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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: GmanJoe on March 01, 2006, 12:19:51 PM
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^ this is not the gum. That is the giant mess of paint some people call art.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/01/gum.art.ap/index.html
Wow. It happened in Detroit! I betcha it was a Chinese student. ;)
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I couldn\'t even find the stain, lol.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
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^ this is not the gum. That is the giant mess of paint some people call art.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/01/gum.art.ap/index.html
Wow. It happened in Detroit! I betcha it was a Chinese student. ;)
I hate it when people have no idea about art.Especially when they see a stupid painting like this one that has a "$1.5 million/art/painting" tag they think its real art because of their ignorance and because it is labelled like that.
Its like the tale of the King and the tailor that "made" him special clothes that only idiots couldnt see.He didnt say anything until a kid shouted in the crowd "the king\'s naked".
In this case a kid who saw this abomination as vaulable as a kid\'s drawing stuck a gum on this piece of nothing called art.I bet that the painting has more artistic value now that it has gum on it
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Its like the tale of the King and the tailor that "made" him special clothes that only idiots couldnt see.He didnt say anything until a kid shouted in the crowd "the king\'s naked"
Is this a Cyprus tale? :p
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Nope.
http://www.angelfire.com/film/dannykaye/KingsClothes.htm
great meaning
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i was thinking oh no, that\'s wrong that the kid could do such a thing to a painting that is worth $1.5 million dollars...
But Unicron made some really good points though. A painting like that worth $1.5 million makes no sense. I can imagine a painting like that can be easily duplicated...
BTW, its just a quite small stain and hardly visible, one can give the excuse that, "oh the stain is part of the painting too...its like who cares...nothing in life is perfect. Even the perfect stuff does degrade as time go by..."
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Originally posted by Unicron!
In this case a kid who saw this abomination as vaulable as a kid\'s drawing stuck a gum on this piece of nothing called art.I bet that the painting has more artistic value now that it has gum on it
And your brilliantly informed evaluation of this piece is based on a 220x242 pixel image. :rolleyes: You might want to avoid passing judgement on the value of things you don\'t understand.
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I don\'t see the problem, the gum is probably the best part of the painting...
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I studied art & design for 4 years, and even I can\'t fucking well figure that piece of shit out
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Originally posted by Coredweller
And your brilliantly informed evaluation of this piece is based on a 220x242 pixel image. :rolleyes: You might want to avoid passing judgement on the value of things you don\'t understand.
What dont I understand?Tell us what you udnerstood that I didnt.
Its not the first time a painting like that is tagged with such a hige value without actually being worthy of that value.
I ve seen other similar occasions by first hand.
I just remembered something funny I saw once now :laughing:
I went into a gallery once of an artist that made abstract art.I have to say he was pretty good.Some were extremely complicated and deserves credit for his work.
But there was also a "painting" which was nothing but a white paper that wrote "I feel fine".I checked if it had a price and it was sold at around 120 Cy pounds which is around $240
Its a stupid trend today for many...."asrtists" to do something abstract and call it an abstract painting/art.Many other artists complain about this because the others are really ruining how abstract art should have been.
Abstract art should meet some criteria that add true artistic value to say that something is a good example of abstract art.You dont do random stuff and name it abstract painting.There is no depth in this painting at all.
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Hmmm...I wonder how much this costs
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i remember seeing that drawing..was right after art before my kindergarden naptime.
If thats really abstract art or whatever..thats stupid as hell
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u guys are just mocking what you don\'t understand. admit it
like it or not it\'s worth more than your organs on ebay.
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just because it racks in a lot of money doesnt make it mindblowingly ground breaking. Just means theres sheep with rich people at the top saying "mm..wonderful piece of work" and the people under them saying "indeed"
i could do this with my ass http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/owlive/img/jul04/artwork0723_big.jpg
its just so simple id never think of doing something like that.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
What dont I understand?Tell us what you udnerstood that I didnt.
I wasn\'t proclaiming my "understanding." I was merely pointing out that you cannot call it "an abomination" or a "piece of nothing" when you have never seen it in person. That is a ridiculously uninformed opinion. We now have two digital representations of the same painting, an they do not look alike. Does this tell you something? You cannot judge a piece of fine art based on a poor reproduction. You need to see it for yourself. I never really cared for the work of Jasper Johns until I saw a few of his pieces in Switzerland. Only then did I see the depth of detail that eluded all the crappy photographs I had seen before.
Regarding the value, that is a meaningless number when applied to art. It\'s like judging an internet company based on it\'s stock price. As mentioned earlier, rich people buy art as an investment; not because it\'s especially good or bad. The market value has no relation to the actual artistic value of the piece.
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Originally posted by THX
u guys are just mocking what you don\'t understand. admit it
Yeah therefore because you and I "dont understand" according to them, we should be convinced about everything they throw at us.
Is it a $1.5 million painting?Ofcourse it is.They said so.Its valuable then right?I just dont understand why.But they say they do know and we dont.Therefore the donkey can fly
Well the artist expresses what she feels by choosing a well blend of colors and abstraction.Trying to make the canvas reflect that feel to the person that views it without showing directly with images that make any sense she tried to make use of new techniques of painting on canvas that would be unique, like a signature of hers.
I like some of her paintings but some are totally meaningless.That thing costing $1.5 million is overpriced.
The only reason this thing is priced so much I believe is because it belonged to an old artist of expressionism that influenced others with her new paint and canvas techniques
I and even a kid can do a painting like some of hers by just asking the kid to draw according to how he feels.The differece?Just not using her techniques.
like it or not it\'s worth more than your organs on ebay.
In Ebay even Britney\'s fart might be sold at a higher price :p
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Originally posted by Coredweller
I wasn\'t proclaiming my "understanding." I was merely pointing out that you cannot call it "an abomination" or a "piece of nothing" when you have never seen it in person. That is a ridiculously uninformed opinion. We now have two digital representations of the same painting, an they do not look alike. Does this tell you something? You cannot judge a piece of fine art based on a poor reproduction. You need to see it for yourself. I never really cared for the work of Jasper Johns until I saw a few of his pieces in Switzerland. Only then did I see the depth of detail that eluded all the crappy photographs I had seen before.
They look the same to me.Only difference is that the second pic looks darker.(actually the bigger pic looks even uglier)
About Johns\' work you can see a difference in quality in his compared to this specific painting.It might not pick your interest but dont necessarilly make you say "what a piece of crap" either.Actually they make you say hmm....interesting.
I am not saying that the artist of this painting sucks generally but soime of her paintings arent special at all.
Regarding the value, that is a meaningless number when applied to art. It\'s like judging an internet company based on it\'s stock price. As mentioned earlier, rich people buy art as an investment; not because it\'s especially good or bad. The market value has no relation to the actual artistic value of the piece.
Which is the whole problem these days because art is starting to loose its meaning.
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UNICRON YOU DON\'T KNOW HOW GOOD OR BAD HER PAINTINGS ARE BY LOOKING AT A POSTCARD-SIZED COMPRESSED REPRESENTATION OF IT ON A 2-DIMENSIONAL ELECTRONIC MONITOR
ARGHHHHH BLEEEEEEPHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH UUUMMMMFFFFFFF
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:laughing:
I am only refering to that painting and the second one I posted which are only patches of colors.Which even at the size of a tennis court wont change my perception
Not her paintingSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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this is artwork,...biatch!...:fro:
http://www.psx2central.com/forums/attachment.php?postid=483264
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Are you sure it said $1.5 million, or $1.50?
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w/ coupon it\'s buck fitty
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look like good paintings to me...
id like to see everyone elses painting skillz :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Which is the whole problem these days because art is starting to loose its meaning.
"These days?" You mean like the last 1,500 years? Investing in art has a long history... just like complaining about the high price of art.
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Voice of fire. (sorry bout the link, click open with firefox/explorer)
OTTAWA 1990 —- Ten years later the embers of Canada\'s biggest art scandal are still burning.
Within 72 hours of the National Gallery of Canada reporting that it had purchased Voice of Fire, a huge abstract painting by American artist Barnett Newman for $1.76 million, the media, the public and the government went ballistic.
The two-month furore that raged in the media and the House of Commons in March 1990 was Canada\'s biggest art controversy.
Article continued.... here (http://temagami.carleton.ca/jmc/cnews/22101999/c1c.htm)
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Originally posted by Coredweller
"These days?" You mean like the last 1,500 years? Investing in art has a long history... just like complaining about the high price of art.
I disagree.It wasnt the same.Atleast thats what I think.Not that I would agree that its the right thing to do even if it is true that it was the same for the past 1500 years
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Hey I made a $4 million painting.I found a new way to express deeply present society.
Life is upside down, with huge opportunities hence the door but life is still upside down.Anyone has the opportunities and rights to choose but no one can exploit them.
Or....I just turned my painting upside down and made the whole thing up adding value to it.
Which rich man-that appreciates my artistic work and understands the deeper meaning of my paintings unlike some filrthy, isignifigant everyday people, will buy this great piece of greatness I created?
*sarcasm*
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Rembrandt\'s paintings is what I call art. The Mona Lisa by DaVinci is art. The grotesques adorning Notre Dame Cathedral (as well as the Cathedral itself) is art.
But when you just literally throw shit on a canvas (there was this art work made of feces) - is not art.
I remember seeing a giant black canvas that had a single stroke of white paint in the middle. Just how the fuck that got in the museum, I\'ll never know. Grandma Moses had more skills than that.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Rembrandt\'s paintings is what I call art. The Mona Lisa by DaVinci is art. The grotesques adorning Notre Dame Cathedral (as well as the Cathedral itself) is art.
But when you just literally throw shit on a canvas (there was this art work made of feces) - is not art.
I remember seeing a giant black canvas that had a single stroke of white paint in the middle. Just how the fuck that got in the museum, I\'ll never know. Grandma Moses had more skills than that.
:laughing:..yea i agree....i gotta admit alot of those art pieces that just have paint thrown together on a canvas, i\'m sure my little nephew or niece can create one similar to these supposed masterpieces....like you gman, when i see detailed paintings of people or of any type of structures, to me that is true art...it is incredibly difficult to catch details in painting than it is to sketch it or to have it drawn alone....
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how many of u naysayers remember the last time you went to an art museum? I\'ll be the first one to admit that I\'m no art connoisseur (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=connoisseur) but much of the stuff I saw at the National Art Gallery & places similar is just really, really cool. It\'s all about the experience... you can really derive a ton of stuff from the artist just by being there admiring the painting/sculpture.
people love to say, "oh anyone can do that" ok fine, then do it. Make a cool million then come back & tell us how it went.
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Originally posted by THX
people love to say, "oh anyone can do that" ok fine, then do it. Make a cool million then come back & tell us how it went.
The artist sold it to the museum for a only "few thousand dollars". It wasn\'t worth millions then.
There\'s a good chance that some of my art work that\'s been sold might be worth more later after I\'ve died. At least I know mine took some skill (I stopped painting after I almost killed my professor at the Washington Art Museum for not grading my work coz he stored it away and forgot to grade it. Long story.).
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Do you know how many of the great artists were misunderstand during their time and had their works sold for millions later on? Whether or not anyone here understands the piece on these boards does not in any way mean that there is no artistic merit to the artwork.
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Originally posted by Phil
Do you know how many of the great artists were misunderstand during their time and had their works sold for millions later on? Whether or not anyone here understands the piece on these boards does not in any way mean that there is no artistic merit to the artwork.
Yeah but 90% of them didnt have a mess of random stuff that looked like a kids drawing.The other 10% that had such paintings are just as overrated as some recent artists.
Usually it was the theme/subject that caused the misunderstandings.Especially back at the renaissance.
Originally posted by THX
people love to say, "oh anyone can do that" ok fine, then do it. Make a cool million then come back & tell us how it went.
I made a $4 million painting.Havent you seen it?I posted it here.I ll be rich after I die.
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Let\'s just agree you\'re out of your element ;>
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[sarcasm] What do you mean?I AM DE ARTIST!I AM WORTH ZILLIONS!
YOU IGNORANT UNEDUCATED INSIGNIFIGANT PEOPLE CANT HAVE AN OPINION ON MY WORK OR ME[/sarcasm]
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art had gone down in quality over the years, and the world has just gotten more upper class idiots who see something in a museum and say "Ill but it for 1 million dollars!"
Beack in the Rennaissance is when art was real art and took real skill. It took artists years to finish masterpieces that were detailed down to the smallest hair on someone\'s eyebrow, now we see pieces of crap like this that took all of 30 minutes and have no detail at all and frankly look like it was made in a kindergarden classroom.
Just because you guys aren\'t trained in the study of art doesnt mean you have to think "Hmmm....I dont understand it, but if someone put it in a museum it must be magnificant!" have an opinion for yourself, its a piece of crap.
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Maybe it IS a piece of crap. That is possible. However, I think it would be wise to acknowledge that you can\'t make such a judgement without seeing the piece in person.
I wonder how many of these negative attitudes are being provided by people who NEVER visit museums at all, and therefore have never noticed the huge difference between photographic reproductions and the actual artwork.
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if this is called art that\'s worth $1.5 million but that seem to take only a few seconds to a few minutes max to make. Then I guess pretty much anyone in the world can be millionaire.