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Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: FatalXception on April 05, 2006, 07:44:19 AM
Feel free to bring anything to this one, from a variety of sources!  I guess you should still try to respond to earlier posts though :)

The Story (http://www-tech.mit.edu/V126/N15/RIAA1506.html)

This young woman attending university and sued by the RIAA was given her options.  They suggested she either see them in court, to face tens of thousands in fines, or pay a 4K settlement.   Of course, to pay the settlement, since she doesn\'t have the money, they recomended she \'drop out of school\'.  Really.

Here\'s another (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/04042006/6/n-technology-corrected-music-industry-unleashes-lawsuits-europe.html)

The music industry launched 2000 lawsuits in 18 countries of Europe on the fourth.  Apparantly they\'ve decided that this works, and every country that has laws where a challenge would be more \'difficult\' is getting filed in.  Notice that they haven\'t filed suit in France (where the current climate is very anti-copyright), or Canada yet (because of the ruling of the Canadian copyright board, saying that we paid for piracy through media-taxation)?  I\'m sure they\'ll get around to those countries eventually, but it\'s going to take someone risking big fines (and short-term incarceration) in a few of these countries standing up and fighting this in court, AND WINNING, to make these suits dissapear.  They must be chortling with glee over this new money making opportunity.  

Frankly, they can probably make more by suing... make a fake site with X number of songs, track the downloaders, sue every one for 5-15 k settlements.  Talk about your big profit margins per song, even with the lawyer\'s fees involved!
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: Titan on April 05, 2006, 10:51:39 AM
Pricks is all I have to say. They even sue elementary school kids.
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: Ashford on April 05, 2006, 10:53:14 AM
How about buy your own damn music so you don\'t get sued?
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: Viper_Fujax on April 05, 2006, 12:11:43 PM
i buy full cd\'s that i know ill like, which is relatively rare. But i download a lot of songs that i know i wont like their whole cd. I know you can get songs for a dollar or whatever, but thats still a lot..plus i dont have a credit card.
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: FatalXception on April 22, 2006, 10:12:33 PM
Another article (http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/2971)

The gist: because of piracy in China, the Chinese will now be able to buy legit DVDs for $1.50.  

I find it unreal, the movie industry could be making money hand over fist if they would market to North America and Europe with \'basic\' DVDs at $10 bucks a pop, or downloadable full quality DVDs (again, fully legit, no extra DRM) for $5... They\'re trying to to hold off on digital innovation, and I think the only thing that stops this from being a total loss is the number of consumers out there (like me) who buy DVDs to support certain shows, despite being ripped off.
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: Eiksirf on April 24, 2006, 03:27:49 AM
Price stuff to move and I\'m there. Worked for the last DVD I bought, as well as the last video game.
 
-Dan
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: Titan on April 24, 2006, 07:16:24 AM
Quote from: Ashford
How about buy your own damn music so you don\'t get sued?


I do from the bands I like or know I\'ll like. I also like to sample what I may potentially buy first to see if I\'ll like it. Otherwise, if its crap, it\'ll just stay on my computer :) I download movies once in a while but they typically are movies I a) already saw or b) will watch once on my computer and delete them. Again, if I like the movie, I\'ll buy it. The image quality is not that good on a direct connect program to where I\'d keep it. Besides, I\'d rather support the movie industry and buy the DVD. Sound and image is better than a download.
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: Coredweller on April 24, 2006, 12:04:33 PM
Now the RIAA is yapping about how the music labels want to renegotiate their license agreements with Apple to permit more flexible pricing on iTunes downloads, instead of the $.99 per song flat rate.  They want to be able to charge more for hot songs and less for old tracks (yeah right, like they\'re ever going to lower the price for anything).
 
I don\'t fucking understand the music labels.  It\'s like they\'re run by a bunch of old codgers, who are completely incapable of absorbing new information.  The audio CD business is doomed because those companies have been ripping off their own customers for years.  I don\'t know anyone who feels guilty for stealing music from a record label.
 
The MPAA is doing fine because they charge a reasonable price for DVDs.  Hell, even the new HD DVD is only a few dollars more than a normal DVD.  Somehow, the RIAA cannot understand that their own pricing decisions are the cause of all their problems.
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: Titan on April 24, 2006, 12:30:15 PM
Well if the music industry goes under, then we have no songs to steal. The way I see it, yes it is stealing but its making up for all the years they charged me 20 bucks for a 10 song cd.
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: square_marker on April 24, 2006, 10:11:31 PM
cds are not worth 20 bucks.  dvds are not worth 25 bucks.  screw the riaa, screw copyright laws... pirate everything until these costs are driven down.
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: JBean on April 25, 2006, 04:20:07 AM
there is only one music store in my local mall, when there used to be like 5 or 6.  I walked through Sam Goody the last week they were open.  Everything was supposed to be "going out of business" prices... most of the cds were still over 18 bucks.

I haven\'t bought a CD in years.  I bought hundred of cds back in the day, i\'m just trying to break even now :)
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: Living-In-Clip on April 25, 2006, 05:06:30 AM
Mp3search.ru

I live by it.
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: mm on April 25, 2006, 06:54:06 AM
get a better job if you cant afford to buy cd\'s/dvd\'s
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: JBean on April 25, 2006, 07:42:47 AM
simple minded
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: Eiksirf on April 25, 2006, 07:57:11 AM
Come on mm, it\'s value.  I could afford a $30 cup of coffee, but I wouldn\'t buy one.
 
No, I would illegally download the coffee, burn it onto a cd and share it with my friends.
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: Titan on April 25, 2006, 07:58:35 AM
Quote from: Living-In-Clip
Mp3search.ru

I live by it.


I use DC++ at my school. Good quality music and porn in a fraction of the time ;)
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: Living-In-Clip on April 25, 2006, 08:04:08 AM
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get a better job if you cant afford to buy cd\'s/dvd\'s

Eh?
That\'s a nice simple minded way of thinkin\'
 
I can afford the cd\'s - but most of them aren\'t worth paying full price for. So, instead I just pay for them via MP3SEARCH.RU. There are some artists I will buy the full cd for, but as far as it goes, I would rather either download from iTunes select tracks or from MP3SEARCH.RU for artists that iTunes doesn\'t have.
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: Ashford on April 25, 2006, 09:35:16 AM
So if its not worth the price, its ok to steal?
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: Unicron! on April 25, 2006, 09:48:45 AM
Didnt he say he pays?
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: JBean on April 25, 2006, 09:53:37 AM
Quote from: Ashford
So if its not worth the price, its ok to steal?

:gtfo:

;)

I buy cd\'s that I know are good, but I got sick and tired of buying cd\'s that were way overpriced and only had a few good songs.  I mainly just listen to internet radio anymore, I got enough mp3s to last me a good while.

$.99 is the sweetspot for a song... they go trying to raise that they really need a wake-up call
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: mm on April 25, 2006, 10:33:21 AM
how much is MP3SEARCH.RU paying artists for thier work?

this "it\'s not worth the price" mentality is bullshit
if you like an artist, you support all thier work and buy the album whether you only care for 2-3 songs or not.

when\'s the last time you wrote a letter or an email to the record label asking if you can legally purchase the 2-3 songs you actually like instead of just stealing them?
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: square_marker on April 25, 2006, 01:31:57 PM
even if i was a millionaire i wouldnt by cds
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: square_marker on April 25, 2006, 01:34:02 PM
Quote from: Ashford
So if its not worth the price, its ok to steal?


yes.... i mean no, but just try and stop technology :thumb:
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: mm on April 25, 2006, 01:40:27 PM
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even if i was mature i wouldnt by cds

fixed
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: Titan on April 25, 2006, 02:19:57 PM
Personally, I like CDs better anyway than mp3s. During the decompression process, quality is lost. Atleast with a CD, its original and untouched. I do rip CDs onto my mp3 player so I have them whereever I go but in my car, CDs are still king.
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: mm on April 25, 2006, 04:06:43 PM
you do know CD\'s are not "original" nor "untouched" right?
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: clips on April 25, 2006, 08:24:53 PM
i never download,...but it really pains me if i have to buy a cd,..most of the time i only like a couple tracks on the cd while the rest of the songs are garbage....when i was in jersey,..i used to hit this spot that sold original copies of cd\'s AND the bootleg copies..:confused:...don\'t ask me how they kept that store,..cause i don\'t have a clue...it was nice to pay only five bucks for the bootleg joint...:fro:...only thing that was wrong with the bootleg cd was that you didn\'t get the booklet that comes with the original...and that was something i could do without....

still haven\'t found a bootleg spot in georgia yet...:(
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: FatalXception on April 25, 2006, 09:20:38 PM
I still buy all the music that I listen to, but I *do* buy a lot more discerningly nowadays.  Borrow (library) or download first, then delete/return or buy.  

It\'s just not satisfying plunking down 15-20 bucks for the newest release for most groups, with 1-3 songs I want, and knowing that the artist will maybe see a nickle of that money.  I\'m pretty sure that my media consumption has gone down more and more in recent years as I get more and more jaded.

You gotta support your favorite bands though.
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: Titan on April 26, 2006, 07:22:35 AM
Quote from: mm
you do know CD\'s are not "original" nor "untouched" right?


That\'s not what I meant. I know the record industry does stuff to the song. I just meant that data gets lost from the original song in the decompression to mp3 format.
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: mm on April 26, 2006, 07:46:40 AM
...data gets lost from the original song in the compression of the .cda format
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Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: Eiksirf on April 26, 2006, 09:18:14 AM
That\'s why I only listen to music in the recording studio next to the drummer.
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: mm on April 26, 2006, 09:24:21 AM
lol, eik

touche\'
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: Living-In-Clip on April 26, 2006, 10:11:02 AM
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how much is MP3SEARCH.RU paying artists for thier work?

this "it\'s not worth the price" mentality is bullshit
if you like an artist, you support all thier work and buy the album whether you only care for 2-3 songs or not.

when\'s the last time you wrote a letter or an email to the record label asking if you can legally purchase the 2-3 songs you actually like instead of just stealing them?


I couldn\'t care less how much they pay the artist. The money still goes somewhere.. -shrugs-
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: mm on April 26, 2006, 10:21:23 AM
yeah, the russian mob
:rolleyes:

you support any other criminals we should know about?
Title: Lets talk about the RIAA and copyright laws!
Post by: Living-In-Clip on April 26, 2006, 11:29:23 AM
Quote from: mm
yeah, the russian mob
:rolleyes:

you support any other criminals we should know about?


Sure - the french mafia, while we\'re at it.

;)