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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: clips on February 01, 2006, 08:22:18 AM
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i\'m kinda on the fence on this...i mean i kinda don\'t want iran not to have nuclear weapons, for fear of what they might do, then again, like i\'ve always stated the u.s. and others really have no right to say who should what. before the iraqi warbush went to the u.n. and stated what he wanted to do. China and others didn\'t like the war thing..so bush basically said "fuck ya\'ll" we\'ll do it alone...
I\'ve heard others in the bush admin. already talkin about bombing iran suppossedly nuclear factories. That is the type of things i mean about bush\'s policy. when you spout s**t like that how do you think it makes the other country feel? We already know that there was no wmd\'s in iraq, and you can\'t go around bombing countries on errant suspicions. Even if iran is pursuing nuclear weapons...it might be coming from those countries that the u.s. calls allies ie Britain, Russia, and the u.s. itself.....like i\'ve stated before the u.s. can\'t go around tryin\' to police the world..and it definitely needs to change it\'s policies....
http://www.yahoo.com/s/244691
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Don\'t worry clips - if the UN won\'t act - the Israeli\'s will.
If you have been following this you would know that Europe is actually on the same page as the US this time. A nuclear armed Iran under its current theocracy is a danger to everyone, just look at the crap they spout every day.
Times have changed clips - the cold war was basically a detante where both sides knew that if they attacked there would be a mutual destruction of both. These Jihadists don\'t care about that, after all they are going to get rewarded by "Allah" in the "afterlife". It is the business of the world to stop countries like Iran from obtaining weapons capable of destroying cities and millions of lives in a blink of an eye. Last time I checked we were a part of that world.
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The Iranian government always struck me as being a little more intelligent than some of their peers (such as Saddam Hussein). They seem to think more than one step ahead in situations like this. Therefore, I\'m assuming their threats are just posturing to obtain a slightly better concession out of the western nations when negotiations are concluded.
They KNOW we will never let them have the capacity to enrich uranium to fission weapon levels. If they did that, their regime would be finished. They\'re just bullshitting with all this talk about "Our people will not bow to a few tyrannical countries who think they are the whole world" We have more bargaining power than it would appear. We just need to figure out what non-nuclear chip they want on table in order to concede.
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I too look at their lastest statements just as you do - rhetoric. What concerns me more is their views on Israel specifically. I don\'t believe that is rhetoric considering that Iran has held the destruction of Israel as foreign policy ever since the 1979 revolution. They have also reinforced this view by funding groups like Hamas.
Though, I agree I don\'t think they are as foolish as Saddam was, I do not think rewarding them for not pursuing nuclear weapons is the right thing to do. I do believe that they have every intent on developing nuclear weapons and their song and dance routine regarding whether they will or won\'t is growing old. One day they won\'t, the next day they thumb their noses at the rest of the world.
I also think it is the Iranian governments goal to become the dominant force in the Muslim world. To acheive this, they are using the threat of developing nukes along with their policy on Israel to increase their influence. Make no mistake - Iran is a theocracy and believe they only have to answer to God regardless of what we think is right or wrong.
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I dont\' think the US will be threatened by Iran\'s nukes. You need a way to deliver it. I don\' tknow what their missile status is but I doubt they have ICBMs capable of reaching the US and I doubt they have long range bombers capable of reaching the US. Israel? Definitely. They can put a nuke on a MiG and deliver it if they wanted to.
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The US isn\'t concerned with Iran\'s missiles hitting the US, simply because they can\'t, but the troops stationed in Iraq and nearby...
And don\'t forget about terrorist groups like Hezbollah or Hamas, which have direct links with Iran...
Just let a bomb or 2 be "smuggled" or "stolen" (more like given) by one of them and I fear what may happen...
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More flexing of muscles by iran?..
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/07/09/iran.missiles/index.html
"One Israeli Cabinet member, Shaul Mofaz, recently said the Jewish state "will attack" Iran if it did not halt its efforts to develop nuclear weaponry,"
^^^I still don\'t fully trust iran on havin\' nukes,...just based on the fact in how some extremists are willing to die for the cause in a heartbeat, with no regard for human life whatsoever....so imagine iran with a nuke,..and somebody just happens to piss them off....i don\'t necessarily think that they would push the button for anything,...but i do think if they had a nuke, it wouldn\'t take much & they would talk alot more s**t than they are doin\' now.
But the above statement is a bit concerning as well,...i somehow just don\'t like the way how israel also pops s**t and is more vocal, if only for the fact that they know the u.s. has their back....i don\'t think it\'s really wise to be talkin\' like that....i\'m still kinda shocked that they got away with bombing syria a few months back...at the end of the day tho,...i agree with everybody here..*yes even you giga*...;) in that iran shouldn\'t have nukes,...& i truly would like to give them the benefit of the doubt,..just because i really don\'t like other countries telling other countries what to do,..in this case tho,..i think it\'s justified.
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Obama seems to have flipped on his stance about negotiating with the loony leader of Iran. He made some speech recently about Iran being a threat to world peace or something.
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More flexing of muscles by iran?..
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/07/09/iran.missiles/index.html
"One Israeli Cabinet member, Shaul Mofaz, recently said the Jewish state "will attack" Iran if it did not halt its efforts to develop nuclear weaponry,"
^^^I still don\'t fully trust iran on havin\' nukes,...just based on the fact in how some extremists are willing to die for the cause in a heartbeat, with no regard for human life whatsoever....so imagine iran with a nuke,..and somebody just happens to piss them off....i don\'t necessarily think that they would push the button for anything,...but i do think if they had a nuke, it wouldn\'t take much & they would talk alot more s**t than they are doin\' now.
But the above statement is a bit concerning as well,...i somehow just don\'t like the way how israel also pops s**t and is more vocal, if only for the fact that they know the u.s. has their back....i don\'t think it\'s really wise to be talkin\' like that....i\'m still kinda shocked that they got away with bombing syria a few months back...at the end of the day tho,...i agree with everybody here..*yes even you giga*...;) in that iran shouldn\'t have nukes,...& i truly would like to give them the benefit of the doubt,..just because i really don\'t like other countries telling other countries what to do,..in this case tho,..i think it\'s justified.
We should have carpet bombed their entire "exercise" and we would have wiped out at least half their military. That is the only country I firmly believe is led by crazy asses. North Korea? Nah - China can keep them in check.
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I think whoever attacks Iran will be sorry.
Don\'t worry clips - if the UN won\'t act - the Israeli\'s will.
You still have faith in Israel after the Hezbollah debacle?
Edit: Oh, that was posted before that war. :D
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I think whoever attacks Iran will be sorry.
I bet it won\'t be the US. Too many troops are already out there. Hopeully Russia turns Iran into glass.
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Obama seems to have flipped on his stance about negotiating with the loony leader of Iran. He made some speech recently about Iran being a threat to world peace or something.
Obama never changed his stance...in a nutshell all he ever stated was that the u.s. needs to start talkin\' to their enemies,..even if we don\'t like them...and i agree,...why not just have a straight up one on one talk with people we don\'t get along with?....i agree that sometimes it\'s ok to go that route instead of goin\' thru all of that bulls**t redtape that involves other people speaking for their respected leaders.
you\'ll always have a representaive of one country speaking to another representative of another country, why not just sit both presidents down face to face to have an honest to goodness from gut talks about our misunderstandings and what we can do to resolve them?...i say do that first, then if nothing gets resolved THEN i say go thru your respected representatives to solve the matter,..since by then both leaders know what is expected of each-other.
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I bet it won\'t be the US. Too many troops are already out there. Hopeully Russia turns Iran into glass.
I dont think Russia will, they seem to be on semi-friendly terms with Iran. They even offered to enrich Irans uranium so it could be used in nuclear power plants.
And I dont think Russia wants to help out the US in any way now considering how pissed off they are about whats going on in Europe.
It will probably be Israel with the blessings of the US. It will be interesting to see the Iranian retaliation.
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they\'ll have to cross Iraq to get to Israel. The US troops are there. I can see how this will get interesting for the US troops as millions of Jihadists will be stampeding across the desert to get to Israel. The US troops aren\'t exactly a speed bump.
Hmmm.....
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I think whoever attacks Iran will be sorry.
You still have faith in Israel after the Hezbollah debacle?
Edit: Oh, that was posted before that war. :D
You actually believe the Iranian military is better than the Israeli military? :rofl:
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they\'ll have to cross Iraq to get to Israel. The US troops are there. I can see how this will get interesting for the US troops as millions of Jihadists will be stampeding across the desert to get to Israel. The US troops aren\'t exactly a speed bump.
Hmmm.....
[conspiracy theorist] Which could be the underlying reason why we went into Iraq in the first place; set up a buffer state in which we can stop crazy people and invading armies in Iran from moving from one area of the middle east to the other. Maybe the Bush administration foresaw Iran wanting to invade into Israel and said there were WMDs to get the public on his side. Maybe Bush isn\'t as dumb as people think. Maybe its all a facade. [/conspiracy theorist]
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You actually believe the Iranian military is better than the Israeli military? :rofl:
Clearly he has not watched "Don\'t Mess With Zohan"
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they\'ll have to cross Iraq to get to Israel. The US troops are there. I can see how this will get interesting for the US troops as millions of Jihadists will be stampeding across the desert to get to Israel. The US troops aren\'t exactly a speed bump.
Hmmm.....
I wasn\'t talking about ass-to-ass military action. ;) Iran has weapons which can reach Israel. They also have submarines which could cause a lot of shit in the Gulf.
You actually believe the Iranian military is better than the Israeli military?
Of course not, but the Israel vs. Hezbollah (probably trained and financed by Iran )war showed some major problems within Israels military. I hope they aren\'t underestimating Iran.
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Doesn\'t Iran have oil to sell off... The more these fuckers talk about nuclear, the higher oil will go, who benefits from that again?
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Doesn\'t Iran have oil to sell off... The more these fuckers talk about nuclear, the higher oil will go, who benefits from that again?
Rich oil sheiks?
The sooner this black shit runs out the better.
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Doesn\'t Iran have oil to sell off... The more these fuckers talk about nuclear, the higher oil will go, who benefits from that again?
Why?
I think it depends
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Rich oil sheiks?
The sooner this black shit runs out the better.
I think if oil ever completely ran out, there would be complete chaos....finding alternate sources of energy is fine,...but the solutions today are even more expensive than the procedures to convert oil to gasoline....even for ethanol to have an effect you need some thing like a million acres of corn or some really huge amount just to have a respectable amount of fuel...
I think Vid describe it best when he stated for ethanol to truly have an effect you\'d have to move everybody to the otrher half of the u.s. and reserve the rest of it for corn growth....in other words if we could get say like 5 -6 barrels of oil from like 20 stalks of corn, then that would be something that we could benefit from,..as it is now, it just takes alot of corn to just produce a couple of barrels of oil...the means really doesn\'t justify the ends at this point.
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I think if oil ever completely ran out, there would be complete chaos....finding alternate sources of energy is fine,...but the solutions today are even more expensive than the procedures to convert oil to gasoline....
Or so we are being told ;)
I ll have to agree about biodeasel though. It is indeed a very inefficient solution.
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I think if oil ever completely ran out, there would be complete chaos....finding alternate sources of energy is fine,...but the solutions today are even more expensive than the procedures to convert oil to gasoline....even for ethanol to have an effect you need some thing like a million acres of corn or some really huge amount just to have a respectable amount of fuel...
I think Vid describe it best when he stated for ethanol to truly have an effect you\'d have to move everybody to the otrher half of the u.s. and reserve the rest of it for corn growth....in other words if we could get say like 5 -6 barrels of oil from like 20 stalks of corn, then that would be something that we could benefit from,..as it is now, it just takes alot of corn to just produce a couple of barrels of oil...the means really doesn\'t justify the ends at this point.
I agree, the scientists must get to work! Overtime bitches! ;)
Ethanol is probably a bad choice, for the reasons you listed.
I\'m personally interested in the tech of using regular water as fuel, the car then splits the water into oxygen and hydrogen which the car runs on. Scientists are working on it. Hopefully that works out, since the bi-products are oxygen and water.
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Of course not, but the Israel vs. Hezbollah (probably trained and financed by Iran )war showed some major problems within Israels military. I hope they aren\'t underestimating Iran.
Not really, the Hezbollah conflict was more of a guerilla warfare conflict. It is one thing to hide behind civilians and shoot rockets and quite another to face off against a national military in conventional terms.
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http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/in-an-iranian-image-a-missile-too-many/index.html?hp
Iran is not too savvy with the photoshop. mm is laughing at Iran\'s lame attempt.
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^^tru enough..:p...we need to get jumpy in here for one of his EPIC FAIL pics...:D
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Not really, the Hezbollah conflict was more of a guerilla warfare conflict. It is one thing to hide behind civilians and shoot rockets and quite another to face off against a national military in conventional terms.
They days of conventional wars are over buddy. :)
Hezbollah is not an army, they are only about 10000 strong (maybe half of that was fighting in the war). But they are not your regular thugs (like Hamas) either, these guys have a common uniform, high tech weapons, are very well trained (by Iranians it is said) etc.
They didn\'t hide behind civilians (btw, would that have stopped the Israelis? No), they used tunnels and high tech weapons, that\'s what confused the Israelis. One area was cleared, and all of a sudden during the night Hezbollah popped out of nowhere and took it back. Also they had tech which would detect when the Israelis were approaching, they were monitoring the Israeli radio frequencies and could pin-point Israeli troops. The Israelis actually shut off their equipment because they came under fire whenever it was turned on.
They also managed to damage 57 MBTs out of the 370 which the Israelis attacked with. AND they knocked out a ship.
Even after Israel had bombed the country to smithereens, Hezbollah shot 200 rockets into Israel, that was on the last day of the war and so many rockets has never been fired into Israel before on one single day.
Israel was caught on the bed on that one. It exposed some major problems within their intelligence and military. Even the Israelis themselves agree on this.
No wonder they are now negotiating with Hezbollah instead of attacking them.
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Hehe...
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Iran is Israel\'s problem. We in Florida have Georgia to deal with.
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We in Florida have Georgia to deal with.
i hope they televise that war
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They do. The end of October. Gator Bowl Woot!!!
Shit, I just said woot....
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They do. The end of October. Gator Bowl Woot!!!
Shit, I just said woot....
its no fun unless there\'s piles of dead hillbillies afterwards
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Thats what you say about EVERYTHING.
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its on my business card
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Between Iran and Israel, I would pick Israel to win. They\'ve been kicked around out of their country since the days of Babylon and only recently got their country back.
Talk about perserverence. We\'re talking 1400 years.
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Well it seems nothing will happen for the time being, Iran and the US is in talks again.
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its no fun unless there\'s piles of dead hillbillies afterwards
That is, of course, the primary reason that I take a better-than-passing interest in the Civil War.