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Your thoughts here\'s a good article.
Article (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10990868/)
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It\'s not necessary, but get rid of it and watch the shit storm.
Black history should be (is) integrated into American history, but if we want to take a time to focus on parts of it during February as opposed to never, what\'s the harm?
The irony is that we\'ve separated it by name to seem different than, what, white history?
But that\'s a pretty superficial criticism compared to the benefits.
-Dan
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Instead of these race-related months, they should have:
Ancient History Month
European History Month
Early National Period History Month
Civil War History Month
Rise of Big Business History Month
Social History Month
Military History Month
etc.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Instead of these race-related months, they should have:
Ancient History Month
European History Month
Early National Period History Month
Civil War History Month
Rise of Big Business History Month
Social History Month
Military History Month
etc.
Exactly, follow the History Channel\'s programming guide!
I agree that I don\'t think Black History Month is relevant now. Black history is American history and it should be treated as such. Hell, make a Booker T. Washington Day so I can get another day off of work.
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It isn\'t relevant but I don\'t see the harm in having it. It does bring some interesting history programs with it.
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ya damn skippy it\'s relevant...sheeit,..you white folk put somethin\' on that ass back in tha day!...samurai,..nicon...qdog represent boi!....:p...j/k....seriously tho. i feel it is justified to some degree. i mean yea i agree that it\'s a part of american history, but we as a nation still has a long way to go as far as equality. Some people tend to forget that african americans have contributed alot to this country.
don\'t get me wrong, i believe america has come a long way since the 60\'s, but there are still brutal senseless cases of racial violence and inequality that exist today. I think it still serves it\'s purpose to those white folk that are ignorant and to those young black youth that blindlessly take their freedom and rights for granted....
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Let me remind you there is more black on black crime then there is white on black racial crimes. And until blacks can figure out that they segregate themselves from others this will always be an issue.
I only see its purpose as celebrating it as one month because you need to say we have a month just for saying it.
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Sure keep it. It\'s not like we whiteys pay attention to it anyway. ;)
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I like that the blacks have a separate month. We should be fair and give them other things like separate water fountains and bus seats. That would be true equality.
-Dan
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*sigh*...as usual..you white folks just don\'t get it....
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
I like that the blacks have a separate month. We should be fair and give them other things like separate water fountains and bus seats. That would be true equality.
-Dan
Good point. Why doesn\'t someone do that?
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y\'know..as much as you white folk want to believe we\'re living in a "perfect utopia"...you need to pull that bulls**t from your eyelids...i would love for everybody in america to be considered an american without lookin at race. but sadly that is not the case,...i\'m not gonna go thru the song and dance of stories i\'ve told countless times already. Point is that if some white folk weren\'t racist from the jump,..there would be no need for affirimitive action or any type of race acknowledgement month...
the 60\'s actually wasn\'t that long ago,..and trust nobody\'s livin in the past but there are those in power today that still have that same mindset. that is why we still need these types of racial equality programs and acknowledgements...so don\'t blame us for african american month or things of that nature..you wanna blame somebody..start by lookin in the mirror...
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Mind you not every white person is a racist, but you keep your month and you keep segregating yourself. I dunno I guess that all the white people that are living in poverty must be discrimated against and someone must be keeping them down too, right?
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Originally posted by clips
y\'know..as much as you white folk want to believe we\'re living in a "perfect utopia"...you need to pull that bulls**t from your eyelids...i would love for everybody in america to be considered an american without lookin at race. but sadly that is not the case,...i\'m not gonna go thru the song and dance of stories i\'ve told countless times already. Point is that if some white folk weren\'t racist from the jump,..there would be no need for affirimitive action or any type of race acknowledgement month...
the 60\'s actually wasn\'t that long ago,..and trust nobody\'s livin in the past but there are those in power today that still have that same mindset. that is why we still need these types of racial equality programs and acknowledgements...so don\'t blame us for african american month or things of that nature..you wanna blame somebody..start by lookin in the mirror...
So....we just need that generation of people to just die then :)
I agree with you 100% man. I do have experience with that. My grandfather is a racist and always makes fun of gays and other ethnicities. I couldn\'t even tell him I was dating a Jewish girl. Its hard sometimes when someone goes off about races so ignorantly because I know people from almost every race, ethnic background, sexual preference. It\'s just so offensive to hear someoen from that era spew crap so ignorantly and they never talked to anyone of another race or saw what they were like. Its like they are afraid of them for nothing.
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I hugged a black woman today.
just doing my part.
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I hung out with a Mexican and a Puerto Rican tonight, they\'re not black but still not white folks like clips says, how many white folks do you hang out with?
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mj..it\'s not about how many white people i hang out with....and i\'m not screamin anything near "black power"..:rolleyes:...i just feel that the month is justified to a degree. And i believe i explained that perfectly in my very first post. Y\'know how alot of you white folk like to say..."never forget 911",...well to some afri. americans..slavery, the racial inequalities of yesterday and today are some things we tend not to forget...
i think titan is the only one that gets it..i\'m not asking for reparations or for ya\'ll to kiss our ass for that month, it\'s just a simple acknowledgement of a certain group for a month...mind you there are countless other ethnic months that america celebrates as well....
ultimately if they got rid of it would i be in an uproar?..absolutely not. I\'m sure there would be some that be irate, but i certaintly wouldn\'t be one of \'em....oh and uhm some of my best friends are white...;)......seriously tho i don\'t wanna drag this thing out...bottomline is that racism is gonna be here till the end of time and while it has gotten alot better, there is still room for improvement....:)
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you kinda countered urself in that u want americans to look at people without thinking about race, but u want black history month which pretty much puts notice to race.
I dont see any harm in black history month though. Granted we can learn about MLK and rosa parks without there being a month pointing people like them out and teaching about them, but i think there would be a much bigger uproar if they took it away than if they just let it be.
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well..i actually didn\'t say that america needed it..or that i wanted it...just that imo i thought it was justified to some extent...
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Also, 9/11 is not a white-centric holiday. Poor example, that one.
-Dan
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True dat. The muslims always say to remember 9/11 too.
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
Also, 9/11 is not a white-centric holiday. Poor example, that one.
-Dan
heh heh..you guys are unreal. Whether the comparison was bad or not, wasn\'t the point. I clearly thought you guys knew what i was tryin\' to say. the reason i say 911?...whelp i really couldn\'t come up with anything else that i\'ve heard white folk say regarding something to remember. WHY? because as a whole white folk never really had anything terrible happen to them or forced on them like slavery or the racial inequalities that occured since slavery was banished...
when i was livin\' in jersey and when i turned on the news everytime i turned around,..the cops in NY were brutally and fatally killin\' some minority. And guiliani at the time supported his cops no matter what, no matter how crooked or tainted the scenario was.....alot of that s**t went down when i was in jersey,..and that just happened only just recently in the late 90\'s..
So when 911 happened, all of a sudden we\'re all americans now and we have to stick together..yada, yada ,yada...911 was a tragic event, but there are reason\'s why that happened. heh while the cops of this nation(not all of \'em) where busy pullin\' over african americans for bulls**t..the terrorists were plannin\' s**t right under their nose....
so 911 took a little heat offa us for a minute(arab americans are catchin\' it now) but as soon as everybody got back into their comfort zone...it was back to business as usual.....
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Maybe if you guys didn\'t commit so much crime police wouldn\'t be beating you!!! ;)
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Maybe if you guys didn\'t commit so much crime police wouldn\'t be beating you!!! ;)
well in alot of those scenarios the minority wasn\'t doing anything of that nature. In one scenario the cops somewhere in ny was lookin for somebody,..so they went this guys house...asked him for some ID so the guy went into his pocket to get his wallet and the cop screamed "HE HAS A GUN"..the cops in the surrounding area shot at the house 40 times...i think the guy got hit with like twelve of \'em....
my thing is that alot of white folk will say aw\' c\'mon that s**t happened years ago forget about it. Unless you\'ve experienced it you will never forget it. and how can you forget it when the s**t still goes on in 2006?
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I\'m sure that\'s exactly how that happened, things like that tend to be fudged a little on all the details, but of course a minority ever gets shot its never the minority\'s fault. But hey thats your opinion. Minorities never do anything wrong to get shot at or arrested right?
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jesus...mj..did i ever say that minorities never do anything wrong? Seriously..do i have to explain that? I\'m clearly talkin\' about cases where because the person was black, he was treated unfairly,..and in this case it cost him his life....of course there are minorities who commit vicious crimes and should be punished for it. Sheeit when i see these car chases in california...the majority of the time it\'s a afri american weaving in out of lanes and can actually kill somebody with his recklessness.
I can understand anybody being frustrated and upset when they finally catch that individual. But you still have to remain professional about...yea i\'d throw him around on the car or slam him on the car...and cuff him but that\'s about it. you can\'t go around throwin hooks and jabs on suspect..no matter how heated the scene may get...
so yea mj whoever is doing anything terrible or is commiting crimes needs to be jail mj, but that is not what we\'re talkin about at this moment, and it\'s getting a wee bit off track from the main topic, but there was a reason for it going a bit off track..
that guy rookie,.mookie whatever the f**k his name was..y\'know that old ass gang member that was executed on death row?i was amazed at how many celebrities came out to support him. me personally? i said let him fry...this cat was a cold blooded killer. from i heard he shot like four people in cold blood. and when he was alive he was tryin to say he was not part of that life anymore..yada yada,..but you know what...he wrecked countless lives of families members that he murdered and he should respectively pay for it...
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You act like white people never get mistreated though or anyone that is not a minority for that matter.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
You act like white people never get mistreated though or anyone that is not a minority for that matter.
there will always be asshole cops..no doubt everybody will get picked on at some time or another for whatever reason, the point is that you will never be treated differently specifically for the color of your skin...capeesh?..:)...buying a house, renting...job etc..
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USA is such a young country, relatively.
Whatever form it takes, passing on of the nation\'s history is crucial.
Sometimes it\'s a good thing though to accent other elements or aspects of that history. In other words ; maybe this bhm should take a different form or go a bit low key for a while, otherwise it\'ll maybe have a counter productive effect for what it\'s meant to do.
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What I\'m trying to say is that all you see on the news is white man beating down the black man, you would never see the black cop beating up a crook or vice versa, just like with the muslims, they can talk and say all the bullshit they want on al jazeera but someone writes some funny comics in Denmark and theres a shit storm about it.
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Originally posted by clips
point is that you will never be treated differently specifically for the color of your skin...capeesh?..:)...
Unless we\'re talking to you.
Us white folks, I mean. ;]
-Dan
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Originally posted by mjps21983
What I\'m trying to say is that all you see on the news is white man beating down the black man, you would never see the black cop beating up a crook or vice versa, just like with the muslims, they can talk and say all the bullshit they want on al jazeera but someone writes some funny comics in Denmark and theres a shit storm about it.
that\'s because black cops never beat anybody down..they treat everybody with dignity and respect!..;)...listen i\'m not on some crusade to rights the wrong of every racial incident...All i\'am saying and have been saying is that racism is here for good, but i just don\'t like when white folk act like it doesn\'t exist....And that having bhm,...in the grand scheme of things probably isn\'t even needed at this point, but i feel it\'s perfectly harmless if it\'s left in tact as well...
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
Unless we\'re talking to you.
Us white folks, I mean. ;]
-Dan
:laughing: :laughing:..i know whenever i get into these racial threads, i somehow will come off to some as sounding racist..:p...trust Eik, that is not the case. I\'ve hung out with all types of people and for the times that i\'ve hung out with some cool white peeps we\'ve always joked around with the racial stuff. nothing insulting, but y\'know the lighthearted stuff that you see that goes on in here.
it might seem like i don\'t like white people because in some ways i try to make my point, and that\'s exactly it...i\'m trying to make a point, ..i believe i can kick it with anybody in here,...regardless of race, and treat you just like if you were one of my menz that i hang out with...:fro:
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clips...
If you\'re gonna reference the Diallo shooting, at least get your facts straight...
4 undercovers, searching for a suspect, noticed a man constantly ducking in and out of an apartment building so they identified themselves and told him to stop. If I recall, they never asked for any ID. He just simply ignored them and reached into his pocket. This was a high crime area and it was dark so a wallet could easily be mistaken for a gun. They naturally paniced and, in the heat of the moment, fired. Amidst all the gunshots and confusion, no one would know where the shots were coming from so you can\'t totally fault them for continuously firing.
Its insane to think that they shot him on purpose.
Excessive, yes?
Murder, NO!
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Prejudice and racism have been around since we started... I understand what your saying, I don\'t know about that black cop statement I\'ve met some pretty corrupt ones in my time. ;)
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Oh, by the way, clips...
Bad black cops?
Look at New Orleans and the Katrina incident...
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Originally posted by Ashford
Oh, by the way, clips...
Bad black cops?
Look at New Orleans and the Katrina incident...
i\'m not sure if that incident was diallo or not,..but i\'m sure that\'s how the situation went down. And this person was at his home. i remember reading the story when it happened. the cop went to the door, asked the guy for his ID, dude went into his wallet, and the guy yelled he has a gun...rest is history....as far as bad black cops?..c\'mon ash there are bad black cops as well..:p...but that goes without saying doesn\'t it?
i\'m not really sure what those cops in N.O. was doing. i\'ve heard stories of them stealing cars from dealerships, only to be told that they tryin to salvage cars that they could save FOR the dealerships..:rolleyes:..i know alot of them were involved in the looting, but to some degree i don\'t blame them...i mean if the whole force is depleted and you\'re outnumbered a hundred to one,..especially with escaped convicts that have guns bigger than you, i don\'t think i would have been tryin to play hero....that goes for whether the cop was black or white....that whole katrina thing was just plain ugly overall...
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Originally posted by clips
there will always be asshole cops..no doubt everybody will get picked on at some time or another for whatever reason, the point is that you will never be treated differently specifically for the color of your skin...capeesh?..:)...buying a house, renting...job etc..
That last part is right - you guys qualify for more special government programs than us cracka\'s. For the same home, I would pay quite a bit more than a minority.
Also, bad things have happened to white people - we just don\'t dwell on it. Europe went through feudalism where most people were tied to the land that royality owned. They were essentially slaves themselves. Just look throughout history clips - bad things happen all the time. If you really want to blame someone for slavery - blame the people living in Africa who sold your ancestors into slavery. Us white folk weren\'t brave enough to leave the coastal areas and venture far inland enough to round up slaves.
Anyway, back to the point - I don\'t think Black History Month (when did it become African American History Month?) is necessary. As a few have said, if you want to stop people looking at each others race, then stop having a month dedicated to one race. BTW clips when was the last time you saw a white person, after all you live in Atlanta. ;)
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
That last part is right - you guys qualify for more special government programs than us cracka\'s. For the same home, I would pay quite a bit more than a minority.
Also, bad things have happened to white people - we just don\'t dwell on it. Europe went through feudalism where most people were tied to the land that royality owned. They were essentially slaves themselves. Just look throughout history clips - bad things happen all the time. If you really want to blame someone for slavery - blame the people living in Africa who sold your ancestors into slavery. Us white folk weren\'t brave enough to leave the coastal areas and venture far inland enough to round up slaves.
Anyway, back to the point - I don\'t think Black History Month (when did it become African American History Month?) is necessary. As a few have said, if you want to stop people looking at each others race, then stop having a month dedicated to one race. BTW clips when was the last time you saw a white person, after all you live in Atlanta. ;)
well i wish i could\'ve bought a home using one of those programs...i\'ve bought my home the old fashioned way...saved up, put some money down, that\'s it...i\'m sure they have special housing programs of some sort for minorities but i would have to believe that the area for that home in particular,..wouldn\'t be that great...i\'ve stated what i had to say about black history month already so i won\'t address that furhter,..but the slave thing yea it\'s tru that some african nations sold their own, but at the same token those europeans that came thru there wasn\'t lookin to knock back a six pack with them either...;)...oh and white people?.heh they are all over the place..:).i think all that "atlanta is great for black business" is wee bit overrated..:p..atlanta is just like any other major city imo..it\'s just cleaner than most of them...
and i actually live about 40 miles outside of atlana..:)
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Originally posted by clips
y\'know..as much as you white folk want to believe we\'re living in a "perfect utopia"...you need to pull that bulls**t from your eyelids...i would love for everybody in america to be considered an american without lookin at race. but sadly that is not the case,...i\'m not gonna go thru the song and dance of stories i\'ve told countless times already. Point is that if some white folk weren\'t racist from the jump,..there would be no need for affirimitive action or any type of race acknowledgement month...
the 60\'s actually wasn\'t that long ago,..and trust nobody\'s livin in the past but there are those in power today that still have that same mindset. that is why we still need these types of racial equality programs and acknowledgements...so don\'t blame us for african american month or things of that nature..you wanna blame somebody..start by lookin in the mirror...
First off, quit saying "you white folk." Kidding or not, you wouldn\'t appreciate me saying "you black folk." Morgan Freeman is black, so its not just "us white folk." And I understand it would be your first impulse that we don\'t understand. The fact is you don\'t. For years we have been growing up learning about these african-AMERICANS and the accomplishments they made for OUR country. We aren\'t blind to that. Yes, take pride for the accomplistments we all should. But don\'t take pride because they were black.
Yes, there are racial crimes still going on. But the sad truth is you can\'t get rid of that no matter how aware someone is of black history or black culture. There are ignorant people out there that will live in their own world. There will always be whites killing blacks, blacks killing whites, and so on.
Black history month has done its job, and all its doing is segregating blacks. The sad thing is white people realize its holding back society, and blacks see it as an attack on their progress in society.
You also blame our last grandfathers for the reason it exists. I think thats fucked up. Put the past behind us, and just remember it. Thats all you can do. Black history month is keeping that past alive.
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For the record, I think MLK is the greatest American that has ever lived.
I like all history. I don\'t mind black history month anymore than I would an italian history month, or welsh history month. Bring on the chittlins!!!!
I have to say though, if it\'s still going on when all my hair is white I\'m gonna have to find clips and ram his wheelchair into a busy intersection. :bash: ;)
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Originally posted by Halberto
First off, quit saying "you white folk." Kidding or not, you wouldn\'t appreciate me saying "you black folk." Morgan Freeman is black, so its not just "us white folk." And I understand it would be your first impulse that we don\'t understand. The fact is you don\'t. For years we have been growing up learning about these african-AMERICANS and the accomplishments they made for OUR country. We aren\'t blind to that. Yes, take pride for the accomplistments we all should. But don\'t take pride because they were black.
Yes, there are racial crimes still going on. But the sad truth is you can\'t get rid of that no matter how aware someone is of black history or black culture. There are ignorant people out there that will live in their own world. There will always be whites killing blacks, blacks killing whites, and so on.
Black history month has done its job, and all its doing is segregating blacks. The sad thing is white people realize its holding back society, and blacks see it as an attack on their progress in society.
You also blame our last grandfathers for the reason it exists. I think thats fucked up. Put the past behind us, and just remember it. Thats all you can do. Black history month is keeping that past alive.
i thought i was done with this....i get the feeling you just chimed in without reading any of my previous postings,..because everything you just stated is what i\'ve said already. go back and read what i wrote..And "white folk"...c\'mon man i already stated when we get into these racial threads i have to use those terms to get my point across...it\'s not insulting it\'s just to get my point across....amd how many times have we seen the quote "crazy black people" on these boards?...riiight..countless times and you don\'t see me ever pissin a bitch about it,..cause it\'s lighthearted stuff. so don\'t come at me with that bulls**t..."uhm stop sayin white folk" ..:rolleyes:....when you get involved in these types of discussions, you should be mature enough to see that at least i\'m just using those terms just to get my point across.
but i see your point and others as well. and i can see why you seem to think the month is putting afri. americans back. but that point clearly depends on the individual. if that person is walking around mad at the world, then of course that person is doomed to live in the past forever. ultimately at the end of the day there are bad "people" in the world period...And i can see how uncomfortable it can make some white folk feel when they\'re confronted with bhm. I know it kinda feels like it\'s forved upon you when you see it being broadcast all over the place. I think it\'s main forum should be in places of education tho....to be honset when i used to work in jersey, and my job used to set up props for bhm..it seemed like some of the white people where being extra nice....:(...seriously so i do understand how it can make people feel uncomfortable. the more i think about it, the more i feel that it\'s direction should focused more in schools and education....yeah looking at it from your point of view i can definitely see how it can kinda make you feel uncomfortable..
And thx...i luv you too...:p
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Originally posted by mjps21983
You act like white people never get mistreated though or anyone that is not a minority for that matter.
Hey show me the tape of four black cops beating the shit out of a white guy and I will kiss your ass.
Fuck know we still need black history month. Until african american history does not have to be taught as a seperate study. How can you say get rid of it. African american history is an integral part of american history.
But in suburban white schools they don\'t teach shit regarding african american history. My niece is in 3rd grade goes to some high priced suburb school near hear home. Think they ever bring up Frederick Douglass at her school? Umm...........no
I knew the typical reply here would be get rid of it. I guess without the lil 28 days to remind whitey of how bad he treated us blacks he wouldn\'t have nothing to feel guilty about:rolleyes:
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On leap years do we still have to hug black people for that extra day?
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This thread is getting out of hand.
I wish I had a slave I could make read it for me.
-Dan
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*runs away like a chickenshit cracker.....
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Family circle has always been so cutting edge.
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troofin\'.
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Ouch, I\'m not a nucca and that toon hurts my feelings
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Hey show me the tape of four black cops beating the shit out of a white guy and I will kiss your ass.
Fuck know we still need black history month. Until african american history does not have to be taught as a seperate study. How can you say get rid of it. African american history is an integral part of american history.
But in suburban white schools they don\'t teach shit regarding african american history. My niece is in 3rd grade goes to some high priced suburb school near hear home. Think they ever bring up Frederick Douglass at her school? Umm...........no
I knew the typical reply here would be get rid of it. I guess without the lil 28 days to remind whitey of how bad he treated us blacks he wouldn\'t have nothing to feel guilty about:rolleyes:
QuDdUs. Grow up. You\'re the most ignorant person on this board its a shame you try to speak for blacks. A seperate study? How about a seperate school next? Seperate state? Seperate country? Thats what would happen with someone like you running things.
Sorry your grandfather was treated badly, but you weren\'t treated nearly as bad no matter how much sympathy you want. And Im not going to treat you extra nice for it, because I don\'t owe you anything. You see things one way QuDDus: the world against your race. Until you can see things clearly you will never be happy.
So hurry up and call me racist I just wish there was some device to help you step out of your own hateful world
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Quddus to your comments, you would never see a black cop beating down a white cop because it wouldn\'t be news, but the moment a white cop beats a black person down its on CNN. But whatever anything I say you won\'t agree with so arguing with you would only waste my time at least with Clips he see\'s both sides even if he disagrees with it. I understand the reason for the month, but if you would just put everything in the curiculum for American history and not keep saying your African American, when was the last time your heard a white person say I\'m Anglo-American? Never thats right because we\'re all americans, putting african in front seperates you, do you not see that???? If you don\'t then you shouldn\'t even be providing to the gene pool.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Quddus to your comments, you would never see a black cop beating down a white cop because it wouldn\'t be news, but the moment a white cop beats a black person down its on CNN.
That\'s because you won\'t see white people sticking up for some low life scumbag whitey who puts himself into the position of getting beat by the cops.
On the other hand, blacks don\'t see what the person is like or why they got beat. They just see the color and feel they have to stick up for him.
I remember many years ago being stuck in the middle of a riot in St. Petersburgh. A guy was shot by a cop after lunging his car forward at the cop when the cop was standing there in front with his weapon drawn. The kid was a drug dealer, yet they now have a park in the area named after him.
They should put a park right next to it named after the cop.
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To answer a lot of responses in here. First of all I am very happy. And proud of were I came from and who I am. I don\'t need a month or some day off of work to symbolize to me who I am.
Black history month is everyday of my life.
The actual month to me is more of an homage that I give to my ancestors and those that paved the way for me to enjoy the things that I have today.
Hal sure I am not tread like my fathers were tread. But the agony, pain and struggle that my ancestors went through. Is exactly what makes who I am today. I will never forget the past. And I will teach my children of the past. I want them to know how far we have came. And how far we still have to go.
White peoples perception of african americans is what they see on tv. When we want to preserve the little acknowledgement we have in this country. We always have to be living in the past. Either they try and tell us well it did not happen to you.
Thats what seperates whites from blacks. Because if I see a cop beat down clips. It the same as a cop beating down me. And white people don\'t understand it. They have always treated africans americans as one.
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This is all I need for black history month:
http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/
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Originally posted by QuDDus
White peoples perception of african americans is what they see on tv.
Actually it\'s what whitey sees on the street corners and on the front porches in the hood
Originally posted by QuDDus
To answer a lot of responses in here. First of all I am very happy. And proud of were I came from and who I am. I don\'t need a month or some day off of work to symbolize to me who I am.
Black history month is everyday of my life.
The actual month to me is more of an homage that I give to my ancestors and those that paved the way for me to enjoy the things that I have today.
Hal sure I am not tread like my fathers were tread. But the agony, pain and struggle that my ancestors went through. Is exactly what makes who I am today. I will never forget the past. And I will teach my children of the past. I want them to know how far we have came. And how far we still have to go.
White peoples perception of african americans is what they see on tv. When we want to preserve the little acknowledgement we have in this country. We always have to be living in the past. Either they try and tell us well it did not happen to you.
Thats what seperates whites from blacks. Because if I see a cop beat down clips. It the same as a cop beating down me. And white people don\'t understand it. They have always treated africans americans as one.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Actually it\'s what whitey sees on the street corners and on the front porches in the hood
i thought you was smarter than this Vid...so every african american is reflective of that image? I guess it\'s the truth sadly..the only image the media shows of african americans is that image you just stated. Buy you making that statement of your own accord you reflect that same ignorance i was talkin\' about earlier....i myself have grown up on those same streets you mention, and yet..i went to school held a job for 16 years..moved and bought a brand new crib.
and i don\'t think i\'m the exception either,...there are alot of hard working afri americans in the hood tryin hard for a better life,..mixed in with the drug dealers and people that are shady from the jump. You makin\' that statement proves we still have some ways to go. i myself realize that all white people aren\'t racist...my point from the beginning of this was just to say that it (racism) is still around. And i hope you don\'t put that type of philosophy into your son...because that is where it begins..real shock to hear that from you Vid....
and Chizz i\'ve always known you were a racist bastard!..:p...;)
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^^Ah come on. That\'s bashing his argument for \'style over substance\'.
I see alot of Americans, wether they are white or black, post incorrect English.
Frequent examples :
\'there car\' while he meant to say \'their car\'
or
\'better mp3 player then ipod\' while he meant to say \'better mp3 player than ipod\'
I see Americans make those mistakes very often.
I remember English class in highschool ; it was not done to speak with an American accent or use the so called \'slang\' which kids sometimes picked up from tv shows from the USA. English class was still very much in a United Kingdom style, like it should be.
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oh God. English on this board will drive you nuts if you let it.
And Clips, my point was that on TV you see blacks as high rollers and over the top blingers. Where as most whitey when thinking of black stereotypes really think of the black people at the bus stops or in the hood.
When in reality the bulk are neither and just like middle class whitey.
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Originally posted by videoholic
oh God. English on this board will drive you nuts if you let it.
Well, I am not black nor American but I can see well enough what Clips is saying in forum slang. It\'s not annoying me much.
Language is an important subject though. Here in the Netherlands we have various dialects which can differ ALOT. I don\'t know how much it actually varies from state to state in the USA...
A standard English should be a \'bridge\' rather than a wall of seperation, if you know what i mean.
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actually I was refering to your comment about proper english.
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If you want to tell your kids all the bad things white people do QuDDus. You have the right to. I can\'t believe you really believe we should all live in the past. Well, Jews killed Jesus... lets all remember that.
And if you think white people are seeing a bad image of blacks... thats not our problem. Maybe everyone should stop putting the thug culture on such a high pedestal.
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Very true. Heck, just look at the rapper mentality. THey are making kids think of thug life as propper and just. They make it look like every kid is supposed to carry a gun.
Could you see Sting or Billy Joel in a 50 Cent video?
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there really aren\'t role models for black kids. Probably \'cos there\'sno money in it. It seem any black folks with talent and ambition just want to make music that degrades themselves and objectifies their women. And don\'t bring up MLK, \'cos even he couldn\'t keep it in his pants.
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MLK did more than bone and rap about ho\'s..so why even talk about similarities between rappers to MLK,lol.
abe lincoln probably boned his slaves..so should we take what he did away?
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
MLK did more than bone and rap about ho\'s..so why even talk about similarities between rappers to MLK,lol.
abe lincoln probably boned his slaves..so should we take what he did away?
You know the fact that he compared MLK to rapper just continues to show just how things are really fucked up.
And for your information halberto it is the media that exploits these false images of black ppl. As far as rap culuture is concern a majority of it I don\'t have a problem with.
It\'s the rediculous crap that gets all the exposure and white ppl believe thats how african americans are.
And hal if you want me to forget the past then fuck you. Just because I remember the past does not mean I am living it. I don\'t judge white ppl and I don\'t see them all as devils. The fact that all black ppl have to be judge on what people see in rap videos. That really pisses me off.
The fact that vid brought up rap videos when he talks about african americans as whole just shows how far this soceity still has to go.
I don\'t judge white ppl off the poor white trash, crack loving mages I see all the time.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
The fact that vid brought up rap videos when he talks about african americans as whole just shows how far this soceity still has to go.
Exactly... Blacks are perpetuating the stereotype with their own actions.
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
there really aren\'t role models for black kids. Probably \'cos there\'sno money in it. It seem any black folks with talent and ambition just want to make music that degrades themselves and objectifies their women. And don\'t bring up MLK, \'cos even he couldn\'t keep it in his pants.
wow...if even if the afri. american is doing something positive for EVERYBODY...in this case MLK...he better be flawless...pathetic :rolleyes:...I agree with you tho to some extent as far as degrading themselves and women...afri. americans have to take some responsibilty for that...on the flip side tho...THAT is thee only type of rap that will get air time...if you\'re spewing something positive...it won\'t see the light of day...
And who do you think gets the overall say over what will get played?...riiight..those ceo\'s who most likely are white...even tho puff and others own their own record label, they still have somebody that owns them....still..i believe black folk have to take some responsilbility for that...
as far as the rappers glamorizing that life...sometimes that life is all they know. Other times they choose to do it. And as much as they are glamorizing it..it is obviously makin money from more than just the afri. american fanbase...:fro:...you and Vid probably have a couple rap cd\'s in your collection....and i\'m not talkin\' will smith..i\'m talkin\' the kind you so desperately despise...fiddy...the game?....
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No rap. Except for some old school LL
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Originally posted by QuDDus
And hal if you want me to forget the past then fuck you. Just because I remember the past does not mean I am living it. I don\'t judge white ppl and I don\'t see them all as devils. The fact that all black ppl have to be judge on what people see in rap videos. That really pisses me off.
No, thats not what I said and thats also not what YOU said. I said REMEMBER the past, you said LIVE the past.
Im through talking to you. Im not trying to offend anyone Im trying to just show the truth, and sometimes my friend it hurts.
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blah blah blah generalization blah blah blah stereotype
Look, I can contribute, too.
-Dan
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Stupid, white people...
Stupid, black people...
ASIANS RULE!!!
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.... but can\'t drive for shit.
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Only the immigrants...
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And now we have Oprah at King\'s funeral, is she even relevant to Black people, she\'s appeals to the white masses than anyone else, I hate Oprah by the way.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
And now we have Oprah at King\'s funeral, is she even relevant to Black people, she\'s appeals to the white masses than anyone else.
If what you say is true, then that\'s the kind of thing King was looking for. Race does not divide us.
-Dan
//Our hatred for Oprah divides us.
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Well then let me paraphrase what I meant, that Oprah is there just so that her face is there!!! She could care less, she just wants to put her name there just as much as Jesse Jackson and Al "the village idiot" Sharpton
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i really don\'t have a problem with oprah..her show caters to "WOMEN"..period!....regardless of race....*i had to edit this post*..i want this thread to remain to have some sense of integrity within it,..and what i wrote earlier would\'ve brought it down a bit. as far as coretta king is concerned, she couldn\'t have passed away at a better time. i mean i knew she was very ill, but what better way than to pass away during bhm?...:fro:
I thought it was good to see bush, clinton and others come to show their respects. well you knew that they would do it anyway (what president wouldn\'t?)....speeches made by them were run of the mill type,..but still i thought it was a good look for them..
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I just can\'t stand Oprah, but I\'m glad Ms. King was honored as she should have been, but they should have let everyone except Oprah, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton speak at her funeral and it would have been much better, people that are better role models than Jackson and Sharpton should have spoke at her funeral.
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Dude dont blow it out of proportion. Sharpton and Jackson had to be there, they values a black mans life more than a whites in their own mind probably.
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SAY WHAT?
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Go figure, Mrs. King\'s funeral turned political. :rolleyes:
KING FUNERAL TURNS POLITICAL: BUSH BASHED BY FORMER PRESIDENT, REVEREND
Tue Feb 07 2006 15:49:48 ET
Today\'s memorial service for civil rights activist Coretta Scott King -- billed as a "celebration" of her life -- turned suddenly political as one former president took a swipe at the current president, who was also lashed by an outspoken black pastor!
The outspoken Rev. Joseph Lowery, co-founder of Southern Christian Leadership Conference, ripped into President Bush during his short speech, ostensibly about the wife of Martin Luther King Jr.
"She extended Martin\'s message against poverty, racism and war. She deplored the terror inflicted by our smart bombs on missions way afar. We know now that there were no weapons of mass destruction over there," Lowery said.
The mostly black crowd applauded, then rose to its feet and cheered in a two-minute-long standing ovation.
A closed-circuit television in the mega-church outside Atlanta showed the president smiling uncomfortably.
"But Coretta knew, and we know," Lowery continued, "That there are weapons of misdirection right down here," he said, nodding his head toward the row of presidents past and present. "For war, billions more, but no more for the poor!" The crowd again cheered wildly.
Former President Jimmy Carter later swung at Bush as well, not once but twice. As he talked about the Kings, he said: "It was difficult for them then personally with the civil liberties of both husband and wife violated as they became the target of secret government wiretaps." The crowd cheered as Bush, under fire for a secret wiretapping program he ordered after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, again smiled weakly.
Later, Carter said Hurricane Katrina showed that all are not yet equal in America.
"This commerative cermony this morning, this afternoon, is not only to acknowledge the great contributions of Coretta and Martin, but to remind us that the struggle for equal rights is not over. We only have to recall the color of the faces of those in Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi," Carter said, the rest of his sentence drowned out by loud applause. "Those who were most devastated by [Hurricane] Katrina know that there are not yet equal opportunities for all Americans. It is our responsibility to continue their crusade."
Developing...
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm
Race card anyone?
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Carter seemed pretty tame and didn\'t really attack Bush with either comment. The pastor was pretty aggressive though.
Too bad Kanye West didn\'t speak. Remember him? ;]
-Dan
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They should of had people speak that didn\'t get up there to self promote themselves, just stupid.
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i don\'t think it was that bad,...i mean everything that pastor stated was true..but i don\'t think this was the forum for it. This was supposed to be a time for acknowledgements and accomplishments of her life...not talkin about the iraq war or wmd\'s. i guess some felt that this was one of those rare occasions where the pres comes to town and they could give him a piece of their mind.
i mean because of what both martin and coretta stood for, you knew race relations in america would be brought up...and while i feel that race did play a part in that katrina aftermath, i feel the mayor should be held responsible to some extent as well. 400 buses at his disposal and not one used. Still in the same token, there\'s no way it should\'ve taken the gov\'t six days to get over there...especially since they KNEW this thing was comin\'....so i can see certain speakers talkin about race relations because of martin and coretta,...but i do think that the war shouldn\'t have been talked about at all....
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Hypothetical question. Do you think MLK would be as famous today if he wasn\'t assassinated?
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I think so. Rosa Parks is famous and noone killed her.
We learned about what he did then they just mentioned that he was assassinated..not like they taught us because he was assassinated.
unlike JFK who i know/learned nothing about besides the fact he was assassinated
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I dunno about the race/katrina thing. I mean, if you lived several feet under sea level and they told you to GTFU, would you sit there and say, "where are the people to come and get me?" I know they were poor, but I bet they can walk. If I didn\'t have a car, and that shit was headed at me, you can damn well bet I\'d be taking the heel-toe express. I think it all boils down to a class of people who are used to government handouts to survive. Why should they be expected to get themselves out of the way of a category 5 hurricane? They\'re not expected to even feed themselves or their families, they just wait on a check from the gubment.
BTW not totally directed at black folks, I\'m well aware that there are poor white poeple too. I was one of them. Somehow I managed to stay employed since I was 14. I showed up everyday, I worked & I got paid. I saw ways to make myself more valuable to a company and they rewarded it.
My brother\'s plumbing company had 3 brothers whose uncle had been a contractor for 20 years. They were hired \'cos the uncle always did what he was hired to do. They were paid the same and got the same benefits as everyone else. Guess who didn\'t show up for work on MLK day this year without even calling in. Yep. Guess whose asses got fired. Now it\'s a "race issue", and they\'re trying to sue for discrimination. I don\'t know, but I\'m pretty sure if I pulled that shit on like, Columbus Day or something, I\'d get fired too. It\'s just common sense. But it seems there\'s a general feeling in the black community that they are owed special consideration by our goernment. Like that the rules everyone else lives by do not apply to them. Clips, you\'re a bright dude. What\'s the deal, bro? How do we get past this? Is there any real interest for a black person to play by the rules here in america? Or does the fact that some white people still see blacks as inferior make it not worth it? I try to understand, and yes I throw around some racial humor, but I\'m not a racist. I hate the fact that sometimes I get pissed off at black folks in general, \'cos my car gets broken into by one, or my wife gets mugged by one, or my brother\'s garage gets broken into by one. But how else am I supposed to feel?
Sorry about the rant, I just had to chase 3 black kids from our parking lot at 3:00 AM (they were breaking into cars) and I couldn\'t get back to sleep. Maybe it\'s the government\'s fault. ;)
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seeing your sig makes me say, "I miss kopking..."
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no shit, bro. king of the english langyuge slyers.
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Someone needs to do a thread where we have to search for good kopking quotes of the past.
I bet it would be pretty tough since he never spelled anything correctly.
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His place doesn\'t have internet connections, right? He needs to come back. I miss that guy :(
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damn..Chizz...what can i say? And i feel your pain to an extent. while i was living in tha hood myself, my maxima window\'s were busted at least 4 times while parked in the parking lot, and at least in one of the snenarios i actually seen the guy doing it from my apt window! I didn\'t catch him tho...but trust his ass would\'ve gotten sent to emergency that night. It certainly wasn\'t roses all the time livin\' in those neighborhoods, i mean even tho i knew alot of people in my general area, you still had to watch your back. And ultimately that was not the way i wanted to live or raise my kids.
I mean I can see your side and how you feel if people of color are violating you, your brother\'s company and even your wife..compounded with what you generally see on tv as pertained to black folk and your view can sometimes be in the neighborhood of "damn these people are just savages"....the best advice i can give to you is what i\'ve been practicing all along....i just look at people for what they are....there are good and bad people in general. I hate lookin at people in black or white and prefer to just see them as people.
right now i live in a upper middle class neighborhood,...but that doesn\'t mean you\'re safe from the sicko\'s...my hardworking white collar next door neighbor, who\'s white could end up butchering his family or somebody tomorrow.(yes and somebody black could do it as well,..but for the sake of argument, just role with it for a sec). I think you touched on some of the problems as far as blacks and whites go tho..it\'s a combination of what you stated.
And just like you stated how you\'ve worked your way up and out of poverty just like i did,( not saying that i\'m rich or anything like that), but i\'m definitely in a better position, and even tho my window got smashed over three times,livin in tha hood..i know for a fact that all black folk aren\'t like that....just like how i know that all white folk aren\'t racist..there are just good and bad people in general,..whether they are racist, murderers, child molesters or whatever...that is how i approach people...and life...
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I was accused here as a racist once...BTW, I\'m joining a frat....a white boy frat! Now what Giga?!
BOT. There is no need for Black History Month. The radio stations get annoying with that stuff.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
I was accused here as a racist once...BTW, I\'m joining a frat....a white boy frat! Now what Giga?!
[EDITED] Jumpman, you can do what you want in OT, but I\'m not going to tolerate any personal attacks in this forum.
-Coredweller
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Well, in any event, I still think you\'re a faggot.
Wow...
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You\'re joining a frat? BWAHAHAHA! So you think you\'re special now? Is that why you brought it up? :laughing: