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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: fastson on May 23, 2006, 05:14:27 AM
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Good news for future owners of the $499 PS3. :thumb:
http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/22/studios-wont-downgrade-hd-video-for-now/
If you\'ve been holding off on ordering (or pre-ordering) an HD DVD or Blu-ray player because you\'re worried about Hollywood studios potentially using the Image Constraint Token to downgrade video quality displayed via analog outputs, you can cross that concern off of your list -- at least for the next four years. Though there\'s no official word, the major studios have apparently cut a backroom deal to keep their HD discs ICT-free until at least 2010. The move would allow owners of analog HD sets -- not to mention gamers who pick up Microsoft\'s Xbox 360 HD DVD drive or Sony\'s non-HDMI junior Playstation 3 -- to watch their discs in full HD format, rather than being forced to endure downgrades to 540p.
More at link
$499 does not look that retarded anymore. 720p/1080p in games and movies.
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the games were never a problem. it\'s the movies.
So what will the $499 peeps do when 2010 rolls around and their new favorite movie OMG-I-MUST-OWN-IT comes out? So much for future proof. Oh well, enjoy it while you can.
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by that time blu-ray players won\'t cost that much anymore, so no problem I guess.
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just means your Sony marketed blu-ray player becomes obsolete, that\'s all.
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Funny how technology works, eh?
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I heard that PS3 support 1080p output for the analog connection too, which should fine for buyers that are planning on getting $500 version.
Riku,
honestly in my opinion, I doubt ICT will ever be implement on the majority of either HD-DVD or Blu Ray discs because seriously, who here are going to make copy of High def video in analog connection?
Very rarely will you see a high def analog input connection for recording on consumer video recorder.
Look at dvd recorder, you do see composite and s-video input and output, and a component video output, but no component video input. Some better one have firewire connection, which is a digital connection...
And where are you going to record that analog connection to? VHS VCR? VHS is low resolution of 240 x 480i i think, and they don\'t have component video input or output for that matter.
Because of those facts, studios were open minded about it and doesn\'t have to worry and so they decided not to implement ICT on HD video discs.
its the digital connection where they are a lot more concern, and hence they have serious copy protection like HDCP, AACS to prevent you from making perfect copy off the disc from blu ray writer, and from a digital connection...
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I\'m sure there will be alot of pressure from consumers to NOT implement ICT for this generation of media formats. I just find it funny that Sony\'s shouting future proof when ICT is a somewhat probable scenario, and only a few years from now.
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I am very convince ICT will not be implemented at all for nearly all the Blu Ray/HD-DVD discs because they know that pretty much nobody will bother recording High Definition Video in "high def" analog input connection because high def analog input almost don\'t exist.
So, in my opinion which I believe was the case months ago was that ICT will never be implemented in the future, even to the time next generation optical disc that will replace blu ray in about 10 years from now...
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I also doubt ICT will ever be used now.
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Riku, I think you\'re going a bit overboard with your anti-PS3 (Or rather, anti-PS3-fanboy) shenanigans.
Click me. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sophistry)
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So what will the $499 peeps do when 2010 rolls around and their new favorite movie OMG-I-MUST-OWN-IT comes out? So much for future proof. Oh well, enjoy it while you can.
rikku u can sometimes help balance the fanboyism factor here but now you\'re just going overboard.
Ok it\'s 2010. Terminator 2 Extreme Super Ultimate Edition with triple enhanced zuber-buffering is just released with the ICT flag. A Sony standalone blu-ray player is $80. A PS3 with HDMI output is in the $100-$200 range.
oh n0es!!! What to do!? :confused: :fighting:
"Enjoy it while you can." 4+ years is a helluva long time for your primary media player to last.
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wait, where are all those who were talking about being future proof for the next 10 years? Not one of you has anything to say?
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Bleeding fanboyism...
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yes, I see all of you.
just calling out the hypocrites
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I never said 10 years ?_?
Hell you can buy a PC faster than the PS3 within a few months of its release.
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obviously wasn\'t aimed at you.
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Oh where is that troll avatar when you need it :)
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obviously wasn\'t aimed at you.
At me then? Remember this thread and in 4 plus years from now, see if ICT will ever be implemented.
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Paul, you should bookmark it and say "I told you so" in 4 years.
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ICT will be defeated by pirates who want to break it within one year, eight months, six days, let alone four years. In 2010 ICT will be a relic that won\'t be an issue.
You heard it here first!
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wait, where are all those who were talking about being future proof for the next 10 years? Not one of you has anything to say?
Buy the $600 model?
-Dan
//future-proofing a console is kinda silly, at least in this instance
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what about those who buy the $500 model thinking they\'re getting a blu-ray player? What does Sony say if ICT is implemented? "Well, kind of...you see, you\'ll be able to play these older movies..."
nobody else thinks this could potentially be a mess?
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Oh geez. Lighten up will you?
Its not the end of the world if you have to buy a $5.99 player Anno Domini 2010 IF ICT ever gets used (which I very much doubt now). ;)
And people who are interested in movies most likely will get the $599 model in the first place, HDMI is da new THANG and its digital. Digital > analog everybody knows that. :gfight:
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Oh geez. Lighten up will you?
Its not the end of the world if you have to buy a $5.99 player Anno Domini 2010 IF ICT ever gets used (which I very much doubt now). ;)
And people who are interested in movies most likely will get the $599 model in the first place, HDMI is da new THANG and its digital. Digital > analog everybody knows that. :gfight:
not everybody knows that.
Geez. I remember when so many of you were saying shit about Microsoft and their two skus, saying how it would confuse the customer. This is at least as bad as that (I think worse since you can\'t upgrade) and all of you think it\'s perfectly fine.
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not everybody knows that.
Geez. I remember when so many of you were saying shit about Microsoft and their two skus, saying how it would confuse the customer. This is at least as bad as that (I think worse since you can\'t upgrade) and all of you think it\'s perfectly fine.
No since what Microsoft did was split up their userbase when it comes to GAMES, thats the primary function of both of these machines. A 360 Core user CAN NOT play every 360 game, unless he gets the HDD for $100 (?).
On the PS3 a core user will be able to play ALL games, but after 2010 he might not be able to watch every single BD movie in High Def, but thats a secondary function anyway.
Its really no comparison, the 360 situation is far worse.
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what about those who buy the $500 model thinking they\'re getting a blu-ray player? What does Sony say if ICT is implemented? "Well, kind of...you see, you\'ll be able to play these older movies..."
nobody else thinks this could potentially be a mess?
riku earlier you was kinda actin like a little kid in response to this news, but i guess that can be forgiven as in the past you posted some very respectable threads..that said and if i\'m reading that article above correctly, the xbox is going to have issues here as well right? ultimately at the end of the day people should opt for the 599 version and be done with it. but even if they do implement this ict thing, by 2010 it may not be that big an issue and people will probably be purchasing stand alone players in general...
i\'ve already posted a thread comparing both versions of ps3\'s... this article here is stating some negative things about the ps3, but i think it touches on the issues you speak of...
http://gear.ign.com/articles/709/709495p1.html
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fasty, Sony is going to market the PS3 as more than a games machine. Kuturagi is calling it a cheap blu-ray player/super-computer. Microsoft told every developer to make their games as if not to count on the HDD. So far, two games are being made with it in mind (Final Fantasy XI and Football Manager). Seems like the mass majority of developers are listening to MS.
clips, Microsoft is going to run in to the same problem with their HD-DVD add-on. Why they\'re even bothering I\'m not sure.
It\'s the fact that you\'ll have to buy a stand-alone machine in order to keep your blu-ray library growing. Why didn\'t Sony include a HDMI slot on the cheaper model? Are they that expensive?
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take your meds, bro
mean ol\' sony isn\'t out to get you
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Probably to force tech heads to throw another $100 their way. The thing is, the lack of an HDMI port has nothing to do with gameplay. The video game console is not affected one way or another. If you want higher potential resolution output, you throw down another $100.
They\'re offering two skus, for better or worse, and that\'s the main question that the consumer is faced with when selecting between them.
They should have released the fully-loaded console only, for $550, if you ask me. Or just bit the bullet and stuck with $500 which, when compared to the X360 doesn\'t seem too bad.
-Dan
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take your meds, bro
mean ol\' sony isn\'t out to get you
didn\'t say they were out to get me. I just don\'t understand what they\'re doing.
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abusing their position in the industry?
last one to do this was nintendo, and look where it took them
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Probably to force tech heads to throw another $100 their way. The thing is, the lack of an HDMI port has nothing to do with gameplay. The video game console is not affected one way or another. If you want higher potential resolution output, you throw down another $100.
They\'re offering two skus, for better or worse, and that\'s the main question that the consumer is faced with when selecting between them.
They should have released the fully-loaded console only, for $550, if you ask me. Or just bit the bullet and stuck with $500 which, when compared to the X360 doesn\'t seem too bad.
-Dan
Thing is that they\'re already making you pay for a blu-ray player, so why make it (possibly) crippled?
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$.
And our definition of crippled varies.
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$.
And our definition of crippled varies.
Yes, the PS3 is more expensive than other consoles, but it\'s because there\'s a blu-ray player in it. hi-def movie playback! wow, what a bargain...but it only works with movies made before 2010...and no, you can\'t do anything about it but buy a compliant player = crippled, imho. (that is if ICT is ever implemented)
what\'s your definition?
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It works so it\'s not crippled.
You\'re suggesting that 4 years from now, it may be... what, incapable of the highest resolution on the cheaper sku?
I\'m suggesting, "so what?"
It\'s a non-factor.
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gonna break it down for you...
Sony is charging you at the very least $500. Their justification is that it\'s a bargain as a blu-ray movie player. If ICT is implemented then the reason it\'s so expensive just became null. Now you\'re just paying for Sony\'s forced blu-ray tech. Thanks for footing the bill while we try to establish blu-ray (which, imo, is totally unnecessary).
I\'m just ranting. Why have the consumer take the gamble on the cheaper PS3? Why would Sony cut out HDMI on one of the models? It\'s just dumb, imo.
I still think these new formats are too early.
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the games were never a problem. it\'s the movies.
So what will the $499 peeps do when 2010 rolls around and their new favorite movie OMG-I-MUST-OWN-IT comes out? So much for future proof. Oh well, enjoy it while you can.
So? Its a problem only for a 10 year old cheaper version of a PS3( thats what sony ment by futureproof anyways=it will last for 10 years than just 5.). By 2010 costs will be lower and all PS3\'s might be sold with an HDMI. Also PS3\'s will all be much cheaper by then and will be able to do much more than just play movies so even then people will see value for the "core" PS3.
These news are great especially for an early adopter who is going to buy the cheaper one in November 2006. He will be using it for 10 years without a problem which is a long time.
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gonna break it down for you...
Sony is charging you at the very least $500. Their justification is that it\'s a bargain as a blu-ray movie player. If ICT is implemented then the reason it\'s so expensive just became null. Now you\'re just paying for Sony\'s forced blu-ray tech. Thanks for footing the bill while we try to establish blu-ray (which, imo, is totally unnecessary).
I\'m just ranting. Why have the consumer take the gamble on the cheaper PS3? Why would Sony cut out HDMI on one of the models? It\'s just dumb, imo.
I still think these new formats are too early.
The reason why is money. Don\'t think about why do they charge less for taking out HDMI. The real answer is this: they think they can charge more if they include HDMI.
They lose money either way, so by saying "look what you get for an extra hundred" they can squeeze another Benjamin from tech-happy consumers.
EDIT: Unicron, check your math, it\'s not 2000 anymore. We\'re up to 2006 already. Almost 2007 by the time holiday season and PS3 launch rolls around.
-Dan
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You people forgets the 60 GB, memory card slots, wi-fi, and another gadget beside HDMI that bring the cost up an extra $100.
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So? Its a problem only for a 10 year old cheaper version of a PS3( thats what sony ment by futureproof anyways=it will last for 10 years than just 5.). By 2010 costs will be lower and all PS3\'s might be sold with an HDMI. Also PS3\'s will all be much cheaper by then and will be able to do much more than just play movies so even then people will see value for the "core" PS3.
These news are great especially for an early adopter who is going to buy the cheaper one in November 2006. He will be using it for 10 years without a problem which is a long time.
I think this is the first time ever that I\'m agreeing with Unicron. We\'re forgetting that consoles change. They changed the PS2 numerous times and updated the hardware and software to make it better. I assume they are gonna do the same thing with this console. Who knows, they may even do away with the core system in a few years when the price drops and its cheaper to manufacture them.
I\'m just gonna bite the bullet and buy the premium console. I may not use everything but atleast I\'m prepared so then I don\'t have to buy the extras to make a core into a premium status console (wireless, bigger harddrive) and spend more. Or even eventually selling my core system to buy a premium when the price drops. Nah, I\'ll play it safe.
I agree with others, they should just sell the premium. You get what, HDMI (whihc the tv i\'m buying has the jacks so woot for me) and wireless (I\'m using a wireless network next year so double woot for me). For me, the premium will be worthwile.
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I agree with others, they should just sell the premium. You get what, HDMI (whihc the tv i\'m buying has the jacks so woot for me) and wireless (I\'m using a wireless network next year so double woot for me). For me, the premium will be worthwile.
True, there should be just 1 version, the premium version, but if you look at it 75% of the people who get the PS3 don\'t know what WIFI or HDMI is and will never need those options anytime in the near future (4-6 years.(
They should have released only the premium system with a 20GB HD and sell it at $550 as Eiksirf suggested. If you want more HDD space addon HDDs should be available.
But as it stands, I see the $500 PS3 model being the most produced of the 2 models, reason being that alot of people won\'t need HDMI or WIFI. The memory card slots hurt, though. Dumb move by Sony. If they would have included the memory card slots in the core version it wouldnt be that bad. Now backwards compatibility is built in it for no real reason.
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You ll still be able to save your PS1 and PS2 games. Also I ve read that you can use USB compatible Mem sticks/SD/Flash memory to save your games
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Wait, what memory cards are being included in the premium that\'s not in the core? The PS1 and PS2 memory cards or are they talking compact flash and SD? If they mean those media cards, then you don\'t need them. Its probably only used for pictures and such.
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Wait, what memory cards are being included in the premium that\'s not in the core? The PS1 and PS2 memory cards or are they talking compact flash and SD? If they mean those media cards, then you don\'t need them. Its probably only used for pictures and such.
i\'m kinda confused on that part as well...if there are no traditional memory cards,..are we going to be using the hd for all of our game saves?...
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This link said ICT won\'t be set til 2012...
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17211 (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17211)
so my guess could be right that ICT won\'t ever be implement at all.
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^^^^not an official announcement
it\'s just like the original post, it\'s a big maybe.
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You are hoping arent you?
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i\'m kinda confused on that part as well...if there are no traditional memory cards,..are we going to be using the hd for all of our game saves?...
Yeah but if there are no memory card slots to accomodate the PS1 and 2, how are we gonna be able to load games and stuff? I bet its gonna be an addon. If that\'s true, that you have to buy something, I\'m just gonna leave the PS2 hooked up next to it for the PS2 and PSX games.
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You are hoping arent you?
actually, no. ICT isn\'t good for consumers in any way, imo. just pointing out the error in what he said.
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True, there should be just 1 version, the premium version, but if you look at it 75% of the people who get the PS3 don\'t know what WIFI or HDMI is and will never need those options anytime in the near future (4-6 years.(
They should have released only the premium system with a 20GB HD and sell it at $550 as Eiksirf suggested. If you want more HDD space addon HDDs should be available.
But as it stands, I see the $500 PS3 model being the most produced of the 2 models, reason being that alot of people won\'t need HDMI or WIFI. The memory card slots hurt, though. Dumb move by Sony. If they would have included the memory card slots in the core version it wouldnt be that bad. Now backwards compatibility is built in it for no real reason.
Agreed. Plus, a lot of the people buying it for their kids are dumbass parents who don\'t know what technology is if it rammed them up the ass. My parents are like that. They doens\'t understand technology. My dad still can barely work the internet. Most parents won\'t know what WiFi are and HDMI and they\'ll just go with what\'s cheaper. Eh, whatever. It ain\'t my money. I got 600 bucks stashed away in my bank for the PS3 jsut waiting for release date.
BTW, any place besides Toys R Us taking orders? One of my best chick friends works at an EB and I\'ve asked her like 10 times already and she told me but keep forgetting.
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My dad still can barely work the internet.
Same here. My dad also asks me where the freaking play button is on the DVD remote. IT\'S THE BIG FREAKING TRIANGLE!
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Same here. My dad also asks me where the freaking play button is on the DVD remote. IT\'S THE BIG FREAKING TRIANGLE!
Haha. My dad can work things like a TV, VCR and sometimes a DVD player (he can get it to play, that\'s the important thing. Now try a grandparent who never even touched a DVD. That is a good laugh). But when it comes to computers, my dad isnt\' really too good. He\'s a lot better than he used to be. I had to teach him how to work e-mail. That was a trip. He can work basic things by himself now but he doesn\'t really know much about advanced things in a computer.
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My dad cusses when he closes a browser window. He screams as to why the window is no longer there. He can plumb an entire house, but he can barely work a computer. Meh...
I find it pitiful when older folks can\'t work technology. It\'s stupid. They\'re stuck way in the past and never bothered to care about the changing world around them. I mean...change with the times!
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but there are beauty in the case that older folks doesn\'t know to use computer because at least they won\'t be download porns like younger folks are or care to. Either way goes i suppose.
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but there are beauty in the case that older folks doesn\'t know to use computer because at least they won\'t be download porns like younger folks are or care to. Either way goes i suppose.
Atleast until they figure out that you can get endless amounts of porn on the internet, then those horny old bastards run out and buy computers and try to work them :)
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we\'ve become a society desperately dependent on technology...as long as it works everything is fine,..as soon as the computer system crashes it is a major problem, social security numbers and various other sensitive info are kept on huge databases that can be comprimised at any moment,..people act like they can\'t survive if it weren\'t any cell phones or computers...i think we depend on tecnology a wee bit too much...anybody remember that y2k glitch?...it\'s baffling how those numbers 1999 i think it was,...not sure but it was amazing how programmers was wrecking their brain just get these computers and systems to understand the year 2000...:rolleyes:...
i remember working loads of overtime maintaining the computer systems while the programmers were stressin\' over that issue...
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Nice thread shift :)
I do agree we place too much trust in technology. If there was a huge EMP that wiped everything out, a la Dark Angel, how many would know how to build a house, hunt & kill for food, plant crops, make fire, use a vibrator, etc...
Yea I know the chances of that happening are next to zilch but I like toying with the thought every once in a while ;>