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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Eiksirf on June 01, 2006, 11:07:52 AM
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I\'m no graphics guy, but this is a good thing?
Frames per second never meant much to be except during slow down fits...
EN: We\'ve been hearing a lot of consistent talk about 60fps at 480p widescreen from other developers. Is this something we\'ll see a lot of on Wii?
XP: I believe so yes.
EN: Why is this target so easy to hit?
XP: The hardware is totally free of bottlenecks, nothing is slowing us down.
EN = fan site. XP = guy from Ubisoft.
-Dan
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Great news :)
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so we get gamecube quality graphics at 60fps?
innovation ftw!
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If any next gen console has a problem cranking out 60fps @ 848x480p then they need to implement Intel\'s brand new MMX technology from 1992
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It\'s actually more along the lines of Xbox graphics at 60 fps.
And at that low of a resolution, Xbox graphics are about the same as Xbox 360 (I was underwhelmed when I first fired up Xbox 360, on a lame tv.)
The graphics limitations vs. cost ceiling that the industry is smacking up against is exactly the cause for Nintendo\'s innovation this generation.
They have a profitable system with a hook and it inspires creativity. There\'s your ftw. ;]
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so we get gamecube quality graphics at 60fps?
innovation ftw!
The fact that we get gamecube quality graphics isnt like the best thing ever, Actually its bad but constant 60fps sure are great news. And its graphics are better than GCs
And I dont think mixing the controller\'s "innovation" with graphics is wise
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so we get gamecube quality graphics at 60fps?
innovation ftw!
shaddup troll
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ask nintendo how many people own HD tv\'s today that they don\'t support.
3 years from now?
yeah, right..
:rolleyes:
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ask nintendo how many people own HD tv\'s today that they don\'t support.
3 years from now?
yeah, right..
:rolleyes:
But why should people care when they are buying Wii for a different experience than visual splendour?
:confused:
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and what happens when that novelty (gimmick) wears off?
and wii games are repeatedly knocked for subpar graphics?
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If it is proven a gimmick and people dont buy it for the different experience anymore, then yes Nintendo will be in deep shit but thats an IF. A big one too.
Just wait and see. I ve seen a video at youtube of someone playing Warhawk using motion sensing with only one hand and it doesnt seem as tiring or as stupid as the demonstration at Sony\'s Pre-E3 conference. Seems easy and enjoyable.
So why not Wii?
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do i have to point out the differences between the PS3 and Wii controllers?
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It\'s easy to always see the negative side, mm. I could pick apart nearly everything if I wanted to, even things I like.
The fact of the matter is, constant 60fps is an admirable goal. I\'ll take a smooth 60fps over "normal mapping on every surface" any day. I\'d prefer both, but clearly the technology isn\'t there yet if you want high-complexity scenes.
Remember that many major Xbox/GCN games (90% of the "pretty" ones) were 30fps. Titles like KOTOR consistently dipped lower.
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60fps was an admiral goal 6 years ago with the ps1 launch
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do i have to point out the differences between the PS3 and Wii controllers?
No you dont. The point is motion sensing can be very fun and the Wii controller was designed with that in mind
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60fps was an admiral goal 6 years ago with the ps1 launch
Not that it could even do it half the time if ever.
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...which is why it was an admiral goal
:banghead:
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There is nothing bad about a rocksolid locked 30 frames per second game engine.
Though it\'s nice to hear Ubi\'s confident on bringing 60 to the Wii. I hope for their sake it won\'t suffer to many rigorous framedrops.
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and what happens when that novelty (gimmick) wears off?
and wii games are repeatedly knocked for subpar graphics?
You mean like all of the DS games compared to the PSP?
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do they even make 3rd party games for the DS?
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do they even make 3rd party games for the DS?
Alright. You\'re just trolling now. I\'m out.
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do they even make 3rd party games for the DS?
Castlevania?
Brain Age?
Electroplankton?
List goes on and on.
And even if it didn\'t, Nintendo has delivered more than enough solid high quality first party titles to make it the handheld to own.
Like Samurai said, you\'re just trollin\' now.
Just for fun..
PSP list of games that got a 9.0 or above on IGN.
Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror Shooter 9.3 3/10/2006
WipEout Pure Racing Action 9.3 3/18/2005
Ridge Racer Racing 9.1 3/17/2005
Daxter Platformer 9.0 3/09/2006
Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories
DS list of games that got a 9.0 or above on IGN.
New Super Mario Bros. Platformer 9.5 5/06/2006
Mario Kart DS Racing 9.5 11/11/2005
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow Action Adventure 9.3 10/04/2005
Metroid Prime: Hunters Shooter 9.0 3/21/2006
Tetris DS Puzzle 9.0 3/15/2006
Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time RPG 9.0 11/28/2005
Sonic Rush Action 9.0 11/11/2005
Advance Wars: Dual Strike Strategy 9.0 8/19/2005
Meteos Puzzle 9.0 6/24/2005
Kirby Canvas Curse Action 9.0 6/10/2005
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how many of those are first party games on that list?
and a kirby title?
was it "bring your kids to work day" at IGN?
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdsmedia.ign.com%2Fds%2Fimage%2Farticle%2F614%2F614229%2Fkirby-canvas-curse-20050515001906176.jpg&hash=ccef0b3ca28b8a3e19461f9d254fa5222d02529a)
wtf
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Aww what\'s the matter? Too many colors to be good?
Kirby was actually a very good game that wouldn\'t have been possible on a conventional console. They took the tech-demo feel of Yoshi and turned it into a full-fledged game that was, best of all, fun to play.
But what good is a quality game when it has bright colors, huh?
Off the top of my head, here\'s the list of first party games:
New Super Mario Bros. Platformer 9.5 5/06/2006
Mario Kart DS Racing 9.5 11/11/2005
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow Action Adventure 9.3 10/04/2005
Metroid Prime: Hunters Shooter 9.0 3/21/2006
Tetris DS Puzzle 9.0 3/15/2006
Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time RPG 9.0 11/28/2005
Sonic Rush Action 9.0 11/11/2005
Advance Wars: Dual Strike Strategy 9.0 8/19/2005
Meteos Puzzle 9.0 6/24/2005
Kirby Canvas Curse Action 9.0 6/10/2005
Quite a bit!
-Dan
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I forgot, if it doesn\'t have a political storyline, black and grey for colors, then it can\'t be a good game.
Thanks for reminding me!
Play the game before you start trying to debate if it deserved it\'s score or not. I simply pointed out one reason the DS is doin\' better than the PSP. Quality games. Does it matter if they are first party or third party? No. They are still quality games. If anything, it just shows Nintendo is commited to the Nintendo DS, where as Sony is letting the PSP just sit out there and collect dust.
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I prefer Nintendo first party to 3rd parties anyways.
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they\'de be bankrupt is 92.5% of all nintendo fans didn\'t feel that way
good thing for mario, eh?
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what is your point exactly
nin 1st and 2nd party games will always be great
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they\'de be bankrupt is 92.5% of all nintendo fans didn\'t feel that way
good thing for mario, eh?
Goin\' with Jump on this - what\'s your point?
You are bashing Nintendo for delivering constant quality first party title games - what\'s the point there? Not to mention you make it sound as if Mario is their only title.
You\'re bashing now, just to be bashing. You at least use to try and come up with a valid reason.
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valid reason (http://www.answers.com/topic/one-trick-pony)
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they\'de be bankrupt is 92.5% of all nintendo fans didn\'t feel that way
good thing for mario, eh?
What do you mean?
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Their one trick is consistently making amazing games?
I\'ll take it!
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valid reason (http://www.answers.com/topic/one-trick-pony)
Too bad that a "one trick pony" would mean games that follow only one genre, which Nintendo does not do.
Move on.
Oh and like Jump said..
If "one trick pony" means make constant quality games, then yea, sign me up.
:thumb:
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yay, new cool ways to control mario and the gang!
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yay, new cool ways to control mario and the gang!
No one mentioned control. You\'re starting to rank up there with Clowd on this whole subject. No one mentioned control at all. You complained about the graphics, somehow the thread got derailed into a PSP > DS topic and Eik, Jump and I simply explained why the DS is rockin\' over the PSP. Constant, solid first party games.
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Castlevania?
Brain Age?
Electroplankton?
List goes on and on.
And even if it didn\'t, Nintendo has delivered more than enough solid high quality first party titles to make it the handheld to own.
Like Samurai said, you\'re just trollin\' now.
Just for fun..
PSP list of games that got a 9.0 or above on IGN.
Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror Shooter 9.3 3/10/2006
WipEout Pure Racing Action 9.3 3/18/2005
Ridge Racer Racing 9.1 3/17/2005
Daxter Platformer 9.0 3/09/2006
Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories
DS list of games that got a 9.0 or above on IGN.
New Super Mario Bros. Platformer 9.5 5/06/2006
Mario Kart DS Racing 9.5 11/11/2005
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow Action Adventure 9.3 10/04/2005
Metroid Prime: Hunters Shooter 9.0 3/21/2006
Tetris DS Puzzle 9.0 3/15/2006
Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time RPG 9.0 11/28/2005
Sonic Rush Action 9.0 11/11/2005
Advance Wars: Dual Strike Strategy 9.0 8/19/2005
Meteos Puzzle 9.0 6/24/2005
Kirby Canvas Curse Action 9.0 6/10/2005
just for fun
DS Gamespot top games
http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=top_rated&platform=1026&page_type=games
PSP Gamespot top games
http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=top_rated&platform=1024&page_type=games
I like the 7 figures those ds games seem to get a lot of. Amazing what sites you go to give different results. Hence why i barely bother to use them for personal opinions.. I prefer psp over DS anyday, can do far more with it. Thats why i bought it. You could show me every DS game that gets 10 outta 10.. doesn\'t mean i\'ll want it, or should buy it.
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yay, new cool ways to control mario and the gang!
Well it worked well on the DS. Why not on Wii?
Why is it so bad?
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Their one trick is consistently making amazing games?
I\'ll take it!
So amazing that the majority of console owners and gamers in general remain completley un-interested.
The numbers don\'t lie. Nintendo fans love Nintendo games, consoles, and they are a loyal bunch, but a minority in the overall gaming community.
Most gamers are not sucking on the Nintendo teet, and most of us don\'t really see what makes Nintendo games so great for die-hard Nintendo fans.
For the last 10 + years I haven\'t been able to figure out why Nintendo still has console fans.... I honestly just do not see anything that really stands out over the competiton.
I still think nintendo should stop trying to make consoles and stick with hand helds and being a multi platorm game developer, but with their new low cost Wii they might have carved out a profitable niche in the console cellar.
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So amazing that the majority of console owners and gamers in general remain completley un-interested.
The numbers don\'t lie. Nintendo fans love Nintendo games, consoles, and they are a loyal bunch, but a minority in the overall gaming community.
Most gamers are not sucking on the Nintendo teet, and most of us don\'t really see what makes Nintendo games so great for die-hard Nintendo fans.
For the last 10 + years I haven\'t been able to figure out why Nintendo still has console fans.... I honestly just do not see anything that really stands out over the competiton.
I still think nintendo should stop trying to make consoles and stick with hand helds and being a multi platorm game developer, but with their new low cost Wii they might have carved out a profitable niche in the console cellar.
Just like I see nothing special about the PSone or PS2. When I think of both consoles, I think of "lifeless" or "souless". The games just don\'t reach out and grab me, as there is only a few games each console that I could care about (PSONE - Castlevania:SOTN, RE2..PS2 Mark of Kri, Kolona 2). Same with Xbox. The only console that has really interested me in the last generation is the DC, one before that was the Saturn, more specfic, the Japanese Saturn. This generation it\'s the Wii.
Then again, I really don\'t understand your point. You say they should become a third party developer - why? The console industry is protifable for them. Why is it profitable? Because they have the most well known franchises. Why do the have the most well known franchises? Because they take their time with them and make top quality first and second party games. It\'s really that simple.. As for carving out a "niche", welcome to the last decade, Nintendo has had a nice niche for a decade now, it isn\'t as if they have been reporting losses over the years. Instead they continue to make money off each handheld, each franchise and yes, each console.
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So amazing that the majority of console owners and gamers in general remain completley un-interested.
The numbers don\'t lie. Nintendo fans love Nintendo games, consoles, and they are a loyal bunch, but a minority in the overall gaming community.
Most gamers are not sucking on the Nintendo teet, and most of us don\'t really see what makes Nintendo games so great for die-hard Nintendo fans.
For the last 10 + years I haven\'t been able to figure out why Nintendo still has console fans.... I honestly just do not see anything that really stands out over the competiton.
I still think nintendo should stop trying to make consoles and stick with hand helds and being a multi platorm game developer, but with their new low cost Wii they might have carved out a profitable niche in the console cellar.
i agreed with everything you stated up until the part about nintendo not makin\' consoles,...i\'ll admit when i go and check out games for gamecube,..there isn\'t any games that interest me on that platform,...i\'m not a mario or zelda fan,..and those cart games to me are bulls**t,..but my son and his friends love it...and that is one of the aspects of nintendo that i know i can always count on...games for the younger set. they are already dominating the handheld mrkt for reasons mentioned earlier, and lastly i just have alot of respect for them..they really do take care of their franchises,..and even when any of their 1st party games aren\'t that strong..*mario sunshine*<----i\'ve played that, they produce high production values to their games....mario has come a long way and is still the mascot for nintendo, while both sonic & crash bandicoot have sold their souls and have gone multi-platform...
in the last days of the trash talking mascots i can still remember that classic commercial where crash bandicoot was out in front of nintendo headquarters callin\' out mario..:p...ultimately tho mario had the last laugh...so at the end of the day there still and always will be a place for nintendo in the console market,..while sony and microsoft continue to throw bombs and kill each-other tryin to be the all in one,..i think nintendo will continue to chugg along through the smoke of ms and sony and consistently continue to make quality games for their audience.
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Nintendo\'s surprisingly unique strategy of maintaining a consistent profit margin is a good way for them to do just what you describe. Even if they don\'t reclaim huge amounts of marketshare, they continue to be profitable.
Worst case, they just have to keep from being obsolete. From going the way of N-Gage or, say, 3DO.
In my opinion, their current trend was bringing them that way, with millions dropping in sales per generation. But this new strategy with Wii and DS has them poised to pick up some of that lost marketshare and continue making money into the next generation of consoles, five to ten years from now.
-Dan
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Nintendo\'s surprisingly unique strategy of maintaining a consistent profit margin is a good way for them to do just what you describe. Even if they don\'t reclaim huge amounts of marketshare, they continue to be profitable.
Worst case, they just have to keep from being obsolete. From going the way of N-Gage or, say, 3DO.
In my opinion, their current trend was bringing them that way, with millions dropping in sales per generation. But this new strategy with Wii and DS has them poised to pick up some of that lost marketshare and continue making money into the next generation of consoles, five to ten years from now.
-Dan
And I think Nintendo realized this. They are set in their ways enough to know they don\'t want to aim towards the "mature" audience (i.e, GTA / Halo lovers), but they are also smart enough to know that they needed to do something different. Producing an affordable console is a great idea, espically in the mdist of Xbox 360 and PS3 price tags. Add in classic franchises and the Wii-Mote, it\'ll get attention from non-gamers and finally, with the virtual console, you get the old hardcore / diehard fans who can\'t wait to load up some classic games.
I just picked up a DS and I\'m lovin\' it so far. Can\'t wait until my Castlevania game arrives in the mail.
:thumb:
Oh and before someone says I\'m Nintendo biased, I\'m not. That\'d be Eik! My soul stil belongs to those good ole\' Sega consoles..
;)