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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Soul Reaver on May 08, 2006, 05:52:04 PM
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Australian Price revealed. Oh my. (http://palgn.com.au/article.php?id=4448)
In the final moments of the pre-E3 Sony press conference, the details regarding the launch dates and pricing of Sony\'s PlayStation 3 were revealed by Kaz Hirai.
Firstly, like the Xbox 360, the PlayStation 3 will be available in two flavours – one with a 20GB hard drive and another with a 60 GB hard drive. According to Sony, the 20GB pack will come without compatibility for MemoryStick/SD/CompactFlash, WiFi or HDMI OUT (i.e. no true 1080p).
The launch details are:
Japan on November 11th
20GB - 59,800 yen
60GB - open price (retailers will set it)
US on November 17th
20GB - $499 US
60GB - $599 US
Europe on November 17th
20GB - 499 Euros
60GB - 599 Euros
Australia on November 17th (prices quoted directly fron Sony Australia)
20GB - $829 AUD
60GB - $999 AUD
There\'s approximately a 20% increase in price (based on current exchange rates) between the US and European prices. Australasia was included with the European pricing, so it would be reasonable to expect that we will be in the higher price band.
Interestingly (if these release dates stand) while Japan will receive the console first, thanks to the time difference the PS3 will launch in Australian before Europe and America.
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The PS3 is basically a wireless dual shock with features similar to Nintendo\'s Wii remote. The Warhawk demonstration was pretty damn impressive.
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More edits to come for corrections if needed.
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HOLY SHIT
PS3 "Core" pack = No wifi + No HDMI + No MemoryStick /SD/CompactFlash
According to Sony (http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/060509ae.pdf)
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- Rumble Suport for the controller is gone and the $500 version does not support 1080p.
- "Core" version is not upgradeable. What it has (or rather, does not have) you are stuck with.
New Controller
It\'s no longer the dual shock, obviously.
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- PS3 price point in Europe is 500 and 600 euros.
Let\'s do some math.
[size=18]599 Euros = 761.2691 U.S. dollars[/size]
Sorry guys.
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It is covered in vents. Sleek looking though.
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Taken from B3D:
PS3: 325mm x 98mm x 274mm / 5kg
Xbox: 320mm x 101mm x 260mm / 3.84kg
Xbox 360: 309mm x 83mm x 258mm /3.49kg
The PS3 has no controller ports. Keep your PS2\'s if you want to enjoy Guitar Hero 1&2.
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[size=18]PS3 Gyro motion feature in action.[/size]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L42afYCfSyU&eurl=
The new MGS4 trailer was fantastic.
Metal Gear stampede.
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man these things pop up quick
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works for me
they\'ll sell like hotcakes, undeniable
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Wondering if I should invest in one and then sell it on ebay.
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I\'m going to pick up a \'full\' system for me, and probably a \'base\' system or two to flip. No doubt demand will outstrip supply, at least at first.
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Wondering if I should invest in one and then sell it on ebay.
I am actually planning on buying three.
After seeing what happened with the 360, I\'m not going to pass this up.
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I agree. If it\'s too cheap then I can only assume they are stripping down the blue ray features.
With this price I can at least feel like it\'s a viable Blue Ray Disc player.
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Didn\'t realize this was already posted. I\'ll go take down my thread in the Main Forum. I just made a whole bunch of threads in the Main Forum...check it out. :thumb:
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Didn\'t realize this was already posted. I\'ll go take down my thread in the Main Forum. I just made a whole bunch of threads in the Main Forum...check it out. :thumb:
So you want replies in a bunch of threads your will delete? Go delete boy-oh!
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So you want replies in a bunch of threads your will delete? Go delete boy-oh!
What? No. I posted a bunch of threads from Sony\'s Conference today. The thread I\'m deleting is a duplicate of this one.
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I remember ps3 used to have two HDMIs connection, now only the "premium" version have one HDMI and everything else. They are making two version of the consoles just like how microsoft make theirs...
Do you guys think it\'s better if they just make one version like the $600 and sell it as it is?
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I agree. If it\'s too cheap then I can only assume they are stripping down the blue ray features.
With this price I can at least feel like it\'s a viable Blue Ray Disc player.
It is a stripped down blu-ray player though. It\'ll be a good demo system, I guess, to see how well it actually runs videos.
Another $200 can get me the real deal but then I won\'t have a PS3 now would I?
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The normal version doesn\'t even have memory card slots. WTF?
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Also, the new MGS4 trailer was fantastic.
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hahaha man you are killing me :lmao: That was very funny
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The normal version doesn\'t even have memory card slots. WTF?
Neither have PS1 or PS2 memory slots.
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I remember ps3 used to have two HDMIs connection, now only the "premium" version have one HDMI and everything else. They are making two version of the consoles just like how microsoft make theirs...
Do you guys think it\'s better if they just make one version like the $600 and sell it as it is?
Some people don\'t care about HDMI and crap. Or perhaps someone wants to buy a second one and doesn\'t need all the bells and whistles on both.
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Correction. No Memory Stcik/SD/Compact Flash slots....HOW ON EARTH AM I GOING TO MOVE MY SAVED FILES OVER A FRIEND IF I GET THE 499 ONE? :mad:
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Why would they, really. Even the \'core\' system will have an HDD for saves, I assume any slot would just be there for loading old PS and PS2 games onto the PS3 for playing (like you\'ll be playing any old games for a while) :D
Just do it at a friends, and then copy, copy, copy!
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Correction. No Memory Stcik/SD/Compact Flash slots....HOW ON EARTH AM I GOING TO MOVE MY SAVED FILES OVER A FRIEND IF I GET THE 499 ONE? :mad:
You can\'t with the $600 version anyway.
Memory Sticks are NOT memory cards.
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Then no worries at all! Since it has an HDD, wait for a device to download saved from PS2/PS mem cards, or wait for the saves to hit the net and copy copy copy!
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Then no worries at all! Since it has an HDD, wait for a device to download saved from PS2/PS mem cards, or wait for the saves to hit the net and copy copy copy!
Oh man I can\'t wait to buy an obscure device to connect my memory card to my PC just because sony didn\'t give their new console memory card slots.
SWEET!
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works for me
they\'ll sell like hotcakes, undeniable
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You can\'t with the $600 version anyway.
Memory Sticks are NOT memory cards.
Cant I save something on it and move it to another console? I can do this with my Digital Camera\'s mem stick :confused:
So whats the use of a mem stick/sd/compact Flash anyways then?
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Cant I save something on it and move it to another console? I can do this with my Digital Camera\'s mem stick :confused:
So whats the use of a mem stick/sd/compact Flash anyways then?
It replaces the memory card slot completely.
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:laughing:
It\'s exremely wierd to have a guy with the name PSTwo have a 360 avatar who laughs at pro PS3 newsposts on a playstation forum. Just sayin\' is all.
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It replaces the memory card slot completely.
Yeah I know. I didnt mean to copy from the mem card to the mem stick.
What I ment is:
example: If I own a 499 PS3 I wont be able to get my Tekken6 save into a mem stick and then take it to a friend\'s PS3.
I ll have to buy a 599 PS3 to be able to exchange saves via a mem stick with friends
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Yeah I know. I didnt mean to copy from the mem card to the mem stick.
What I ment is:
example: If I own a 499 PS3 I wont be able to get my Tekken6 save into a mem stick and then take it to a friend\'s PS3.
I ll have to buy a 599 PS3 to be able to exchange saves via a mem stick with friends
Well, if you have the means to connect your memory card to your PC and then transfer the file to the PS3 HD, it might be possible.
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Wow, those prices are high. Good bye bank account.
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cant believe im actually falling to price. no way i can pay for that
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PAL ppl already paid about 550 euros for the PS2 at it\'s november 2000 launch. 500 euros for PS3 would be considered slightly cheap.
Having seen the conference ; I\'m gonna get one.
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LOL! Lie, Lie, Lie...hehe.
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pstwo, you wanna bet on my prediction?
wanna pick a date when PS3 sales blow right past xbox 360 sales?
:rofl:
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Well, if you have the means to connect your memory card to your PC and then transfer the file to the PS3 HD, it might be possible.
I want the easy way :(
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Time to start saving pennies.
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wonder how many people didn\'t think twice about an 800$ xbox 360 bundle
hell, didnt EB sell out on thier 1400$ bundles?
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So if I buy the 20 gig package does that mean that I won\'t get the HDMI cable? Does that mean I have to buy another cable in order to activate the high resolution?
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lol
I think Sony just handed Microsoft and Nintendo some sizeable chunks of the video game market. Casuals make up Sony\'s sales...and Sony just sent a big "Fuck you" to all of them. No doubt the hardcore Sonyphiles are going to eat this up, and I also have no reservations saying the system will be wanted by many...it\'s just that I seriously question how many will spend $500 on a crippled blu-ray player and a video game system that shows no difference in graphic fidelity to the cheaper 360. I suppose we\'ll see but in the mean time I have to bring up several points...more mud slinging than anything, but I just have to.
First off, I think every single one of you criticized Microsoft\'s 2 sku approach. In fact, I believe many of you said Microsoft fucked up and would only confuse consumers. Now Sony has 2 sku\'s, but worse is that the hardware is so different. At least Microsoft made it so you could upgrade to the Premium version. Sony\'s decision won\'t affect gameplay, but where is the upgrade path? If you get the "tard PS3" you\'re stuck with it and the lack of features.
Kutaragi said it would not be over $399, that they would not have more than one sku, that it was twice as powerful as the 360. It\'s a fair amount more than $400, there are two sku\'s, and the games shown thus far look just like 360 games.
It\'s all too funny. I saw it coming. I love it.
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both PS3 SKU\'s have a built in hard drive
back of the bus, please
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both PS3 SKU\'s have a built in hard drive
back of the bus, please
Can you upgrade or are you stuck with it?
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I think they mentioned removable HDD. Could be wrong though
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upgrade? who the fuck wants to "upgrade" a console?
that defeats the ENTIRE purpose of consoles where you have one standardized platform to play games.
how many xbox 360 titles will come out that require the use of the hard drive and all the core owners are left out?
is a HDMI port required to play games? no
anything else?
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you might need to upgrade your hdd capacity. If Sony does indeed plan on having a virtual console like MS and Nintendo then limited capacity is undesireable. I don\'t want to have to get rid of anything. 20 gigs fill up fast from what I hear.
Tell me how many games have released that require the HDD on the 360. I believe Final Fantasy XI is the ONLY one thus far, and that was to be expected.
No, but what\'s the point of paying that much money for a PS3 when you need HDMI to take advantage of the blu-ray (cause you do need it otherwise it\'s not true HD).
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how many people have know what HDMI is ?
Don\'t forget blue ray also helps out the games in storage capacity, its not just for HD movies, so tards who buy the core version won\'t miss out on all its true capablities
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20GB fill up fast?
are you just making this shit up?
i saw an image of some soccer management simulator that requried the HD.
be that a fake image or not (doesnt matter), there is already a title that requires it (FF11), which means your rationalization is moot.
cause you do need it otherwise it\'s not true HD
please tell me you copy and paste this nonsense from other forums and it\'s not your original thinking.
ever hear of HDCP? HDMI has nothing to do with "true HD" lol
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is a HDMI port required to play games? no
anything else?
Realizing the part you payed for so, so much cannot even be utilized to the fullest without it would sting a bit now wouldn\'t it? Blu-Ray is nothing without HDMI.
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lol
I think Sony just handed Microsoft and Nintendo some sizeable chunks of the video game market. Casuals make up Sony\'s sales...and Sony just sent a big "Fuck you" to all of them. No doubt the hardcore Sonyphiles are going to eat this up, and I also have no reservations saying the system will be wanted by many...it\'s just that I seriously question how many will spend $500 on a crippled blu-ray player and a video game system that shows no difference in graphic fidelity to the cheaper 360. I suppose we\'ll see but in the mean time I have to bring up several points...more mud slinging than anything, but I just have to.
First off, I think every single one of you criticized Microsoft\'s 2 sku approach. In fact, I believe many of you said Microsoft fucked up and would only confuse consumers. Now Sony has 2 sku\'s, but worse is that the hardware is so different. At least Microsoft made it so you could upgrade to the Premium version. Sony\'s decision won\'t affect gameplay, but where is the upgrade path? If you get the "tard PS3" you\'re stuck with it and the lack of features.
Kutaragi said it would not be over $399, that they would not have more than one sku, that it was twice as powerful as the 360. It\'s a fair amount more than $400, there are two sku\'s, and the games shown thus far look just like 360 games.
It\'s all too funny. I saw it coming. I love it.
I think you make some good points.
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wonder how many people didn\'t think twice about an 800$ xbox 360 bundle
hell, didnt EB sell out on thier 1400$ bundles?
Oh wait what?
Those bundles came with games?
What?
oh man wow what a startling revelation!
what\'s that?
Your logic makes no sense? Silly man, we knew that already.
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Blu-Ray is nothing without HDMI.
HDCP is nothing without HDMI
if the studio does not set the flag, the blu-ray film plays fine over DVI/component
get it right, please
you completely missed the point, like always
people dropped 1400$ (with games/accessories they didn\'t even want) without blinking an eye.
thousands of people bought that quad-SLI 10,000$ Dell PC last month
million of people buy 30,000$ cars every month
need i continue?
the 600$ price tag is NOT the issue
stupidity is
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wonder how many people didn\'t think twice about an 800$ xbox 360 bundle
hell, didnt EB sell out on thier 1400$ bundles?
Oh wait what?
Those bundles came with games?
What?
oh man wow what a startling revelation!
what\'s that?
Your logic makes no sense? Oh, we knew that already.
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you might need to upgrade your hdd capacity. If Sony does indeed plan on having a virtual console like MS and Nintendo then limited capacity is undesireable. I don\'t want to have to get rid of anything. 20 gigs fill up fast from what I hear.
Tell me how many games have released that require the HDD on the 360. I believe Final Fantasy XI is the ONLY one thus far, and that was to be expected.
No, but what\'s the point of paying that much money for a PS3 when you need HDMI to take advantage of the blu-ray (cause you do need it otherwise it\'s not true HD).
Thats because the HD doesnt come as standard. Developers wouldnt want to make games that will need a HD many wont own to play
On the other hand who knows? It might end up like the XBOX on which the HD wasnt of much use.
Unless Sony included the HD for a good reason.
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HDCP is nothing without HDMI
if the studio does not set the flag, the blu-ray film plays fine over DVI/component
get it right, please
Wow damage control, what the fuck does that matter.
no 1080p on a fucking console that brags about blu-ray and makes us pay so much for it?
yea, good one
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HDMI is the \'next generation\' hi def output. You don\'t have to output hi def movies on HDMI, but only HDMI can be HDCP approved, so if you play an HDCP movie on it it will be downscaled to lower than 1080p.
Has anyone else noticed though, that Sony\'s own movies have been announced as not HDCP protected? I wonder if that was in anticipation of the cheapo PS3 not having HDMI?
so then let me ask this question
Why even bother?
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Has anyone else noticed though, that Sony\'s own movies have been announced as not HDCP protected? I wonder if that was in anticipation of the cheapo PS3 not having HDMI?
so then let me ask this question
Why even bother?
Wrong. I think you are confused with ICT (image constraint token) flag. It\'s up to the studios to put on the ICT flag or not for the the analog connection like the component video.
While the digital connection, pretty much all movies have the HDCP protection to prevent people copying movies off the disc digitally...
Since the strip down version of ps3 only have analog video output, no HDMI. You still can watch blu ray movies in high def of 720p or 1080i via component video connection as long as ICT was not set on in the blu ray disc...
Because ICT is optional...
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he won\'t believe you, god forbid default is wrong about something
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Wrong. I think you are confused with ICT (image constraint token) flag. It\'s up to the studios to put on the ICT flag or not for the the analog connection like the component video.
While the digital connection, pretty much all movies have the HDCP protection to prevent people copying movies off the disc digitally...
Since the strip down version of ps3 only have analog video output, no HDMI. You still can watch blu ray movies in high def of 720p or 1080i via component video connection as long as ICT was not set on in the blu ray disc...
Because ICT is optional...
I know you still can watch at 720p and 1080i, but the matter is that damned 1080p. Thanks for clearing some of that stuff up though.
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ahahaha
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Does this mean that movies with ICT (not that I know what that is. I need enlightenment) wont be viewable on the cheaper PS3? What if studios put this in movies I d want to watch but I only own the cheap PS3?
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Does this mean that movies with ICT (not that I know what that is. I need enlightenment) wont be viewable on the cheaper PS3? What if studios put this in movies I d want to watch but I only own the cheap PS3?
Good question.
If a studio put the ICT flag in the disc, then the resolution of the movie will be down res to 960 x 540p instead of the full 1920 x 1080p. meaning, you will be able to see 1/4th or a quarter resolution of the full 1080p via analog connection like component video output...
So, you still can watch the movie. just that it\'s a bit better than 720 x 480p of dvd resolution, but not full resolution of HD though...
Its a good thing that it\'s optional because Sony movie studios won\'t set the flag on for their movies in blu ray. And I remember reading other studios also won\'t set the flag on either for now too...so most current blu ray movies won\'t have the ICT for now...
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thanks for the info :)
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Blu-Ray is nothing without HDMI.
Wow, am I on ignore?
DVD = 5 GB
Blue-ray= 25 GB
The large percentage of people who get PS3 won\'t have HD monitors, so they wont miss HDMI. Those of us who have HD will happily pay $100 extra to take advantage of our super expensive HD monitors. (Not to mention we get a bigger 60 GB Hard Drive)
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Wow, am I on ignore?
DVD = 5 GB
Blue-ray= 25 GB
The large percentage of people who get PS3 won\'t have HD monitors, so they wont miss HDMI. Those of us who have HD will happily pay $100 extra to take advantage of our super expensive HD monitors. (Not to mention we get a bigger 60 GB Hard Drive)
Yea, um, the reason I want a new video format is because of the enhanced video quality.
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so you only want one part of a new format? what happens if we drop high capicity? good bye enhanced visuals!
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so you only want one part of a new format? what happens if we drop high capicity? good bye enhanced visuals!
No
I didn\'t say I only want one, I said the reason. What are you retarded?
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No
I didn\'t say I only want one, I said the reason. What are you retarded?
You still dont get it, do you. lol, i\'m sure you still think blu-ray is useless without HDMI...
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Useless? No, I didn\'t say it was useless. Stop putting words in my mouth.
I\'m saying it\'s pointless without HDMI.
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...Depends on your view of pointless.
It does give the developer more storage for those sweet CGI movie\'s ....;)
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...Depends on your view of pointless.
It does give the developer more storage for those sweet CGI movie\'s ....;)
hahahaha CGI movies is the last thing that comes to my mind when Im thinking about what devs could do with BR. good one . I dont even want to see CGI no more, considering how good the graphics are now.
I\'m excited about BR because now, even in a Final Fantasy game, every single word can be spoken, GT can have 1000+ cars and 100 tracks, and developers can model worlds/cities tens of miles in diameter.
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text based RPG\'s are dead, and good riddance
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Canadian News Story (http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20060509/ca_pr_on_en/games_sony_ps3_2)
Price in Canada for the PS3 = $549 and $659. This translates into a VERY small (about 1.5% base and 0.5% premium) savings with the conversion from USD.
*edit* fixed typo.
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hahahaha CGI movies is the last thing that comes to my mind when Im thinking about what devs could do with BR. good one . I dont even want to see CGI no more, considering how good the graphics are now.
I\'m excited about BR because now, even in a Final Fantasy game, every single word can be spoken, GT can have 1000+ cars and 100 tracks, and developers can model worlds/cities tens of miles in diameter.
Yeah, right.
Live in fantasy world, boy.
Let\'s see, developer costs are out of the roof as of now, can you imagine if they done what you are wanting? It is just like everyone said the MS HD would be great because it would allow streaming for textures and all this great stuff - know what happened with it? Nothing really. It was used for downloadable content and patches.. In Blu-Ray\'s case, it\'ll be used for more CGI cut scenes and most importantly, it\'ll be used as a trojan horse for Sony in the HD battle, nothing more.
:laughing: @ 1000+ cars!
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Keep hatin\'
I\'ll have bragging rights, you won\'t. Nobody\'s going to care that you got a Wii.
And when GT5 (or 6) comes out with 1,000 cars I\'ll be accepting your apology
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who needs 1000 cars? honestly
gimme a handful of cars, and a game truly capable of dynamically creating new tracks.
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Keep hatin\'
I\'ll have bragging rights, you won\'t. Nobody\'s going to care that you got a Wii.
And when GT5 (or 6) comes out with 1,000 cars I\'ll be accepting your apology
Nobody cares about GT anymore. Jump on a new bandwagon you sheep.
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Keep hatin\'
I\'ll have bragging rights, you won\'t. Nobody\'s going to care that you got a Wii.
And when GT5 (or 6) comes out with 1,000 cars I\'ll be accepting your apology
Like I said, keep dreaming. You are not goin\' to see a 1,000 friggin\' cars in any game. Get a grip with reality and cost of development. This has nothing to do with the Wii, it has to do with being realistic and not being a blind fanboy.
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stop the hatin it\'s totally possible homie
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Like I said, keep dreaming. You are not goin\' to see a 1,000 friggin\' cars in any game. Get a grip with reality and cost of development. This has nothing to do with the Wii, it has to do with being realistic and not being a blind fanboy.
GT4 has nearly 700, and if I\'m not mistaken GT2 had more
No reason to expect Polyphony Digital to cut back on the number of cars they will put in the game.
mm says 1,000 cars aren\'t necessary, but how about 100 tracks? At gtplanet.net the wishlists for real world tracks goes past 100
Laugh all you want, but the more they can cram in there the better
At first I expect the extra BR space to be used for CG etc, but eventually game developers will use it in game. You kinda remind me of what some CD guys may have said about DVDs, that they would only be good for storing extra CG
like them, you too will e wrong
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The limitation that will prevent you from seeing 1,000 cars in a future GT game is NOT hard drive space. It\'s developer time. A few years back, the dev said the reason GT3 had fewer cars than GT2 was because they didn\'t have enough time to create that much content. I expect the same will always be the case. They can port data from older versions of GT, but as the standards change, there will always be human time required to create every new release.
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nothing irritates me like a racing game that doubles it\'s racetracks by making you do them backwards
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nothing irritates me like a racing game that doubles it\'s racetracks by making you do them backwards
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:laughing: Seriously. I alwyas have trouble doing most courses backwards.
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nothing irritates me like a racing game that doubles it\'s racetracks by making you do them backwards
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Wow I guess you find reality very irritating, since that how real road courses operate.
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let me think the last time i was on a real road course......um.....never
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The limitation that will prevent you from seeing 1,000 cars in a future GT game is NOT hard drive space. It\'s developer time. A few years back, the dev said the reason GT3 had fewer cars than GT2 was because they didn\'t have enough time to create that much content. I expect the same will always be the case. They can port data from older versions of GT, but as the standards change, there will always be human time required to create every new release.
That is exactly what I said earlier. It isn\'t a matter of space, it is a matter of development cost. The cost of a game is already outrageous, developers are not goin\' to up that cost by lisencing and developing 1000 cars. Clowd lives in a fantasy world, what can you say?
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That is exactly what I said earlier. It isn\'t a matter of space, it is a matter of development cost. The cost of a game is already outrageous, developers are not goin\' to up that cost by lisencing and developing 1000 cars.
So your saying Blu-rays only benefit to gaming is more CG?
Clowd lives in a fantasy world, what can you say?
You say that like its a bad thing
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That is exactly what I said earlier. It isn\'t a matter of space, it is a matter of development cost. The cost of a game is already outrageous, developers are not goin\' to up that cost by lisencing and developing 1000 cars. Clowd lives in a fantasy world, what can you say?
Considering that they actually take the time to learn how each car handles at a track and test drive them to refine the physics, I\'d doubt they\'d want to add another 500 or so obscure cars that not many people really care about.
Also, that would just break anyones budget.
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My new theme is what\'s up guys.
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So your saying Blu-rays only benefit to gaming is more CG?
You say that like its a bad thing
BR will be used for higher res textures and CG, that\'s about it. Also audio files, but your massive worlds and 1000 cars is a pipe dream, get over it.
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BR will be used for higher res textures and CG, that\'s about it. Also audio files, but your massive worlds and 1000 cars is a pipe dream, get over it.
Woah well EXCUSE me Mr. Videogame creation expert. I will try and get over it, if it is indeed true. Sony propaganda says that some games, like the upcoming Getaway PS3 will only be possible with blu-ray due to the complexity and size of the city.
Is that true ?
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Companies say a lot of things. I remember when Sega said cel shading can only be done by the Dreamcast.
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let me think the last time i was on a real road course......um.....never
Yeah you\'ve got a point. No reason why you\'d want a racing simulator to be um ... realistic. Yeah, realism is irritating when it comes to simulators. I thnk I\'m coming around to your point of view. :p
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Woah well EXCUSE me Mr. Videogame creation expert. I will try and get over it, if it is indeed true. Sony propaganda says that some games, like the upcoming Getaway PS3 will only be possible with blu-ray due to the complexity and size of the city.
Is that true ?
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Sony also promised you two HDMI ports and six USB ports.........
They also said the first Getaway would be the "GTA killer"......
...They also said the PS2 could do "toy story graphics"..........
Move along, troll.
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Yeah you\'ve got a point. No reason why you\'d want a racing simulator to be um ... realistic. Yeah, realism is irritating when it comes to simulators. I thnk I\'m coming around to your point of view. :p
the best racing games are not simulators
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the best racing games are not simulators
So true.
Mario Kart and Pole Position FOR THE WIN!
...and Dayonta USA [/i]
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let me think the last time i was on a real road course......um.....never
I dont tink the problem are the reverse tracks. The problem is....lack of unique tracks. I wouldnt mind reverse tracks as long as the unique tracks are many
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the only thing i hate about the gt series are those redundant licsense tests....in the very 1st game..i tolerated it, but with each version i just became tired of tryin to get all gold or whatever..i also loved how you could mod your car in the 1st one...i mean the options were wide open,..i didn\'t play alot of prt 4, but i know in prt 3 you really couldn\'t mod your car that much...maybe one day,..i\'ll pick gt 4 and find some cheat code that will give me alot of money and all gold license tests...
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I think that it is pretty futile to argue over the price-point. Yes, it might be expensive for a console, but if you want a good gaming-PC, you have to pay just as much ( if not more ) for it. The simple fact that PS3 comes with a built-in Blu-Ray drive should answer anybody\'s complaints about its price.
Now, I already own an Xbox 360, and being the hardcore gamer that I am, I have to get myself a PS3 as well. Why? Due to MGS4 and Final Fantasy XIII, plus the fact that it upscales all PS and PS2 games to HD. Thank God I got a well-paying summer-job, though. ;)
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Can you send me some money? PLEEEEEAAAASE?
See? I said the magic word. Now you have to send me some :D
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uhm..can somebody explain to me...in a nutshell the difference between these two versions of ps3\'s?...i mean if i purchased the stripped down version, what will i miss out on? is it all about this high definition feature?..:confused:
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Kutaragi stills thinks its too cheap at $599. How is that possible, Ken?
I\'m already turned off by the price as it is, and you want to increase it?
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Nope - if I would send you money, Uni, I wouldn\'t have enough dough to cover my own expenses ;) Sorry.
Clip, here is a simple comparison:
The 20 GB system has no Wi-Fi Connectivity, no HDMI connection or a Memory Card Reader.
So it is a MUCH worse deal, generally.
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The price is indeed steep and the launch games will most likely not stomp the opposition.
I did buy an Ati 1900XTX at € 631 first day the retailers (blame the EU vat) had it this year but it\'s probably the first time i\'m not going to pre order a next gen console like i used to. Eventually i do plan on getting the 60Gb PS3 though.
However, Tim Sweeney\'s future vision does favour PS3\'s architecture. When asked :
Interviewerten years from now do you vision that we will see... GPU\'s handling graphics, and PPU\'s handling physics, CPU doing A.I. and that kind of thing or do you think we will see some kind of blend of the 3 technologies or maybe 2 of them?
SweeneyLooking at the long term future, the next 10 years or so, my hope and expectation is that there will be a real convergance between the CPU, GPU and non traditional architectures like the Physicx chip from Ageia, the Cell technology from Sony. You really want all those to evolve in the way of a large scale multicore CPU that has alot of non traditional computing power as a GPU has now. A GPU processes a huge number of pixels in parallel using relitevly simply control flow, CPU\'s are extremely good at random access logic, lots of branching, handling cache and things like that. I think really, essential, graphics and computing need to evolve together to the point where the future renders I hope and expect will look alot more like a software render from previous generations than a fixed function rasterizer pipeline and the stuff we have currently. I think GPU\'s will ulimately end up being... you know when we look at this 10 years from now, we will look back at GPU\'s being kinda a temporary fixed function hardware solution, to a problem that ultimately was, just general computing.
Looking at it that way.. one could say that Sony\'s setting steps to hardware & software development now... instead of doing full player control interface
innovation right now.
A decade is a longterm vision though and maybe too long for the current videogame industries bussiness models.
The one who\'s really doing carpe diem is imo, Microsoft which is also evident from the Peter Moore interviews. They\'re pushing the envelope to sell as many units as possible now. This reminds me indeed of Sega\'s years ; management decissions which imo were focused on \'right here, right now\'.
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Sony also promised you two HDMI ports and six USB ports.........
They also said the first Getaway would be the "GTA killer"......
...They also said the PS2 could do "toy story graphics"..........
Move along, troll.
So what if I\'m just a puppet of Sony...
Once upon a time... YOU WERE TOO!
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There\'s so much love on this forum these days. Incredible :thumb:
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It\'s Friday fags. Fuck this console shit and let\'s not be here!
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Kutaragi stills thinks its too cheap at $599. How is that possible, Ken?
I\'m already turned off by the price as it is, and you want to increase it?
Well...this thread at beyond3d made it sound too cheap for me.
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30746
Linux also installed?
:eek:
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I love the fact that it will have an internal power-supply. The darn X360 brick takes a LOT of space.
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pstwo, you wanna bet on my prediction?
wanna pick a date when PS3 sales blow right past xbox 360 sales?
:rofl:
I\'ll take that bet.
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I\'ll take that bet.
I take that back. Even though MM will be waiting in a long ass line of one to buy it at launch, there are still alot of morons out there who will need to Jesse James about 30 banks to afford it it just may still sell. As for me, Im gonna spend almost a grand on an Alienware computer that will make the PS3 look like a Coleco Vision.
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Best second post ever!
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I take that back. Even though MM will be waiting in a long ass line of one to buy it at launch, there are still alot of morons out there who will need to Jesse James about 30 banks to afford it it just may still sell. As for me, Im gonna spend almost a grand on an Alienware computer that will make the PS3 look like a Coleco Vision.
already stated i will not be buying one at launch, for several reasons.
anyone who wants one will throw it on the ol\' credit card without a second thought.
:rofl: at "Im gonna spend almost a grand on an Alienware computer that will make the PS3 look like a Coleco Vision."
lol, alienware.
:thumb:
now what was that about a fool and his money?
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already stated i will not be buying one at launch, for several reasons.
anyone who wants one will throw it on the ol\' credit card without a second thought.
:rofl: at "Im gonna spend almost a grand on an Alienware computer that will make the PS3 look like a Coleco Vision."
lol, alienware.
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now what was that about a fool and his money?
LOL.
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come on, bud
you really have to try harder than that.
even "Default" would call me a cocksucker or something.
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Out of all this, I think the most amusing thing is the critisim MS got when comin\' into this market, no one wanted a "pc-console", but now Sony has turned around and are making it even more a PC...
-shrugs-
Oh well, to each his own.
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oh, i can create my msword documents on the PS3?
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LIC, I didn\'t really follow that either, unless you\'re talking about ports and the harddrive, but even with 360, that\'s so far over most people\'s heads (including mine) it doesn\'t figure into anything.
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Out of all this, I think the most amusing thing is the critisim MS got when comin\' into this market, no one wanted a "pc-console", but now Sony has turned around and are making it even more a PC...
-shrugs-
Oh well, to each his own.
Not when it comes to games.
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i still say hard drives have NO place in consoles and they\'re an atrocity.
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I disagree. Memory cards are a pain in the ass, in my opinion. Standard harddrives and an option to get those saves out of there in the event of switching systems is perfect. There were exactly two benefits to cartridges, and a permanent save was one of them.
-Dan
/load times is the other. you were wondering.
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come on, bud
you really have to try harder than that.
even "Default" would call me a cocksucker or something.
LOL
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well, perhaps a 40GB+ HD is the atrocity
they add 100$ to the cost of a console without barely any other advantage.
rip your own tunes, yeah that\'s cool :rolleyes:
why not 1GB solid state memory? (mucho cheap, these days)
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Yeah, they should just include a standard SD card slot on consoles, and provide a small 32meg card with each new console package. Owners can insert a bigger card if they desire, and it would solve the "proprietary memory card vs. hard drive" problem.
Of course every manufacturer except Nintendo dreams of their console becoming the "family media center" in some future Jetsons household. Crazy nonsense if you ask me.
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ow boy... UK PS3 to be 425 pound sterling at launch...
ouch.. that would be about € 627
http://eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=64848 (http://eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=64848)
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Sheesh, mm fights the good fight alone now. There\'s never been enough bannings around here.
I\'m not sure the PS3 will blow by the 360 in sales anytime soon. Each company will sell every unit on shelves this holiday. Sony will market Sony style and will not keep up with demand. MS will stumble around with abstract marketing and faux hip ads, but will ride Gears hype to success. I don\'t see the appeal of this game outside of the graphics, but I am open to giving it a try.
Casuals want Madden, GTA and a shooter. Sony and MS will have these. MS will have the biggest title in 07 with H3, the movie will break video game to movie box office records (this is not saying much) and will outsell Sony in 07.
Sometime in 08 PS3 becomes affordable to the mainstream, and then it\'ll be interesting.
Wii will sell as the Gamecube did, I wouldn\'t expect it to sell any more--this is something mm and I have always agreed on. The wiimote is no innovation, doesn\'t look fun, is a gimmick and will get even fewer popular third party multiplatform games. Nice one, Nintendo.
Oh, and HD are a nice addition, but Sony will burn as MS did last generation for including an internal one in each console. It\'s nice for gamers though.
Flame on.
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Sheesh, mm fights the good fight alone now. There\'s never been enough bannings around here.
True - you always should of been one of the first to be banned. ;)
Wii will sell as the Gamecube did, I wouldn\'t expect it to sell any more--this is something mm and I have always agreed on. The wiimote is no innovation, doesn\'t look fun, is a gimmick and will get even fewer popular third party multiplatform games. Nice one, Nintendo.
All that is opinion and speculation. A lot of casual gamers are looking forward to the Wii, not sure why people like you can\'t grasp that. Nintendo is aiming for that market and they will have success with that market. Other gamers, like Eik and myself are also looking forward to it.
Casuals want Madden, GTA and a shooter. Sony and MS will have these. MS will have the biggest title in 07 with H3, the movie will break video game to movie box office records (this is not saying much) and will outsell Sony in 07.
Halo 3 won\'t be that big of a deal. They\'ll have to push some 360\'s out the door first and I think people are tiring of Halo already.
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The wiimote is no innovation, doesn\'t look fun, is a gimmick
Sony adding motion sensors to the PS3 controller is a gimmick.
The wiimote is a drastic change to the style in which videogames are played on consoles.
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Sheesh, mm fights the good fight alone now. There\'s never been enough bannings around here.
I\'m not sure the PS3 will blow by the 360 in sales anytime soon. Each company will sell every unit on shelves this holiday. Sony will market Sony style and will not keep up with demand. MS will stumble around with abstract marketing and faux hip ads, but will ride Gears hype to success. I don\'t see the appeal of this game outside of the graphics, but I am open to giving it a try.
Casuals want Madden, GTA and a shooter. Sony and MS will have these. MS will have the biggest title in 07 with H3, the movie will break video game to movie box office records (this is not saying much) and will outsell Sony in 07.
Sometime in 08 PS3 becomes affordable to the mainstream, and then it\'ll be interesting.
Wii will sell as the Gamecube did, I wouldn\'t expect it to sell any more--this is something mm and I have always agreed on. The wiimote is no innovation, doesn\'t look fun, is a gimmick and will get even fewer popular third party multiplatform games. Nice one, Nintendo.
Oh, and HD are a nice addition, but Sony will burn as MS did last generation for including an internal one in each console. It\'s nice for gamers though.
Flame on.
Theres not much to flame on, you post just as safe as mm, what a pity
but, how can you say the Wii remote doesnt look fun? Sure it may blow on some games but for others like Star Wars games etc it will be a blast to have full control over a light saber etc.
The Wii remote not an innovation? It is to the console world. And why are you so against it? Nintendo is trying to do something new. The last thing they need is hatas like you
Wanna know when the PS3 surpasses the 360 in sells? When Xbox 3 comes out 3 years from now and everyone buys it instead of the 360.
oh, btw, your post was nothing more than a brief summary of what a dozen members have stated already. Try to keep up to date, k?
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"on consoles"
"to the console world"
stop making excuses already.
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It isn\'t fun. It looks silly and the types of games that it will work well with don\'t interest me. I\'m sure there are lots of kids who are excited about the Wii, kids like all sorts of stupid shit. They also like Nintendo games. Nintendo has given up trying to compete with Sony and MS and have boxed themselves into the 17 and younger demographic. Not only that, but the graphics just aren\'t there, and are leagues behind PS3 and 360. At $50-100 less, it\'s just not going to be that attractive. The new Mario is fun and neat, Zelda is difficult to control, many people were having problems with it. Red Steel is really, very bad.
Or look at it this way, say the thing works wonders and everyone loves it. MS and Sony will copy it (MS already has the tech) and then what will Nintendo have? Shitty graphics and cutesy games. Even if it doesn\'t take off, Sony and MS will copy it to fill a niche.
People are tiring of Halo. hahaha
What planet are you living on? People aren\'t going to care about Madden either, I bet. If the casual market was as you suggest, they would have picked up the NFL 2K series and found it superior. But cling to that hope and dream if it helps you deal. So people are tiring of Mario, Zelda and Pokemon--oh wait, nintendo franchises are sacred.
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It isn\'t fun. It looks silly and the types of games that it will work well with don\'t interest me. I\'m sure there are lots of kids who are excited about the Wii, kids like all sorts of stupid shit
Learn what opinion is. You played one? No . So you can\'t say if it is or isn\'t fun. And this whole "kids" thing is absurd, there is plenty of adults looking forward to the Wii, so get over it. Hell, my fiance couldn\'t care less about the other two, but wants a Wii. Same with my mother who plays games, but lost interest with the PS2 generation. Adults do care about it, just not the same type who care about Halo.
And I said I think people will be tired of Halo - it\'s a generic FPS. Mario, Zelda and other games are not sacred but they do offer a change of pace sequel from sequel.
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That\'s where you\'re wrong, I have played it. Not everyone is you.
Generic FPS have been the biggest genre in gaming for more than a decade. They aren\'t going anywhere.
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That\'s where you\'re wrong, I have played it. Not everyone is you.
Hey you playied Wii? You ve been to E3??
Share your impressions with us of the show :)
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What would you like to know? You probably saw more the of the show than I did watching videos.
I was a little harsh on Wii, it was interesting and novel, but I don\'t see the long term viability of it. It\'s cool for a bit, but I can see it wearing thin. Also bear in mind I have no use to racing wheels, flight sticks or bongo drums either.
I wasn\'t able to play it to that extent, I had work to do, but the smile I had on my face when I first tried it didn\'t last. I liken it to great graphics, they draw you in at first, but don\'t make a game any better in most cases.
As I said above, I got frustrated with Zelda, especially the bow. I know, I know, accusations that I\'m w34ks4uc3rz are coming, but trust me, I wasn\'t the only one having great difficulty. It\'s something still being fine tuned, I\'m told, so I guess we\'ll see.
Mario was fun, and pretty cool as Mario always is. The sound especially, but the graphics were nice also. Speaking of which, I didn\'t hear any sound coming out of the wiimote, nor did I see a speaker (I didn\'t think to look for it) so I can\'t comment on fidelity or usefulness of that particular feature. Metroid was really disappointing, it looked exactly like GC metroid.
One thing I will say about Nintendo, I didn\'t see any framerate problems at all. Sony and MS had problems in nearly every game. I wasn\'t able to get in on Gears multiplayer, unfortunately. Everyone knew that it was the one game I wanted to play, so I\'ve head about it a lot since.
I spent most of my time with Nintendo (not my choice, but was able to check out the other booths as well). Oh, and I saw 1up Jane. <3 haha
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That\'s where you\'re wrong, I have played it. Not everyone is you.
Generic FPS have been the biggest genre in gaming for more than a decade. They aren\'t going anywhere.
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You know, I got to agree with Watchdog here. First person shooters aren\'t going to be going anywhere, just like platformers and RPG\'s. They also happen to attract pretty much all PC gaming fans.
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i used to be roomates with a guy that "tilted" the controller when he played GT1 8 years ago.
i used to laugh at him for it....
oh, the irony
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..Yea, we believe ya\'.
It\'s a big quinky-dink you just now stepped up and said you went to E3. Not to mention even if you did, you\'re in the minority. The media has stated over and over it was a blast to play the Wii, so once again, it boils down to opinion. Learn what that means.
I still file your E3 claim under bullshit - but whatever. If you did play it , more power to you. It still gives you no ground on the Wii being no fun, simply because every other media outlet loved the Wii.
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I can\'t see Watchdog standing in line for 4 hours to play it either. They were record lines and if he did play it he either waited a long time or was one of the few who got in early and sprinted over there. Neither of which would be similiar in comparassion to Watch\'s earlier anti Nintendo perspective.
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Preach it, brother.
Hey...I went to E3 also.
Not everyone is you, Jumpy.
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..Yea, we believe ya\'.
It\'s a big quinky-dink you just now stepped up and said you went to E3. Not to mention even if you did, you\'re in the minority. The media has stated over and over it was a blast to play the Wii, so once again, it boils down to opinion. Learn what that means.
I still file your E3 claim under bullshit - but whatever. If you did play it , more power to you. It still gives you no ground on the Wii being no fun, simply because every other media outlet loved the Wii.
Actually I think it got mixed impressions. The biggest "praise" at E3 was based on the huge waiting lines and people who wanted to try it.
Despite that the videogame media are optimistic that certain issues in some games will be solved.
I dont think a few minutes of play at E3 are enough to conclude wether its a blast to play it for hours
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just watching a video of it in action tells me it\'s gonna be lame
/shrug
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go look forward to doom 4 mm LOL
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i used to be roomates with a guy that "tilted" the controller when he played GT1 8 years ago.
i used to laugh at him for it....
oh, the irony
What I figured was that Sony is going to refine the controller a bit more. Such excessive movement would make anyone look like a total butt clamp.
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That guy was exaggerating. You just tilt it. It\'s basically like the controller has six buttons in it that you press by tilting the controller toward the button. (left, right, front, back, up, down)
-Dan
(up, up, down, down, left, right)
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well istill think it\'s gonna be be kind of lame to be playin games like that on the wii..for me personally anyway,...i think if any of my menz came over and i wanted them to a play a game with the wii controller, they might end up whoopin\' my ass for askin\' them to play it..:p...nintendo has and always will cater to the younger gen...yea you have a few adults that grew up with mario and donkey kong, but for for the most part they depend on the younger set...
but on the flip side they have a nice price advantage,....as far as ps3 is concerned and i still say,..what is going to happen after the holiday season? will the average consumer still front 499 - 599 for a console? i honestly don\'t think so,...again i applaud nintendo for trying something different, but that wii controller thingy is not gonna appeal to me,..it seems like that they are on some ol quirky s**t that the japenese gamers and some americans like...
i think we can applaud both ms and sony for bringing us gaming systems in general that can play dvd\'s in general. it was a nice touch in 2001, even tho it wasn\'t really needed,...i\'d really just be happy if ms and sony just tried to create only gaming consoles and stop tryin to be the all in one...i remenber the ps2 was supposed to be the all in one and by the time this idea is fully realized it\'s time for new consoles to come out all over again...
just concentrate on the typical graphics and performance upgrade. i\'m pretty sure the masses will be happy with that...anything else, we have pc\'s for....i just thought of something,..where are we in terms of bits on these consoles?...i kinda lost track after the 32 bit era...:p
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uhhh
He was not exaggerating anything. He was really playing it in the conference and he had to move in such a manner to do normal turns and whatnot. He also did a very butchered landing in the end.
Like I said, this will most likely be remedied by the time the system comes out.
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Well he did it try to make it seem like that\'s how it worked, so I guess he succeeded in your case. But it\'s just a tilt sensor, regardless of how spastic he was while demoing the feature.
I said once it\'d be like showing off buttons on the controller by putting the thing on the ground, running across the room and landing a diving headbutt on the X button.
Sure, you could go through all that, but really, you just have to press it.
-Dan
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I said once it\'d be like showing off buttons on the controller by putting the thing on the ground, running across the room and landing a diving headbutt on the X button.
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I didn\'t have to wait in line. Don\'t believe me. I got to play the 360 before it was released also, and I went to E3 last year. It happens, people get jobs, some jobs have perks.
Had I come on here trupetting Wii, I\'m sure you\'d believe me then. But whatever helps your world view.
You should also learn what opinion is, I stated mine. You call me a liar. I have nothing to prove to you nor do I care to. Enjoy your Wii.
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I didn\'t have to wait in line. Don\'t believe me. I got to play the 360 before it was released also, and I went to E3 last year. It happens, people get jobs, some jobs have perks.
Had I come on here trupetting Wii, I\'m sure you\'d believe me then. But whatever helps your world view.
You should also learn what opinion is, I stated mine. You call me a liar. I have nothing to prove to you nor do I care to. Enjoy your Wii.
We don\'t believe you because you have zero crediablity in the forums, you just come out with this whole E3 thing out of nowhere, a big quinky-dink.
You should learn what opinion is. You are going around stating the Wii isn\'t fun, as if it is a fact, you are never saying that in your OPINION it isn\'t fun. Learn what it is, then get back to us.
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Jesus man, I wrote it, journalism 1-0-fucking-1, no, I didn\'t write in my opinion, but that kind of shit is assumed by people with intelligence greater than that of the average twelve-year-old. I wrote it, it\'s my opinion. When I\'m speaking for you, I\'ll let you know. Is that clear, I can dumb it down for you if you\'d like. In my opinion, in my opinion, in my opinion, you may need it.
Next time I\'ll tell you all my shit at once, so if I you can properly rate my credibility because that shit means a lot to me because, man, you\'re some guy on a forum. I\'m pretty sure I was here last year during E3 and shared my experiences, I don\'t remember going through a criminal investigation then, but I probably didn\'t stomp on your precious Nintendo.
I\'ll tell you what, let\'s make a deal, I can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I went to E3, played the Wii and didn\'t wait in a single line. I can prove this so no one could refute it. We\'ll bet $500 on it. I\'d like a new video card. Agree to this and I\'ll put your infantile mind to rest, if you don\'t, then STFU and either quietly believe that I\'m a liar or that maybe, just maybe that the games industry actually needs to employ people. Because I\'d prefer to argue about games not this bullshit.
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My spaghetti is lukewarm
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Well then go use the microwave.....
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I used the oven.
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Ahh. A wise choice.
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Jesus man, I wrote it, journalism 1-0-fucking-1, no, I didn\'t write in my opinion, but that kind of shit is assumed by people with intelligence greater than that of the average twelve-year-old. I wrote it, it\'s my opinion. When I\'m speaking for you, I\'ll let you know. Is that clear, I can dumb it down for you if you\'d like. In my opinion, in my opinion, in my opinion, you may need it.
Next time I\'ll tell you all my shit at once, so if I you can properly rate my credibility because that shit means a lot to me because, man, you\'re some guy on a forum. I\'m pretty sure I was here last year during E3 and shared my experiences, I don\'t remember going through a criminal investigation then, but I probably didn\'t stomp on your precious Nintendo.
I\'ll tell you what, let\'s make a deal, I can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I went to E3, played the Wii and didn\'t wait in a single line. I can prove this so no one could refute it. We\'ll bet $500 on it. I\'d like a new video card. Agree to this and I\'ll put your infantile mind to rest, if you don\'t, then STFU and either quietly believe that I\'m a liar or that maybe, just maybe that the games industry actually needs to employ people. Because I\'d prefer to argue about games not this bullshit.
Even if you proved that - it still doesn\'t mean a damn thing, becuase you have done nothing but stated that the public won\'t care about Wii, it\'s not fun, list goes on and on. You\'re stating your opinion, but trying to pass it off as a fact. It\'s something real simple, but to hard for you to grasp, go figure.
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Lets discuss about games please? :p
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Yes, it\'s my opinion that the public won\'t care about it. So wtf is your problem? It\'s clear that your opinion is that the Wii will rule the world and will solve world hunger. I don\'t crucify you for that. This is a message board, I\'m pretty sure this is where my opinion goes. By that truly fucked up logic, every sentence on this form not prefaced with IMO, if a statement of fact.
In Blu-Ray\'s case, it\'ll be used for more CGI cut scenes and most importantly, it\'ll be used as a trojan horse for Sony in the HD battle, nothing more.
omg, everyone check it out, LiC has got a time machine, because this is fact. I can tell this by the structure of his sentence and because he likes Nintendo--it is these two properties that make time travel possible as outlined by Steven Hawking\'s seminal, "A Brief History of Time".
You\'re a clown.
Lets discuss about games please?
Yes, can we, LiC, please?
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Yes, it\'s my opinion that the public won\'t care about it. So wtf is your problem? It\'s clear that your opinion is that the Wii will rule the world and will solve world hunger. I don\'t crucify you for that. This is a message board, I\'m pretty sure this is where my opinion goes. By that truly fucked up logic, every sentence on this form not prefaced with IMO, if a statement of fact.
Uh? I never said it ruled the world. I never said everyone would find it fun. You\'re the one runnnin\' around trollin\' and trying to pass the "WII IS NOT FUN" off as a fact.
We\'d get back to games, but you keep spammin\'.
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