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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: AlteredBeast on March 27, 2006, 03:41:47 PM
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You know, as people completely separated from the game world.
How has the world changed for you guys these past 2 years I have been gone?
I know my life has seen alot of changes.
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I\'m posting here more frequently than normal.
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I recently discovered masturbation
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I haven\'t changed at all I think.
I was the best then and I\'m still the best now. Possibly better(if that is indeed possible).
Good to have ya back, Eric Jacob!
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I always did like you Jumpman. but we all know in my height of popularity I was definitely the best. :P
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I probably matured a bit. I also post pretty much just in off-topic. I post in the other forums but not too frequently. Actually, 8000 of my posts are in off-topic
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Why hello there Mr. Beast.
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I got two kids.
I post here.
My life is over.
Welcome back.
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Living-In-Clip, I am sure glad to see you here! You rock, man. I hope you are happy, take care of those kids, eh? Don\'t be a crappy father.
But really, did your life ever start?I still need to get those Gabriel Knight games! That reminds me, man!
Samwise - always a pleasure, too.
I am glad too see alot of familiar faces. What systems did everyone end up with here? I don\'t smell the stench of too much one console bias here like at other console-specific boards. 360 looks alright, PS3 looks good, too, but no announced games that really draw me in at all, so I think I will wait on the both ofthem. Wouldn\'t mind getting a DS or a PSP, though. :P
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Living-In-Clip, I am sure glad to see you here! You rock, man. I hope you are happy, take care of those kids, eh? Don\'t be a crappy father.
But really, did your life ever start?I still need to get those Gabriel Knight games! That reminds me, man!
Alright, no need to rub in that my life never did really start...Let\'s not go be harsh.
What have you been up to lately?
And thank\'s for the words of encouragment. Two girls, by the way.
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Whoa...haven\'t see you in ages, AB. Welcome back. :)
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thanks guys, I have been great.
I got back from Peru after 2 years in late January, been travelling, hanging out, and looking for work since I got back, but no real luck. What a shame. Looks like I did finally get a job, though. So I am feeling pretty good.
Think I found the girl that I will eventually marry someday. Now to fool her into it...without the pills this time!
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I recently discovered masturbation
has that yeast infection cleared up?
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thanks guys, I have been great.
I got back from Peru after 2 years in late January, been travelling, hanging out, and looking for work since I got back, but no real luck. What a shame. Looks like I did finally get a job, though. So I am feeling pretty good.
Think I found the girl that I will eventually marry someday. Now to fool her into it...without the pills this time!
Know the feelin\', date rape is so hard to pull off now\'a\'days.
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Know the feelin\', date rape is so hard to pull off now\'a\'days.
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Well you managed pretty successfully. :D
AB, good to hear you\'re well. As for me, well I\'m still not sure what I\'m doing here as the only console I have is an ancient PlayStation that hasn\'t been used in the 21st century. But I\'m thinking about getting Xbox 360 after I get back from traveling New Zealand in about a month\'s time.
PS. I\'m just about to play Oblivion for the first time! The next time I post here I have lost my innocence. :jb:
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thanks guys, I have been great.
I got back from Peru after 2 years in late January, been travelling, hanging out, and looking for work since I got back, but no real luck. What a shame. Looks like I did finally get a job, though. So I am feeling pretty good.
Think I found the girl that I will eventually marry someday. Now to fool her into it...without the pills this time!
Sweet. What did you do in Peru for two years?
What are you doing jobwise now?
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I was a missionary for my church. Really blessed my life, I am now fully bilingual and a more goal oriented person.
I haven\'t found a job yet, as nobody wants to hire someone who apparently hasn\'t worked in two years, but I think I finally found a job. It pays fine and has nice flexible hours, so here\'s to hoping!
I hear Oblivion is amazing, literally one of the best games ever. That is a pretty bold claim, especially since I couldn\'t have been more bored with Morrowind, so I would like to try this out! Give us your old impressions, eh?
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I know what you\'re talking about with Morrowind. The first time I tried it, I was bored to death. A couple of months later, I installed it out of boredom, and I was hooked. Oblivion has a much better combat system, so if that was your main problem with it, this has been remedied.
Definitely go with the PC version. I have the 360 because I love playing on my HDTV, but I\'m pretty sure down the road I\'ll get a PC copy for mods.
Also, if you get a DS, definitely pick up Metroid Prime Hunters. It\'s awesome.
I don\'t smell the stench of too much one console bias here like at other console-specific boards. 360 looks alright, PS3 looks good
You\'re just not looking at the right places. ;)
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I was a missionary for my church. Really blessed my life, I am now fully bilingual and a more goal oriented person.
Really. My friend went to Peru for missionary work a couple summers ago for a month or so. She had a good time except she got a parasite and was really sick (lost a lot of weight).
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I lost over 40 pounds at one point while on the mission. :P I did alot of walking and the food isn\'t too nutritious, so, even though I ate well, I lost weight all the time.
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Really. My friend went to Peru for missionary work a couple summers ago for a month or so. She had a good time except she got a parasite and was really sick (lost a lot of weight).
Wow...my friend just got back from doing a mission in Peru. She was there for a long time.
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hehe altered you are the man. 2 years is a long time away from home, glad you had fun while doing it.
But hey! you went to Peru and didn\'t even bring back a Peruvian gal, tsk tsk. ;)
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Wow...my friend just got back from doing a mission in Peru. She was there for a long time.
There seem to be a lot of missions to Peru then ;)
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Evi, your friend a mormon by any chance? What was your old name on these boards, btw. I have no recollection of Evi. Maybe I am just a jerk, though. :P
Actually, I am kinda obsessed with this colombian girl right now, but the peruvian girls are really good looking. Without a doubt, far better looking then your average white girl from the US.
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Evi, your friend a mormon by any chance?
No, she\'s a Christian.
What was your old name on these boards, btw. I have no recollection of Evi. Maybe I am just a jerk, though. :P
My bad. I just had it changed from EviscerationX a few days ago. And if that doesn\'t ring a bell then yes...you\'re a jerk. ;)
Without a doubt, far better looking then your average white girl from the US.
Brazilian women are gorgeous. A lot of exotic looking women come from South America.
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well, if it helps that Mormons are Christians, are you still sure that she isn\'t Mormon? :P
and yes, I remember Evisceration X. More by the smell than the name, though. :P
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well, if it helps that Mormons are Christians, are you still sure that she isn\'t Mormon? :P
No. Mormons are very much NOT Christians.
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Come on, we aren\'t going to get into this argument, but we believe in Christ as our savior. There isn\'t any other requirement for being a Christian. Typical Christians we are NOT, but Christians we definitely are.
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No. Mormons are very much NOT Christians.
Whats the difference between a mormon and a christian really?
Arent they like Catholics?
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mormons and catholics are christians...just some beliefs separate the two
like..we have penises..and women have vaginas..but were both homos (thats my abbrev.)
anyywayy..you dont know me, person who started this thread.
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mormons and catholics are christians...just some beliefs separate the two
Thats what I thought too
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Don\'t I? I wasn\'t posting too much in the end of 2002, I believe, but I still came here from time to time.
Did you have a different name or something before?
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na. I didnt post that much when i was first around. dont really post insanely a lot now either. iv been floating since 2002 and im only at 1,600 posts. think i had more but i probably pissed mm off and he reduced my post count or something.
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mormons and catholics are christians...just some beliefs separate the two
like..we have penises..and women have vaginas..but were both homos (thats my abbrev.)
anyywayy..you dont know me, person who started this thread.
Mormons aren\'t Christians and Christians aren\'t Mormons. The Book of Mormon completely miscontrues things from the bible. The beliefs are completely different and the belief of who Jesus and God is are completely different. It\'s not "some beliefs" that separate the two...it\'s a very LARGE gap that separates them.
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Well, nice to meet you all the same. :P I am one of the oldies around here, although I have obviously had a LONG absence from the boards. I will be here, though. Can\'t get rid of me now. :P
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Well I\'m glad one of the vets has rejoined our ranks. :)
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Mormons aren\'t Christians and Christians aren\'t Mormons. The Book of Mormon completely miscontrues things from the bible. The beliefs are completely different and the belief of who Jesus and God is are completely different. It\'s not "some beliefs" that separate the two...it\'s a very LARGE gap that separates them.
That\'s not really fair. Looking objectively at Adventists and Jehovah\'s Witnesses, as well as Catholics (why not), all have some teachings that are completely different than other Christian churches, but apparently only Mormons aren\'t real Christians.
We believe in one God, one Jesus Christ, our Savior, and one Holy Ghost.
a direct quote from the Book of Mormon:
2 Nephi 25: 26
And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our cchildren may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sin.
Doesn\'t get more Christian than that. :)
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The Mormon belief is that there are many Gods and that people can eventually grow to become Gods themselves. The belief is also that only the worthiest of Mormons will live with God and Jesus. They also don\'t don\'t believe Jesus is God, but two separate beings.
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Mormons aren\'t Christians and Christians aren\'t Mormons. The Book of Mormon completely miscontrues things from the bible. The beliefs are completely different and the belief of who Jesus and God is are completely different. It\'s not "some beliefs" that separate the two...it\'s a very LARGE gap that separates them.
i didnt mean to say "just"..was my bad.
The mormons in my neighborhood are adamantly not catholics, so theres obviously a large gap that separates the two. But..beast shows why theyre christians.
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Christians have completely different beliefs regarding God and Jesus.
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What age did mormons appear for the first time btw?
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What age did mormons appear for the first time btw?
Like...200 years ago.
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i wikipedia\'d it because i dont know the whole background. I just remember hearing my teachers say mormons were christians (went to catholic school)
Nature of God
God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are often described in scripture as one God (2 Nephi 31:21); however, the one Godhead is in reality three separate beings who are unified in purpose and heart (John 17:21-23). This belief is distinguished from the concept of the Trinity as codified in 325 at the Council of Nicaea and in 381 at the Council of Constantinople.
God the Father and Jesus Christ have tangible, perfected bodies of flesh and bone. The Community of Christ (one denomination of Mormonism) has rejected this doctrine and that of the Godhead in favor of Trinitarian theology.
God himself was once a human in another realm or universe, created by a seperate god. Having gone through a mortal life much like in our realm, he sinned and repented and learned, and after becoming immortal he, along with his wife, Heavenly Mother, spiritually progressed to the level of gods.
Humans are children of a Father in Heaven, and through the Atonement of Jesus Christ they can return to Him and be joint-heirs with Christ of all that the Father has (Romans 8:17).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism and scroll to "typical mormon doctrines" for a nice layout of things. From what i understand, theres 2 different mormons? one group believes in the trinity and one doesnt? not too sure.
one of the sub-headings is "Mormonisms\' beliefs about other Christian and non-Christian religions"
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any belief by any other church or churches more than that Christ is our savior makes them all different churches, some believe that by faith alone are we saved, other by being good people, other by praying and works, etc. Some believe we will be assimilated into one big being after death, others believe that we will praise God for the eternity (if we are lucky) after death, others (like my church) believe that God has given us the gift, as His children (not creatures), to become like He is. Some believe that God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are 1 person, others 3 distinct persons with the same purpose, others don\'t even believe in the Holy Ghost.
and yet they are ALL Christians, but we aren\'t and identify with many of those beliefs.
And we certainly believe that Jesus Christ is God. He was the God of the Old Testament, Book of Mormon, and is the God that carries out the affairs of the Father. In the Bible, in John it even says that Jesus created the Earth, in Genesis it says that God did it, so how could we not believe that Jesus is a God? but, then again, in Genesis, during the creation, we also see that it says "We" (like in verse 26 of chapter 1), denoting that God and Jesus Christ were in fact both involved, not just one person.
but like I said, if we aren\'t Christians, I don\'t know what we would be, after all, it is in the churches name. We state that we literally ARE the church of Jesus Christ. That would be kind of hard to not be Christians unless it was all a joke and we actually told people once they got in the doors that Christ is actually not our savior. :P But then again, we don\'t do that. :P
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i wikipedia\'d it because i dont know the whole background. I just remember hearing my teachers say mormons were christians (went to catholic school)
Nature of God
God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are often described in scripture as one God (2 Nephi 31:21); however, the one Godhead is in reality three separate beings who are unified in purpose and heart (John 17:21-23). This belief is distinguished from the concept of the Trinity as codified in 325 at the Council of Nicaea and in 381 at the Council of Constantinople.
God the Father and Jesus Christ have tangible, perfected bodies of flesh and bone. The Community of Christ (one denomination of Mormonism) has rejected this doctrine and that of the Godhead in favor of Trinitarian theology.
God himself was once a human in another realm or universe, created by a seperate god. Having gone through a mortal life much like in our realm, he sinned and repented and learned, and after becoming immortal he, along with his wife, Heavenly Mother, spiritually progressed to the level of gods.
Humans are children of a Father in Heaven, and through the Atonement of Jesus Christ they can return to Him and be joint-heirs with Christ of all that the Father has (Romans 8:17).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism and scroll to "typical mormon doctrines" for a nice layout of things. From what i understand, theres 2 different mormons? one group believes in the trinity and one doesnt? not too sure.
one of the sub-headings is "Mormonisms\' beliefs about other Christian and non-Christian religions"
Not necessarily is all of that true. We believe, indeed, that "as man is, God once was, and as God is, man might become" But we don\'t believe that we was indeed a sinner, After all, Jesus Christ lived a perfectly clean life, free from sin, why couldn\'t God have lived like that, too? I guess that is where we separate ourselves from the rest of Christianity, too. We believe that God has given us, as heirs to everything he has (just like it says in the scriptures), the ability to become as he is, if we are diligent enough, obedient enough, etc.
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The Book of Mormon started supposedly when some 17 year old kid (Joseph Smith) had a vision of an angel in his bedroom and God told him that he\'d do his work through Josepth Smith and that the REAL scriptures were written on gold plates and God told him the location of these plates. This all happened around 1823. Mormonism is supposedly a "revival" of Christianity, basically saying that the old Christianity is flawed and the new one is perfect...their Pearl of Great Price. Yet so many things in the Book of Mormon contradict the bible.
After all, Jesus Christ lived a perfectly clean life, free from sin, why couldn\'t God have lived like that, too?
In the bible, Jesus is God, so this is a contradiction of the religions right here. You are saying they are two separate beings. In the bible, Jesus (God) has always been.
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well, look at Job 38:4-7
Looks like we existed before the foundation of the earth, too. How could we have existed in Genesis 1:26, it says that the God (in plural form) created us after he created the earth. Looks like we have always existed, too.
It really is an interesting thing to talk about.
The Bible is the real scripture. It is God\'s word, after all. Of course, it has passed through many hands, which is why we see so many translations in today\'s world, none exactly to same, effectively changing what God intended when it was written. The Book of Mormon hasn\'t passed through alot of hands. It is God\'s word, too. But we just believe it has been prepared for our time. To show us that God still reveals new things. That he isn\'t a dead God, done with teaching us what we need to know.
In religion, concerning baptism and such, almost all churches believe that theirs is the only true church and the only one with all the answers. That by going to another church, you will receive less of that truth. We are no different in that respect. But, instead of merely saying that we have all the answers, we say that Jesus Christ himself restored His origial church back on the earth. Not another break-off of Catholicism like the Lutherans, Protestants, Presbyterians, Anglicans, etc. But God restoring His church with a prophet and 12 apostles.
Like I said, we all have the same fundamentals, catholics, mormons, baptists, etc.
Jesus is our savior, we are children of God, we can return to live with God after this life.
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btw, in 1 John 4:14 it said that the Father sent Jesus to the world, making, in effect, Jesus lower than God.
John 5: 19 says he can only do what he has seen the Father do.
Then again, Jesus always refers to himself as the Son of Man.
I am not saying everything you know is wrong, but you should have a more open-ended policy towards accepting my church as mormon, since I have presented a viable argument as the church being in fact a Christian church. Sure, we disagree with many beliefs of other Christian churces, but the core beliefs, as I have stated above, are the same.
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Looks like we existed before the foundation of the earth, too. How could we have existed in Genesis 1:26, it says that the God (in plural form) created us after he created the earth. Looks like we have always existed, too.
If he created us after the earth, that doesn\'t mean we\'ve always existed. That doesn\'t even make sense.
it says that the God (in plural form)
Yet another contradiction. You said plural form because Mormons believe in many Gods in many universes. The bible says there is only one God (Jesus).
The Bible is the real scripture. It is God\'s word, after all. Of course, it has passed through many hands, which is why we see so many translations in today\'s world, none exactly to same, effectively changing what God intended when it was written. The Book of Mormon hasn\'t passed through alot of hands. It is God\'s word, too. But we just believe it has been prepared for our time. To show us that God still reveals new things. That he isn\'t a dead God, done with teaching us what we need to know.
You\'re saying the bible is full or errors and the book of Mormon isn\'t. Take a look at the Dead Sea Scrolls for ancient unchanged scripture.
In religion, concerning baptism and such, almost all churches believe that theirs is the only true church and the only one with all the answers.
You never have to step foot in a church to be saved.
That by going to another church, you will receive less of that truth.
You\'re supposed to go by what the bible says, not what others who have crazy ideas say. The pope isn\'t even in the bible and is considered an anathema by what he does. An anathema is a very bad thing.
But, instead of merely saying that we have all the answers, we say that Jesus Christ himself restored His origial church back on the earth.
Thus contradicting the bible yet again.
Jesus is our savior, we are children of God, we can return to live with God after this life.
Mormons believe only the worthiest of Mormons get to live with God and Jesus (there\'s the and again, which contradicts the bible, which states God is Jesus).
btw, in 1 John 4:14 it said that the Father sent Jesus to the world, making, in effect, Jesus lower than God.
Taken out of context and ignoring other verses that state Jesus is God.
I am not saying everything you know is wrong, but you should have a more open-ended policy towards accepting my church as mormon, since I have presented a viable argument as the church being in fact a Christian church. Sure, we disagree with many beliefs of other Christian churces, but the core beliefs, as I have stated above, are the same.
This isn\'t disagreements between churches. This is about the Book of Mormon completely contradicting the bible.
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I don\'t think you are understanding what I am saying.
Jesus is God. We believe that. Jesus has a Father. It\'s in the Bible several times. If Jesus has a Father, how is he God?
in Genesis 1:26 it says:
"Let us make man in our image and semblance
tell me again how that indicates that there is only one God. The name of God even switches. in Chapter one it always says God, chapter 2 the LORD God. We know by history that the Jews never said the name Jehovah and substituted Adonai or other titles for His name. If you look at the Hebrew version of the Bible (which by all accounts should be the most accurate), when it says just God, it is translated from Elohim and when it says LORD God, it is referring to Jehovah himself.
Millions of people will be saved without ever once having stepped in a mormon church. That is a teaching of the church. The bible says those who aren\'t baptized can\'t reach heaven, billions of people who have lived on the earth never were or will be baptized, how do you explain that one, that teaching came directly out of Jesus\' mouth, by the way.
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Oh, and the Mormon Church just did a large tour of all Europe with the Dead Sea Scrolls, trust us, we wouldn\'t do that if we felt that it contradicted our teachings. Interestingly enough, the Dead Sea Scrolls have actually demonstrated how many errors and changes have crept into the Bible as we have it. What came before should in fact be more truthful, since it should be more in tune with what God\'s servants actually did write instead of what people who translate the bible today THINK he meant.
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Thanks you guys for turning this into a religion thing. :D
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Job 38:26
Jesus is God. We believe that. Jesus has a Father. It\'s in the Bible several times. If Jesus has a Father, how is he God?
Mormons have a way of taking verses out of context.
It says Our image, yet it\'s followed by "So God created man in His own image"...
Also read John 1:1-5
And you can\'t possibly bring Jews into this, considering they don\'t believe Jesus is their savior.
Thanks you guys for turning this into a religion thing.
It just sort of happened. ;)
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No problem, although I didn\'t want it to be, I\'d rather the church not being portrayed as some weird non-Christian church.
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I\'ll continue this discussion with you later. ;) I have class tomorrow. Night!!
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Yeah, thanks for posting that, in there it says that the Verb was with God and the verb was God.
That just helps me out more, thanks. Jesus is a God, but Jesus has a Father.
Who was Jesus Praying to in the Garden of Gethsamane? Who appeared to Him on the Mount of Transfiguration? Who was he talking to when he was on the Cross? Who was he thanking when he raised Lazarus from the dead? When he tells the apostles: "In my father\'s house" what father was he talking about? When Stephen saw Jesus Christ on the right hand of God as he was being stoned, why did he state Jesus Christ as being different from God?
Now we aren\'t even talking about Mormons anymore, I would say more churches that believe in the Bible believe that God and Jesus Christ are different personages with the same purpose: to bring about our salvation.
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Dont use simple logic if you want to understand.
Words describe only this world. They are human creations to describe experience on this delusive reality.
Since God or the true reality is something transcendental, something you can not experience the more you are attached to this reality, you can not use words the literal way to describe it.
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I knew this was gonna happen. Normally I\'d jump in and back up the atheists but I\'m gonna stay out of this one. I do this enough at school and on other boards.
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God in three forms, father, spirit, son
So out of that you think they are three seperate Gods? Jesus was God in the flesh, and was constrained by human limitations (physically).
If you have a hard time believing that all three of these forms are all the same God, then you aren\'t a Christian.
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that\'s your opinion, but anything fare from fact.
Like I said, who was Jesus praying to in Mount Gethsamane? All the other references I mentioned, too. They all speak of different beings, not one being having three parts. For example, when Christ was baptized, God\'s voice said "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." and then the Holy Ghost descended in the form of a dove. Three different DISTINCT parts being present all at the same time.
Let\'s not make general sweeping comments like that, again, eh? I know that there are LOTS of Christian churches that believe in a Godhead like the Mormon church, 3 distinct beings all with the same purpose. Literally the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. I guess they aren\'t really Christians either. Reading the Bible objectively would be the only way to deduce a reasonable theory like that, but I guess that is too hard for some of you guys to do, since it is obvious that the shadow of doubt lies on there being a Godhead, not a Trinity for the reasons I have explained above. Unless, of course, you are calling Jesus Christ a schizofrenic for talking to himself, praying to himself, supplicating to himself, thanking himself, etc.
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been workin\' all night,..and i really don\'t have time for this,..but you cats just luv to reel me in,...quick and simple...god and jesus are TWO separate beings..everything jesus did was through gods power,...not GOD himself actually taking the form of a human,..the holy spirit from what i understand is just god\'s pure energy,..not really a being unto itself,...but i\'m not really sure about that...
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Can\'t do these religious threads. If you want to get caught up in semantics Altered that\'s fine, I don\'t have the will to that with you. I could dig up tons of the "wierdness" of the mormon religion, but what good would that do other than piss you off.
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God in three forms, father, spirit, son
So out of that you think they are three seperate Gods? Jesus was God in the flesh, and was constrained by human limitations (physically).
If you have a hard time believing that all three of these forms are all the same God, then you aren\'t a Christian.
Exactly. It says God became flesh. The entire first part of John pretty much explains that Jesus is God. This Godhead thing is a creation of Mormonism, which is why there are different kinds of Mormons, because it contradicts the bible.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God. He was in the beginning with God..."
It doesn\'t say the Word was A GOD.
"And the Word (Jesus, who is also God, because the Word WAS God) became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and Truth..."
And all you need to be saved in the bible is to believe in Jesus Christ and that he died on the cross for your sins and the sins of the world and that he rose again.
Also, Mormons believe in multiple Gods and multiple universes, yet the bible says that God created all things and in the following passage Jesus says:
"How can you believe, who receive honor from one another and do not seek the honor that comes from [COLOR="RoyalBlue"]the only God[/COLOR]?"
If Jesus was the Word, and the Word was God, and there is "the only God", that would make Jesus God. There aren\'t multiple Gods in multiple universes because God created everthing. Jesus and God are one.
And thanks guys for not being too harsh with our conversation. :)
When he tells the apostles: "In my father\'s house" what father was he talking about? When Stephen saw Jesus Christ on the right hand of God as he was being stoned, why did he state Jesus Christ as being different from God?
What did he mean? His Father\'s house. He was referring to the church because they were selling goods inside the church and Jesus did not like this.
And God is everywhere. He is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Trinity. He can be in multiple places at once. This is hard for people to comphrened, but God is beyond moral human comprehension anyway. Mormons try to make everything easy to comprehend with normal people\'s standards, all while contradicting what\'s in the bible.
And the latter...that is the famous line taken out of context by Mormons.
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I clicked on the link to the tail end of this thread and was wondering why this became a religious debate.
So I back tracked....and found THIS! :D
No. Mormons are very much NOT Christians.
Haha! One time, mm was stupid enough to say Catholics aren\'t Christians! BWAHAHAHAHAH! He\'s so dumb!
Mormons, Protestants, Witnesses, Seventh Day, Orthodox and Catholics are all Christian beliefs.
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BTW, Mormons wear super undies that protect them from evil things. Plus...you guys become gods of other planets or something like that in the after life.
Fascinating!
According to Mormonism, there are an infinite number of planets like earth in the universe, each with their god or gods who were once men who have evolved into godhood. Mormon theologian and Apostle Bruce McConkie states, "[A] plurality of gods exist . . . there is an infinite number of holy personages, drawn from worlds without number, who have passed on to exaltation and are thus gods."{3}
Joseph Smith wrote, "In the beginning, the head of the gods called a council of the gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and (the) people in it."{4}
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Haha! One time, mm was stupid enough to say Catholics aren\'t Christians! BWAHAHAHAHAH! He\'s so dumb!
Mormons, Protestants, Witnesses, Seventh Day, Orthodox and Catholics are all Christian beliefs.
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Different beliefs separate these. And these beliefs are brought about by not reading the bible. The Pope, for instance, just makes up stuff that isn\'t even in the bible...such as purgatory. He changes the Word of God, which is the worst thing you can do (blasphemy against God). He believes his word is as good as God\'s. The Pope tells priests they are not allowed to marry, but the bible says that God prefers they are married and they have children. This kind of sexual restrictiveness is a large cause of the molestations in the Catholic church, IMO. They are never allowed to get married or have sex, according to the Pope...so this would lead to a lot of different issues. God does not deny people their sexuality, as long as they are married. When you\'re married, you can have all the sex you want with your wife. Catholics are Christians, but the beliefs that the Pope imposes upon people is false. The Catholic church has a history of being very corrupt because people inside and out of the church were following the Pope and not what the bible had to say.
According to Mormonism, there are an infinite number of planets like earth in the universe, each with their god or gods who were once men who have evolved into godhood. Mormon theologian and Apostle Bruce McConkie states, "[A] plurality of gods exist . . . there is an infinite number of holy personages, drawn from worlds without number, who have passed on to exaltation and are thus gods."{3}
Joseph Smith wrote, "In the beginning, the head of the gods called a council of the gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and (the) people in it."{4}
That completely contradicts the bible. Yet Mormons use quotes from the bible and they ignore everything else that contradicts their Book of Mormon...and those are the parts with "errors". Mormonism is younger than this country is and all came about from some 17 year old kid named Joseph Smith when he was alone in his bedroom and had a "vision".
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Joseph Smith sounds like he\'s dropped acid too many times.
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Joseph Smith sounds like he\'s dropped acid too many times.
Didn\'t he read the "golden plates" out of a hat?
Heh. Anyone see that mormon episode of South Park? That one was awesome.
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Well, let\'s not get into petty insulting.
I am not going to talk about it anymore, but, like I said, if by us believing that solely by the grace of God through our faith in Him and our obedience are we saved by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ makes us anything than a Christian, then I guess we aren\'t Christians.
I didn\'t know that there was more to being a Christian, nor that there was some sort of a qualification for what may be deemed a Christian religion and what is not.
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nor that there was some sort of a qualification for what may be deemed a Christian religion and what is not.
Christianity = 2000 years
Mormonism = 200 years
Mormonism has many contradicting beliefs to Christianity, thus making it not Christianity. Mormonism is its own religion. You have your own book.
Found a site illustrating my point:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/mormon/beliefs/christians/christian2.shtml
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations
I am not saying that you are stupid or something, but your own opinion, obviously biased, isn\'t quite as valid as a set list of unbiased people looking at the simple set of core beliefs.
Age isn\'t important, btw. The Lutheran Church isn\'t more than 600 years old, nor any other church formed as a breakoff of Catholicism, and it is quite obvious that you aren\'t a Catholic, so I don\'t know why you would even state something as unimportant as age.
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I don\'t know why you\'re talking about denominations. I just read the bible, dude. I don\'t consider myself part of any branch. The mere fact that there are so many branches seems stupid to me.
but your own opinion, obviously biased
Biased against what? And you think you\'re NOT being biased? Because if you think that, it\'s stilly.
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http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#religions
Doesn\'t state the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints as a religion outside of Christianity.
http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#Pew_branches
and this one, once again, a non-biased site, a Christian church, and the 3rd largest sector of the USA Christian population, not Protestant nor Catholic, but Christian nonetheless.
http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#bodies
and this one lists it as the 4th largest church overall in the USA as far as membership goes. Far from being a splinter or crazy cult as some portray it.
You are incorrect in your assumption that we aren\'t a Christian church, like I said before, we have different beliefs, but the important ones are all the same, focusing on Jesus Christ as our Savior and the Bible as the word of God.
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Doesn\'t state the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints as a religion outside of Christianity.
I don\'t care what some site says. The fact that the beliefs are so contradicting makes it impossible to classify them into the same category.
and this one, once again, a non-biased site, a Christian church, and the 3rd largest sector of the USA Christian population, not Protestant nor Catholic, but Christian nonetheless.
I don\'t care about the churches. This has nothing to do with our conversation.
and this one lists it as the 4th largest church overall in the USA as far as membership goes. Far from being a splinter or crazy cult as some portray it.
Your point?
but the important ones are all the same, focusing on Jesus Christ as our Savior and the Bible as the word of God.
No, the belief of who Jesus is and his purpose are thought of completely differently. They are not the same. If the bible is the Word of God, what is the Book or Mormon to you?
And you\'ve ignored everything I\'ve talked about. I respond to all your posts and you don\'t respond back to anything of mine. You\'re not staying on topic.
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You deem everything I say as taken out of context by Mormons and false, how can I respond to that?
If everyone but you lists the church as a Christian Denomination, does that make everyone wrong but you?
http://dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Religion_and_Spirituality/Faiths_and_Practices/Christianity/Denominations_and_Sects/
There\'s another one.
Read our Articles of Faith: http://scriptures.lds.org/a_of_f/1
That is a very basic overview of our beliefs. Reading this and saying that the church isn\'t Christian would make you a person terribly grounded in his opinions and simply not willing to accept the truth.
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The truth...a newly sprouted "revival" of Christianity that contradicts everything I believe. No...I will not accept that. Sorry. However, we can end this conversation here because I don\'t want this to turn into an insult war. Let us go our separate ways now. It was an interesting conversation.
Oh and uh...back to the topic. I\'m glad you\'ll be posting more these days. ;)
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Well, I guess we didn\'t really gain anything out of that. I hope someone else has. At least I found out that the church is the 4th largest in the states, didn\'t know that before.
The more you know. :P
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hurtin 4 a squirtin
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Grow up.
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Clean my house.
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Brush yo teef.
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Christianity = 2000 years
Mormonism = 200 years
Mormonism has many contradicting beliefs to Christianity, thus making it not Christianity. Mormonism is its own religion. You have your own book.
Found a site illustrating my point:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/mormon/beliefs/christians/christian2.shtml
Mormons have just been around for 130 years or so.
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It started in 1824. Your math sucks. I was giving an estimate.
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It started in 1824. Your math sucks. I was giving an estimate.
And you think Catholics and Mormons aren\'t Christians. You = dumb.
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Dumb dumb dumb.
-Dan
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I said Mormons aren\'t, not Catholics. Way too many contradicting beliefs with Mormonism (bible vs. book of mormon).
Why are we still talking about this? You haven\'t a clue what you\'re talking about.
:gman:
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I said Mormons aren\'t, not Catholics. Way too many contradicting beliefs with Mormonism (bible vs. book of mormon).
Why are we still talking about this? You haven\'t a clue what you\'re talking about.
:gman:
You need to apologize to Altered Beast. He\'s a Christian. You need to get a clue.
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I\'ve read both books. We have contradicting beliefs. He thinks I\'m as wrong as him. There\'s no apologies needed. We both agreed to end this conversation and you\'re trying to revive it. Stop posting in this thread, dude.
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I\'ve read both books. We have contradicting beliefs. He thinks I\'m as wrong as him. There\'s no apologies needed. We both agreed to end this conversation and you\'re trying to revive it. Stop posting in this thread, dude.
Fine.
you started it