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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: mm on April 27, 2006, 08:40:02 AM
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wtf
:fryingpan:
and more hokeyness on the controller
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6148455.html
Madden: Players will hike the ball by mimicking a quarterback receiving the ball from the center, and then pass it to a receiver by making a throwing gesture with the free-hand controller. The faster the passing motion, the more of a bullet pass it becomes (in previous Madden editions, bullet passes were made by holding the passing button down longer).
Kicking the ball will be accomplished by sweeping the controller up as if it were a kicker\'s leg striking the ball. A fast, level swing will make for a hard, straight kick.
The Revolution controller will also come into play when running the ball, as jerking the controller left or right will make the ball-carrier juke to either side, while shoving it straight ahead will make him stiff-arm the opposition.
kick your ass now please if you think this sounds "cool"
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In two player mode you get to tackle your friends.
At least if nothing else it will be different. Madden hasn\'t been interesting in more than ten years. It still isn\'t, but at least it\'s different.
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Christ I just saw that they\'re calling it the Nintendo Wii.
I thought you had misspelled wifi or something.
"Nintendo We" is retarded. I actually didn\'t mind saying "the Revolution"
Telling people about the "we"... That\'s going to make me feel embarassed.
Piss poor marketing decision by Nintendo.
Wii...... :gfight:
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Actually that sounds cool, but we all know it will be impossible to be good at it.
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I see nothing wrong with nintendo breaking the console mold. I just hope it catches on so wii can continue to enjoy nintendo games in the future.
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they could have called it the "nintendo shitclam" and i honestly wouldn\'t think anything of it
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apparently they are call the controller the wiimote :rolleyes:
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ow i\'m sowwii
edit * they should have sticked with Revolution or Rev for short
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Wii? I\'m sorry but I liked Revolution better. Sounded cooler :cool:
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I can\'t wait to pick up my preorder first.
"I\'m serious man, I gotta wii"
Since nintendo\'s site crashed, I wrote to its PR agency. Did my part, even if they delete it.
I used to tell people all about the Revolution controller. But I am too embarassed to call it by its name now. Come on, weemote contwol? What were they thinking.
Might as well take whatever public perception they were trying to build and flush it down the toilet.
I still can\'t believe the naming decision. It\'s like they accidentally left NOA off that e-mail chain or something.
Weeeeeee!
EDIT: Christ look at that. ^^^^ And I\'m a Nintendo fanboy. Unbelievable.
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That is the gayest name........ever
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looking for it...
:sick:
Egads dudes thats awful. :(
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It\'s not the first, or the last, time that Nintendo will market a popular product with a strange name. Pokemon, anyone?
They could have called it Pocket Monsters and too many people would confusingly think "Monster in my Pocket?"...
"Wii" is so tight, so minimalistic... that it\'s really destined to work.
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not for me
gimmick controller was only the first strike
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Pokemon is indeed derived from Pocket Monsters. Japanese love Engrish.
The marketing is confirmed in Kohler\'s "Power Up :How Japanese Video Games Gave the World an Extra Life".
Anyway, this Red Steel game looks promising
http://games.fok.nl/news.php?newsid=10245 (http://games.fok.nl/news.php?newsid=10245)
Wii shall see if the console name will have any negative effect at all when the games show up...
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BRB...I gotta go wii wii.
Seriously...has Nintendo gone mad?
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That is the gayest name........ever
I believe the Nintendo Gay would be the gayest name ever, but this comes in at a distant 2nd.
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actually, Nintendo Anal Pirate or Nintendo Shit Pusher or Nintendo Homosexual or Nintendo ManToy would be the gayest names ever.
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Might as well take whatever public perception they were trying to build and flush it down the toilet.
no doubt...maybe you don\'t care what sony and microsoft are doing, but i thought they were tryin to shake that kiddie image? i can appreciate them tryin something different with the controller, but i hate that design from the jump...ultimately tho if nintendo\'s console comes with a solid lineup, the name won\'t be that big a deal...intead of sayin "wii" i guess you\'ll just say..."yo, man let\'s go fire up the nintendo"....:fro:..damn that name is just as gay as those old navy commercials....
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But you see what I\'m saying. You don\'t even want to say the name. Who let that go out that way?
Guess wii\'ll sii what happens...
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(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.penny-arcade.com%2Fimages%2F2006%2F20060428.jpg&hash=9ff906392b0d98954520d26654e39ecf0e3428c4)
:rofl:
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Penny Arcade hasn\'t been funny in..oh...a few years now.
Blah.
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Penny Arcade hasn\'t been funny in..oh...a few years now.
It\'s YOU who hasn\'t been funny in a few years. :thumb:
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PA has gone through some bad phases, but it\'s still funny IMO.
Tycho is probably my favorite gaming journalist.
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I\'ve yet to get funny from PA.
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Oh.. I almost forgot.
Video of a fag playing these games will be all over the internet.
How gay is that? Just go outside and throw a fucking ball..
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It\'s YOU who hasn\'t been funny in a few years. :thumb:
:thumb:
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I\'ve yet to get funny from PA.
Agree\'d.
PA is funny to those uber-nerds and no one else.
Illwillpress.com - that\'s funny.
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Agree\'d.
PA is funny to those uber-nerds and no one else.
Man, you should love PA then :p
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Oh.. I almost forgot.
Video of a fag playing these games will be all over the internet.
How gay is that? Just go outside and throw a fucking ball..
That would look even gayer.
Throwing a ball by yourself outside? Atleast do it inside where no one can laugh at your obvious homo-sexual preference.
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That would look even gayer.
Throwing a ball by yourself outside? Atleast do it inside where no one can laugh at your obvious homo-sexual preference.
+1
Why the hell would you want to even bring the Wii remote outside? Just play football inside, like the developers wanted.
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First look at Mario Wii (http://mariowiifirstlook.ytmnd.com/)
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Not even close to funny.
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Not even close to funny.
:p
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Most YTMND\'s aren\'t, really. There are a few gems up there, though.
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I find a lot of YTMNDs entertaining despite the lack of funny. I mean its something to look at that\'s different than other stuff on the net. And quite a few in their hall of fame are funny.
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I\'m not convinced that this is goin\' to be the name. The name is not trademarked in the US - the official site as of the other day still called it the \'Revolution\'.. A lot of speculation that this could be a dummy name, to generate press, then come e3 release the real name.
Nevermind, site now has it up as the Wii.
-shrugs-
Either way, I want one.
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i don\'t
unless a normal controller comes standard, and ALL games support it
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I was talking to a friend last night and I came up with an interesting hypothesis on why its called such an odd name. Since the console itself is rather "different", they decided on a very "different" name unlike anything else. But I wonder what they were smoking when they came up with that.
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The name is real, and likely will remain so. The trademark websites aren\'t up to date. They don\'t even list PlayStation 3 for Sony.
Wii.
The i\'s are supposed to represent people and/or two controllers. The sound "we" is supposed to bring to mind community for English speaking people, the word "good" for Japanese, and be easily pronouncable amongst other languages.
It\'s not Nintendo Wii. It\'s just Wii. To be distinct. Unusual. etc etc
And it\'s still embarassing to say.
What if it was just "ii"?
I think that would\'ve been cool and accomplished most everything they were looking for without being so silly to use in most sentences.
-Dan
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i don\'t
unless a normal controller comes standard, and ALL games support it
Tired of the normal controller. How many times can Sony recycle the same design? Sure, they changed it abit this time, but is that goin\' to effect how we play games? No.
I\'m sure the Wii will lack in third party games, but you count on it excelling in first party and second party games and that\'s enough for me.
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if it works, don\'t break it
unless you want to gimmick people into buying the result
step right up
i still think "nintendo shitclam" is a better name
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If it works don\'t break it?
Madden \'96 works. Frogger works.
It\'s evolution mang. Get with the times.
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I like the look of the Wii itself. Its small, sleek, a box....what more could you ask? :) I think it looks pretty sick in black.
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how does updating graphics on madden or frogger break them?
you still play football and you still dodge cars.
now nintendo wants you to jerk the controller in different directions to throw the ball or jump to another log. :rolleyes:
the wii controller will flop for 3rd parties and support will die when noone cares for it, bet on it.
obscurity is a dangerous platform
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The controller has all standard functions plus it acts as a 3D mouse.
Not sure where the problem is, except in possibly uninspired developer implementation. But that would be a developers fault, not Nintendo\'s.
I must be right. I used like three big words in a row.
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but will nintendo dictate "how" you can play thier 1st party games?
if you don\'t want zelda to be controlled by waving an imaginary plastic shield in front of you, could you use the normal controller buttons?
they are splitting thier playerbase in half.
well not half, i\'d bet the majory of gamers think the new controller is just "gay"
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Uhm, no.
It\'s a bit too easy to label it as gimmick.
Sure, there will be crap gimmick games on Wii, but an experimental platform will always have varying results. If Nintendo can keep costs low and controls, accurate en precise, then this may be a very good thing for gaming.
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Tired of the normal controller. How many times can Sony recycle the same design? Sure, they changed it abit this time, but is that goin\' to effect how we play games? No.
I\'m sure the Wii will lack in third party games, but you count on it excelling in first party and second party games and that\'s enough for me.
How about....offering both instead of limiting you to that?
And why Sony specifically when everyone used the familiar layaout?
mm pointed out I believe that the normal controller is still a necessity even for...ahem..."Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiii yaaaaay youpiiiiii"(:p) in addition to the new controller.
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virualboy was an experimental platform, and an evolution in gaming
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How about....offering both instead of limiting you to that?
And why Sony specifically when everyone used the familiar layaout?
mm pointed out I believe that the normal controller is still a necessity even for...ahem..."Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiii yaaaaay youpiiiiii"(:p) in addition to the new controller.
Uh.
Last I checked it has gamecube controller ports - therefor it offers both.
Move on, troll.
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Uh.
Last I checked it has gamecube controller ports - therefor it offers both.
Move on, [SIZE="7"]troll.[/SIZE]
So what if I didnt know smartass?
learn to communicate like a grown up
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Wii is no more experimental than N64 was with its analog controller. It takes normal control and gives it three dimensional depth.
This comes at the cost of alienating you (though I suspect you\'ll actually buy one), but with the chance at getting a few people who wouldn\'t normally get a second console (its half the cost, after all... probably) as well as a couple more who might not have bought a system at all.
Silly name aside, Nintendo is doing a lot of things right with Wii.
For all the praise a keyboard and mouse set up gets, Wii will emulate that, but also allowing you to move the mouse upward or on angle. It is also a lightgun by function.
Just like with the DS, there will be gimmicky uses for it, but for every gimmick, there\'s the chance for an inspiring, innovative idea. Which is why DS, despite its "gimmicks" is the best handheld system available at the moment.
Look at it, an online system with unique controls and a larger library with backwards compatibility. That\'s Wii.
And uni, it\'s hard to take you seriously asking someone to be more mature when you just got done typing hem..."Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiii yaaaaay youpiiiiii" ;]
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learn to communicate like a grown up
Learn to just stfu when you are wrong(which is frequent so take this advice). Just don\'t reply, don\'t pull something out of your ass, remain motionless if it helps the "not typing garbage on your computer screen" process more.
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well i didn\'t know the "wii" had gamecube controller ports..so all is not lost...if it just came with the magic wand controller, that would\'ve sucked...well i still think the name is :gfight: and while i\'m not a big nintendo fan, this new console having gamecube ports saves it from being a total disaster....of course it will have 1st party support, but for me,..those controllers was what what spelled disaster for me...
and i agree with mm,..if it ain\'t broke don\'t fix it,...i\'ve tried playin with the xbox and gamecube controllers, and i just wasn\'t feelin\' it...sony\'s controllers have the perfect fit...
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Or they could\'ve just kept Revolution...
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So what if I didnt know smartass?
learn to communicate like a grown up
Learn not to enter conversations when you don\'t know the facts. That\'ll help a lot.
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if the revolution (refuse to call it wii) indeed has gamecube controller ports and allows functionality of ALL first party games without using the \'remote control\', then i\'ll reconsider getting one.
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Learn not to enter conversations when you don\'t know the facts. That\'ll help a lot.
It shouldn\'t be an issue (to not know all facts in an open forum), unless
there is some sort of personal vendetta going on from both sides.
Otherwise only Nintendo itself would be allowed to post becuz they know all facts about Wii better than anyone else.
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It shouldn\'t be an issue (to not know all facts in an open forum), unless
there is some sort of personal vendetta going on from both sides.
Otherwise only Nintendo itself would be allowed to post becuz they know all facts about Wii better than anyone else.
Actually in my case that sort of personal vendetta is going on from his side.
Wii has a GC port and thats it. Its not like I was insisting it doesnt. And it doesnt mean that just because someone misses a small info the other has the right to insult him. Just Inform him and leave out those idiotic remarks. All I did was post what I thought mm ment
And truth be told only LIC jumps in all conversations insisting his views no matter how wrong they are calling evryone that has a different view an idiot, dumbass or whatever.
And LIC stop being pathetic by deleting my posts. if there\'s one post that deserves to be deleted is YOURS and JUMPMAN\'S.
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if the revolution (refuse to call it wii) indeed has gamecube controller ports and allows functionality of ALL first party games without using the \'remote control\', then i\'ll reconsider getting one.
Same here...but then you might give Nintendo the false illusion that their crappy controller idea was a hit if people buy the console for that reason.
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The GC ports will be for Gamecube backwards compatibility only.
Wii games will use the Wii controller. That controller will also fit into a more commonly shaped shell controller, while still retaining its 3D mouse-like capabilities.
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Most YTMND\'s aren\'t, really. There are a few gems up there, though.
Yeah the 50 DKP minus for WOW is funny :D
/go\'s back to WOW
*edit*
yup am looking forward to Reggie\'s at nintendo E3 Pre show that and metroid prime 3 :D ,also and news from blizz (coff Alliance race please kktnxbye)
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edit: HEY OOSEVEN\'S BACK? Thank God you are still alive :p
The GC ports will be for Gamecube backwards compatibility only.
Wii games will use the Wii controller. That controller will also fit into a more commonly shaped shell controller, while still retaining its 3D mouse-like capabilities.
If thats the case GC ports or not, my previous post is still valid then. Wii is going to get many exclusives thats for sure but I think its going to loose many due to its unique controller and probably its technical limitations too. Unless developers are willing to make special versions of their games specifically for Wii\'s unique features.
I cant see fighting games being functional with that controller, or even probably racing games. I think it could be the best controller for first person view but I wonder how functional its going to be under a third-person camera.
I think it will be a good idea if they include a GC controller in it that will be functional with Wii games that wont use the Wii controller.
On the other hand I wonder how this will affect developers because many of them might prefer to use the standard used and tested old control scheme since its available instead of risking with something new, rendering the Wii controller and its unique possibilities/potential unused, thus making Wii look like just another console with lower quality graphics
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if the revolution (refuse to call it wii) indeed has gamecube controller ports and allows functionality of ALL first party games without using the \'remote control\', then i\'ll reconsider getting one.
you are a fucking moron,
...TITAN LOL
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All I know is that the wii is going to have some sweet ass fishing games.
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...TITAN LOL
FINALLY someone gets my humor :fro:
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And truth be told only LIC jumps in all conversations insisting his views no matter how wrong they are calling evryone that has a different view an idiot, dumbass or whatever.
And LIC stop being pathetic by deleting my posts. if there\'s one post that deserves to be deleted is YOURS and JUMPMAN\'S.
I corrected you. You jumped in this conversation without knowing any facts, so hush. If you want to debate, at least know the facts. If not, don\'t come in here mouthing about something and then when corrected cry like a three year old. The rest of us are debating if the Wii controller will be worth anything, and we are debating with facts, such as the fact it has gamecube controller ports built in the system - you didn\'t know this, but you still felt like you should be a troll and chime in.
Deleting your posts? What the hell are you even talking about now? If I wanted to delete your posts, I\'d do it every single time. But still, keep trollin\' and I can start deleting them, I mean, if you accuse me of it, I may as well do it.
I cant see fighting games being functional with that controller, or even probably racing games. I think it could be the best controller for first person view but I wonder how functional its going to be under a third-person camera.
Uh.........
You can\'t see a racing game being functional with it? You\'re crazy. That part has been explained a hundred times already - hell, that was explained when the controller was first unveiled. The only genre that may suffer will be the fighting games and those are not exactly popular now\'a\'days, are they? And even then, the system will support the gamecube controller for any games that people do not want to play with the wii controller.
Wii is going to get many exclusives thats for sure but I think its going to loose many due to its unique controller and probably its technical limitations too. Unless developers are willing to make special versions of their games specifically for Wii\'s unique features.
Same was said about the DS and it is making a killin\'. Not only is the first party support providing great games, but some third party applications are outstanding. And what techincal limitations? Sure, it won\'t be as powerful as the PS3 and Xbox 360 - but it still won\'t be a slouch. Not to mention Nintendo is not even trying to compete with that market. Hell, graphics are getting to a point of diminishing returns in the console area anyways, at least in my humble opinion. I agree with Nintendo\'s logic that graphics are eventually not goin\' to be the selling point of games, we need games that are different in approach . Now how much the Wii controller will make them different is up to debate, but what is not up for debate, is the fact that Nintendo is NOT COMPETING WITHH SONY OR MS. They are carving a niche\' out. Will it work? I think so. Not only will it be priced below all the other systems, but the controller itself is different enough to generate hype and interest in the mass market.
It shouldn\'t be an issue (to not know all facts in an open forum), unless
there is some sort of personal vendetta going on from both sides.
That\'s insane. If that is the case, then let\'s all just spout random nonsense out and try to have an intelligent debate. Facts are the most important part about a debate, otherwise it\'s just bullshit. He came off with nonsense and was corrected, end of story.
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\'fact\' & \'debate\' are big words. Atm we have some facts and a whole lot of \'if\' and \'might be\' about Wii.
If someone\'s claiming the console is no good for some reason and a fact proves otherwise, then yes, the claim is invalid.
Being corrected isn\'t exactly namecalling either. Reminds me of the Overlook Hotel butler, heh.
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The GC ports will be for Gamecube backwards compatibility only.
Wii games will use the Wii controller. That controller will also fit into a more commonly shaped shell controller, while still retaining its 3D mouse-like capabilities.
And even then, the system will support the gamecube controller for any games that people do not want to play with the wii controller.
Getting contradicting information here. Does anyone have any actual articles discussing the matter? I\'d like to know if the ports are for more than just backwards compatibility.
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^sii, the \'facts\' are not as factoidious as we once might have assumed.
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I\'ll say this one more time, RE: fighting games:
That controller will also fit into a more commonly shaped shell controller, while still retaining its 3D mouse-like capabilities.
And here\'s an article titled "Revolution games won\'t use Gamecube controllers." [URL=http://geek.com/news/geeknews/2006Jan/bga20060213034709.htm]http://geek.com/news/geeknews/2006Jan/bga20060213034709.htm (http://geek.com/news/geeknews/2006Jan/bga20060213034709.htm)[/URL]
-Dan
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^^^
Thanks for providing the facts, Eik. :thumb: No more wondering about all this.
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Agree\'d.
PA is funny to those uber-nerds and no one else.
Illwillpress.com - that\'s funny.
Neither of those are funny.
I post at the PA forums regularly and I barely find their comic humorous. Now Achewood and PBF? That\'s some good stuff.
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yea..Eik that article cleared up all of the confusion,.:fro:..and while i honestly don\'t believe that having that wand controller as the only controller for "wii" games, i do feel it will be incredibly risky,..maybe some slick marketing will save it,...but i can\'t see this controller being nothing more than a gimmick...i commend nintendo on tryin\' somethin\' different and who knows, maybe people will flock to this thing just because it\'s nintendo,..and well i guess you can\'t forget mario,..but overall we\'ll have to wait and see. the more i think about it, the more i couldn\'t see myself personally enjoyin\' this controller,...especially since this will be the only controller for "wii" games...
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I corrected you. You jumped in this conversation without knowing any facts, so hush. If you want to debate, at least know the facts. If not, don\'t come in here mouthing about something and then when corrected cry like a three year old. The rest of us are debating if the Wii controller will be worth anything, and we are debating with facts, such as the fact it has gamecube controller ports built in the system - you didn\'t know this, but you still felt like you should be a troll and chime in.
Oh BIG DEAL. I forgot the Wii has GC controllers and that was a reason to call me a Troll just because I posted what I thought mm ment.
As I said previously you could have just informed without any idiotic remarks.
I didnt insist it doesnt have a port. So quit trying to find an excuse for calling me a troll.
Deleting your posts? What the hell are you even talking about now? If I wanted to delete your posts, I\'d do it every single time. But still, keep trollin\' and I can start deleting them, I mean, if you accuse me of it, I may as well do it.
Now you pretend you never deleted my posts. How pathetic, Its not the first time you offended me and then deleted my post when I put you in your place.
Uh.........
You can\'t see a racing game being functional with it? You\'re crazy. That part has been explained a hundred times already - hell, that was explained when the controller was first unveiled. The only genre that may suffer will be the fighting games and those are not exactly popular now\'a\'days, are they? And even then, the system will support the gamecube controller for any games that people do not want to play with the wii controller.
Sorry no good explanation.
Same was said about the DS and it is making a killin\'. Not only is the first party support providing great games, but some third party applications are outstanding. And what techincal limitations? Sure, it won\'t be as powerful as the PS3 and Xbox 360 - but it still won\'t be a slouch. Not to mention Nintendo is not even trying to compete with that market. Hell, graphics are getting to a point of diminishing returns in the console area anyways, at least in my humble opinion. I agree with Nintendo\'s logic that graphics are eventually not goin\' to be the selling point of games, we need games that are different in approach . Now how much the Wii controller will make them different is up to debate, but what is not up for debate, is the fact that Nintendo is NOT COMPETING WITHH SONY OR MS. They are carving a niche\' out. Will it work? I think so. Not only will it be priced below all the other systems, but the controller itself is different enough to generate hype and interest in the mass market.
No need to get all angry. I knew this from teh beginning and I mentioned them some time ago in past posts. I didnt rule out the possibility of success and I never implied Nintendo is trying to compete Sony and MS directly. I only mentioned the other possibility as well which isnt completely out of the question
That\'s insane. If that is the case, then let\'s all just spout random nonsense out and try to have an intelligent debate. Facts are the most important part about a debate, otherwise it\'s just bullshit. He came off with nonsense and was corrected, end of story.
Its not intelligent when you mix facts with offending remarks. And thats what you did. Otherwise I wouldnt have complained. Other members corrected me many times about simple things and I didnt complain. I accepted them. You on the other hand take the simplest thing, get all heated up for nothing and insult others.
I didnt insist a false fact so quit finding excuses.
So whats next? Are you going to call Clips a troll or a dickhead because he didnt know either?
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oh big deal LMAO
That\'s really the only way you can start any rebuttal. And I doubt LIC deleted your posts. I think it\'s in his nature to reply back and make you look like the fool you are.
"Sorry no good explanation"
:laughing:
"Its not intelligent when you mix facts with offending remarks."
Just because you say something, it doesn\'t make it true. I think you need to stop trying to bend that spoon with your mind and rediscover the laws of reality buddy.
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And because YOU said something it doesnt mean it is true. And guess what. It is not now either.
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That was profound. :lmao:
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And because YOU said something it doesnt mean it is true. And guess what. It is not now either.
That was profound. :lmao:
:lmao: :rofl:
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Ok, so it wasn\'t profound...it was one of the dumbest comments ever said in the history of console debating/discussion. Is that what you\'re getting at?
Just because you say something, it doesn\'t make it true.
I was referring to your pathetic one line responses. Lic went out of his way to clearly explain the controller functionalbility/possibilities and you shot it down with backing yourself up. You want people to take you seriously? I\'m being dead serious here btw, as sometimes your posts are completely unreadable and unnecessary; you can\'t be that person who jumps in a thread without knowing anything and immediately start spewing bullshit. If you don\'t know something, don\'t act like you do while making negative (false) comments about the subject.
:lmao: :rofl:
And now you\'ve gone insane, great.
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Christ Almighty, I deleted your shit. We have a private messaging feature for a reason. If it\'s not related to the topic, or if you\'re throwing a tantrum/hissy fit/flame war/insult/nonsensical banter toward someone else, do it privately or don\'t do it at all. Just don\'t clutter up otherwise decent discussions. That rule should apply to everyone. That includes me, which is why I deleted your post earlier that added nothing but insults to this discussion, and is also why I didn\'t make a big deal about it here (until now).
It\'s supposed to be console discussion, but the first Wii thread has been trashed.
-Dan
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And here\'s an article titled "Revolution games won\'t use Gamecube controllers."
Thank\'s, Eik. I know when the Wii was first announced it was said that the it would support the Cube controller for those who did not want to use the Wii controller itself.
As for fighting games and the Wii - not an issue really. When is the last time a Nintendo console really had a controller that was idea for fighting games? Right, the Super NES. That means, Nintendo has been able to get by two generations now without an idea fighting game controller and will be able to do it again, espically when fighting games are no longer a hot genre.
Oh yea and told you I didn\'t delete your posts. Quit bitchin\' about it and move on.