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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: clips on April 29, 2006, 12:41:43 AM
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i think bush is sleeping with these big oil companies,..they just reported that they made an 8 billion dollar profit for the first quarter...and this idiot is sayin "uhm we shouldn\'t tax them"..:rolleyes:..these oil companies can easily pass the savings on to consumers and it wouldn\'t hurt them in the least...but they won\'t why?...greed is the word of the day folks...
On another front iran has basically said f**k you to the u.s. and the world...and they pretty much can say that and not worry about the u.s. doing anything,...they know that the u.s. is tied down in iraq and know good and well that they can call any bluff by the united states...thoughts?
http://www.yahoo.com/s/135783/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060429/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush
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You do realize that the US government makes 69 cents per gallon of gas and the gas companys make 7, right?
I think what the government needs to do is lift all of the tax exemptions and benefits they give to the oil companies. They can support themselves.
People, if you don\'t like oil companies making money, then FREAKING INVEST IN FREAKING OIL COMPANIES!!!
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You do realize that the US government makes 69 cents per gallon of gas and the gas companys make 7, right?
I think what the government needs to do is lift all of the tax exemptions and benefits they give to the oil companies. They can support themselves.
People, if you don\'t like oil companies making money, then FREAKING INVEST IN FREAKING OIL COMPANIES!!!
You confused me :confused:
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iF YOU THINK OIL COMPANIES ARE MAKING TOO MUCH MONEY, THEN INVEST IN OIL. tHAT WAY YOU MAKE CASH.
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And be like Bush and support my and their interests against someone else?
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You do realize that the US government makes 69 cents per gallon of gas and the gas companys make 7, right?
I think what the government needs to do is lift all of the tax exemptions and benefits they give to the oil companies. They can support themselves.
People, if you don\'t like oil companies making money, then FREAKING INVEST IN FREAKING OIL COMPANIES!!!
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/gasdiesel.asp
Taxes on gasoline were approximately 19% as of March 2006. At an average national price of $2.91, that is approximately 55 cents per gallon. I don\'t know where you came up with the 7 cents profit figure. The energy companies are unlikely to provide that information willingly.
I agree that any and all government subsidies and supports for energy companies should be eliminated.
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The oil companies offer the same stats here... They make a big deal about how in Canada, the price at the pump is:
39% tax
42% crude costs
17% refining costs
02% profit
So technically, yes, at the pump they make a couple cents per litre. On the other hand, guess who sets the \'costs\' of crude and refining? Same oil company. So that 42% crude "cost" is probably split into about a 90% profit, and 10% cost (if not higher profit). As prices at the pump rise, the tax % remains constant, as does the profit at the pump, but the profit in the refining and crude costs rises dramatically. See, the oil companies don\'t make 8 billion at the pumps, they make it by profiteering at each step of the process, extraction, sale, transport, refining, transport, sale.
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i think understand your logic there a little better...but regardless if they make their profits through manufacturing processes or not, you mean to tell me that they cannot pass some of that on to consumers? an 8 billion dollar profit?..sorry i not buying that,..i remember last year when katrina was about hit and they were worried about some of their offshore oil mining contraptions being damaged,..gas prices in some places was 6.00 a gallon and guess what?..none of these offshore oil mining machines were damaged...
i feel like smakin\' alot of these reps for the oil companies that come tv and say that they cannot pass savings onto consumers,..only response they say is..."well the process is much more complicated than passing on some of our profits to consumers"...:rolleyes:..it\'s all bulls**t...
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http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/gasdiesel.asp
Taxes on gasoline were approximately 19% as of March 2006. At an average national price of $2.91, that is approximately 55 cents per gallon. I don\'t know where you came up with the 7 cents profit figure. The energy companies are unlikely to provide that information willingly.
I agree that any and all government subsidies and supports for energy companies should be eliminated.
Energy companies have to show how much they make per gallon. THey are publicly owned.
And it must not be 7 cents. It must be a percentage. Otherwise they wouldn\'t make more money as the price goes up.
But my point is the government takes way more money than the oil companies do per gallon. And they should. They have a ton of roads out there to upkeep.
I\'m just saying the government is trying to take money away from them and scorn them, yet they make far more money per gallon.
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i feel like smakin\' alot of these reps for the oil companies that come tv and say that they cannot pass savings onto consumers,..only response they say is..."well the process is much more complicated than passing on some of our profits to consumers"...:rolleyes:..it\'s all bulls**t...
Just invest in the oil company and the profits will come to you.
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Just invest in the oil company and the profits will come to you.
tru enough,...but the point i was making is that gas is a necessity,..everybody knows that, just like food is a necessity,..but how would you feel if the price of food went up 80%?..surely your first respone wouldn\'t be "hmmm maybe it\'s time to invest in the food market"..i\'m sure you\'d be be pissed for a moment...ultimately at the end of the day there\'s nothing we can do about it, except as you say invest in the markets that are making money...i just feel that they can pass some of that profit on to the american citizens.
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Food isn\'t coming to an end. If there was a shortage on rice and we are making as much rice as possible and yet there is still a shortage, I\'d say invest in Rice.
When the hurricanes swept through here in killed our Tomato crops. Tomatoes became expensive and the fast food joints and restaurants stopped putting them on salads and sandwhichs. THe prices went way up on Tomatoes because they were having to be shipped here from elsewhere and there were fewer than normal to be had.
Supply and demand.
Everyone wants a free hand out. It\'s the american way.
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Food has only a matter of time. Current agricultural yields are sustained by the oil industry (fertilizer), and modern farming techniques use a heck of a lot of crude.
As for oil profits, they make profits at EVERY stage of processing, even when it\'s just a technicality... selling product to themselves. In any event, we\'ll see how long the public will stand for 30 billion dollar a year profits.
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Stop driving. That\'ll alleviate the problem. The country does a lot of bitching yet people are still buying big cars and driving around as much as they always do.
Taxing a company and their profits seems even more obscene than gas prices. Anyone believe that gas prices will drop once a hefty tax is imposed? LOL! Yeah, I suppose some of believe that those state taxes are going to fix the roads too. Bwhahahahaha!!
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Stop driving. That\'ll alleviate the problem. The country does a lot of bitching yet people are still buying big cars and driving around as much as they always do.
Taxing a company and their profits seems even more obscene than gas prices. Anyone believe that gas prices will drop once a hefty tax is imposed? LOL! Yeah, I suppose some of believe that those state taxes are going to fix the roads too. Bwhahahahaha!!
damn Vid, i\'m not lookin for a free ride, just that these companies clearly can pass on some of that profit to us at the pump...an 8 billion dollar profit?..not for the year,..but for the the 1st quarter!...it\'s just greed plain and simple....
Ace, stop driving?..that\'s damn near impossible, even if people did cut down on their driving for frivilous issues, it still wouldn\'t put a strain on the oil companies,..perhaps if you live in a big city like ny, where you can just hop on the train or catch the bus, but down here in georgia, at least where i\'am you gotta drive your whip,..even goin to the corner store requires you to drive...
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Ethanol research? I think so....look at frickin Brazil. They have their shit together.
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We arent changing our energy supply anytime soon. Its not that we cant its that we dont want to. Theres too much money and jobs in oil to change right now.
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We arent changing our energy supply anytime soon. Its not that we cant its that we dont want to. Theres too much money and jobs in oil to change right now.
Fuel companies like Exxon-Mobile won\'t have to cut jobs or anything if they research an manufacture a new fuel on top of crude oil production. Besides, creating new fuel sources will create new jobs. I\'m not saying cut out the oil companies completely. We still have a lot we need oil for (plastics and stuff) so they won\'t be out of a job. But by using ethanol along side gasoline (like in Brazil), we don\'t have to be fully dependent on oil. Brazil is only 20% dependent on foreign oil.
The largest single use of ethanol is as a motor fuel and fuel additive. The largest national fuel ethanol industries exist in Brazil and the United States. The Brazilian ethanol industry is based on sugarcane; as of 2004, Brazil produces 14 billion liters annually, enough to replace about 40% of its gasoline demand. Also as a result, they have become 80% independent from foreign oil. Most new cars sold in Brazil are flexible-fuel vehicles that can run on ethanol, gasoline, or any blend of the two.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol#As_a_fuel
another article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil
We can mimick what they did and still drive our big SUVs and Hummers. And guess what, WE PRODUCE A LOT OF CORN which could be manufactured into ethanol.
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It would be great to have that percentage of ethanal/gasohol cars in the US. Coming home from DC everyday u just get this oily or sludgy feeling all over your face (which I usually wash right when I get home). You can just feel the stank, and your lungs pay for it.
I think gasohol is where we need to start. You foaming at the mouth liberals need to get started on this ish.
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All the agriculture canada vehicles use an 85% ethanol blend. There\'s no issue for power, cleanliness. It\'s not that much of a switch, and easy to produce, considering the crop cultures in Canada and the US. Everytime companies start up and think about new \'cheap\' fuels (hydrogen, electric), and \'low mainenance\' vehicles, they\'re opposed by big oil and the auto industry. Eventually, though, there will be enough outrage over prices and profits that they won\'t be able to stifle innovation.
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I think the total costs per car for parts to make cars ethanol ready is about 200 bucks I was reading somewhere or heard on cnn or some shit. But again the problem with that is where you going to get ethanol at the pump in 99% of the country?
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i just read on yahoo news that the price of oil could reach $100.00 a barrel! :eek:..that is just crazy...i just don\'t get this supply and demand thing,..i think people are driving the same way they were 5,6,7 years ago...gas on average is already close to 3.00 a gallon and it\'s not even summertime yet,...i guess we\'ll start to see alot of people just put gas in their car and speed off....these gas prices are really gettin outta control...
meh i was gonna create a new thread, but since we\'re already talkin\' bout gas prices...does this mean my 2000 metro is gonna be worth more than recycled cans?..hmmm i\'m thinkin\' 45 - 50 thou...:fro:...read...
http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/05/17/used_compacts/
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It would be great to have that percentage of ethanal/gasohol cars in the US. Coming home from DC everyday u just get this oily or sludgy feeling all over your face (which I usually wash right when I get home). You can just feel the stank, and your lungs pay for it.
I think gasohol is where we need to start. You foaming at the mouth liberals need to get started on this ish.
There are a few flex fuel cars. The Ford Ranger (which is the pickup I want to buy) is flexfuel and can take either or. I think we should just keep both in gas stations because my T-bird can\'t take (as well as most cars) more than a 10% blend of ethanol. Unfortunately, only a couple states actually have full on ethanol in gas stations with gasoline (New York I believe is one and its only in certain areas). Once ethanol takes off (which I\'m sure it will), I\'m gonna buy the Ranger....if I can afford it, and garage the T-bird.
On a side note, I only buy gas from Hess now. They are the only one I noticed that adds ethanol (10%) to their fuel. I\'m sure there are other companies but they are the only company that advertises it on their pumps. Exxon-Mobil I don\'t think wants anything to do with ethanol or other fuels. Fine by me. They\'re gonna go under IMO if they don\'t start figuring something out. There is only so much oil in the earth.
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You do realize that the US government makes 69 cents per gallon of gas and the gas companys make 7, right?
I think what the government needs to do is lift all of the tax exemptions and benefits they give to the oil companies. They can support themselves.
People, if you don\'t like oil companies making money, then FREAKING INVEST IN FREAKING OIL COMPANIES!!!
I agree... how do you think we are paying for the War. Gas and oil sales are heavily taxed and provide this country with Billions in revenues. Our nation itself is tied to the oil industry. Take away oil and gas taxes and the USA would go bankrupt. We\'re already in major debt, all that surplus Bill Clinton had tucked away was wiped out in a very short time. Social security needed to be fixed as did health care, but all our money went to a war only Bible thumpers, right wing nut jobs, and sheep incapable of personal thought supported. All that money squandered. If I lived in a red State I\'d hang my head in complete shame.
The problem is that the USA is goverened by money. Our God is cash, and I don\'t care what any religous zealots say, America only worships the dollar. God is just a thing used to keep a part of the population in check.
Our President is completely in the hands of the oil companies. We all know how much of the Bush fortune came through oil companies, and we also know how much personal interest the Bush family has with Saudi Arabia.
How does a not so smart, son of a former president, and spoiled rich kid get elected to be president....
The answer, he doesn\'t unless he is providing a service to those who had the power to get him into office. Make no mistake about it, GWB won the presidency on big time oil money, and has been and will be expected to support big oil by whatever means necessary.
Isn\'t funny how 9/11 and Afghanistan turned so quickly into the Iraq war ?
and anyone with a little knowledge of world markets could easily see how oil prices could and would sky rocket if the right situation was created.
IMO our government is just as corrupt as Saddamn regime (both Dems and Rep, with Republicans being the uglier of 2 evils), we\'re just fighting the battle in a different way that is transparent to the rest of the sheep... err people who voted for Bush.
unfortunately its the modern media that gets played and manipulated by the powers that be to create mind sets they want so that things can get done in the name of democracy.
Until capitilaism dies some, and more people suppport the infusion of socialistic values into out capitalistic society there is no chance of America, or the world getting any better. As long as there is extreme wealth in any society there is very little chance of world peace.
money is the root of all evil, there is no denying this. Greed has caused every pain we suffer from, and it was greed that has steered the middle East into the mess it is today. It was industrialized nations greed that fed money to the middle east and empowered certain groups of individuals.
I wish this bastard would be impeached, or better yet hung. I\'d celebrate the man who assasinates him as an American Hero. I hate George Bush that much. I have also swore I will never under any circumstance ever vote for a republican again. I\'ve seen enough and I am horrified.
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Its people like you that make me wish we could just completely revoke voting rights based on intelligence.
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I wish this bastard would be impeached, or better yet hung. I\'d celebrate the man who assasinates him as an American Hero. I hate George Bush that much. I have also swore I will never under any circumstance ever vote for a republican again. I\'ve seen enough and I am horrified.
How do you really feel?
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Its people that voted for GWB that make me wish we could just completely revoke voting rights based on intelligence.
fixed it
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Hey, 30% of the population can\'t be denied - Bush is an overwhelmingly successful president.
Why else would we have elected him twice?
I\'m voting for his daughter in \'08.
-Dan
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Hey, 30% of the population can\'t be denied - Bush is an overwhelmingly successful president.
Why else would we have elected him twice?
I\'m voting for his daughter in \'08.
-Dan
His daughter is pretty hot though. I\'d like to see her in playboy or something :jb:
My trust in Bush has been shaken and you guys remember how I was a couple years ago. I\'m not for or against the war anymore. I feel we need to get the job done and pull out. We\'re in the point of no return so this being for or against the war bitching is a waste of time. I\'m for getting what our troops need to get the job done faster and pulling out.
Bush\'s energy bill crap is what is pissing me off and what he did to the Supreme Court. It seems like he\'s trying to create more of a theocracy. I\'m a die hard atheist and feel that religion should be no where in the government. I also feel the morals and stuff like that of religion should have no bearing on domestic policy. This fight over abortion is bullshit. The only reason there is such a fight is because Christianity is saying its wrong and nutjobs want to push those morals and what the church says into a federal law banning abortion. If the church said it was alright, there would be no problem.
I\'m still gonna vote republican for the most part (unless I feel that a democrat is better suited). Why? I really hate how a lot of democrats feel the need to encroach on our personal freedoms, the right to bear arms, federal government controlling aspects of our lives, etc. They are too socialist for my taste. Don\'t get me wrong, republicans aren\'t much better. They seem to push religion too much. However, the core belief of a small central government and more states rights is what appeals to me and that\'s why I vote Republican.
Don\'t get me wrong, I feel there are really good democrats and republicans. I like the moderates on both sides for the most part and would rather see them in instead of full left or right wing. McCain is my favorite politician. He doesn\'t seem to give a rats ass about right and left wing but for what he believes in. I hope he runs for president because he is a good moderate.
If Hilary runs and wins....oh god I can\'t even imagine the mess this country would be in. If people thought Bush was bad, Hilary is gonna make domestic policy a mess and much worse.
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I wish this bastard would be impeached, or better yet hung. I\'d celebrate the man who assasinates him as an American Hero. I hate George Bush that much.
I\'d vote Bush back in office just to piss off people like u ^_^
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I\'d vote Bush back in office just to piss off people like u ^_^
:lmao: True that. I\'m really getting tired of whiny liberals about Bush. We get it. You don\'t like him. Stop making shit up that isn\'t true about 9/11 and Iraq. These conspiracy theories are seriously starting to piss me off.
I bet if you took a sample survey of a lot of the whining anti-bush people, most didn\'t even vote in the election. I feel if you don\'t vote in the election and hate Bush, shut the fuck up. You didn\'t take part in the voting process and therefore should not be bitching about it because you didn\'t even try to make a difference. If all the college whiny liberals got off their asses and voted, Kerry would have been president. Bush didn\'t win by THAT much.
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Well I\'m gonna attempt to water down the fire and say I know Bush is far from perfect. Even with all the stuff that\'s going on that people don\'t agree with, it would be great if we got to hear more from the man himself explaining his reasoning, through press conferences or any media outlet in general.
He\'s horrible on camera though, which hurts his presidency even more.
2008: Guilliani vs. Barack Obama vs. Strom Thurmond from the grave FTW
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I still think McCain would be the best choice. We need a moderate in power next term. That\'s my opinion though. We shouldnt\' go right or left wing. They tend to fuck things up. Bush is far right, look at the reaction. It probably wouldn\'t have been much better or worse with Kerry (far left).
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LMAO
you people who still defend your vote for Bush is a laugh, and arguing with you is completely worthless...
Republicans in general are distancing themselves from Bush because they know he is not right in the head and they have to save their own careers.
The population has pretty much completely turned on Bush and the approval ratings are laughably low.
All I can say now, 6 years later is, "I told ya so". I saw and called this mess when Bush started going off about Iraq when we supposeldy after Bin Laden, and now I get the unpleasant, un-satisfactory feeling of knowing I was 100% correct.
How about those republicans congressman and senators desperately trying to make changes to the constitiution to allow for more controls on our freedom, do youy chumps support that too ?
of course ya do, because your all a bunch of Bush fanboys
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I didn\'t want Kerry or Bush in office. *sigh*
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Just to clarify, I didn\'t vote for Bush but god damn that rant of Ddaryl\'s reminded me of just how STUPID people on both sides of the political fence can be.
Calling everyone voting for bush sheep and then going on about how he\'d never vote republican, wait, who\'s the sheep again?
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Wishing someone gets assassinated :thumb:
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All I can say now, 6 years later is, "I told ya so". I saw and called this mess when Bush started going off about Iraq when we supposeldy after Bin Laden, and now I get the unpleasant, un-satisfactory feeling of knowing I was 100% correct.
Trust daddy, the satisfaction I get from knowing how pissy you are whenever it comes to your elected president is better than you saying "I told ya so".
Over 2 and a motherfvcking half years to go, let\'s see how much blood can rush to your face when you post your next anti-bush speech. :hissyfit:
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Just to clarify, I didn\'t vote for Bush but god damn that rant of Ddaryl\'s reminded me of just how STUPID people on both sides of the political fence can be.
Calling everyone voting for bush sheep and then going on about how he\'d never vote republican, wait, who\'s the sheep again?
Which is why I\'m in the middle :) It shows you think for yourself and not what the party tell you to think. But that\'s just me.
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I didn\'t want Kerry or Bush in office. *sigh*
tru no doubt,...unfortunately i felt kerry and bush are both idiots....but bush was just stronger in his position, while kerry,..well you just didn\'t knew were he stood on issues,...2 1/2 years down the road and i still don\'t agree with the war,..cause honestly if we wouldn\'t have invaded iraq what would the u.s. have been doin?...they would have been doin\' what they have been doin all these years before we invaded....bombing strategic targets and keeping saddam in check,..i honestly felt there was no need for us to go in there,(well we all know how colin powell was against it from the jump).... and while i do feel that oil was probably a small part of the plan, i think it was moreso bush trying to finish the job his father started back in 91....
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Considering the huge oil surplus we find ourselves with right now, I\'d say that, yeah, oil may not have been that big a part of it.