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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Eiksirf on June 01, 2006, 04:09:51 AM
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Sony’s Phil Harrison is going on record.
In response to numerous suggestions that the Dual Shock 3’s tilt-sensing abilities are a direct attempt to duplicate Nintendo’s revolutionary Wii controller, Harrison brings up the first PlayStation as a defense. “When we brought the PlayStation to the market in 1994, we introduced real time 3-D graphics for the first time," he says. "When Nintendo launched its N64 in 1996 it also had 3D graphics, did we say, "Nintendo stole our idea!"? Obviously not. Such innovations become possible because of a combination of technology, cost and manufacture capacities.”
And, in regards to the specific technology, Harrison adds says , “The difference between our strategy and that of our competition is that our controller is still similar to the Dual Shock, the industry standard controller. I estimate that nearly 400 million Dual Shock controllers have been sold worldwide.” The Dual Shock, of course, is remarkably similar to certain other controllers than had been earlier released as well, meaning that Sony is changing things up by keeping them the same.
Remember when Sony invented 3D gaming? It was around the same time Al Gore invented the internet. ;]
-Dan
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So much drama on this, but in the end it\'s not worth bitching about
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This bitching is retarded. Take a good look at the Dual Shock and the Gamecube controllers. Notice any design similarities?
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Remember when Sony invented 3D gaming? It was around the same time Al Gore invented the internet. ;]
-Dan
I think he ment they were the first to revial a console with dedicated 3D real time graphics
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i still say sony should have stayed with that boomerang controller,...it didn\'t look like it would\'ve been uncomfortable, since it didn\'t stray too far in style from the dual shock...it looked pretty slick next to the silver ps3..
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i still say sony should have stayed with that boomerang controller,...it didn\'t look like it would\'ve been uncomfortable, since it didn\'t stray too far in style from the dual shock...it looked pretty slick next to the silver ps3..
Yeah. True but I kinda would rather leave it like the dual shock. This way when I go back and forth between games it isn\'t awkward or anything. But hey, maybe its something for them to keep in mind for next generation or perhaps as a supplemental controller design they can release or a third party release.
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Did this guy also forget that Nintendo partnered with Sony to create what eventually became known as the Playstation?
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Did this guy also forget that Nintendo partnered with Sony to create what eventually became known as the Playstation?
The only common thing that Playstation had with the Playstation Sony released was that it was going to play CDs. Also Sony doesnt complain.
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The only common thing that Playstation had with the Playstation Sony released was that it was going to play CDs. Also Sony doesnt complain.
They do lie tho\'..
..."Toy story quality graphics"...
:thumb:
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Microsoft said the same thing about Xbox.
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Microsoft said the same thing about Xbox.
I don\'t remember that ever. At most I remember "High End" PC graphics which was not a total lie because 2001 pc games didn\'t look that great at all.
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Apparently you forgot about the 1 Teraflop comment on their official page prior to the first Xbox\'s release.
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Apparently you forgot about the 1 Teraflop comment on their official page prior to the first Xbox\'s release.
Apparently 1 represents "We can do..." and teraflop truly means "Toy Story graphics."
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They also said Toy Story graphics for the Xbox. I wish I had the article. Either way, they were full of sh^t and the specs obviously changed by the time the Xbox was released. It said something like "1 teraflop blah blah ... Yeah, we have enough power". It was something asinine.
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I\'m sure the "Toy Story" comment would have been a laugh as well if it were true.
But whatever, check out those resistance pics and post in the thread for uhh, more PS3 talk.
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Never recall a "Toy Story" graphics comment on MS\'s part. I\'m sure they hyped it, but I doubt they used the exact same statement as Sony had with the PS2, years ahead of time.
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"One of the basic premises of the Xbox is to put the power in the hands of the artist," Blackley said, which is why Xbox developers "are achieving a level of visual detail you really get in \'Toy Story.\'"
LINKY LINK (http://news.com.com/2100-1040-250632.html)
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Oh Seamus Blackley, I should have known. I guess I\'ll give you credit for finding that obscure article.
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It\'s all I could find, lol. Plus I\'m lazy right now. It\'s Friday night and I couldn\'t find any damn parties. Freaking sucks.
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Heh
I spent my Friday getting my younger cousin a tux and a limo for prom. What fun(suck) that was.
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Gawd...prom. I remember that sh^t. My ex from Massachusetts won prom queen one year. I was in Cali at the time. If I had gone, I would\'ve been prom king. That would\'ve been freaking weird.
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owned
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They do lie tho\'..
..."Toy story quality graphics"...
:thumb:
lol. Remember when they said they rendered a scene from the Matrix on the PS2 and people didn\'t know it wasn\'t the real movie until someone started moving the camera in realtime. lmao.
:thumb: Shure budday
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Gawd...prom. I remember that sh^t. My ex from Massachusetts won prom queen one year. I was in Cali at the time. If I had gone, I would\'ve been prom king. That would\'ve been freaking weird.
In my old highschool, the voting was done seperately for king and queen. So the two people would rarely be a couple.
But this is off topic and isn\'t really going anywhere.
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Well...at her high school...if someone wins prom queen, her date would automatically be king. But yeah...off topic. Back to ridiculous hype.
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lol. Remember when they said they rendered a scene from the Matrix on the PS2 and people didn\'t know it wasn\'t the real movie until someone started moving the camera in realtime. lmao.
:thumb: Shure budday
You got it all wrong. You confused one of Sony\'s projects. It was one of the first efforts to introduce high performance parallel processing that was going to be used for commercials and movies and it consisted not of just 1 PS2 but 16 to 64 (the latest GScube version if I remember well) PS2 boards connected to each other. That was called the GScube.
It was an experiment which they would later use for future usage.
It was demonstrated at SIGGRAPH. Its not BS
Matrix wasnt the only thing they demonstrated at SIGGRAPH.
They showed interactive footage of Antz and Final Fantasy: Spirits Within as well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GScube
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=8750
http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20000804/crespo_pfv.htm
And here\'s the direct quote of "jacking into the Matrix" some fanboys have been using as an arguement that KK claimed you could jack into the Matrix with your PS2. He was refering to the GScube but like always some like twisting some facts.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=8744
This is how they envisioned the next console to evolve, and it was the first-if you like, experimental version/prototype of the idea behind the PS3.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOk3rIAkdCY&search=Warhawk
Video of someone playing warhawk with motion sensing. Looks enjoyable
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looks fun without the "over exeggerated" motions the wii controller requires
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Do you even know what you\'re posting about? What "over exeggerated" motions? A flick of the wrist is now "over exeggerated"? Yes, the ads and promo\'s showing people goin\' crazy with it - but you don\'t have to. Every review / preview of it says it is sensative to just the flick of a wrist. Not to meniton - who cares what it looks like while playing? I certainly don\'t care if I look like a "fool" playin\' a videogame. If I did, I wouldn\'t get up and play Dance Dance Mario.
;)
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well actually, you do look like a fool playing Dance Dance Mario.
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well actually, you do look like a fool playing Dance Dance Mario.
And I have no problem with that. Games are suppose to be fun, it\'s not some macho contest. I don\'t care. I\'ll continue to play Dance Dance Mario in my Transformers under-roo\'s and have a blast. That\'s what games are for, havin\' fun. Not sure why anyone has a complex on how they "look" while playin\' a game. Then again, I never felt less manly or unsure of myself while playin\' Super Princess Peach.
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perhaps you misunderstood, gaming isn\'t a "cool contest"
it\'s more about maturity in this case.
think mario ddr sells well among the male 18-34 year old crowd?
if you like dancing games, you\'re in the minority.
enjoy it, i guess
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perhaps you misunderstood, gaming isn\'t a "cool contest"
it\'s more about maturity in this case.
think mario ddr sells well among the male 18-34 year old crowd?
if you like dancing games, you\'re in the minority.
enjoy it, i guess
Well we will see if only the minority will prefer Wii when its released.
For the meantime all we have to do is wait than jump to absolute conclusions
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or use simple deductive reasoning
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perhaps you misunderstood, gaming isn\'t a "cool contest"
it\'s more about maturity in this case.
think mario ddr sells well among the male 18-34 year old crowd?
if you like dancing games, you\'re in the minority.
enjoy it, i guess
Yes, yes it does.
You know why I own Dance Dance Mario and not other Dance Dance games? Because my fiance had no interest in it until she saw Mario. People like Mario, not sure what you problem is with that.
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Afaik , Battlezone on PC was one of the first true 3D graphics & gameplay titles.
Of course 1 or 2 titles don\'t make a platform as an established 3D gaming platform.
Genesis, SNES, Jaguar etc. did indeed feature some (good) 3D games but that doesn\'t make them THE gaming platform which sets the standard as such.
Sega Saturn came a long way, but it\'s 3D games didn\'t quite evolve as much as needed (in time).
So, ppl who want to nitpick and play semantics arguments may disagree with Harrison\'s arguments. Whatever way ; the PS3\'s controller tilt function is added value, be it much or little.
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You got it all wrong. You confused one of Sony\'s projects. It was one of the first efforts to introduce high performance parallel processing that was going to be used for commercials and movies and it consisted not of just 1 PS2 but 16 to 64 (the latest GScube version if I remember well) PS2 boards connected to each other. That was called the GScube.
It was an experiment which they would later use for future usage.
It was demonstrated at SIGGRAPH. Its not BS
Matrix wasnt the only thing they demonstrated at SIGGRAPH.
They showed interactive footage of Antz and Final Fantasy: Spirits Within as well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GScube
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=8750
http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20000804/crespo_pfv.htm
And here\'s the direct quote of "jacking into the Matrix" some fanboys have been using as an arguement that KK claimed you could jack into the Matrix with your PS2. He was refering to the GScube but like always some like twisting some facts.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=8744
This is how they envisioned the next console to evolve, and it was the first-if you like, experimental version/prototype of the idea behind the PS3.
No matter. They still said that they could do Toy Story graphics and the Cloud-Tifa dance scene in real time. Don\'t forget Saddam was trying to get a couple for his missle guidance system. They also called it a supercomputer, just like they are doing with the PS3.
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Sega Saturn came a long way, but it\'s 3D games didn\'t quite evolve as much as needed (in time).
What crack are you smoking? Can I have some? When developers knew what to do with the Saturn it produced beautiful games. I need to only point to the difference in Virtua Fighter (launch) and Virtual Fighter 2.
Then again, I don\'t even know what your post was about - shrugs-.
Don\'t forget Saddam was trying to get a couple for his missle guidance system. They also called it a supercomputer, just like they are doing with the PS3.
I had almost forgot about that. :laughing: I remember all the hype on how it was a supercomputer and Saddam was goin\' to link them together or some nonsense.
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The Virtua games franchise was and still is Sega\'s first party elite. No doubt about it. Quality stuff indeed. However, on the longer term that wasn\'t and isn\'t enough to establish a gaming platform as known for it\'s 3D games.
Especially 3rd party devs had trouble using Saturn\'s double core architecture to create evolving 3D games with true 3D gameplay.
Becuz alot of them got stuck in being \'on rails\' gameplay with only polyons being the 3D aspect of it.
That\'s the point ; making the jump to full 3D gameplay worlds where one could go about \'freely\' without the developer having to cut on detail.
But again ; there is NO point in discussing about semantics (wether it\'s a true \'lie\' about Toy Story graphics or not and such) . It IS about being a games platform which establishes itself as a true 3D gaming platform.
That is what Sony delivered and which should be recognized imo.
Otherwise i hint towards developer interviews ; which only attest to their reluctancy and \'problems\' to do 3D games on Saturn. And again.. that sub discussion is non relevant because the console didn\'t really survive it.
Saturn died, DC died, - Xbox360 came, Wii and PS3 will come ; we have to move on.
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Huh?
What in the hell are you rambling about?
I\'m not sure how we got on the "Toy Story Graphics" to this whole 3D realm thing.
The only thing I got out of your mess of a post is that it\'s okay Sony makes bold face lies when they hype a machine, because they brought 3D gaming to the masses? I love that logic.
:rolleyes:
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Well we went from "Phil Harrison talks on PS3 controller" to "Toy Story graphics". Why not Toy Story graphics to this
No matter. They still said that they could do Toy Story graphics and the Cloud-Tifa dance scene in real time. Don\'t forget Saddam was trying to get a couple for his missle guidance system. They also called it a supercomputer, just like they are doing with the PS3.
Ahm that was Squall and Rinoa, they did demonstrate it in real time and it wasnt that impossible. Actually judging by the fact that it was just a tech demo with only 2 characters on screen, and full games were later released on PS2 that looked just as good or sometimes even better proves that it surpassed that tech demo.
It was CNN that said that about the missiles. About the Toy Story graphics again is a victim of misinterpretation and mistranslation
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No matter. They still said that they could do Toy Story graphics and the Cloud-Tifa dance scene in real time.
Cloud and Tifa? It\'s apparent you\'ve never played a Final Fantasy game in your life.
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Does it matter? His point is still made.
Oh and lol unicron, misinterpretation....right
EVERY company hypes their product, is it that hard to understand?
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EVERY company hypes their product
Pretty much.
His point is still made.
Yeah, I know. I remember that demo. It looked like ass.
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Does it matter? His point is still made.
Oh and lol unicron, misinterpretation....right
EVERY company hypes their product, is it that hard to understand?
I didnt say they dont hype their product
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Huh?
What in the hell are you rambling about?
I\'m not sure how we got on the "Toy Story Graphics" to this whole 3D realm thing.
The only thing I got out of your mess of a post is that it\'s okay Sony makes bold face lies when they hype a machine, because they brought 3D gaming to the masses? I love that logic.
:rolleyes:
Well, actually ; yes. Your whole point about Sony lying about Toy Story graphics is kind of invalid.
Looking back, it is easy to see that NONE of the consoles of that time could create exact Toy Story graphics 1 on 1, in real time. Again, semantics play and arguments about arguments and word twists.
My post wasn\'t a mess ; it was to show you step by step how 3D graphics in general to the masses IS the point and not about a so called \'lie\'. A bit pointless to not like a game console company about bold advertisement babble which should not be taken all too literally.
There are tons of games on PS2 less technically advanced than Toy Story 1 & 2 yet me and many others like them alot better than Toy Story graphics.
Nobody even requested for Toy Story graphics, so this \'promise turned lie\' isn\'t a point of argument at all.
What does matter ; is that Sony\'s PS3 is likely to deliver the goods again like it should and it most probably will ; which are the games and type of games PS2 game afficionado\'s are looking forward to.
And even if we did go on in petty arguments about \'lies\' and \'broken promises\' then imo , Sega\'s 16 bit addon promises and Nintendo\'s 4mb expansion pack and stubborn cartridge format are way more serious things which effected consumers/gamers directly.
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Cloud and Tifa? It\'s apparent you\'ve never played a Final Fantasy game in your life.
It was ONE of those androgenous male characters and high pitched chicks. How can you tell them apart?
BTW, I played Final Fantasy X so nah nah nahnah nah. :gfight:
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Well, actually ; yes. Your whole point about Sony lying about Toy Story graphics is kind of invalid.
Looking back, it is easy to see that NONE of the consoles of that time could create exact Toy Story graphics 1 on 1, in real time. Again, semantics play and arguments about arguments and word twists.
My post wasn\'t a mess ; it was to show you step by step how 3D graphics in general to the masses IS the point and not about a so called \'lie\'. A bit pointless to not like a game console company about bold advertisement babble which should not be taken all too literally.
There are tons of games on PS2 less technically advanced than Toy Story 1 & 2 yet me and many others like them alot better than Toy Story graphics.
Nobody even requested for Toy Story graphics, so this \'promise turned lie\' isn\'t a point of argument at all.
What does matter ; is that Sony\'s PS3 is likely to deliver the goods again like it should and it most probably will ; which are the games and type of games PS2 game afficionado\'s are looking forward to.
And even if we did go on in petty arguments about \'lies\' and \'broken promises\' then imo , Sega\'s 16 bit addon promises and Nintendo\'s 4mb expansion pack and stubborn cartridge format are way more serious things which effected consumers/gamers directly.
You\'re posts are always a mess.
Let me make this simple for you.
1: It doesn\'t matter if no one "requested" Toy Story graphics. Sony said they could produce them. They couldn\'t. It effects their creditability among some of us consumers.
2: No one brought up Sega or Nintendo, but sure, I\'ll give you that, they was also lies, but not as big of lies as the Toy Story graphics.
3: So, now we shouldn\'t take any of the stuff said at press conferences serious? We the consumers, shouldn\'t call a company out for lying about the product and it\'s potenial? Great logic.
4: This is not about who brought 3D to masses. That as the Psone. This is about the PS2 and the stupid lies / hype / "advertisement" that was done for the system would sell.
Not really sure how it can be broke down anymore for you to understand.
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It was ONE of those androgenous male characters and high pitched chicks. How can you tell them apart?
Cloud and Squall are the least androgynous characters in any FF game, me thinks.
BTW, I played Final Fantasy X so nah nah nahnah nah.
Tidus was normal in-game, but once you get to the FMV\'s, he turns all :gfight:
But back on topic.
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Yeah, but who can take it serious when the guy is named "Cloud" or "Squall"? What\'s next, "Sky" and "Pelican"?
;)
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LIC, yeah my posts seem a mess to people who think mostly in \'ow boy i have to outsmart the rest with one liner posts or bullet point style posts\'.
You have my most sincere empathy if you don\'t like reading them the way you want to read posts. Sorry.
And i\'m still puzzled how you can be ... after all those years.. be hung up about this \'lie\' in regards to PS2 ?
Many (millions) of gamers played PS2 games, loved them and it often exceeded their expectations.
And .. the PS3 is not the PS2. This is a new round. Old arguments should stay in the old round. Period.
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LIC, yeah my posts seem a mess to people who think mostly in \'ow boy i have to outsmart the rest with one liner posts or bullet point style posts\'.
You have my most sincere empathy if you don\'t like reading them the way you want to read posts. Sorry.
And i\'m still puzzled how you can be ... after all those years.. be hung up about this \'lie\' in regards to PS2 ?
Many (millions) of gamers played PS2 games, loved them and it often exceeded their expectations.
And .. the PS3 is not the PS2. This is a new round. Old arguments should stay in the old round. Period.
It\'s not an "old argument". It is a simple point saying that anything Sony says about their console before it is released, cannot be believed. If you want to be blind to that, then fine.
I\'m not "hung up" on the lie, I am just pointing out that very basic facts. Everyone is all in wow on what Sony has said the PS3 can do, but yet they don\'t look back at what Sony had said the PS2 could do - and never did do!
It\'s really quite simple.
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did sony say before the PS2 launched they would sell some 120 million units?
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did sony say before the PS2 launched they would sell some 120 million units?
Let me guess, that makes every lie void - just because they sold a bunch? Hardly.
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That means that people liked it which is the important thing. Right?
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And that changes his point about believing everything Sony says how? Oh right, it doesn\'t.
Stay focused. ;]
mm!
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That means that people liked it which is the important thing. Right?
Not even the point. You , Knotter and MM can try to take this off subject with the whole "sales = king" nonsense, but that isn\'t the point. The point is taking everything Sony says with a grain of salt due to their past history of lying about the systems potenial.
And slightly off-topic, but tired of hearing about "gimmick" controller aka Wii-mote. You want to know gimmick? The PS3 tilt \' motion. Why? The very fact that Sony didn\'t tell almost all the big developers about it until it was debuted at E3, shows that it\'s an afterthought for Sony. Even developers in a new issue of Playstation Magazine US OFFICIAL said that the Warhawk demo seemed more like a tech test, instead of making the player truly feel like they are controlling the ship. I can dig up the exact quote if needed.
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i\'m just pointing out inconsistencies in your points, please continue
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i\'m just pointing out inconsistencies in your points, please continue
No you\'re not. You have yet to do that. All you are doing is dancing around the topic at hand, as usual.
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And that changes his point about believing everything Sony says how? Oh right, it doesn\'t.
Stay focused. ;]
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Ahm...and the reason of this arguement is what? Trying to prove what? It is a pointless arguement of no importance or meaning. Even if KK said that once what difference does it make and how did that make 120 million people buy a PS2?
You give more attention to it than the people that love and own a PS2 for any other reason BUT what KK said.
Its pointless. The system has offered what people want regardless
Not even the point. You , Knotter and MM can try to take this off subject with the whole "sales = king" nonsense, but that isn\'t the point. The point is taking everything Sony says with a grain of salt due to their past history of lying about the systems potenial.
And slightly off-topic, but tired of hearing about "gimmick" controller aka Wii-mote. You want to know gimmick? The PS3 tilt \' motion. Why? The very fact that Sony didn\'t tell almost all the big developers about it until it was debuted at E3, shows that it\'s an afterthought for Sony. Even developers in a new issue of Playstation Magazine US OFFICIAL said that the Warhawk demo seemed more like a tech test, instead of making the player truly feel like they are controlling the ship. I can dig up the exact quote if needed.
Where was I trying to convince Wii\'s controller was a gimmick?
edit: Oops noticed that the gimmick part wasnt directed to me...hopefully
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every company hypes up their console,..but sony really did lay it on thick when they stated that back then,..it actually put alot of people on pause from buyin dreamcast...i\'m not gonna front i was close to buyin a dreamcast when i saw that soulblade game...to date that game is still one the best playin\' and best lookin\' fighting games to date...that said tho even when sony did state that, you still should have come to some type of lets wait and see type of conclusion...i\'m sure we have all seen those infomercials that states how you can put money down on various homes with no-money down and you could retire within 6 months,...yet i\'m sure alot of us have looked at that and stated it\'s bulls**t...
but i guess alot of people believed it because the jump from 32 bit to those systems was so huge that when we finally started seein how great the games were on dreamcast, people thought (myself included) that the ps2 was gonna be twice as powerful and have better graphics, when in alot of instances at least early on, the dreamcast games were lookin better than the ps2 games and the thing was, was that dreamcast games were lookin impressive from the door early in it\'s life....but there\'s really no point in arguing this as it really is just pointless...all companies fabricate what their consoles can really do to some extent....
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A lot of DC games look as good as current PS2 games, for the record.
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*almost* as good
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It is a pointless arguement of no importance or meaning.
There\'s no arguement. LIC just said Sony lied before so be careful that they may be lying now.
It\'s a fact and a suggestion, not an arguement.
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i love you all.
"hugs everyone"
+1
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Ok, but LIC\'s emphasizing this \'lie\' so much that it\'s almost become his (false) assumption that PS3 won\'t deliver on however Sony will market it. Everything is still a big \'what IF\'. Even Nintendo\'s Wii. Sure E3 showed us it looked fun, the concept sounds fun, but will most Wii games actually play fun !?
Marketing is always about \'promising\' things. Marketing guys play with margins and play with the mass\' feelings & non expertise. Just like how many consumers are a bit confused about High Definition TV. Every company does it.
People can fill up weeks fighting out \'word\' and technical semantics battles about what delivering a marketing promise is.
I mean... Miele... they create household electric / oven appliances... they never (afaik) made \'outrageous\' product promises yet i despise the performance of the products of theirs i experienced. I kind of dislike the Miele brand for that.
Sony supposedly said their PS2 would deliver \'Toy Story\' graphics. I don\'t even care for Toy Story graphics.
My expectations, like of many PS1 gamers ( I never had a PSX though. I had N64 ) was based on our own \'extrapolations\' of how games like Metal Gear Solid would look and play on PS2.
The whole ToyStory graphics things was indeed what it says ; a piece of marketing bluff about graphics.
Most gamers\' expectations encompassed way more than just the graphics argument ; they were thinking about PS2 gaming, not just graphics.
And PS2 delivered that and then some to the fans of such games.
* (technically speaking : PS2, for it\'s time, can push ALOT of polygons, maybe not textured or lit, but geometry wise it can do a ToyStory set + 1 or 2 characters yes) *
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Congratulations, you just reposted what you\'ve posted a hundred times over and it still makes no sense, other than the whole, "let\'s ignore all the lies we\'ve been told, because, well, it\'s in the past".
Most gamers\' expectations encompassed way more than just the graphics argument ; they were thinking about PS2 gaming, not just graphics.
PS2 gaming? Oh god, I\'ve heard it all. Almost every game out on the system could of been done the PSone at a lower polygon count. The gameplay didn\'t take a drastic leap from PSone to PS2. You are now trying to push off that the PS2 offered a new way of gaming, when in reality, it didn\'t. None of the consoles did. It comes down to the original (or semi-original) topic. Hype and not delivering that hype. Yes, Sony sold a boatload of PS2\'s, that does not nelegate the fact they lied countless times while hyping the PS2, which in return, in my opinion, kills any crediblity they have when they hyped the PS3.
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credibility?
lol
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You\'re doing the same thing yourself LIC.
LIC set to button REPEAT. how fantastic.
For you it makes no sense obviously because you saw gaming heaven when DC was still alive. Ok fine. (C\'mon, there\'s almost factual reason & logic to that post of mine, do not deny it)
Why keep bothering people with that (none) \'argument\' of yours, who are looking forward to PS3 games, when you are not ?
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You\'re doing the same thing yourself LIC.
LIC set to button REPEAT. how fantastic.
For you it makes no sense obviously because you saw gaming heaven when DC was still alive. Ok fine. (C\'mon, there\'s almost factual reason & logic to that post of mine, do not deny it)
Why keep bothering people with that (none) \'argument\' of yours, who are looking forward to PS3 games, when you are not ?
If you had your way, this whole forum would be nothing but PS3 hype and sucking Sony\'s nuts, it\'s not that way. I am not bothering you, you can set me to ignore - I don\'t care. I am simply stating a fact, they lied numerous times about the PS2, so why believe them when it comes to the PS3. I\'m sorry that you can\'t accept that.
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"In 1994 when we brought the first real time 3D gaming.."
It\'s lies like this and Sony fanboys eat it up. Just like "Toy Story graphics" which is now labeled a "mistranslation" or "misunderstanding". Just amazes me what you people will let them get by with and then, when they turn around and do it again, you jump on the hype bandwagon and believe it..yet again.
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you\'re arguing a marketing ploy from 12 years ago?
wow
i hear the anti-sony bandwagon is pretty full these days
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What are you talking about? It\'s a recent quote, he is trying to say they invented real time 3D gaming. It\'s just more hype. Do you even read the previous posts before you reply?
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I\'ve heard that too, about the bandwagon.
Suppose the anti-Nintendo bandwagon made a transfer somewhere down the line. ;]
I don\'t see what the problem is with LIC here. He makes a fine point. Buy into its relevance if you want, but you can\'t discredit his simple statement.
Jeebus.
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I\'ve been no the \'anti-sony\' bandwagon ever since the launch sucked ass. But we won\'t get into that, yet again.
;)
It\'s just a matter of being blind to simple things. You want to be blind to the constant hype and lies? Fine - be blind. I\'m just pointing it out. If it was any other company, you\'d all be up in arms, just like MM throws a fit every single time Peter.M is mentioned and Fable, he goes on a rant about hype and lies. It\'s NO DIFFERENT then what Sony done with the PS2 and most likely PS3.
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perhaps you witnessed a different PS2 launch then the rest of the world
i never saw sony publically apologizing for over-hyping thier games and lack of sales, but maybe i missed it
toy story graphics, there i said it
move on please
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perhaps you witnessed a different PS2 launch then the rest of the world
i never saw sony publically apologizing for over-hyping thier games and lack of sales, but maybe i missed it
toy story graphics, there i said it
move on please
You\'re missing the point and you are missing it on purpose.
Of course you never saw Sony apologizing for lying - no one expects them to do that, it\'d be bad PR. Instead, they lie and let you , the fanboys, cover them up and forget about them.
The PS2 launch was average, there was nothing great about it. I\'d rank it right up there with the Xbox and Gamecube launch, nothing spectacular. The only thing it had goin\' for it was a lot of hype and lies.
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If you had your way, this whole forum would be nothing but PS3 hype and sucking Sony\'s nuts, it\'s not that way. I am not bothering you, you can set me to ignore - I don\'t care. I am simply stating a fact, they lied numerous times about the PS2, so why believe them when it comes to the PS3. I\'m sorry that you can\'t accept that.
Sorry, but no ; a forum stands by freedom of speech. Specifically this subboard should be devide of pure pro or anti fanboyism. It\'s not about me versus you or you versus me. We\'re all friends here, right ?
The forum would be bothered though, by attitudes which write off any given gaming platform based on bias towards the company which is creating it.
You state people are ignoring a certain \'fact\', yet you deny that many PS2 gamers enjoyed their PS2 games....
Because your arguments suggest that, in no way, it delivered \'the goods\' so to say :
I think I can sincerely speak for myself and many other gamers, we truly enjoyed our games on PS2. Nobody can deny that another person didn\'t have fun playing a game even if that person didn\'t like a single PS2 game him or herself. That\'s the ultimate evidence as to why such PS2 games should be recognized and it forms a sane base to look forward to PS3 gaming.
Furthermore ; anticipation for such PS3 games doesn\'t mean, in any way, sucking up Sony. Personally, I look forward too some games on all platforms.
It\'s like with stores or brands.. if i don\'t like it I\'m leaving, not brand blinded at all.
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Sorry, but no ; a forum stands by freedom of speech. Specifically this subboard should be devide of pure pro or anti fanboyism. It\'s not about me versus you or you versus me. We\'re all friends here, right ?
The forum would be bothered though, by attitudes which write off any given gaming platform based on bias towards the company which is creating it.
You state people are ignoring a certain \'fact\', yet you deny that many PS2 gamers enjoyed their PS2 games....
Because your arguments suggest that, in no way, it delivered \'the goods\' so to say :
I think I can sincerely speak for myself and many other gamers, we truly enjoyed our games on PS2. Nobody can deny that another person didn\'t have fun playing a game even if that person didn\'t like a single PS2 game him or herself. That\'s the ultimate evidence as to why such PS2 games should be recognized and it forms a sane base to look forward to PS3 gaming.
Furthermore ; anticipation for such PS3 games doesn\'t mean, in any way, sucking up Sony. Personally, I look forward too some games on all platforms.
It\'s like with stores or brands.. if i don\'t like it I\'m leaving, not brand blinded at all.
1: I never denied that people enjoyed their PS2 systems and games.
2: You try to pass the PS2 off as "PS2 GAMING". There was no "PS2 GAMING", it was just a graphical step up from the PSONE. Nothing more.
3: It didn\'t deliver the "goods" if you compare it to what Sony had promised. If you didn\'t believe the hype or ignored it, then fine, the system was fine. However, Sony hyped it up to do a lot of things they knew it could never do. This directly effects how some people, like myself, view anything Sony says about the PS3.
How hard is that for you to understand?
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as hard for you to understand what these are and why it\'s lame to argue them (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=semantics)
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Meh, Toy Story graphics really wasn\'t a big deal.
Wasn\'t the only time Toy Story graphics were mentioned was once in an off-the-cuff comment by Kutaragi? After that, the media took over and blew it out of proportion. I remember arguing once that Sony never stated that the PS2 was capable of Toy Story graphics, and after a long arduous search, someone found the one measly little quote from Kutaragi. What were the other lies Sony stated?
Certainly not much different from XBox\'s "Three times more powerful than any other console on the market" strategy.
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Meh, Toy Story graphics really wasn\'t a big deal.
Wasn\'t the only time Toy Story graphics were mentioned was once in an off-the-cuff comment by Kutaragi? After that, the media took over and blew it out of proportion. I remember arguing once that Sony never stated that the PS2 was capable of Toy Story graphics, and after a long arduous search, someone found the one measly little quote from Kutaragi. What were the other lies Sony stated?
Certainly not much different from XBox\'s "Three times more powerful than any other console on the market" strategy.
Other lies..
George Lucas Episode One reference.
We invented 3D gaming.
The list goes on and on.
Right, it\'s not a lot different than what MS said, except MS didn\'t say near as much and they are not the one we are talkin\' about. Not sure why people like Knotter or MM can\'t grasp the concept of this whole topic...
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the whole topic is who cares?
you don\'t like sony, we get it already
put it in your sig or something
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the whole topic is who cares?
you don\'t like sony, we get it already
put it in your sig or something
I\'ll remember that quote the next time you go on your Wii and Wii-mote bashing. It\'s the same exact thing, well, minus the fact I read the threads before I post and you rarely do.
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not to mention my blatant and recurring accuracy
standardized logic is tough to counter
then again, if i\'m using the wii controller as a basis of my argument in 10 years (like your doing), please shoot me
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if i\'m using the wii controller as a basis of my argument in 10 years (like your doing), please shoot me
What was that?
-Dan
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smartarse............
:running:
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21 years ago.
Standardized logic, FTW ;]
-Dan
//Gyromite > Warhawk
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Uhm..*raises hand slowly* what is ftw?..:confused:
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It used to mean F*** the world, but on the internets, kids use it as "for the win."
It\'s geeky.
The newest rage is "IIRC" which took me forever to figure out, but means "if I recall correctly." Only faggots use that, if I recall correctly.
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It used to mean F*** the world, but on the internets, kids use it as "for the win."
It\'s geeky.
The newest rage is "IIRC" which took me forever to figure out, but means "if I recall correctly." Only faggots use that, if I recall correctly.
thanks...i was tryin to figure it out on my own for awhile now..i didn\'t have a clue...:) lol @ "IIRC"
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welcome to the internet
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There\'s no arguement. LIC just said Sony lied before so be careful that they may be lying now.
It\'s a fact and a suggestion, not an arguement.
Oh ok. Like what shouldnt I believe now?
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I don\'t know, the computer thing, for one. The innovation thing, for another.
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I don\'t know, the computer thing, for one. The innovation thing, for another.
1) Whats so extraordinary about the computer thing?
2) What innovation exactly are you refering to and why the needless overattention to a word?