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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Halberto on March 26, 2006, 08:34:30 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060325/ap_on_re_as/afghan_christian_convert
I thought we went to Afghanistan to end this shit?
After reading this, I\'m officially for leaving the middle east alone politically. What\'s the point, they\'re in another world? They act like kids...
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Yikes. Atelast their president is working to getting him released but its their courts that are being a pain in the ass.
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might be a dumb question but..did we have any affect on the governemtn there?
i thought we just went there to kick the shit out of the insurgents..THAT was the place we attacked for 9/11. Didnt think we reformed the government like iraq.
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Yeah like the government is reformed in Iraq
Anyways the war in Afganistan was just a political firework after the 9/11 so that the Bush Administration would gain its lost popularity.
99% of the Afghanistan people had nothing to do with the 9/11 yet they were the ones to pay for something they had nothing to do with, and there is not need to be a very smart guy to notice this.
Its pretty surprising how masks fall as time passes.
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did we have to unban him just so he could see that thread?
i dont feel the need to put disclaimers to things i say (concerning "reforming iraq")
and would u just like the US to "take whats coming to them" and let 9/11 happen and figure "oh..these people that did this are the minority..lets leave them be and let them do it again"
u can\'t fathom living in this country where its okay to attack us..and if we attack back then were the bad guys (in concern to afghanstan..ud see my position on iraq if u werent blind and got banned)
and in concern to iraq..read \'Saddam\'s Secrets\' by an iraqi air force general (a #2 guy) to get someones voice who knows what hes talking about. not the shit sources u have
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I dont see a problem in this.....its progress, when was the last time you heard about someone in afghanistan trying to convert from islam to christianity?
You cant change all the rules in a country over night, especially a country so religiously centered as afghanistan. How long did it take the European nations to grant their people religious freedom? Give them time, we cant rush a situation like this.
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Viper Fujax:What?You want me banned for having a different opinion? I thought you agreed with freedom of speech.
I have every right to disagree. If you dont like that and you tend to act like those muslim clerks or Saddam that are against the freedomof speech is not my problem.
Nobody said its ok for others to attack you.
But just as unfair it was for american innocent civilians to die because some idiot politicians f*cked up with another idiot called Bin Landen its as unfair for Afghanistan innocent civilians to die because of few fanatics hiding God knows where and planning to attack you. Al Qaeda is still alive and kicking and its not in Afghanistan.
Otherwise its like saying that Bin Landen did well for attacking the twin towers which I am sure you ll disagree with
My sources: Interviews of Americans that used to work in the FBI that were later black listed and fired for discovering secrets about the whole matter and tried to leak the real information to the public.
Confessions from Americans from a certain division, special forces operatives, American parents of US army troops, interviews with former minister in Tony Blair\'s government Claire Short, who denounced the tabbing of UN phone conversations by the british and US secret services, a former US ambassador, a former high-rank CIA officer, the former chief UN weapons inspector in Iraq, republican Scott Ritter. a britsh journalist that has covered the war in Afghanistan, and NOT only.
Also, Islamist radical leader Abou Hamza warned the possibility of more attacks like 9/11 if Iraq is invaded back in 2003.
As for Saddam\'s secrets....its funny that all the power he got is thanks to his former allys like...guess who....the US, Germany, Italy. Gladly he used this help to spread his dictatorship, but years ago none of his allies cared.
Oh and BTW you know Iyad Allawi? He was known for participating in a series of terrorist acts. You know who choose him as one of the candidates to rule in Iraq? THE US!
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What?You want me banned for having a different opinion? I thought you agreed with freedom of speech.
I have every right to disagree. If you dont like that and you tend to act like those muslim clerks or Saddam that are against the freedomof speech is not my problem.
We want you banned because its obvoius you hate America and you keep saying the same shit all the time and its pissing us all off. We get it. You hate America and you don\'t trust anything in the media and you come up with your own bullshit you hear on an obviously biased source that skews facts.
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I dont see a problem in this.....its progress, when was the last time you heard about someone in afghanistan trying to convert from islam to christianity?
You cant change all the rules in a country over night, especially a country so religiously centered as afghanistan. How long did it take the European nations to grant their people religious freedom? Give them time, we cant rush a situation like this.
perhaps you are right
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We want you banned because its obvoius you hate America and you keep saying the same shit all the time and its pissing us all off. We get it. You hate America and you don\'t trust anything in the media and you come up with your own bullshit you hear on an obviously biased source that skews facts.
I said it before and I ll say it again.
I
DO
NOT
HATE AMERICA!
You should ask this to yourself actually. Perhaps you are the one that is biased towards certain media. perhaps your media is a biased source that skews facts. Do you know that for sure?
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I said it before and I ll say it again.
I
DO
NOT
HATE AMERICA!
You should ask this to yourself actually. Perhaps you are the one that is biased towards certain media. perhaps your media is a biased source that skews facts. Do you know that for sure?
So when watching Al-Jazeera, there is no bias there?
Ofcoarse the media is biased in America. That\'s why I tend not to fully believe it unless it is well documented at other news sources also.
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Damn I turn my back for a few hours and you boneheads stir up some useless boring shit again. Everyone here should grow a thicker skin and not be so easily offended. People from all parts of the world post here. Don\'t automatically assume they all hate America. Furthermore, STICK TO THE DAMN SUBJECT. We\'re talking about Afghanistan.
The former government of Afghanistan, known as The Taliban needed to be toppled a long time ago. I argued well before the 9/11 attacks that the United States should overthrow that government. Given that Al Qaeda terrorists trained in Afghanistan, we had no choice but to take them down. I\'m sorry for those Afghanistan civilians who had nothing to do with 9/11, but them\'s the breaks. Maybe they should have done something about the Taliban before we had to do it.
The problem now is that apparently we didn\'t do enough. Someone forgot to explain that it\'s "WRONG" to execute a person for their religious beliefs. Ooops. We just assumed they knew. Now all we have to do is lean on them, and they will remember who actually owns their country now. Ah ha... it\'s already done.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060327/ap_on_re_as/afghan_christian_convert;_ylt=Ah90_s3NVONJ4aLgaV4el.pvaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA-- (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060327/ap_on_re_as/afghan_christian_convert;_ylt=Ah90_s3NVONJ4aLgaV4el.pvaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--)
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Well I\'m glad he\'s not going to be executed. That would\'ve really sucked.
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iraq came up because i asked if we had the same plans in afghanistan as we ended up having in iraq..because halberto said he thought we went into afghanistan to fix the government..but i thought it was just to get the insurgents/bin laden. Then unicron made a facetious comment about iraq being reformed, then i typed with my ass.
but..cloud + cored= +1
anyway..hopefully the people dont tear the guy apart. But people with balls will probably have to have something drastic happen to them for it to be remembered.
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iraq came up because i asked if we had the same plans in afghanistan as we ended up having in iraq..because halberto said he thought we went into afghanistan to fix the government..but i thought it was just to get the insurgents/bin laden.
New "goals" in the Middle East keep popping up. Obviously we\'re still on the look out for Bin Laden, but the focus keeps shifting to a million different things. At this rate, we\'ll be there for the next century.
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Perhaps Unic prefers the Taliban days of old.
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i agree with core,..and i don\'t see anything painfully wrong with what uni is sayin...give the guy a break...as far as this siutuation is concerned? it really is scary what they were going to do to him because of his faith,..but i don\'t know i kinda feel if that\'s the law of THEIR land who are we to tell them how to run it? that\'s some of the problems i have with the u.s. tryin to somewhat force their ways or democracy on other countries...whether it\'s right or wrong we can\'t hope to change a county\'s policy because it\'s wrong...
this was startin to go in another direction so i\'ll stop there, ultimately at the end of the day i\'m glad they didn\'t execute this guy and hopefully this will be the first step toward a more positive way of thinking for them. as far as us goin into afghanistan? i thought it was soley for gettin\' the guys that caused 911 (bin laden & friends) nothing more nothing less...
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i\'ve said it before, and i\'ll say it again. the middle east is a lost cause and plagued by their fundamental religious values causing them to be intolerant to the rest of the world. nuke the middle east and this world will be at peace.
stop pissing off the world you jackasses... you all are like 2nd graders.
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I agree with square, but I think the real right thing to do is to 1) stop depending on their oil, then 2) never commute with them again
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I agree with square, but I think the real right thing to do is to 1) stop depending on their oil, then 2) never commute with them again
Now if we only didn\'t have internal combustion engines...hmm. I really hope fuel cells take off because then we don\'t need oil anymore. We can manufacture hydrogen relatively easy. They need to develop th technology a bit more.
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yea, the key is definetly freeing ourselves from our dependence on oil. once we do that, all we have to do is pretend the middle east doesn\'t exist. i cannot wait for the day that we finally use something other than oil.
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Unfortunately oil dependence is far reaching. It\'s not just cars and trucks. Agriculture\'s huge yeilds are due to petroleum product fertilizers. Plastics of all kinds are made possible through petroleum. Alternative sources are about the only real option, in addition to weaning ourselves off over-use of petroleum (ie, for transport).
All of the following are petroleum products:
Ink Dishwashing liquids Paint brushes Telephones
Toys Unbreakable dishes Insecticides Antiseptics
Dolls Car sound insulation Fishing lures Deodorant
Tires Motorcycle helmets Linoleum Sweaters
Tents Refrigerator linings Paint rollers Floor wax
Shoes Electrician\'s tape Plastic wood Model cars
Glue Roller-skate wheels Trash bags Soap dishes
Skis Permanent press clothes Hand lotion Clothesline
Dyes Soft contact lenses Shampoo Panty hose
Cameras Food preservatives Fishing rods Oil filters
Combs Transparent tape Anesthetics Upholstery
Dice Disposable diapers TV cabinets Cassettes
Mops Sports car bodies Salad bowls House paint
Purses Electric blankets Awnings Ammonia
Dresses Car battery cases Safety glass Hair curlers
Pajamas Synthetic rubber VCR tapes Eyeglasses
Pillows Vitamin capsules Movie film Ice chests
Candles Rubbing alcohol Loudspeakers Ice buckets
Boats Ice cube trays Credit cards Fertilizers
Crayons Insect repellent Water pipes Toilet seats
Caulking Roofing shingles Fishing boots Life jackets
Balloons Shower curtains Garden hose Golf balls
Curtains Plywood adhesive Umbrellas Detergents
Milk jugs Beach umbrellas Rubber cement Sun glasses
Putty Faucet washers Cold cream Bandages
Tool racks Antihistamines Hair coloring Nail polish
Slacks Drinking cups Guitar strings False teeth
Yarn Petroleum jelly Toothpaste Golf bags
Roofing Tennis rackets Toothbrushes Perfume
Luggage Wire insulation Folding doors Shoe polish
Fan belts Ballpoint pens Shower doors Cortisone
Carpeting Artificial turf Heart valves LP records
Lipstick Artificial limbs Hearing aids Vaporizers
Aspirin Shaving cream Wading pools Parachutes
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we have it..it would just cost a sh*t load for the mass public to get it. Plus, i cant help but imagine the economy getting hurt if we use something better than oil that doesnt cost as much per gallon/doesnt need fill ups once every 1 er 2 weeks.
anyway..update on the guy: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/03/27/christian.convert.ap/index.html
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So when watching Al-Jazeera, there is no bias there?
Ofcoarse the media is biased in America. That\'s why I tend not to fully believe it unless it is well documented at other news sources also.
I dont watch Al-Jazeera
i\'ve said it before, and i\'ll say it again. the middle east is a lost cause and plagued by their fundamental religious values causing them to be intolerant to the rest of the world. nuke the middle east and this world will be at peace.
stop pissing off the world you jackasses... you all are like 2nd graders.
Its true that its a lost cause. But if we leave them alone they will leave us alone thats what I have learned after having a personal experience with them.
Generally muslims arent fanatics that will kill anyone thats not a muslim.
What actually happens is that their history, culture and traditions are improtant for them as an identity.
Its not necessarilly religion nor does it mean that they want to kill anyone. If these are under a thread many will try to protect these (not necessarilly with violence).
Unfortunately there are also the religious fanatics that will blindly do anything.
Saudi Arabian government for example have many times put on the discussion table matters like women\'s rights, loose some restrctionc etc to improve social life. The problem was always the clerks that will not even consider these matters. They pull back not because its against their religion. But because the fanatics may start an uproar and the government wants to prevent this.
If we try to change things especially by force then we cause what they wanted to prevent. An uproar, an explosion of fanatics. The more we interfere the worse things get.
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Its true that its a lost cause. But if we leave them alone they will leave us alone thats what I have learned after having a personal experience with them.
WTF are you talking about? Terrorists don\'t play the "fair" game, I\'m sorry.
Generally muslims arent fanatics that will kill anyone thats not a muslim.
And nobody is talking about them. The extremist terrorists are the ones that are talked about.
Unfortunately there are also the religious fanatics that will blindly do anything.
Duh.
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WTF are you talking about? Terrorists don\'t play the "fair" game, I\'m sorry.
You can\'t pretend there isn\'t a tit for tat going on. Their attacks are reprisals for our actions, our actions are reprisals for their attacks... it goes on and on. I\'m not saying there is any way out of this cycle, but it\'s obvious that we would have been better off if we had ignored them a little more.
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Yeah...I know. It\'s a vicious cycle. And this Holy War is a bunch of crap. People have been fighting over their beliefs for a long ass time.
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WTF are you talking about? Terrorists don\'t play the "fair" game, I\'m sorry.
Terrorist didnt just wake up one day inspired to attack.
Not to mention that the "effort" to stop them gave birth to more terrorist attacks.
And nobody is talking about them. The extremist terrorists are the ones that are talked about.
Some tend to confuse them all with terrorists or fanatics. Just like many tend to call all Iraqis terrorists that fight armed outsiders away from their country-after we caused chaos in their country.
Or tend to call all muslims that protested fanatics-after we insulted them with those strips.
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Some tend to confuse them all with terrorists or fanatics. Just like many tend to call all Iraqis terrorists that fight armed outsiders away from their country-after we caused chaos in their country.
Or tend to call all muslims that protested fanatics-after we insulted them with those strips.
people have been saying "dont confuse the fanatics with the normal civilians" like a couple weeks after the war started. The problem is all we hear is the fanatics and never the normal people..pretty much the same as how we hear about all the explosions and lives lost but not any progress except "bush says were making progress."
and in concern to the comics (was confused what u meant for a second)..hgave to admit that they went CRAZY. i mean..they killed and burned stuff down over it..i get protesting and showing your displeasure. Im not sure how many fatalities weve had in our bunch of anti-war protest (a much bigger deal/heated discussions/etc) but the only one i remember is 2 rednecks fighting about the issue and one shot the other person.
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we have it..it would just cost a sh*t load for the mass public to get it. Plus, i cant help but imagine the economy getting hurt if we use something better than oil that doesnt cost as much per gallon/doesnt need fill ups once every 1 er 2 weeks.
anyway..update on the guy: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/03/27/christian.convert.ap/index.html
Why doesn\'t the US take him in? What about France or Britain? I\'m sure he\'d be welcome there.
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Just secretly wisk him to good ol Bible thumpin USA, and say he\'s in Africa somewhere so the terries don\'t get mad.