will say $399
stop thinking it will be more.. it won\'t Sony has 3 different very important technologies that could make or break Sony\'s future and existence if they fail.
PS3
Cel
Bluray
Sony needs to get as many PS3\'s in the hands of consumers ASAP after release, and then start working the bluray movie magic.
Once they\'ve estsablished this userbase, bluray will get stronger benefiting Sony with licensing an dmovie sales
Sony can also use the PS3 to further drive the cel technologies by establiishing it in the industry via the PS3, drivng down future pricing fo rthe cel chip and feeding cel R&D
The Playstation name is launching many new Sony techologies, but Sony only benefits from these techologies if they can get them into consumers hands.
At $500 or more man consumers are not going to be in much of hurry, however at $399 people will jump on it. Sony is not going ot do anything that will slow PS3 sales, SOny wants the PS3 to fly out of the gate an dleave no doubts.
$399 that the price I\'m sticking with based upon what Sony is trying to achieve. Sell the hardware at a loss, but make Billions in the end... This has been done before, and Sony knows how this all works.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
This just in ...
Sony will not launch the PS3 for more then $449
I will say $399
stop thinking it will be more.. it won\'t Sony has 3 different very important technologies that could make or break Sony\'s future and existence if they fail.
PS3
Cel
Bluray
Sony needs to get as many PS3\'s in the hands of consumers ASAP after release, and then start working the bluray movie magic.
Once they\'ve estsablished this userbase, bluray will get stronger benefiting Sony with licensing an dmovie sales
Sony can also use the PS3 to further drive the cel technologies by establiishing it in the industry via the PS3, drivng down future pricing fo rthe cel chip and feeding cel R&D
The Playstation name is launching many new Sony techologies, but Sony only benefits from these techologies if they can get them into consumers hands.
At $500 or more man consumers are not going to be in much of hurry, however at $399 people will jump on it. Sony is not going ot do anything that will slow PS3 sales, SOny wants the PS3 to fly out of the gate an dleave no doubts.
$399 that the price I\'m sticking with based upon what Sony is trying to achieve. Sell the hardware at a loss, but make Billions in the end... This has been done before, and Sony knows how this all works.
At first they speculated ps3 would cost 494 to make. Now they are saying blueray is pushing the cost of ps3 higher. If they do sell it for $399. Sony will be losing the price of xbox360 core system on each console:eek:
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stop worrying about your PS3 pricetag
standalone players are overpriced yeah you also pay for brand and some slick front bezel material
why would i pay for Xb360 when i got a X2 4800 pc very soon ? (xb360 library is pc port-a-licious as we speak already)
PS3 and Rev will deserve my money though.
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There are several things a standlone will do better than the PS3:
- smoother ff/rw & slomo
- menu load times
- player noise
- seamless branching (jumping layers)
- disc errors (basing this on previous console movie players)
- mpeg-4/vc-1 chipset quality
- video DAC quality (for component output)
All of which can add up to an extra $500, which makes sense. Processing those next-gen codecs is a huge strain, and the first generation of players are still trying to figure out the best ways to do it.
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Maybe, but a standalone blu ray player or hd dvd player or even a pc internal version of those won\'t be able to play MGS4 or any of those other PS3 games.
The ONLY thing which matters is the fact that my fav game developers focus on PS3 coding. That\'s where their effort and time goes into and nothing else.
and i don\'t ff-ing care about EA\'s crappy multiplatform games nor about sportsgames.
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I refuse to pay even $400 for a system. I remember the $250 with a pack-in game days. Screw this $300 with nothing and now maybe $400 or more.
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Originally posted by Knotter8
The ONLY thing which matters is the fact that my fav game developers focus on PS3 coding. That\'s where their effort and time goes into and nothing else.
This is very true. I work at a games studio and we always focus on the PS2 title regardless of how many platforms its been released on - reason being, we sell more of the PS2 unit.
Same will apply for PS3 if they get the market share, its just the highest common denominator.
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Rumor has it ps3 may be delayed. They say it is a bitch to program for and the games won\'t be ready in time. I am hoping this is not the case.
When you think about sony has not been saying nothing much about it and ps3 is supose to launch in spring. I don\'t think the games will be ready in time either.
I guess I\'ll be forced to get a 360.
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Rumor has it that PS3 will ship next month worldwide, it\'s extremely easy to develop for and the 45 launch games are all awesome.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I refuse to pay even $400 for a system. I remember the $250 with a pack-in game days. Screw this $300 with nothing and now maybe $400 or more.
Snap out of it son, this is the year 2006, inflation and the fact that Sony is putting state of the art electronics into its system makes $400 for a PS3 a no brainer for me.
If Sony did offer a $299 PS3 system with game you can bet the farm it wouldn\'t be the PS3 we are expecting. You would end up buying a machine that cost $200 less to make then the PS3 Sony is building. I wouldn\'t want that, neither does the majority IMO.
I\'d pay the $400 without even thinking twice... its worth every soingle penny IMO. In fact its a steal considering Sony will lose close $200 on it, I\'m geting a super computer for less then cost.
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Originally posted by Samwise
Rumor has it that PS3 will ship next month worldwide, it\'s extremely easy to develop for and the 45 launch games are all awesome.
:rolleyes:
I know it\'s hard but don\'t be such an ass. If you want a source go search the damn internet.
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The PS3 is reportedly difficult to develop for, and while there are 71 developers currently working on 102 games, only eight titles have been announced for release in 2006, with just two slated for spring
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6143288.html
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Quddus,
Aren\'t you getting sick n tired of playing Mr. \'predict PS3 doom\' Nostradamus ?
gee....:laughing:
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Originally posted by Knotter8
Quddus,
Aren\'t you getting sick n tired of playing Mr. \'predict PS3 doom\' Nostradamus ?
gee....:laughing:
lol:rofl: I am just overly excited about the thing launching. And very impatient mostly because I have no console right now.
I gave away my ps2 long time ago. And the only next gen console out now is 360. With the library of games it has and the price tag. It just isn\'t worth it too me.
Plus I am looking to drop 400 on one console not two.
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aww.. sorry to hear that. ;)
I got 2 PStwo\'s an Xbox, a pretty good
current pc and new pc hardware soon..
don\'t play all that much though.
maybe i\'m spoilt
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Originally posted by QuDDus
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6143288.html
Still a lot easier compared to PS2 from what I hear. :)
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Originally posted by QuDDus
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6143288.html
There are also links that state the opposte.Its a mixed thing
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I know it\'s hard but don\'t be such an ass. If you want a source go search the damn internet.
Bah. If you need a source for what I said, then go search the Internet. Sure, most of what I said was in jest, but as Fastson said, it\'s being reported EASY to develop for... which is the complete opposite of your rumor. So \'cuse me for not believing the current talk of ... basically nothing.
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I\'ve heard more "It\'s easy", then "It\'s a pain in the buttocks"
with a PC styled graphics chip and Open GL API its a no brianer that it is easier IMO
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Originally posted by Unicron!
There are also links that state the opposte.Its a mixed thing
Yep, veteran PS2 developers say its "easy" while PC developers who aren’t used to the multithreaded architecture say its a hard system to develop for (see: Carmack and Gabe Newell).
PS2 developers have had almost 6 years to get aquatinted with the multi core Emotion Engine, PC developers are just getting started. I think the majority of the developers who are bitching are PC devs.
Btw, Gabe Newell mentioned in an interview with G4 that he thought Naughty Dog was the developer who has come the furthest in understanding multi core development, so I cant wait to see whatever engine they are working on. :)
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I have no doubts that the PS3 will be competitevly prices against the xbox 360. $399
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it could be 499$ and sales would not be affected.
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I\'m guessing 449 in the US and Japan. 499 elsewhere.
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What a rip, eh?
-Dan
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I recall PS2 being like $600 when it launched here. I don\'t suspect PS3 will be any cheaper with inflation and all.
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PS2 launched with a price tag of 4500SEK in Sweden, 360 (Premium) is available from 4000SEK (~500USD).
So I expect the PS3 will be available for 4500-5000, Xbox is pretty popular here so it could be a good idea to sell the PS3 for around that price, especially if the PS3 arrives as late as everyone is expecting (Q4 2006 or Q1 2007).
Though I\'d be willing to pay up to 6000SEK if that means we get to keep the old game prices of 499-549SEK, 360 games sell for 599-649. :eek:
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Originally posted by mm
it could be 499$ and sales would not be affected.
I would get a 360 if that happens. There is noway I would pay $500 for a video game console. $399 is too much already.
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then someone else would buy the one you left on the shelf
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I would get a 360 if that happens. There is noway I would pay $500 for a video game console. $399 is too much already.
I don\'t think you have to worrie about that because ps3 will launch for less than $499.
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doubt it. Gamespot had some poll saying it might cost $900 to make it. Not really sure if thats true, but if that is i dont doubt itll cost $500. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6144600.html
Ill probably fork out the extra $100. Been impressed with the games and the stronger system. You get what you pay for. BUT, if it gets above $500 i wont buy it.
maybe sony\'s being sneaky..say itll cost 500-600 bucks now, then when its released at $325 everyone will want one.
can wish...
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I doubt that it will come in over $500. It just seems silly for Sony to do such a thing. I will still buy one but if it goes much over that I may wait. Then again I bought a 3DO. :rolleyes:
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The news station here was talking about how sonys losing money and what-not and that they might sell the console from $300-400.
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It doesn\'t matter, no company makes money off the hardware anyway. Basically all the revenue comes from the games.
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
The news station here was talking about how sonys losing money and what-not and that they might sell the console from $300-400.
Yes they will lose about $200 - $400 per console sold, but Sony will make its profits on liscensing (everything PS3 has to have a liscense from Sony) Game sales, periphial sales, and bluray liscensing/movie sales.
The PS2 lost close $200 per console sold at launch, and the original PSX lost money, but we al know how that turned out.
Analyst determine worse case scenarios so investors can get a better idea of how a company will do in the long run.
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almost 4 years later, and xbox hasn\'t made 1 cent for microsoft
they account for this
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I\'m hoping the XBox does well. Competition is good for everybody and gives us more choices.
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Sony admits possible PS3 delay (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6144963.html)
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Originally posted by Knotter8
Sony admits possible PS3 delay (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6144963.html)
That sucks i will have to get 360 now. I will be too bored not to have some system at home. My cousin brought a ps2 in the house. But I have not even wanted to play ps2 since I gave mine away.
I guess I will
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Wouldn\'t this have been expected to increase hype?
EDIT: What is this spring launch they are talking about? Is this just in Japan?
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Springlaunch was supposedly to include USA.
A November/December launch would be good for USA and Japan. However, for the PAL region, 2007 launch would suck a bit more.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
That sucks i will have to get 360 now. I will be too bored not to have some system at home. My cousin brought a ps2 in the house. But I have not even wanted to play ps2 since I gave mine away.
I guess I will
Well you dont know how big the delay will be yet.If its 2-3 months it wont be too long.
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Originally posted by Knotter8
Springlaunch was supposedly to include USA.
Sony never said where it would launch in spring ***wink-wink nod-nod*** rather they left it to the media and fanboys to pick up that spring US ball and run with it.
NA spring launch never made much sense to me
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Hence the word \'supposedly\' :)
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More news on possible delays
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6145450.html
I have a sick feeling we won\'t see ps3 at all this year. I hope this is just a marketing toy by sony to draw even more hype. But there are too many sources reporting that the thing won\'t launch.
Sony isn\'t saying much hopefully E3 will shed more light on what going on.
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2007..im tempted to just get a 360,heh.
I really want the ps3 (obvious reasons)..but its only the 3rd month in 2006 and we gotta wait a whole year.
Doubt i can get both with the ps3 costing a grip.
Question: Are the screenshots on gamespot.com and stuff renders? or actual in game? Trying to gage if its really worth the time and extra money. Because right now the screens of ps3 look a lot better to me than the 360 screens.
I honestly think the difference between the two will be the same as the difference between xbox and ps2 (minimal graphics wise). But im not sure.
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I just bought a video card and a computer. I\'m good for a year;
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
2007..im tempted to just get a 360,heh.
I really want the ps3 (obvious reasons)..but its only the 3rd month in 2006 and we gotta wait a whole year.
Doubt i can get both with the ps3 costing a grip.
Question: Are the screenshots on gamespot.com and stuff renders? or actual in game? Trying to gage if its really worth the time and extra money. Because right now the screens of ps3 look a lot better to me than the 360 screens.
I honestly think the difference between the two will be the same as the difference between xbox and ps2 (minimal graphics wise). But im not sure.
According to what I\'ve been reading there is not going to be that much of a difference at first. Maybe as the two age the PS3 will come out on top. Is it worth the wait? Not sure. That\'s why I bought a 360 and will eventually get the PS3. So far Fight Night 3 has made the 360 purchase worth it.
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i\'m glad it\'s not coming out this spring
not like xbox 360 has anything worth playing to explain the rush job to market it got
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now, if someone knows wtf i just wrote..
i\'ll give u a cookie....
carry on.
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Kerntopf gate? hmmmmmmm
I\'m still predicting that we get the PS3 here in NA for November this year, so they can hit the holiday market (and hopefully without massive shortages). Japan... getting a bit harder, perhaps 3rd quarter?
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Originally posted by Ace
According to what I\'ve been reading there is not going to be that much of a difference at first. Maybe as the two age the PS3 will come out on top. Is it worth the wait? Not sure. That\'s why I bought a 360 and will eventually get the PS3. So far Fight Night 3 has made the 360 purchase worth it.
my brother convinced me to wait, if i wasnt getting both.
Ps3 has metal gear, resident evil, gran turismo, grand theft auto..fight night 4 by the time the damn thing comes out.
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/6146440.html
PS3 games inferior to xbox360 games? Well final dev kits will be released in june that still gives developers months to get games ready.
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[((A+B ) . C ) + (A.B )] = Q
now, if someone knows wtf i just wrote..
i\'ll give u a cookie....
carry on.
Is that the formula you used to create the world\'s largest penis, which you so humbly lay next to every night in admiration?
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It will not cost $500 at launch thats rediculous
Sony owns more then double the marketshare of MS, and pumps out more then 3x\'s as many games.
The fact is because of Sony\'s dominant marketshare they can afford to take a bigger loss on the hardware. They\'ll make it up in the usual ways liscensing, games, periphials and downloadable content.
Sony might take a larger loss, but there larger profit margins will easily make it up. Sony can also bank on their machine being the most powerful, so add that to the already dominant palystation name and Sony is really in a winwin situation and has no reason to try and squeeze more money out of early PS3 adopters IMO.
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In an unfortunate turn of events for the legions of Australian video game fans, Sony\'s president of the Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios division Phil Harrison announced today that the upcoming PlayStation 3 controller will be unable to pull double duty as a precision kangaroo killer. Apparently the boomerang/banana shape that we\'ve come to hate despise detest accept as the PS3\'s major drawback is being "tossed" in favor of an unspecified redesign (NOT the one pictured here) that will be unveiled at E3 in May, mentioned Harrison in a speech that was mainly about the Xbox Live-like PlayStation Network Platform. There\'s a lot of pressure on Sony here to unveil something appealing for several reasons: they need to placate the vocal minority of ravenous fanboys who publicly slammed the initial design, but more importantly, they need to prove they can outdesign a bunch of very talented gaming blog readers.<<<<<
Damn skippy.
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/6146440.html
PS3 games inferior to xbox360 games? Well final dev kits will be released in june that still gives developers months to get games ready.
I love reading info like that. IBM had to come in and lay the smack down on the dev tools side. :D