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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Eiksirf on May 19, 2006, 09:16:40 AM
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I like that they\'re attacking Sony, but I don\'t like the last line, and I don\'t like that he puts Sony\'s controller up as a copy of the Wii remote, when it is in fact, vastly inferior (regarding the motion sensitivity).
Nintendo UK Attacks Sony
5/19/2006, 10:54am Eastern Time
Nintendo fans let out a collective sigh of "What else is new?" (http://www.nintendojo.com/infocus/view_item.php?1147143000) when Sony showed their tilt sensitive PlayStation 3 controller. Nintendo has remained mostly quiet about the situation, until now.
Nintendo UK\'s David Yarnton said Sony is just doing what they always do. "I don’t know what their decision making process is," said Yarnton. "But I think if you look back, any innovation that has come in gameplay has come from us."
Yarnton attacked Sony\'s apparent change in attitude over motion sensitive controllers. He says Sony\'s Worldwide Studios president Phil Harrison had plenty of negative comments when Nintendo announced the Wii controller at the 2005 Tokyo Game Show. "I’d love to dig up some old Phil Harrison comments and say ‘hang on a second--six months ago when we launched our controller you said one thing, and now why are you doing this?\'"
Yarnton also said that regardless of the reasons Sony may give, the lack of rumble technology in the PS3 controller is because that technology didn\'t belong to Sony.
"Historically we’re always developing new things," said Yarnton. "We know Sony has had a lot of issues with their rumble feature and they’ve had to withdraw it--because they didn’t innovate, they copied. With Nintendo, I’m trying to think of anything we’ve copied...but I can’t."
(dm (http://www.nintendojo.com/staff/view_item.php?1129528483))
Nintendo needs to grow a set and take shots at these guys, so even though it\'s not the most sound logic, it\'s a start. This sort of mud-slinging is exactly how Sega and later Sony changed Nintendo\'s public perception (plus the MK1 thing).
-Dan
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Ugh.. Yarnton is full of it.
In an gamesindustry.biz interview he constantly denied a DS redesign. We all know what happened soon afterwards...
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Sony putting motion sensors on its controller (albeit inferior) is such a cheap gimmick.
And don\'t say the Wii controller is a gimmick, mm.
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nintendo was also reported as saying:
sticking with cartridges was a bad idea
then also a transcript from sega to nintendo surfaced
guys, we tried giving the console away for practially nothing, look where we are
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I think that guy is pissed and scared
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He\'s more just outspoken. Nintendo has "the company line" and more and more often, the guys in UK break it and say the weirdest shit.
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I think that guy is pissed and scared
Scared? Of what?
It\'s not even the same demographic audience.
He is just saying what people have been saying all along, Sony has ripped Nintendo off countless times. Now I\'m not here to make a big deal out of that, but come on, only the blind don\'t realize that Sony rips off what Nintendo does.
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so nintendo had dual analog sticks before sony?
i must have miss that console. was it before N64 or after?
vibrating controllers?
PC had them way before both parties
pray tell, what else did sony ripped off of nintendo exactly that never existed before anywhere?
honestly, the (insert name here) stole ideas from (insert name here) argument is lame.
last i checked, nintendo wasnt using carts anymore
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so nintendo had dual analog sticks before sony?
i must have miss that console. was it before N64 or after?
vibrating controllers?
PC had them way before both parties
pray tell, what else did sony ripped off of nintendo exactly that never existed before anywhere?
honestly, the (insert name here) stole ideas from (insert name here) argument is lame.
last i checked, nintendo wasnt using carts anymore
I don\'t see your problem with it. Sony has always copied other companies, that is just how they do it - is that a problem? No. I was just pointing out that Nintendo, as far as the console industry goes, has been the one who takes risks, which often don\'t pay off - but still, they set the way and other companies, like Sony follow.
Nintendo started the analog movement - Sony simply one upped with the dual stick.
Nintendo done a rumble pack - Sony just added shock to the dual stick.
Nintendo makes tilt cartridges then a motion sensative controller, Sony goes back to drawing board and makes a tilt controller.
Does it matter? No.
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nintendo invented the tilt controller?
started the analog movement?
try this on for size.....:rolleyes:
or should i bring out the megarolleyes one?
just let me know
ask sega about "risks" sometime
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nintendo invented the tilt controller?
started the analog movement?
try this on for size.....:rolleyes:
or should i bring out the megarolleyes one?
just let me know
ask sega about "risks" sometime
Did I say "invented"? No.
I said .........
"I was just pointing out that Nintendo, as far as the console industry goes, has been the one who takes risks, which often don\'t pay off - but still, they set the way and other companies, like Sony follow."
Nowhere did I say invented. I know you can read, so why even make things up like that? I never said "invented".
As for "ask sega about "Risks" sometime...
What do you suggest? No company take risks and we all just play countless sequels with no innovation over and over? I\'m all for sequels and original franchises, but I need a new take on them. I can\'t stomach another generic FPS game or fighting game.
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but controlling a fat plumber in a "different" way is ok?
sure, run with that
and started = invented
don\'t have to argue semantics with me
i don\'t see you naming any other companies, just nintendo makes, and sony copies
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Started does not mean invented.
STARTED means they brought analog movement into the console market. Nowhere does that say they invented analog. You are reading what you want to read.
I only mention Sony because they are the most obvious ones who are doin\' this \'one up\' nonsense. Would you like me to mention Sega? I can, I mean they did do an analog stick and rumble pack for the Dreamcast.
And yes, yes controlling a "fat plumber" in a different way is okay - at least it\'s different.
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i think it\'s safe to say that all companies copy or improvise on each others ideas...just look at the car industry,..i think chrysler was the first car co. to invent the caravan,..since then ford, chevy, nissan, and countless others have spawned their own versions of mini-vans...same is true in the video game industry...
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what\'s next then? a VR helmet?
virtual boy was "different" also right?
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Virtual Boy wasn\'t half bad, just no way to market that kind of equipment, sadly.
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and the wii remote has a market?
aside from a bunch of adults on internet forums telling themselves "it might be cool"?
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Cheap = Appeal to middle class America.
Hardcore NIntendo fans = Sales
Franchises = Sales
Under 13 crowd = Sales
Yeah, it has a market.
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Yeah, Wii is looking better and better, if the rumoured price is right.
However, Yarnton, representing Nintendo UK, does as much mudslinging
as the old Yamauchi did or any other \'CEO\'.
Does that validate or condone his rant more ? No.
Virtual Boy didn\'t flop because of poor marketing ; it induced nausea and
headaches to people. It was a hazard device. The product was a risk yeah, and this risk went wrong.
3DO, Sega and Atari (and even Philips CD-i) \'innovated\' by going cd-rom based consoles. However, their timing sucked. Developers and processor technology weren\'t ready at that time to take advantage of the cd-rom media to create richer games with it. They were merely \'extensions\' of the 16 bit games.
The came Sony who flocked and encouraged developers to create games which took advantage of cdrom format ; FF games with FMV and more ingame room for more textures & audio. Philips CD-i flopped because too many of those games tried to \'innovate\' by having alot of live action footage in it. Of course, they learnt it the hard way that that was not the way games were to evolve.
It was Nintendo who played it partially conservative sticking to their \'succesful\' cartridges. Yeah, real smart move :thumb:
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Virtual Boy flopped due to not being portable and poor marketing.
The argument about cd format..
The 3DO flopped due to price tag and lack of anything beyond FMV games. I know, I own one. A $700 dollar price tag and lack of good games, it\'ll kill any system.
The Jaguar CD flopped due to being an ADD-ON to an already existing console, not only that, but a console that was in piss-poor shape.. I know, I own one.
The SEGA CD, was nothing more than an add-on, the first of two. As for the Saturn, it flopped due to a price tag and a botched launch...I know, I own both.
Nintendo played it "partially conserative" due to their anti-piracy views, something they stuck by when they moved to the Cube format.
Oh and the CD-I, yeah it just sucked...
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N64 was piracy free?
game cube too?
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N64 was piracy free?
game cube too?
Did I say it was? No.
But we all know that the reason for the cartridge and properitary Cube format was based on curving piracy. Was those two systems as pirated as say the Xbox? No.... Both formats made it more difficult to pirate . Sega tried the same with the GD-ROm, but well, we know how that worked.
I really wish you\'d quit trying to put words into my mouth when it is obvious what I said. I never said they was piracy free.
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you made it sound like the cartidge so piracy free, hence nintendo\'s reason
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you made it sound like the cartidge so piracy free, hence nintendo\'s reason
No I didn\'t. I stated the reason they went with the cartridge format. I never made it out more than that. Quit adding things that are not there.
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Virtual Boy flopped due to not being portable and poor marketing.
The argument about cd format..
The 3DO flopped due to price tag and lack of anything beyond FMV games. I know, I own one. A $700 dollar price tag and lack of good games, it\'ll kill any system.
The Jaguar CD flopped due to being an ADD-ON to an already existing console, not only that, but a console that was in piss-poor shape.. I know, I own one.
The SEGA CD, was nothing more than an add-on, the first of two. As for the Saturn, it flopped due to a price tag and a botched launch...I know, I own both.
Nintendo played it "partially conserative" due to their anti-piracy views, something they stuck by when they moved to the Cube format.
Oh and the CD-I, yeah it just sucked...
Wow, you don\'t seem to choose your consoles wisely. You are a jinx with consoles :p
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Wow, you don\'t seem to choose your consoles wisely. You are a jinx with consoles :p
... No, I just buy almost anything on the market, or I use to at least.
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Judging by your past words on this forum I think it\'s just bad taste
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Judging by your past words on this forum I think it\'s just bad taste
Get back to us when you have an argument, beyond "I lick Sony\'s nutsack, Sony rocks".
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Virtual Boy induced headaches and nausea. Bad product. PERIOD.
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About the Atari Jaguar and Mega CD add on..
Ow boy .... Sega\'s add on\'s like the Mega CD and 32X are the things which pissed off , once Sega fans like me and many others.
The Atari Jaguar ? Even though the market has changed and one cannot make a direct comparison... buying a PS3 is ALOT wiser choice.
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About the Atari Jaguar and Mega CD add on..
Ow boy .... Sega\'s add on\'s like the Mega CD and 32X are the things which pissed off , once Sega fans like me and many others.
The Atari Jaguar ? Even though the market has changed and one cannot make a direct comparison... buying a PS3 is ALOT wiser choice.
You can\'t even compare the two. Different market completely - it\'s insane to even compare them. The Jaguar was doomed from Atari\'s piss-poor effort. There was no direction with that system, it was just a cheap attempt to get back into the market.
As for the SEGA add-on comment, preaching to the choir. I owned both the 32X and the Sega CD. The Sega CD actually wasn\'t that bad, overlooked, I think. The 32X on the other hand was a diaster.
Oh and do you own a Virtual Boy? It may of caused headaches for some people, but it actually had some fun games. I never claimed it to be a brilliant product, I simply stated that lack of marketing or lack of way to market that item killed it before it ever actually had a chance.
Oh and two more things.
1: Since when did buying a certain console become a wise choice? You make it sound like it will be a life altering experience. It\'s a piece of plastic and electronics. Let\'s not make it out to be more than that.
2: If you can\'t make a direct comparison, which you admit, can\'t be done ..Then why even bring it up?
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You can\'t even compare the two. Different market completely - it\'s insane to even compare them. The Jaguar was doomed from Atari\'s piss-poor effort. There was no direction with that system, it was just a cheap attempt to get back into the market.
As for the SEGA add-on comment, preaching to the choir. I owned both the 32X and the Sega CD. The Sega CD actually wasn\'t that bad, overlooked, I think. The 32X on the other hand was a diaster.
Oh and do you own a Virtual Boy? It may of caused headaches for some people, but it actually had some fun games. I never claimed it to be a brilliant product, I simply stated that lack of marketing or lack of way to market that item killed it before it ever actually had a chance.
Oh and two more things.
1: Since when did buying a certain console become a wise choice? You make it sound like it will be a life altering experience. It\'s a piece of plastic and electronics. Let\'s not make it out to be more than that.
2: If you can\'t make a direct comparison, which you admit, can\'t be done ..Then why even bring it up?
Atari\'s Jaguar might have had a chance if the thing hadn\'t cost THAT much more than the SNES and Megadrive of that time and if the controller wasn\'t so stupendous.
Virtual Boy ; ah.. well, there seems to have been (medical) investigation into the effect it caused to alot of ppl. I suggest googling it becuz i remember some articles on it how it induced headaches / nausea.
At the time, i had a Megadrive, but the market was slowly getting into a slump and i really did thoroughly investigate the benefits of Sega\'s new addon\'s like the Mega CD drive and the 32X. After seeing the games for those add on\'s and reading the reviews, it was a wise choice afterall to NOT spend my highschool cash on them.
About \'wise choices\' ; this is our hobby after all. It costs time & money. I didn\'t mean it that deep, but within those boundaries of hobbyism there are wise and less wise choices to be made. I am glad the choices i made were a good thing for me ; not buying 3D0, Mega CD & 32X ,amongst gaming choices.
Anyway, i see so much PS3 bashing and added to that the online ranting about pricepoint ; yes , there are certain similarities to draw to Jaguar, since that one also promised new levels of gaming at a steep price.
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Anyway, i see so much PS3 bashing and added to that the online ranting about pricepoint ; yes , there are certain similarities to draw to Jaguar, since that one also promised new levels of gaming at a steep price.
But when the effort is there thats not a similarity anymore. Attari promised but offered almost only 2D 16-bit games. The price was inexcusable. The consumer couldnt get the utility refelcted from the price because it wasnt there.
PS3 is expensive but the games, support, performance and franchises are there plus some other features. The price has increased into such an extend due to its effort to offer too much that people want one but cant get one.
Personally I see no similarity except from the "title put on the cover"
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The Atari Jaguar was introduced by Atari as a 64bit console even before N64.
It did feature some 3D games on it but it wasn\'t any substantial improvement upon games like StarFox, or Sega\'s Virtua games.
At the moment Sony is indeed saying in interviews that the gaming PS3 gaming experience is well worth the money ; while a substantial part of consumer base is somewhat sceptic.
I\'d say there are some similarities to the situations.
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I see no proof that GAMING wise the PS3 is worth that money. Most people are goin\' on about Blu-Ray and how it\'s cheap for a Blu-Ray player - but what if the gamer doesn\'t want that? I don\'t care about Blu-Ray, I want a console and by them adding and charging out the ass all due to Blu-Ray and things I have no intention of ever using, the console becomes over-priced. If you are wanting a Blu-Ray player and you\'re a Sony fan, then yes, maybe the price is reasonable to you, but to the average gamer or the gamer who isn\'t embarcing Blu-Ray, the console is over priced and hasn\'t proved anything.
Oh and Tempest 2000 rocked your boxers off.
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... No, I just buy almost anything on the market, or I use to at least.
how many gameboys (that are like 5% different) have you owned?
:rofl:
if it\'s not worth your money, you have no argument.
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how many gameboys (that are like 5% different) have you owned?
:rofl:
1 Gameboy.
1 Game boy color
2 Gameboy advances
1 Gameboy Advance SP
and soon 1 Gameboy DS lite
Point?
I also own a Sega Saturn (US) and Sega Saturn (JP)
I have also owned 3 Psone\'s, but only because the first two died.
I use to collect systems, but I now realize how pointless that is. They sit in the closet and never get played, so instead of blowing money on consoles I am not goin\' to play, I plan on buying systems based on games I do want to play.
if it\'s not worth your money, you have no argument.
Works both ways, if you think it is worth your money, you also have no argument.
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uhhhhhh...if it\'s worth my money, there certainly is no argument
:rofl: at 4 gameboys
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uhhhhhh...if it\'s worth my money, there certainly is no argument
:rofl: at 4 gameboys
The point was the whole not worth / worth argument is all based on opinion. It\'s the same as with the PSP, some say it was worth the price tag, even tho\', most can agree it lacks a solid library of games.
You can laugh at the four gameboys, I stated I use to collect systems. And as far as that goes..
Gameboy - Original, bought at Pawn Shop.
Gameboy Color - Bought at Pawn Shop.
Gameboy Advance - Bought launch day.
Gameboy Advance 2 - Has the TV Adapter Mod , was Cacpom\'s, but he gave it to me.
Gameboy SP - Better design overall, paid full price and don\'t regret it. The fiance uses it while I use the original Advance.
Gameboy Advance DS lite - Never bought the original DS, but will buy it now due to the outstanding library.
So, it\'s not like I paid full price for three of those Gameboys.
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The Atari Jaguar was introduced by Atari as a 64bit console even before N64.
It did feature some 3D games on it but it wasn\'t any substantial improvement upon games like StarFox, or Sega\'s Virtua games.
At the moment Sony is indeed saying in interviews that the gaming PS3 gaming experience is well worth the money ; while a substantial part of consumer base is somewhat sceptic.
I\'d say there are some similarities to the situations.
Yeah but in most cases Attari didnt even have a substantial improvement over mediocre Genesis or Snes games. Even at a cheap price it wasnt worth the money. It would have still flopped.
On the PS3 I saw too many impressive looking and promising titles that felt truelly next gen.
The PS3 doesnt offer less than a 360 (unlike Attari that almost anything it offered paled in comparisson to anything). Actually I see lots of great promising titltes. I dont need Sony to tell me that. And the list excites me more than 360\'s. Many of them were almost indistinguishable from CGI, and except from great graphics they had lots of physics and realism that I rarely see on a 360. Most of 360\'s exclusive top games will be released on PC\'s. I dont buy consoles to play PC games. I see more value on the PS3.
The substantial part of the consumer that is sceptic is a mix of people that: a)indeed wonder if its worth the money, b)of people that want it right now but cant get it and b) others that never planned to get one anyways and found the perfect chance to justify twice their initial their choice or to rant.
I ve been visiting various forums to see reactions of people from the gaming conference while I was watching it live.
After the boring GT4 footage people were very excited with the demonstrations. Most of them if not all of them (apart from a few fanboys) were very satisfied and impressed with what they have seen. Before the price many of them said they were going to get one most likely.
It wasnt until Sony announced the price that many of them lost their excitement.
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Many of them were almost indistinguishable from CGI
I won\'t kill you for your post, but that above quote proves one thing........You\'re blind... The PS3 looks good yes, but not that good.
;)
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I won\'t kill you for your post, but that above quote proves one thing........You\'re blind... The PS3 looks good yes, but not that good.
;)
Heavenly Sword, FF13(the real time parts) and MGS4 dont? :confused:
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Heavenly Sword, FF13(the real time parts) and MGS4 dont? :confused:
No, they don\'t.
Do they look good? Yes. That good? No.
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No, they don\'t.
Do they look good? Yes. That good? No.
Anyways it will be pointless to discuss whether they are near CGI quality or not. But even if thats the case they are good enough to pull my head more often. They were definetely more impressive.
So far apart from a few 360 games only Wi\'s and PS3\'s list pulled my interest.
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LIC, you keep saying ps3 shouldn\'t include blu ray, and you said that ps2 shouldn\'t include dvd drive, but did you realize how many games now uses the dvd format for ps2? Even sony said that all ps3 games will "only" be in blu ray formats to keep away the hackers, at least for a while because blu ray discs are expensive and much harder to hack.
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LIC, you keep saying ps3 shouldn\'t include blu ray, and you said that ps2 shouldn\'t include dvd drive, but did you realize how many games now uses the dvd format for ps2? Even sony said that all ps3 games will "only" be in blu ray formats to keep away the hackers, at least for a while because blu ray discs are expensive and much harder to hack.
I said it shouldn\'t have included DVD-PLAYBACK. Get the facts straight. The DVD playback was piss-poor, it was an after thought and people bought into it. Infact, it is what sold the PS2 in Japan.
And if they can\'t get the console down to a decent price, then fine, cut Blu-Ray. I have no problem with it being cut, but then again, that\'s because I have no intentions of buyin\' a Blu-Ray player and I have no interest in the format in general.
And as for the whole think of how many PS2 games use DVD\'s - yeah, now name how many actually use the full storage of the DVD format....... Just because it uses the DVD format doesn\'t mean it fills up the disc, the same will apply to Blu-Ray. We all know the only reason Blu-Ray is goin in the PS3 is because of the movie format war.
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About the Atari Jaguar and Mega CD add on..
Ow boy .... Sega\'s add on\'s like the Mega CD and 32X are the things which pissed off , once Sega fans like me and many others.
The Atari Jaguar ? Even though the market has changed and one cannot make a direct comparison... buying a PS3 is ALOT wiser choice.
Why would they piss you off? Its just that, and ADD-ON. You don\'t have to buy it if you don\'t want to. Its not like it made the Genesis any better or faster or anything. Don\'t want Sega CD? Don\'t buy it.
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Why would they piss you off? Its just that, and ADD-ON. You don\'t have to buy it if you don\'t want to. Its not like it made the Genesis any better or faster or anything. Don\'t want Sega CD? Don\'t buy it.
More true words never spoken.
Still, on his point, the 32X was *suppose* to be a cheap way to upgrade to the 32bit era, for those who could not afford the Sega Saturn. And on the other hand, I can also see who being upset that support was not there after spending the money on it.
I bought both. Am I upset? Nah. I actually got some enjoyment out of both, even though neither was ground breaking or worth their price tag.
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More true words never spoken.
Still, on his point, the 32X was *suppose* to be a cheap way to upgrade to the 32bit era, for those who could not afford the Sega Saturn. And on the other hand, I can also see who being upset that support was not there after spending the money on it.
I bought both. Am I upset? Nah. I actually got some enjoyment out of both, even though neither was ground breaking or worth their price tag.
How much were they? I remember my cousin had both and I had fun playign them but forgot the prices.
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Sega 32x - $150
Sega CD - Not sure, but I want to say around $400 ? I bought my Sega CD used. Wikipedia.com didn\'t have the North American price tag.
Sega Saturn - $400 (over-priced).
Also not sure about price of the Sega CDX , but I know it was the best looking system in along time.
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The DVD playback was piss-poor,
only like 1% of all PS2 owners feel this way, and it\'s usualy a last ditch effort at a moot argument
10\'s of millions bought it as a DVD player, no need to disagree
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I used it as a DVD player for quite some time before I moved onto something better.
Also not sure about price of the Sega CDX , but I know it was the best looking system in along time.
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Man, I totally forgot about that thing.
The SEGA Nomad was pretty cool. I just sold it on eBay recently. I kind of wish that I didn\'t. :/
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best looking console award has to go to (ignoring the controller)
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only like 1% of all PS2 owners feel this way, and it\'s usualy a last ditch effort at a moot argument
10\'s of millions bought it as a DVD player, no need to disagree
are you joking? There were better, cheaper DVD players by the time PS2 came out. You can pick up a $50 DVD player right now that outclasses PS2 by a long shot when it comes to DVD playback.
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best looking console award has to go to (ignoring the controller)
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Ah the good old memories. *sniff*
But I disagree. That was ugly :p
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You can pick up a $50 DVD player right now that outclasses PS2 by a long shot when it comes to DVD playback.
But that\'s now and not 6-7 years ago.
are you joking? There were better, cheaper DVD players by the time PS2 came out.
Yeah, but the point was that it was a game system/DVD player all in one package and that appealed to a lot of people.
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you didn\'t have to reply to his nonsense
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But that\'s now and not 6-7 years ago.
Yeah, but the point was that it was a game system/DVD player all in one package and that appealed to a lot of people.
You could in fact pick up a cheaper DVD player than a $300 ps2 back in 2000, and with better playback quality. I should know, I had two. If I remember correctly, one was around $150 and the other around $180. Oh, and those came with a remote and didn\'t require 2,000 kb of space on a seperately purchased memory card.
I don\'t know one person who bought a PS2 as a DVD player. I know those who used them as a dvd player, and why wouldn\'t they, but no one who said "cool, I\'m getting a dvd player AND a game console. teh neat!!"
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The Atari was ugly. Too flat. And who was the genius that made the games go in backwards so you couldn\'t see the picture?
-Dan
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Why would they piss you off? Its just that, and ADD-ON. You don\'t have to buy it if you don\'t want to. Its not like it made the Genesis any better or faster or anything. Don\'t want Sega CD? Don\'t buy it.
C\'mon, the 16bit consoles were past their peak (ok, maybe SNES kept some momentum a year longer) ; but Sega\'s Megadrive (Genesis for USA ppl) was in a serious slump.
Then Sega introduced Mega CD, hoping to bring back gaming quality into the Megadrive games library. At a high cost it didn\'t bring anything substantial and it flopped.
Then Sega decided to introduce Megadrive 2 ; basically the same hardware in another box. They even made a special Megadrive MegaCD 2 add on for it.
To add insult to injury they then introduced the 32X at the price of 1,5 Megadrive price. Did it get us true 32 bit gaming ? Hell no !
So, they pumped all these manufacturing and development costs into these devices while they neglected to use all that budget to make better games again to get the Megadrive library out of that deep slump.
So yes, as a Megadrive owner it was very sad to see it drag on for so long even though, fortunately, i did NOT buy those stupid expensive add ons. Their raison d\'etre should be to being able to play an improved games library ; which they did not deliver. It was game over for Sega, they dropped the ball ; Then N64 and PS1 took over and ran with it.
Keeping above mentioned in mind, there is ZERO, i repeat ZERO reason to bash PS3 so early.
PS3 is another situation ; a transition to next gen. Sega sat out their Megadrive slump until the \'next gen\' Saturn, while Sony\'s just making a transition from a succesfull gaming era to another.
Besides, Blu-Ray is NO add on. It is integral to PS3 just like the Cell technlogy is. Alot of people are sceptic, yes, because they think "seeing is believing" most of the time. They think on a real short term basis.
Why do you think Intel has multicore architecture similair to Cell tech on their future roadmaps ? Why do programmers like Tim Sweeney see such tech as the dominant force in the future ?
The evidence, the \'fruits\' of PS3\'s architecture - with Cell & Blu Ray as intergral ingredients - might not be extremely evident as of now ; but wait and see not too far off.
The only sure thing we can say is that 3D0, NeoGeo, Atari Jaguar, Sega 32X and Mega CD1 & 2 have a proven flop-track record. Bad choices from both producer\'s and consumer\'s side.
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You could in fact pick up a cheaper DVD player than a $300 ps2 back in 2000, and with better playback quality. I should know, I had two. If I remember correctly, one was around $150 and the other around $180. Oh, and those came with a remote and didn\'t require 2,000 kb of space on a seperately purchased memory card.
I don\'t know one person who bought a PS2 as a DVD player. I know those who used them as a dvd player, and why wouldn\'t they, but no one who said "cool, I\'m getting a dvd player AND a game console. teh neat!!"
I have no clue why people keep saying this. I bought it to use as a DVD player. A lot of people I know used it as a DVD player (meaning their ONLY DVD player). Just because you don\'t know anyone doesn\'t mean there aren\'t people that bought the PS2 for its DVD playback functionality. I got one for that very reason (teh neat) and it helped get my parents out of the VHS era.
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Point---> PS2 was not responsible for taking DVD to the mainstream consumers. Perhaps in Japan, but certainly not in the U.S., and I\'m not sure about the situation in Europe.
People do think PS2 made DVD\'s the next media format, and therefore think that blu-ray is slam dunk.
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...because it is
HD-DVD is hurting
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Is it a slam dunk for the next video format? Most likely. Does that mean the public will embrace it? No. It doin\' better than HD-DVD isn\'t sayin\' much, so I\'m not sure what the point is there.
No doubt the PS3 will help Blu-Ray, but I really don\'t see Blu-Ray becoming the big deal everyone has expected. The average American has already bought their favorite movie\'s and will not want to rebuy, espically if the movie is another $5 dollars higher on the Blu-Ray format. You can argue about HDTV and what not (which I\'d agree with), but it doesn\'t mean the average American will give a rat\'s ass about it.
Oh and the DVD playback was piss poor. Update drivers, disc read errors, the list goes on and on.
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it took like 5 years for DVD\'s to fairly catch on.
hell, look inside a blockbuster video sometime (no souly, i don\'t fucking work there), VHS still dominates
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...because it is
HD-DVD is hurting
it\'s sold out, and retailers can keep the shevles stocked with enough movies.
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it\'s sold out, and retailers can keep the shevles stocked with enough movies.
....
Eh?
All what? Five movie\'s are sold out?
Honestly, I need to see sells reports on this before I believe that. Almost no one even knows of the format.
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sold out of all 6 units they had as initial stock?
big whoop
reminds me of oooooh, divx maybe?
and who the fuck bought "phantom of the opera", honestly
:rofl:
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the initial stock of 1000 units sold out in Japan, and the initial stock of 6000 units sold out in the U.S. They have been selling out as they replenish.
There are to be 160 Hd-DVD titles available by this holiday. Couple that with the fact that HD-DVD players are half of what blu-ray players costs and will likely get cheaper by December...we\'ll see.
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Point---> PS2 was not responsible for taking DVD to the mainstream consumers. Perhaps in Japan, but certainly not in the U.S., and I\'m not sure about the situation in Europe.
People do think PS2 made DVD\'s the next media format, and therefore think that blu-ray is slam dunk.
People think PS2 made DVD the next format? Where did you get that impression I wonder?
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so roughly .000026% of americans own a HD-DVD player
smokin!
you have to be completely doubtful of your own product to bring only 6,000 units to the table
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so roughly .000026% of americans own a HD-DVD player
smokin!
you have to be completely doubtful of your own product to bring only 6,000 units to the table
it\'s all they could make. they\'re making them as fast as they can. I think they just wanted to release before blu-ray lands in June.
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People think PS2 made DVD the next format? Where did you get that impression I wonder?
ummm, from the misinformed Sonyphiles who say it.
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PS2 was not responsible for taking DVD to the mainstream consumers.
Probably not. But it certainly didn\'t hurt anything.
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definitely wasn\'t, and you\'re right about it not hurting anything.
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are you joking? There were better, cheaper DVD players by the time PS2 came out. You can pick up a $50 DVD player right now that outclasses PS2 by a long shot when it comes to DVD playback.
Yeah......now. Back when I got my PS2, we only had one DVD player in my house (besides the shitty one on the computer) and the thing looked like an old school betamax player or VCR. I thought the DVD playback at the time was pretty good and I used my PS2 as a DVD player all the time. Hell, I still do when I go camping in our trailer (because the DVD players in my house are still pretty hefty in size, 5 disks fit) and would use it in my apartment if me and my roomy don\'t have a DVD player by the time we move in. I\'ll admit it wasn\'t the greatest and had its share of quirks but it wasn\'t bad at all.
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ummm, from the misinformed Sonyphiles who say it.
And how many are these? They are almost non existent
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riku, the anti-sony bandwagon is full
you\'ll have to find another ride
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There\'s always room at the end of the mm bashing caravan!
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There\'s room at the end of mm bashing alright *wink wink nudge nudge* Oh the poor lonely guy :(
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i don\'t think the ps2 made dvd\'s mainstream, BUT when i was purchasing it i did say to myself,.."it\'s pretty hot that i\'m gettin a console and dvd player"...i just bought a stand alone player this year,..only because i was gettin tired of using that controller,..i needed a wireless remote,...and even tho was dvd player on ps2 certainly wasn\'t the greatest, i have no complaints from it at all,...worked fine for me...it did happen to skip on a couple of dvd\'s i threw in there, but once i cleaned the lens it played fine....
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i don\'t think the ps2 made dvd\'s mainstream, BUT when i was purchasing it i did say to myself,.."it\'s pretty hot that i\'m gettin a console and dvd player"...i just bought a stand alone player this year,..only because i was gettin tired of using that controller,..i needed a wireless remote,...and even tho was dvd player on ps2 certainly wasn\'t the greatest, i have no complaints from it at all,...worked fine for me...it did happen to skip on a couple of dvd\'s i threw in there, but once i cleaned the lens it played fine....
Clips, you know Sony sold a wireless remote for the PS2 for like 30 bucks, right? Might even be 20 now.
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Clips, you know Sony sold a wireless remote for the PS2 for like 30 bucks, right? Might even be 20 now.
i kinda sorta had an idea that they had one, but at the the time i really wasn\'t tryin to investigate it, i was in k-mart and just bought a cheapo dvd player for 40 bucks,...it plays incredibly well too...thx for the info tho...:fro:
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i kinda sorta had an idea that they had one, but at the the time i really wasn\'t tryin to investigate it, i was in k-mart and just bought a cheapo dvd player for 40 bucks,...it plays incredibly well too...thx for the info tho...:fro:
I actually can\'t beleive you never saw them when you went into a game store and picked up a game. I mean they\'re right there :p
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I think I have that thing somewhere. My PS2 was my primary DVD player for about a year after I moved out, and I was able to afford a top of the line standalone.
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I think I have that thing somewhere. My PS2 was my primary DVD player for about a year after I moved out, and I was able to afford a top of the line standalone.
Ditto to that. I only use the remote like once a year (when I use it as a DVD player when my family goes camping in our trailer). Other than that, we have DVD players on all the TVs that are frequently used (except mine, which when PS3 comes out, my PS2 will be on my tv in my bedroom). Then I\'ll get use out of my remote again :)
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I have a DVD player but now I use my 360 since it has a higher resolution output than the one I got. The only time lately I used the stand-alone was when I was downloading something from Xbox Live at the time.
I\'m all for consoles doubling as DVD players. It\'s just too bad that in this case it also doubles the cost of the machine.
-Dan
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I differ on Eik on this one, I want consoles to one thing. Master of one trade and not a jack of all.
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I guess it appeals to consumers though. I know I was all "wow, this is sweet. I can play games AND play movies and CDs (although I did that like twice when I was down the shore and didn\'t have a cd player in the trailer, lol. It works quite well if you ask me. Just not practical at all though)." I mean, I bought the console for games but it was cool having the accessories...atleast until I got stand alone and better players. PS3 would be sweet to have the blu-ray until they are affordable. Wouldn\'t use it for DVDs, cds or whatever else it has unless I\'m in a situation (like trailer camping) where I would need a jack-of-all trades thing.
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I think PS3 will be different than PS2 and PS1 in that aspect. PS3 is supposed to be used for various forms of entertainment and so Sony will offer the appropriate interface I believe unlike PS2 and PS1 which at the end were designed with games in mind mostly
Sony built the PS3 with games, music and video equally in mind.You might be able to handle video and music files on it than just pop a CD in it to listen to music. Also I am optimistic that the DVD and BR functionality will be better than PS2\'s offering better menus and more variety of choices.
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I disagree uni. Aside from the Blu-Ray movies, PS3 will be strictly and primarily for games. Just like PS2 with its DVD playback.
Sony has hyped its consoles as "computer entertainment systems" on every press release for the last few years. But that\'s hype. It\'s a game console.
-Dan
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Unless one can download media content free of charge to any USB device via PS3, it will be judged on gaming only.
Personally, I think Cell tech will eventually come through and really obliterate Xbox360 games in terms of physics and AI.
Alot of ppl only judge consoles based on early graphics comparisons. Yeah, most people are short term thinkers.
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I disagree uni. Aside from the Blu-Ray movies, PS3 will be strictly and primarily for games. Just like PS2 with its DVD playback.
Sony has hyped its consoles as "computer entertainment systems" on every press release for the last few years. But that\'s hype. It\'s a game console.
-Dan
PS1 was never hyped as a computer entertainment system, Sony only had some hopes for the PS2, and PS3 seems to have the effort to become one. HDD, mem stick and extended USB support(easier transfer of files from PC to console), WiFi support, downloadable content, PS3\'s standard OS is much more evolved, and unlike the PS2 Sony said a lot about managing music, video and image files on PS3 and showed some features at E3.
The effort that was absent on PS2 seems to be there for PS3
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. HDD, mem stick and extended USB support(easier transfer of files from PC to console), WiFi support, downloadable content,
You mean, a lot like the first generation Xbox, right?
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All that memory card and flash card and USB stick stuff is pretty useless so far.
HDD and WiFi? Sign me up.
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You mean, a lot like the first generation Xbox, right?
Not at all
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Yes you do.
Everyone complained about the Xbox being a PC and cried about it being used as a digital media center. What does Sony do? They do the same thing, release a high powered PC in a nutshell and now , well it\'s revolutionary.
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Uni, Sony is calling the PS3 the PlayStation 3 Computer Entertainment System which is exactly what it was called in any press release regarding the PS2 from Sony or otherwise: the PlayStation 2 Computer Entertainment System.
PS3 is for games and it plays movies. Anything else basically treats the PS3 as a harddrive and its so useless considering that stuff is all designed to work with the computers we have instead.
I know this because I have a PSP and X360 and I can use USB gizmos and flash cards and its pointless. There\'s no point. It\'s not a computer.
If you want a computer, at least Wii comes with Opera internet browser bundled in. That might realistically be the closest a console will come this generation to being a computer.
-Dan
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As I said the difference between PS2 and PS3 is that on the PS2 the effort was not there.
Also if you remember well it was also a way to avoid extra taxes in Europe
Yes you do.
Everyone complained about the Xbox being a PC and cried about it being used as a digital media center. What does Sony do? They do the same thing, release a high powered PC in a nutshell and now , well it\'s revolutionary.
Nobody called it revolutionary mind. I dont know where did you get the idea
You give too much attention on one "tree" and you avoid the whole "forest"
Evereyone complained that XBOX was a PC because it was exactly a PC hardware in a box and most games were PC games. Most extra functions you got them by hacking and modding which you handled on a PC and then ported them on XBOX.
Sony isnt trying to replace a PC(not that MS tried). They are trying to make PS3 a product that can be used easily for various forms of entertainment. PSP isnt a PC just because you can use video, image and mp3 files. If games are still the priority thats not the real matter. Games will still be the priority as with the PSP.
The real matter is if other forms of entertainment become important or remain completely unimportant and omited.
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They are making a jack of all trades and charging out the ass for it. It could be a lot of cheaper if they cut down on a lot of the useless stuff that isn\'t goin to really enhance gaming.
I just don\'t see this need for a gaming console that does more than gaming.
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They are making a jack of all trades and charging out the ass for it. It could be a lot of cheaper if they cut down on a lot of the useless stuff that isn\'t goin to really enhance gaming.
I just don\'t see this need for a gaming console that does more than gaming.
i kinda agree here...i applaud sony in a sense for trying to be different and offer more, but at the end of the day they would save so much more money if they just concentrated on making these consoles stricktly for games...on another note i seen this at one of gamespots forums...
May 24, 2006, 8:59 am
yes, bluray means better quality, more capacity, more efficiency , more security , more anti-scratch protection.
Premium x360:
No WiFi No HDMI
No 1080p No Motion Sensors
No Connectivity with a Portable Gaming Device No Internet Browser
No User friendly OS No 60gb HDD (not even 30gb)
No Blu-ray No Hd-dvd
No MemoryStick slots No SD cards slots
No Compact Flash slots No Free online play
Thats what you get when you buy the cheap stuff...
i guess this is what xbox 360 is not offering...
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They are making a jack of all trades and charging out the ass for it. It could be a lot of cheaper if they cut down on a lot of the useless stuff that isn\'t goin to really enhance gaming.
I just don\'t see this need for a gaming console that does more than gaming.
Eh, if you want just a console, Nintendo is going that route and seem to be doing a good job.
Last generation, it seemed just for consoles and DVD playback. However, this generation, all the consoles are doing their own thing.
MS: They attempted to do more but cut everything out and seemed a bit unprepared for the launch or future proofing. They seemed to have failed thus far and don\'t feel like getting into it. Their biggest fans are people who like Halo (which I think was over rated anyway. I played it and saw nothing special).
Sony: Making a console with a lot of stuff they really don\'t need. A lot of the features and "gimmicks" are cool and I\'m really looking forward to trying them out. Won\'t need half of them but they are fun if I\'m bored. They also seem to be more in the line of full out entertainment with blu-ray capabilities and such and trying to make a very advanced system. Their biggest customers will be long fans of Sony (like myself) and enthusiasts of technology.
Nintendo: They are just doing what htey do best, build a console. They are trying new things even though it is still kinda old technology but radically improved. They are sticking to gaming roots and making only a console with no special features or emphasis on graphics. This attitude will make them fair well. Also, by sticking to their roots, they have a cheap console which parents will want to buy for their young ones. Parents who don\'t know shit about anything will see the price tag and see no difference in the consoles. However, because of their reputation, I think I may wait a while but pick one up eventually....after my wallet recovers from PS3...and when I have time.
EDIT: THESE ARE MY OBSERVATIONS. Now leave me the fuck alone about it.
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Wow, what poor generalization in that last post.
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I just don\'t see this need for a gaming console that does more than gaming.
I do and I look forward to it.
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Premium x360:
No WiFi No HDMI
No 1080p No Motion Sensors
No Connectivity with a Portable Gaming Device No Internet Browser
No User friendly OS No 60gb HDD (not even 30gb)
No Blu-ray No Hd-dvd
No MemoryStick slots No SD cards slots
No Compact Flash slots No Free online play
Yeah, but so what. It plays some cool games and has a kick ass online feature. And it\'s not "the cheap one." It\'s overpriced, too, although you forget that in the face of the staggering PS3 pricetag.
Oh, and it does have free online play. Weekend service is free.
-Dan
/opinion
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^^^well what i was really tryin\' to show is why the ps3 is so expensive,...when i first seen that chart, it just showed what the 360 doesn\'t have,...i actually forgot how much the 360 costs...:confused:..
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The PS3 tilt sensor is GameBoy Color technology, hardly expensive. The cost of the PS3 boils down to three things - harddrive, cell, blu ray. That jacks it up and even at $600, Sony sells at a loss.
This is without even taking into account millions for R&D, marketing, etc. (I think.)
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tilt sensor technology didn\'t exist before gameboy color?
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Look it up. You tell me.
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwill.thimbleby.net%2Fphysics%2Fmarblelabyrinth.png&hash=8c8f3d39f4495359791c7ac7affaf6224605fac7)
-Dan
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approved
+5 points
:)
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Has anybody read the latest EGM?
Apparently Nintendo had the gyroscopic technology for a few years, and didn\'t think to use it until 2005 when somebody in their R&D suggested a one-handed controller. Then Miyamoto suggested an extension for the nunchaku and other add-ons. The rest is history.
I thought it was simmering a little longer than this.
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Yeah they were fiddling with all kinds of controller concepts and I guess it just snowballed.
I wonder how Sony R&D goes? ;]
-Dan
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there\'s probably a sign on the wall
"if it isn\'t broken, don\'t fix it"
it\'s next to the one that says
"sales = king. ©mm 1996"
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How about a sign that says "Booooooring."
Aside from the rare title, that\'s my sentiments regarding Xbox, PS2, Xbox 360 and PS3. And Gamecube, now that I think about it.
DS & Wii for the win.
-Dan
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What he said. Seriously, I\'m loving my DS so much that I\'m trying to sell my PSP now.
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What he said. Seriously, I\'m loving my DS so much that I\'m trying to sell my PSP now.
How much? ;)
I\'m with the two above me. I\'m enjoyin\' old school gameplay on my DS and look forward to old school meets new for the Wii.
I should of waited for the DS lite, but decided against it. Just went ahead and got myself a DS yesterday. I\'m enjoyin\' Super Mario Bros. and the fiance is playin\' Animal Crossing - Wild World.
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LiC: PM me if you really want it. It\'ll be in a package, give or take $100 less than I paid for it. :)
If you don\'t really want it, go play your DS you fag!
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How about a sign that says "Booooooring."
Aside from the rare title, that\'s my sentiments regarding Xbox, PS2, Xbox 360 and PS3. And Gamecube, now that I think about it.
DS & Wii for the win.
-Dan
I don\'t know what to say about people who buy every console on the market only to go complain about them on a message board.
The DS and Wii won\'t entertain you anymore than the PS3 and me. It\'s called personal taste. Don\'t try and take that away from me
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I don\'t know what to say about people who buy every console on the market only to go complain about them on a message board.
The DS and Wii won\'t entertain you anymore than the PS3 and me. It\'s called personal taste. Don\'t try and take that away from me
agrees
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I don\'t know what to say about people who buy every console on the market only to go complain about them on a message board.
The DS and Wii won\'t entertain you anymore than the PS3 and me. It\'s called personal taste. Don\'t try and take that away from me
Minus the fact no one "tried to take that away" from you. We\'re discussing something, how does that hurt you? It doesn\'t. Get over it.
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Damn it, stop stealing the way I feel!
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Wow, what poor generalization in that last post.
They weren\'t generalizations, they were observations. Get it right.
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throw another synonym at me
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You need to go back to school champ
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and then bow down to a true pimp bitch
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oh boy a general statement gained by inference from specific sources is definitely not the same as an observation
good job, go get your GED or something
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The DS and Wii won\'t entertain you anymore than the PS3 and me. It\'s called personal taste. Don\'t try and take that away from me
You\'re right, I\'m sorry.
You can have it back.
-Dan
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oh boy a general statement gained by inference from specific sources is definitely not the same as an observation
good job, go get your GED or something
24 going on 12
Maybe someday you\'ll understand
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oh boy a general statement gained by inference from specific sources is definitely not the same as an observation
good job, go get your GED or something
I was just stating what I observed. It wasn\'t a generalization. How hard is it to comprehend that. I have no sources but what I have been noticing these companies are doing.