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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Halberto on April 17, 2006, 07:32:13 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060418/ap_on_re_mi_ea/un_israel_palestinians
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Israel warned Monday that a new "axis of terror" —Iran,Syria and the Hamas-run Palestinian government — is sowing the seeds of the first world war of the 21st century. The Palestinians accused Israel of an escalating military campaign using indiscriminate force to kill civilians and entrench its occupation.
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The Israeli and Palestinian envoys traded charges at an open Security Council meeting held in response to the recent upsurge in Israeli attacks in Gaza. It took place on a day that a Palestinian suicide bomber struck a packed fast-food restaurant in Tel Aviv, killing nine people in the deadliest bombing in more than a year.
Recent statements by the Palestinian government, Iran and Syria, including one by Hamas on Monday defending the suicide bombing, "are clear declarations of war, and I urge each and every one of you to listen carefully and take them at face value," said Israel\'s U.N. Ambassador Dan Gillerman.
"A dark cloud is looming above our region, and it is metastasizing as a result of the statements and actions by leaders of Iran, Syria, and the newly elected government of the
Palestinian Authority," Gillerman warned.
The Palestinian U.N. observer, Riyad Mansour, condemned Monday\'s suicide bombing and the loss of innocent civilians on both sides, but attacked Israel for trying to portray its latest military escalation — which killed 21 Palestinians from April 7-9 — as a response to violence from the Palestinian territories.
"Israel, the occupying power has been relentless in its grave breaches of international law, including the willful killing and injury of civilians and the practice of extrajudicial executions," he said. "What the Israeli government is doing and what it has been doing throughout its nearly 39-year-old military occupation is clearly intended to serve its clear political objectives of inflicting maximum pain, suffering and loss on the Palestinian people while it entrenches its occupation."
U.N. Secretary-General
Kofi Annan called the escalating violence "very worrying" and urged both sides to avoid putting civilians at risk. He also announced that the Quartet of Mideast peacemakers — the
United Nations, the United States, the
European Union and Russia — would meet in New York on May 9 to discuss how to move the stalled roadmap to peace forward.
Gillerman told the Security Council that Monday\'s "horrific act of terrorism as well as the ones that preceded it are the direct result of the new axis of terror" comprising Iran and Syria and the "terrorist organizations they have been harboring, nurturing, financing and supporting, namely Hamas and Hezbollah."
Recent statements by Hamas leaders refusing to recognize Israel, and by Iran\'s president who said Saturday that Israel is a "rotten, dried tree" that is "on the road to being eliminated," represent "the stated goal of this axis of terror."
Mansour urged the Security Council and the international community to condemn the Israeli attacks and take measures to halt the latest escalation.
Gillerman urged the international community and the Security Council "to take swift actions to try and prevent the next murder which is already on its way."
Since January, he said, 11 major suicide terrorist attacks have been prevented and 90 potential suicide bombers have been arrested.
While Israel regrets any loss of life, it will not sit idly by and allow "human bombs" or rockets to penetrate the country and kill Israelis — and he asked whether every country wouldn\'t do the same to eliminate a similar danger.
"The danger I must add, not just to Israel but also to the whole free world, and to civilization as we know it, as this axis of evil and terror sows the seeds of the first world war of the 21st century," Gillerman said.
"The new world war of the 21st centruy? Please... I think all they are doing is trying to draw people in to fight with them. So I say : FUCK \'EM BOTH
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We will all be fucked
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There\'s a reason this will be a global war, even if it\'s fought locally.
Israel\'s military, though the envy of virtually every other country is small, like their population with respect to their neighbours. Though better trained and maintained, they are not made to fight long, protracted wars, or to withstand the overwhelming invasion by every nation around them.
If there is a war, then, it will end one of two ways:
1) Good. Israel will manage to hold the line for a week or two, inflicting massive losses, until a forced political settlement is reached. This would also require that the war remain free of gas or WMDs. In any event, this would galvanize \'sides\' to the conflict, making long term peace even more difficult to achieve. At best thousands of lives would be lost, and further hatreds born.
2) Bad. Israel cannot hold the line, either right away or after a few weeks. Political pressure is unable to make a settlement before the invading nations manage to take major areas of real-estate. Arab nations use gas against the military or major population centers. Israel is not backed militarily by the international community (unlikely, but possible, depending on the start of the conflict).
Any of these outcomes would lead to the Israeli response of tactical nuclear warfare, likely against the invading military, but if their invading nations used gas on their cities, possibly even against major enemy cities. As a result of this, the situation would be unresolvable, with both sides loosing. Because of the major environmental, logistical, and infrastructure damage that any conflict of this scale would do, the world would be feeling the effects for years to come, economically and politically, nevermind what it would do to oil.
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kind of off topic but I remember reading about some prophecies almost 10 years ago that the third world war will be with the arabian world
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Not much of a prophecy, more like an educated prediction.
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I should have added:
....that was written centuries ago
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i kind of doubt that. Exactly the 3rd? not the second..not the 8th?..not the 5th? but the 3rd..
i dont know my history so im not going to make a prediction.
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Someone like nostrodamous predicted that, and yes they predicted it would be exactly the third.
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Not much of a prophecy, more like an educated prediction.
True that. The big hotbed of international conflict is in the middle east. Not sure if it will be global though. I think some other nations like the US and Britain will be sucked into it backing Israel but I don\'t think Germany, France, Italy, etc will go in, atleast right away.
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Oh please. A bible thumper believing in Nostradamus?
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wrong cloud,lol.
might be wrong about cloud but that was alliswell/clowd that was a bible thumper.
they also said nostrodamous predicted 9/11 and they proved he didnt (dont ask me who the "they\'s are,lol)
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Still, Nostradamus had millions of predictions wrong. Do I really have to explain how he came up with his predictions?
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Personally I wasnt refering to Nostradamus
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The minute we say ,"Fuck Israel", they are going to destroy that entire region. America is the only thing stopping them from demolishing all of those countries. Remember, they have done it 3 times before.
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i\'m convinced that there will never be peace in that part of the world,...
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Just for fun, I accessed current trading markets to see the odds on some events in that area of the world:
currently trading: (http://www.tradesports.com/jsp/datafeed/liveprices/detailPageBuilder.jsp?clsID=3)
Iran > US/Israeli Overt Air Strike against Iran by
June 06 6.0%
Dec 06 21.5%
Mar 07 27.8%
Hamas Recognition of Israel
2006:
June 7.2%
Sept 17.0%
Dec 25.0%
Palestinian State by Dec 31, 2006:
4.7%
So you can go and bet money that it\'s going to happen and the payout would be really good, since the odds are so very low than any sort of peace/compromise will happen in the short term. As you can see, current trading puts the odds of military action there much higher than peace or even recognition of israel\'s right to exist.
*Note to those who don\'t know about predective markets as they apply to non-sporting events:
These markets work like the stock market, there is a slight margin for the traders involved, but basically they have a prediction, which changes hourly/daily/weekly, whatever. You can choose to buy the bet (ie, like a normal bet, someone is making odds with you) or sell the bet (like futures market - and if it does happen, you would have to pay another customer - or them, since they often cover sellers). The odds for selling are always slightly worse than buying, hence a small spread to protect themselves, and such, but in general predictive markets (which predict everything from weather to sports, to new popes), tend to come out fairly accurate overall, since it is, afterall run by bookmakers, mathmaticians, analysists, and experts in the field. Anywho, the finish on any bet in such areas is 100, so if the odds were 2%, and it doesn\'t happen you have to have put down 98 out of 100 and you would win 2 per 98, or loose all 98... and vice versa were you selling (put down 2 to win that 98), with a margin of course.
** Disclaimer:
I link to this site (not the actual site, a cleaned up page of the odds) to show the odds of some current world events, not as a recommendation of the service.
*edit* fixed odds, was looking at wrong column.
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Still, Nostradamus had millions of predictions wrong. Do I really have to explain how he came up with his predictions?
He is also very broad adn you can put it with anything really.