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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Unicron! on May 12, 2006, 06:38:34 PM
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I ve been thinking lately about the controller and I am wandering if it indeed was a good idea..
I get the impression that most developers wont use the controller well and some genres won\'t work with it efficiently.
For example I love games like Viewtiful Joe, good third person action games, strategic RPG battle systems etc.
But how well will the controller work to offer me a variety of different gaming experiences in each genre which is something I got with the standard controller?
Viewtiful Joe\'s speed and combos seem impossible with the Wii controller. You cant be as fast, you cant do a series of super combos, you cant force the wii controller to act in slow motion, and a scrolling action game doesnt seem to fit with a controller that is handled like you are playing something from a third person experience.
Generally most third person games will find a hard time with it I think. Some things your character could do with normal controls might be sacrificed or not work well with the Wii controller. So I think one side of the coin says the controller gives freedom to try new ideas but the other side says it could also be restrictive in other things
Add the fact that physics, graphics and AI will be near current gen quality and I wonder if the experience will be as convinving and entertaining.
What are your thoughts?
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gimmick:
n.
To add gimmicks to; clutter with gadgets or attention-getting details.
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The problem with you mm is that you dont elaborate on your thoughts. You post one line comments that could mean many things when I am sure you ve got more in you mind that are directed to one thing. Its just that you are bored to express your opinions in detail often giving the impression that you are just complaining. :p
Am I right? hehe
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it took you 6 years to catch on?
tsk tsk
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mm is a cynical old bastard. Thats why we love him.
As for the controller, despite its potential, I have this sinking feeling that although some developers will be able to put out some new and innovative titles most will fall into the *sigh* gimmick category. I really REALLY hate agreeing with mm.
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it took you 6 years to catch on?
tsk tsk
Hey I need confirmation each time. I dont know when you use a one liner just to complain and when you use a one liner because you are bored to go into detail :p
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It will be like every other Nintendo console - perfect for first party titles and lacking in other titles. If you don\'t have a problem with that (me), then it\'s great. If you want strong third party support, go elsewhere.
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I don\'t think mm has been right about anything console related in the entire time I have been on this site.
Just saying.
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I used to think the DS second touch screen was just a total gimmick. Took them nearly a year for that to change.
I\'ll give them the benefit of a doubt this time.
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I used to think the DS second touch screen was just a total gimmick. Took them nearly a year for that to change.
I\'ll give them the benefit of a doubt this time.
True. But the difference between Wii and DS is that the DS retained the original playbility and then advanced it with the second touch screen. This is important because it didnt sacrifice anything. It only improved
Also hardware(AI physics) differences between PSP and DS are less eminent to gameplay. Almost nonexistent if not totally.
Apart from the price, PS3 might represent more the DS than Wii does plus a PSP with its extra functions. DualShock3 has the original controlling layout plus tilling. Wii might represent a stripped down DS with only one touch screen and as the only way to control a game.
Wii\'s controller is trying to change gaming completely and start from zero. Its trying to compete with 360 and PS3 which will have an advanced AI and physics while Wii will remain almost static in these aspects.
I dont know if Nintendo\'s controller will make the experience more engaging than what AI and physics will do for the PS3 and 360.
Wii is a bigger challenge for Nintendo I think.
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Maybe you forgot the nunchuk with the analogue stick ?
Also, since the console is so cheap, price won\'t be an obstacle
to get an extra Wii dual stick controlpad.
Slowmotion move ? Just assign a button as slowmotion and every
move you make is in slowmo - tap the button again and you\'re back at
regular speed.
3rd person games ? Movement with the nunchuk analogue stick jump/duck with
restriction on X & Z axis.
Besides, going by gamers\' reactions in PAL regions ; the Wii will be a complete succes.
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No I didnt forget the nunchuk.
Isnt the wii dual stick controlpad mainly for the virtual console games? It wont change anything for Wii specific games.
What I was trying to say with Slowmotion is that that even if you slomotion everything else on screen you cant force your own movement to slowdown. It will feel as if there is lag between your motion and the game.
3rd person games: That means I should have the controller in a certain horizontal position at almost all times. That suggestion also reduces emphasis on the motion sensing. It only replaces jump and duck, which could have been just two buttons with pressure points. Makes the controller sound more like a gimmick.
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I suggest you watch the Red Steel gameplay footage : at one point the player is opposed to a handfull of baddies - the game goes into slowmo (wether scripted or player triggered) - the player locks in on is targets in realtime normal speed.
3rd person games : like i said ; any movement could have the movement of specified axis locked. For example, the game could regulate movement only to be influential on the vertical Y axis.
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I suggest you watch the Red Steel gameplay footage : at one point the player is opposed to a handfull of baddies - the game goes into slowmo (wether scripted or player triggered) - the player locks in on is targets in realtime normal speed.
But thats what I am saying. In Viewtiful Joe the character is also slow motioned. And he is slowmotioned too deliberately because puting everything in slowmotion isnt there just to make you more destructive. Its there to change a tactic that still needs skill thats why Viewtiful is slowmotioned too.
In Red Steel the main character is never slowmotioned because it would give a feeling of lag between input and character. It can only serve as an extra effect or to make you more destructive.
3rd person games : like i said ; any movement could have the movement of specified axis locked. For example, the game could regulate movement only to be influential on the vertical Y axis.
Wouldnt this restrtict the motion sensing controller even more? :confused:
Also isnt the motion sensing best suited for 3rd person games were the camera remains at the back of the character? I dont know how a game like DMC where the camera is set independedly and uses a gameplay mechanic that has 3D controls with 2D style combos will work with Wii as efficiently as a standard controller.
Also I believe your idea makes the wii controller look more like....Dual Shock3\'s tilt feature
I feel that the Wii controller might be restrictive for many traditional styles than expand them.
I know I could be prooven wrong at the end but these thoughts are bugging me
Btw Blade: If I use this controller with RS wouldnt it be kind of confusing and funny holding the controller with two hands trying to move my character and slash with my Katana/shoot at the same time? :p
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It\'ll be interesting to see the ratio of games that use the wand and the ones that use the more classic controller.
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Btw I ve been doing some reading on more impresssions on Wii. I think I could be more pessimistic than I should be. Sonic Wild Fire for example really picked out my interest :)
The impressions they got at IGN are pretty good. Actually they sounded more excited with the Wii version than the PS3/360 versions. The game feels a lot like the 2D sonic with "on-rail" courses that give the sense of speed you got on the 16bit games according to them despite that its 3D. Its also simple and fun!
I think this will be the game I ll wait with most anticipation on Wii. Other games sound promising too.
Here comes the excitement again :)
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I still fail to see the Wii controllers advantages. Looks more like a complete pain in the ass to use IMO.
Sure it will have a few games that really take advantage of it, but he majority of games will scream for a more conventional controller design.
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If we grew up with this controller, we would say buttons were gimmicks.
Oh look, we\'ve simplified controls and all you have to do now is press a button!
This is a new way to play, and so far the impressions are favorable. Wait until you\'ve tried it. It may work, it may not.
At least it opens the road to creativity.
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That means I should have the controller in a certain horizontal position at almost all times. That suggestion also reduces emphasis on the motion sensing. It only replaces jump and duck, which could have been just two buttons with pressure points. Makes the controller sound more like a gimmick.
Even in this particular example, the controller could be used to jump, duck, lean, evade and interact with objects in the environment. You could even use it to perform melee attacks with the butt of your gun.
You need to open your mind. This offers new possibilities and just like the developers, you need to envision its uses. Don\'t box in your thinking.
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not a chance
it\'s gonna tank
here\'s a new way to get around town
it\'s revolutionary
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Even in this particular example, the controller could be used to jump, duck, lean, evade and interact with objects in the environment. You could even use it to perform melee attacks with the butt of your gun.
You need to open your mind. This offers new possibilities and just like the developers, you need to envision its uses. Don\'t box in your thinking.
Sounds more like a FPS dont you thing?
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Like Reggie said ; You need to feel it instead of just seeing it (in this case, reading about it).
Final judgement can only be made when you\'ve played it. I\'m sure Nintendo
has thought about every scenario before this thread even existed.
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Anyway, if worst comes to worst, the nunchaku/remote combo is a stripped down GCN/Xbox/PS2 controller.
It\'s not like they completely removed all traditional aspects...
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have they stated whether or not any games or aspects of games will ONLY be controllable with the nunchaku/remote combo?
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We get it, you don\'t want one.
Don\'t worry. I\'ll buy two.
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oh, i want one ONLY if i\'m not locked into using the hokey controller on 1st party games.
you can bet on lack of 3rd party support.
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Then you won\'t be getting one.
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Like Reggie said ; You need to feel it instead of just seeing it (in this case, reading about it).
Final judgement can only be made when you\'ve played it. I\'m sure Nintendo
has thought about every scenario before this thread even existed.
I agree. But whether Nintendo has thought well about every scenario they will also know when they release the console
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People want something different - that is why they play Dance Dance games (Dance Dance Mario Mix rocks!) and Guitar Hero (rocks!). It\'s time for a change. I for one embrace the change.
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DDR is something different?
floor mat games were around in the 80\'s bub, sorry you missed them
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DDR is something different?
floor mat games were around in the 80\'s bub, sorry you missed them
They\'re different for the mainstream.
They\'re fun now - that\'s the big difference.
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ooooh, now there\'s a difference
they were fun back then ><
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ooooh, now there\'s a difference
they were fun back then ><
...Yeah, the activator was a blast........
:thumb:
So was the TeeVGolf.