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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: GmanJoe on January 26, 2006, 07:54:06 AM
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http://blog.borgnet.us/2006/01/24/national-public-radio-npr-interview-between-a-female-broadcaster-and-us-marine-corps
This is a portion of a National Public Radio (NPR) interview between a female broadcaster and US Marine Corps General Reinwald who was about to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop on his military installation.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: So, General Reinwald, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base?
GENERAL REINWALD: We’re going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery and shooting.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Shooting! That’s a bit irresponsible, isn’t it?
GENERAL REINWALD: I don’t see why. They’ll be properly supervised on the rifle range.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Don’t you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
GENERAL REINWALD: I don’t see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: But you’re equipping them to become violent killers.
GENERAL REINWALD: Well, Ma’am,you’re equipped to be a prostitute, but you’re not one, are you?
The radio went silent and the interview ended.
Man.....I hope this isn\'t Snoped! :p
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Told her. :)
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+1
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That would be fucking awesome.
Logan has a BB gun. We shoot it every once and a while. Jus tone more way of teaching responsibility. He knows he can\'t shoot it without glasses and without someone there.
I\'ve done a ton of things over the past couple of years for Logan to teach him responsibility and I feel that it has made him a much better person.
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Gotta love Scott\'s blog.
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Quite possibly one of the best threads I read yet...
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This snope\'s version from the linked is even more funnier.
A couple went on vacation to a fishing resort up north. The husband liked to fish at the crack of dawn. The wife liked to read.
One morning the husband returned after several hours of fishing and decided to take a short nap. Although she wasn\'t familiar with the lake, the wife decided to take the boat out.
She rowed out a short distance, anchored, and returned to reading her book. Along came the sheriff in his boat. He pulled up alongside her and said, "Good morning, Ma\'am. What are you doing?"
"Reading my book" she replies as she thinks to herself, "Isn\'t it obvious?"
"You\'re in a restricted fishing area," he informed her.
"But officer, I\'m not fishing. Can\'t you see that?"
"Yes, but you have all the equipment. I\'ll have to take you in and write you up."
"If you do that, I\'ll have to charge you with rape," snapped the irate woman.
"But, I haven\'t even touched you," groused the sheriff.
"Yes, that\'s true," she replied, "but you do have all the equipment."
MORAL: Never argue with a woman who knows how to read.
So funny, and I thought the interviewed between the general and the female was real.
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Heh, that\'s awesome. That guy showed that interviewer. Teaching a child firearm safety does teach responsibility. I had a BB gun when I was young and I always shot it with glasses on and always at a target. I became a very responsible user who respected what these things could do. Now, I hope to buy a rifle one day and go hunting (which I love to stick to the animals rights people I know. They get so pissed when I tell them I want to go hunting. I get a speech about how its inhumane then I tell them I\'m just doing my part to control the population :) ).
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Off topic, but I have no desire for my kids to ever hold a gun or learn how to use one. I know some say that it is smarter to teach them, but I disagree. Then again, I have never held one and have no desire to.
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It\'s not the idea of shooting a gun. It\'s the idea of teaching responsibility. Like making your child feed the dog, or feed fish, or pick up his room. All of which teach responsibility. But only if you are strict and determined.
I wouldn\'t let Logan shoot a real gun until he\'s at least in high school. A pump b-b gun can\'t do much at all.
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good things i have no desire use a gun either. I agree about teaching responsibility when you teach someone how to use a gun and how to shoot.
But what if say your child grow up into adolescent and somehow fall into severe depression for some reasons. I might fear he/she might take his/her life by shooting himself/herself.
Or what if someone in school or in real life pisses off or did something awfully wrong to that kid. I fear he might use the gun for homicide to get even.
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There are a billion other & better ways to teach kids responsibility, than fire arms training.
If a kid does want to learn shooting, he\'d best wait until he\'s old enough to join a shooting range club (which is age 16 or 18 in EU if I am not mistaken)
or
join the army where learning to shoot fire arms is just a mere aspect of military responsibility ; there, it is IN CONTEXT.
Just teaching kids under 16 or 18 the skill of fire arms handling without proper legal context is dangerous imho.
Very funny interview text though :laughing:
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you kids are silly.
Paul2... Do you really think that by my son shooting a bb gun, he is now trained to shoot himself when he gets depressed? I don\'t have to teach him how to pull the trigger. I have to teach him how to aim. He can learn to pull the trigger just by watching freaking TV.
Knotter.. You are entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong it is. ;)
BTW, would a bb gun be considered a firearm? It works on air pressure. Enough power to kill a gnat from 10 paces.
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A \'wrong\' opinion ? * sigh *
I\'m just saying that proper fire arms training belongs with the professional
occupation/job which legally require
handling of fire arms when absolutely
needed ;
- soldiers
- police officers
- security
- and maybe some other professions
don\'t recall atm.
These ppl serve a righteous purpose ; to serve the safety of civilians. If this safety is threatened by evil force, these professionals are allowed to use lethal force by means of fire arms.
Imho, it\'s crossing a dangerous line when you bring that fire arms training to the civilians side. Yes, even if it\'s an air pop gun.
The only civvy thing i can think of which uses fire arms training is the hobby of shooting range. The fire arms always stay on the shooting range club as they should.
This is in line with the European laws regarding fire arms and training of fire arms. It is also my personal opinion. Some of you guys just speak up yours a little louder :)
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as far as bb guns are considered...i just seen a news report where these three young kids tried to rob this girl with a bb gun...they shot her right in her eye....completely shattered it. I also feel that kids shouldn\'t be taught how to hold such weapons. Me personally i don\'t feel anybody needs to be walkin\' around with a gun on them cept for the authorities. I know that there will always be people who can get a gun off the black market....but still..there are other ways to teach a child responsibility.....as always this is my opinion of course...
there was also another story where a seven yr old brought a gun to a day care ctr,..where the gun went off and it shot another child in the arm. Most likely the parent\'s fault, but still that child most likely brought that gun to school to show it off and something tragic like that happens....for me, i just have to leave the guns alone altogether...
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If you have a responsible child you can teach him responsible things. I shot soda cans with a BB gun with my dad when I was a boy.
Still haven\'t killed myself. Or him.
-Dan
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oye.... You can\'t compare my son with someone who would go and shoot a girl in the eye and rob her.
Not even worth the energy to type.
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Originally posted by Paul2
But what if say your child grow up into adolescent and somehow fall into severe depression for some reasons. I might fear he/she might take his/her life by shooting himself/herself.
I hate to break it to you but teaching your kid how to shoot a gun does not mean they will turn it on themselves. If you\'re kid saw an action movie, he has enough knowledge to point the gun to himself and pull the trigger. Its not exactly rocket science. Anyone that even knows what a gun is knows that to kill themselves, you put it to your head and pulling the trigger is how its done. Sheltering your kid from holding a gun is not gonna discourage them from shooting themselves.
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but teaching them how to use a gun mean that they need to own a gun in order to do that.
while not teaching them how to use a gun means that you don\'t have a buy a gun for the kid. So later in life, he or she won\'t use it against him because he don\'t have it and too young to buy one and less likely to buy a gun later in life...
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Paul2, please don\'t breed.
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Then again, I have never held one and have no desire to.
Never? :eek:
What about a squirt gun?
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Originally posted by Paul2
but teaching them how to use a gun mean that they need to own a gun in order to do that.
while not teaching them how to use a gun means that you don\'t have a buy a gun for the kid. So later in life, he or she won\'t use it against him because he don\'t have it and too young to buy one and less likely to buy a gun later in life...
Let me shoot you from 10 yards with his bb gun. You\'d think a mosquito bit you.
oh, and Bozco said it best.
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Originally posted by Paul2
but teaching them how to use a gun mean that they need to own a gun in order to do that.
while not teaching them how to use a gun means that you don\'t have a buy a gun for the kid. So later in life, he or she won\'t use it against him because he don\'t have it and too young to buy one and less likely to buy a gun later in life...
What the fuck are you talking about? I dont\' own a gun and I\'m very accurate with one as well as responsible. I learned how to fire one from my father who gave me a BB gun when I was younger (don\'t even have it anymore). Then I learned how to fire a .22 rifle, a shotgun and a civil war era muzzle loading rifle in Scout camp. And the Boy Scouts spend like 2 days out of 5 at camp stressing responsibility and safety you wouldn\'t believe.
Besides, how many video games do you play seriously have never shown you how to fire one?
If you don\'t know how to fire a gun, you really should be shot. Its not that frickin hard. You point the open end of the barrel to a target and you pull the trigger. Its not that hard.
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Originally posted by Titan
If you don\'t know how to fire a gun, you really should be shot. Its not that frickin hard. You point the open end of the barrel to a target and you pull the trigger. Its not that hard.
I never in my life hold a gun or own one before. That\'s why I didn\'t know it was so easy to shoot. I thought you need practice to aim at the target from a distance and shoot at the specify spot or something. And I assumed that you need to know how to hold the gun properly, and learn how to load the magazines in properly too or something.
Again, I am nearly clueless when it comes to guns. So, I didn\'t know it was much easier to use than I thought.
I guess that\'s a good thing my family doesn\'t own a gun or touch one before. Otherwise, I would have been dead a long time ago...just me personally...:D
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Originally posted by Paul2
I never in my life hold a gun or own one before. That\'s why I didn\'t know it was so easy to shoot. I thought you need practice to aim at the target from a distance and shoot at the specify spot or something. And I assumed that you need to know how to hold the gun properly, and learn how to load the magazines in properly too or something.
Again, I am nearly clueless when it comes to guns. So, I didn\'t know it was much easier to use than I thought.
I guess that\'s a good thing my family doesn\'t own a gun or touch one before. Otherwise, I would have been dead a long time ago...just me personally...:D
Most people that commit murders do it at point blank range so you don\'t need to know how to use it, just to point and shoot. Yes you need practice if you shoot at a distance. I\'ve never fired a handgun so I can guarentee my accuracy is shit but I\'ve fired a shotgun and can completely blow a clay pigeon into dust much of the time. I fired .22 rifles in a sitting position but standing up my accuracy is a little less. But I was pretty accurate with a black powder rifle standing up. I was the only one in the group at camp that actually hit the target (it was just a one day, one shot thing and the target was a clay pigeon clothespinned to a wire). When I get into the military, then they really teach me how to shoot.
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I\'ve shot a glock before.. That\'s the only hand gun I\'ve ever shot. It\'s tough. Rifles and shotguns are way easier to shoot a target.
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Originally posted by Paul2
I guess that\'s a good thing my family doesn\'t own a gun or touch one before.
Paul, don\'t bother..
This is still by majority, a USA based forum.
More or less futile to argument against that country\'s gun law or general stance on civilian gun possession.
Your general opinion on it is welcomed in Europe :)
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Teaching fire arms safety is essential. Also, letting the child know just how dangerous guns are will instill upon them a very good sense of fear and responsibility. They will also know that the guns they see in movies are just that - movies.
If a kid not knowing anything about guns except what they see in movies and gets a hold of a gun, is far more dangerous to themselves and others than those kids who have had proper training with fire arms. From BB guns to howitzer.
It\'s like giving a non-driving 14 year old a car with an auto transmission and a 14 year who has been given proper training how to drive a vehicle. You know who\'ll live and who won\'t.
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Originally posted by videoholic
I\'ve shot a glock before.. That\'s the only hand gun I\'ve ever shot. It\'s tough. Rifles and shotguns are way easier to shoot a target.
Shotguns have a hell of a kickback though. Some rifles do too but a 12 guage compared to a .22 rifle is one hell of a difference :)
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OPh hell yeah. But the glock has some kick too.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Teaching fire arms safety is essential.
If a kid not knowing anything about guns except
what they see in movies and gets a hold of a gun
It is patching a crucial problem ; legal fire arms possesion. That is the core root problem.
Obtaining a vehicle, car or whatever is something extremely different from obtaining an object which is legally classified as a weapon ; fire arms.
Under Dutch law, kids are taught that possesion of fire arms is illegal ; hence they will be taught the responsibility to identify any situation where they spot a fire arm in the vicinity as illegal.
The child will be taught various ways to deal with the situation. Most commonly ; get the F out of there and report it to either the parents or the authorities directly. This kind of legislation is therefor tackling, any possible fire arms problem, a step ahead ; at the root.
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Originally posted by Knotter8
The child will be taught various ways to deal with the situation. Most commonly ; get the F out of there and report it to either the parents or the authorities directly.
Can you tell me anything else you can do? You mentioned Various Ways....
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Originally posted by videoholic
Can you tell me anything else you can do? You mentioned Various Ways....
Ok, well I meant a various amount of ways to accomplish the same goal ; which is to have the weapon to be reported and handed over to the authorities.
Indeed the best way for a kid would be to not touch the weapon at all and to make sure that nobody has a chance to touch it while he/she is either getting the police him/her self or having that done by an adult.
And of course, the legislation of fire arms prohibition is to make sure such dangerous situations do not occur in the first place.
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good things i have no desire use a gun either. I agree about teaching responsibility when you teach someone how to use a gun and how to shoot.
But what if say your child grow up into adolescent and somehow fall into severe depression for some reasons. I might fear he/she might take his/her life by shooting himself/herself.
Or what if someone in school or in real life pisses off or did something awfully wrong to that kid. I fear he might use the gun for homicide to get even.
Dumbest post ever.
By that logic, never teach your child to use a tyenol, in fear of an overdose. Never teach them to shave, in fear of slit wrists.
Never let them cut a steak, in fear of stabbing someone.
I mean, if you don\'t agree with guns, that is fine, but come up with something better than that.
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Originally posted by videoholic
OPh hell yeah. But the glock has some kick too.
I haven\'t shot a handgun yet. I know they have a much more kickback, especially a magnum and a .45. A friend of mine said when he fired a .45, he almsot hit himself in the head becasue he didn\'t think there was that much of a kickback. But a magnum I hear is like "holy shit".
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my only problem with teaching gun control is that it gives the child a chance to get a gun. My parents didnt allow guns (till i was 18..got an airsoft gun from my brother) and i had never touched one in my life. But a friend of mine who had a dad who collected guns killed himself. And i dont believe the whole "if he wants to get a hold of a gun, he will no matter what."
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So you are blaming guns for your friend\'s fathers death?
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no. i dont blame anything. sh*t happens, but i know i wont have a collection of guns when i have a child. Other people can if they want.
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Guns make me antsy, I wouldn\'t want one in my home but I believe it should be your right to own one.
For the record I\'ve shot a rifle and glock before. Was fun but I\'d rather stick to paintball. :)
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Dumbest post ever.
By that logic, never teach your child to use a tyenol, in fear of an overdose. Never teach them to shave, in fear of slit wrists.
Never let them cut a steak, in fear of stabbing someone.
I mean, if you don\'t agree with guns, that is fine, but come up with something better than that.
well, tylenol is a necessary if your child need one. Gun is way more dangerous and have a much higher risk of killing someone when comparing to medication. That\'s why medication bottle caps are design in a way that child couldn\'t accidently open it open.
I didn\'t know a child need to learn how to shave...I didn\'t realize child grows a beard or mustache...sorry for my naiveness in that department. Even if a child need to learn how to shave, it\'s a necessarity because he grows a beard and razors were invented just for shaving.
Knives are also a neccesary for cutting and slicing food for eating. Even though it\'s dangerous, but it\'s a neccesity.
While guns are more for like sports...and they are more likely being misuse than other stuffs you mentioned above.
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Originally posted by Paul2
well, tylenol is a necessary if your child need one. Gun is way more dangerous and have a much higher risk of killing someone when comparing to medication. That\'s why medication bottle caps are design in a way that child couldn\'t accidently open it open.
I didn\'t know a child need to learn how to shave...I didn\'t realize child grows a beard or mustache...sorry for my naiveness in that department. Even if a child need to learn how to shave, it\'s a necessarity because he grows a beard and razors were invented just for shaving.
Knives are also a neccesary for cutting and slicing food for eating. Even though it\'s dangerous, but it\'s a neccesity.
While guns are more for like sports...and they are more likely being misuse than other stuffs you mentioned above.
1: Tyenol are not "neccesary".
2: The whole point you made to begin with was - that by teaching them to use a gun, they may commit suicide or murder. My point was, you can say the same thing just by showing them the most basic things. Guns don\'t kill people, people kill people. It\'s that simple.
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What, in the world\'s name, makes some ppl so defensive about not having acces/legal permission to an object classified as fire arms !? :confused:
(they\'d have a tough time living in a country where fire arms possesion is illegal....)
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But then again they probably wouldn\'t want to live in another country. It\'s part of being "free"
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
By that logic, never teach your child to use a tyenol, in fear of an overdose. Never teach them to shave, in fear of slit wrists.
Never let them cut a steak, in fear of stabbing someone.
I mean, if you don\'t agree with guns, that is fine, but come up with something better than that.
Ahh, now you\'re thinking like a real American.
Refreshing.
-Dan
/what sarcasm?
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It\'s just the way they\'ve been brought up. The fact that guns have been invented, designed, and improved with the primary purpose and use to kill people doesn\'t phase them. Like anything else, they will point out the legitimate uses, (like a steak knife - that can be used for other purposes, but of course, knives were invented as tools for skinning/cutting).
One more reason I\'m glad I\'m not in the USA... on my last trip through North Dakota (or Northern Wisconsin, I can\'t really remeber), I remember having my doors locked, and windows up, because the radio was playing about 3 things.
1/3rd stations:
music
religeous talk
hunting shows
It was the commercials on the hunting shows that were scary... "Your twelve year old bag his first buck? Bring it on down to Joe\'s Taxidermy for a first kill discount"... etc.
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IF it weren\'t for guns an elk would probably have kicked your ass by now.
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It\'s best to not single out or point at the USA as THE country to have legislation of a fire arms permit.
It would be interesting to see a list which countries prohibit gun possesion and which do not.
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Swiss peeps own guns. So do idiots...err....Cypriots. :p
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
Ahh, now you\'re thinking like a real American.
Refreshing.
-Dan
/what sarcasm?
I\'m just pointing out the obvious flaw in his logic. He thinks by teaching them to use a gun, that if they are depressed one days they now have means to kill themselves. No offense, but it doesn\'t take someone with a ton of gun experience to put a gun to their head and pull a fuckin\' trigger.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I\'m just pointing out the obvious flaw in his logic. He thinks by teaching them to use a gun, that if they are depressed one days they now have means to kill themselves. No offense, but it doesn\'t take someone with a ton of gun experience to put a gun to their head and pull a fuckin\' trigger.
Gone are the days where the use of weapons required skill. *sigh*
My bowstaff skillz used to mean something. Now all it takes is some crackhead to cap my ass.
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Originally posted by FatalXception
One more reason I\'m glad I\'m not in the USA... on my last trip through North Dakota (or Northern Wisconsin, I can\'t really remeber), I remember having my doors locked, and windows up, because the radio was playing about 3 things.
Of all the states, your going to be glad ur not in a HUMONGOID country because of north dakota,haha. North dakota is one of those stats people forget exist. Its up there with montana (only remembered because of joe montana) and a few others. the fact u cant even remember if it was north dakota or not says enough about where u were. especially seeing as theres a state between wisconsin and north dakota.\\
FYI, north dakota is one of those states that hunts.
Canada sucks :D ..except that area that vid (i think) posted a while ago..looked pretty nice
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That was a ski resort though . All the shit around it sucked.
;)