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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: clips on June 02, 2006, 10:01:29 PM
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found this at gamespy,..it\'s a small article stating how much of a loss sony is takin\' on their console..it\'s kinda astronomical....
http://ps2.gamespy.com/articles/710/710710p1.html
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$715 huh.. I wonder how much the 360 is estimated out out of the factory.
Hope Sony does well in the PS3, they should really just stick to electronics.
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Merrill Lynch predicted a 900$ price tag too
:rolleyes:
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Then there\'s the R&D and marketing costs to make up, too.
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Merrill Lynch predicted a 900$ price tag too
:rolleyes:
Difference is Sony has made its own estimations as well and we are talking about nearly a billion of loss
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and after they sell 100+ million of them?
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Im buying the PS3 and all, but I know for a fact there aren\'t 100 million others that would pay the same price I would for a PS3 ($600)
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and after they sell 100+ million of them?
Thats a different subject and needs a deeper discussion
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Im buying the PS3 and all, but I know for a fact there aren\'t 100 million others that would pay the same price I would for a PS3 ($600)
I assume that somewhere over the next 10 years the price may drop a little bit.
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Im buying the PS3 and all, but I know for a fact there aren\'t 100 million others that would pay the same price I would for a PS3 ($600)
but the mass majority of PS2 owners and PSX owners never paid launch price for their consoles either.
Add in the fact that ebay will have PS3\'s for sale at 2x\'s - 3x\'s the launch price you can understand why Sony isn\'t sweating their launch release price much. If system scalpers can make huge profits at launch, then obvioulsy Sony should be able to cash in on this as well.
Once supply catches up with demand Sony will be getting ready for a price break. Sony\'s #1 goal is still the same as last gen and the gen before that. Get systems into the hands of as many people you can as fast as you can and then make your profits through software, licensing, periphials, and in the case of the PS3, blu-ray, downloadable content etc...
I personally see Sony having at least a $100 price reduction by Xmas 2007. Still spendy, but there will be games ready by 2007 that many will fork over big bucks for as well as get a blu-ray player in the process.
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I personally see Sony having at least a $100 price reduction by Xmas 2007. Still spendy, but there will be games ready by 2007 that many will fork over big bucks for as well as get a blu-ray player in the process.
just found this,...if microsoft does this, combined with the already projected lower price of the wii, this christmas season will be very interesting for sony...
i believe they will still get the sales, but i\'m not so sure if they will get them from the average consumer....of course nothing is set in stone just yet,..this is after all still a rumor,..but ms has pockets deep enough to do it...
http://www.cgno.com/news/1038.html
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Kutaragi said the PS3 will follow the PSP model in price cuts. That is, there won\'t be very many, or they won\'t happen as frequently.
Merrill Lynch predicted a 900$ price tag too
That was before the correction. I think it ended up at $800. Pretty close.
just found this,...if microsoft does this, combined with the already projected lower price of the wii, this christmas season will be very interesting for sony...
i believe they will still get the sales, but i\'m not so sure if they will get them from the average consumer....of course nothing is set in stone just yet,..this is after all still a rumor,..but ms has pockets deep enough to do it...
Wow. $100. Do they really need to do that given that the PS3 is already more expensive? I wouldn\'t put it past them, because as you said they have the money to do it. That and they need to get as many 360\'s into homes as possible if they want to give Sony a run for their money.
A $300 premium...with Viva Pinata, Gears of War, and Forza 2 coming this Fall...yummy.
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I dont\' think they will be selling at a loss if you think about it. They own the sole license to blu-ray (I believe they are the largest investor). They are getting money from every blu-ray disk sold, movie, game, etc. They will make up the loss of the PS3 to the blu-ray and their own hardware and shit.
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Wii want Sony to fail.
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Wii want Sony to fail.
Cute.
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Wow. $100. Do they really need to do that given that the PS3 is already more expensive? I wouldn\'t put it past them, because as you said they have the money to do it. That and they need to get as many 360\'s into homes as possible if they want to give Sony a run for their money.
A $300 premium...with Viva Pinata, Gears of War, and Forza 2 coming this Fall...yummy.
If MS screws up this opportunity they deserve to be openly rediculed IMO.
This is there chance, not lowering the price would be the ultimate boneheaded move. They could back Sony up against the ropes in the early going.
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Something very very interesting I ve learned about recently.
I went to a videogame store two days ago and I asked about the PS3 and if it\'s going to be available in their store in November.
He told me the cheap version will be around 250 pounds, while they havent got any information on the pricing of the more expensive version yet.
The interesting part is that the premium version of the 360 also costs 250. The cheap PS3 can do much more than the premium 360 and is being sold at the same price.
Seems like a bargain
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If MS screws up this opportunity they deserve to be openly rediculed IMO.
This is there chance, not lowering the price would be the ultimate boneheaded move. They could back Sony up against the ropes in the early going.
The question is if they need to. They\'re still selling at a loss so I don\'t know how keen they are on increasing that loss, especially given the racking debt acquired from the first Xbox venture.
I don\'t know the situation outside of the U.S., but here it\'s still doing quite well. People will see a cheaper 360 with more games than the much more expensive PS3. Not to mention that games like Gears of War look as good as anything on PS3. Then there\'s the strong possibliity it\'s going to be hard as hell to find a PS3 this holiday. Microsoft could do well by just looking pretty and being available.
Also, going in to early 2007...Halo 3 is going move a lot of 360\'s regardless of the console\'s price. I think they stand to make more money at the current price.
I think we\'ll see a price drop in late summer of 2007. After the initial Halo 3 rush, and before Grand Theft Auto IV drops in October.
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here\'s another article by an analyst who feels ps3 could possibly come in last place this gen...it generally discusses everything we\'ve been talkin about here, and like me and a few others have stated, i think the price of this thing is going to hurt sony in the end...can sony really afford to come in third? it seems that they need to come in 1st just to break even...we\'ll see....
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6153458.html
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I really have to call that article into question. He compares consoles to coke, among other specious arguements. The simple fact is, while very expensive, the PS3 is promising to deliver on that price point in a big way. It\'s not marketed at the child, youth, or teen market, but at the adult market, and that\'s a market with lots of money and interest in the PS3. Almost everyone I know who bought a PS2 is looking forward to the PS3 in a big way, and even though they are a bit pissed at the price, they have started saving already.
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Almost everyone I know is pissed at the price and are now turning their attention towards the wii and 360. Sony lost a lot of support by releasing that price tag. They gave people way too much time to dwell on the price point. I still doubt they\'ll come in third...or even second for that matter.
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Cute.
cute just like the idea of the Wii.....
is that seriously the best name you can come up with for a video game system?
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He didn\'t come up with it.
I was going to preorder a PS3 but given the price, I\'ve changed my mind. I have an Xbox 360 I barely use, I don\'t need another. I\'ll go for the Wii and experiment with the new controller and ideas.
But that\'s me.
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cute just like the idea of the Wii.....
is that seriously the best name you can come up with for a video game system?
Yes...yes it is.
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I have no need for a PS3, if I want "next generation" graphics, I can go Xbox 360, as Sony only has two third party titles that are currently "exclusive" that I am even remotely interested in. If I want killer first party titles, I\'ll go Wii. Guess what? I can buy a core 360 and Wii for the price of a good PS3 and to me, that is insane.
Everyone is different, but I think after the new year , we\'ll see the sales slow down and people rethink the price tag of a PS3. Then again, I\'m not sold on Blu-Ray, just like I wasn\'t sold on UMD (which by the way, is on it\'s way out).
Sony is cutting back on new releases and adding to its comedy slate for PSP with Monty Python content and Not Another Teen Movie. The studio realized that comedy was the way to go when Napoleon Dynamite became their top selling UMD.
The studios and Sony also have to deal with the retail outlets that have been slowly cutting down shelf space for UMD movies.
In the end, all sides have become disappointed with the consumer demand at this point in time.
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I have no need for a PS3, if I want "next generation" graphics, I can go Xbox 360, as Sony only has two third party titles that are currently "exclusive" that I am even remotely interested in. If I want killer first party titles, I\'ll go Wii. Guess what? I can buy a core 360 and Wii for the price of a good PS3 and to me, that is insane.
you even think in the long run? Im kind of expecting PS3 and 360 to be the same for maybe a little over a year...since companies are still figuring out how to best use the systems.
Would think that after a while the companies could keep making games better(graphics, physics, etc) with the PS3 since, on paper, it\'s stronger..but i might be wrong.
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can we please stop whining about the price?
get a better job if you are a gamer and want to play the latest games.
you\'re going to buy one eventually
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can we please stop whining about the price?
get a better job if you are a gamer and want to play the latest games.
you\'re going to buy one eventually
You\'re right, I will, I\'ll buy one USED, that way Sony makes no profit off of me. When the system is two years or so old, I\'ll walk down to the local pawn shop and pick one up for half that price.
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can we please stop whining about the price?
get a better job if you are a gamer and want to play the latest games.
you\'re going to buy one eventually
It\'s not about the price to me, it\'s about principal. Even if I had Bill Gates fortune 10 times over I still wouldn\'t buy a ps3 because consoles ARE NOT suposed to be that damn high. $ony will learn that. Just ask SNK who made the NEO Geo and 3DO about that.
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It\'s not about the price to me, it\'s about principal. Even if I had Bill Gates fortune 10 times over I still wouldn\'t buy a ps3 because consoles ARE NOT suposed to be that damn high. $ony will learn that. Just ask SNK who made the NEO Geo and 3DO about that.
Wow, you really don\'t know anything about why its so high, do you? Get your facts straight before you start posting stupid shit.
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Wow, you really don\'t know anything about why its so high, do you? Get your facts straight before you start posting stupid shit.
Your fanboyism is clouting your sense of reality dude.
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It\'s not about the price to me, it\'s about principal. Even if I had Bill Gates fortune 10 times over I still wouldn\'t buy a ps3 because consoles ARE NOT suposed to be that damn high. $ony will learn that. Just ask SNK who made the NEO Geo and 3DO about that.
And in principal you\'re living in the year 1996, right?
or was that the year you were born?
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SNK didn\'t have 3rd party support from EVERY major developer in the industry, either.
they only had killer 1st party titles...like nintendo.
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Your fanboyism is clouting your sense of reality dude.
Yes, I\'m a fanboy especially since I hold loyalty to Nintendo also. Yes, because I took a shot at you, I\'m automatically a Sony fanboy. Nah, that can\'t be it but you\'re own stupidity.
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SNK didn\'t have 3rd party support from EVERY major developer in the industry, either.
they only had killer 1st party titles...like nintendo.
Yea but even the developers are worried about the price. Ubisoft being one of them.
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Who gives a shit about the price. People are still gonna buy it. People are still gonna buy developers games.
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Who gives a shit about the price.
Consumers, mostly.
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The price is only a minor problem IF the games prove they truly deliver substantial improvement over the competition.
Until now ; not many (or none) of the announced/revealed PS3 titles have
done this.
Unless they\'ve got some magical tricks up their sleeves, Sony\'s in for a very tough next gen console war which it might not win.
Also, the whole controversy around the PSP \'White\' ad, illustrates that Sony management might be a bit lost atm....
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Like everything the price will drop, then people will buy it. You do have to notice its pretty much no longer a console, more like a portable pc. You get what you pay for...
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When its competition is half the cost, yes, price matters. Sony has a lot of work to do to convince average joe consumer he needs a portable pc when he has one sitting on his desk and a console thats half the price with comprable graphics sitting by the TV.
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I wouldn\'t say it\'s a portable PC. I mean, I guess you could use the harddrive... But it\'s basically a console/Blu-Ray DVD player.
Hey, will PS3 play regular DVDs?
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It should play regular DVDs. Aren\'t some of the games gonna be on DVD or are they all gonna be on Blu-ray?
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I\'ve heard they\'d all be Blu-Ray but that would sound like unfounded speculation to me if I didn\'t imagine Sony wanting to boost production of BR discs to get the costs down...
I dunno!
-Dan
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PS3 does playback dvd and cd to be backward compatible with ps2 and psone games and it does playback dvd-video too.
All PS3 games will be in Blu Ray format to make it harder to pirate games. And of course, ps3 can play blu ray videos too.
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I would hope they play blu ray videos after all I\'m paying and what they throw into it.
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I\'m more interested in the fact that on the average, HD-DVD movie\'s are getting better reviews than Blu-Ray in the video catergory. Both launches sucked tho\'.
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/hd.php
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"Terminator 2 debuts on the Blu-ray format as one of the premiere launch titles from Lionsgate Entertainment. The disc contains only the film\'s 137-minute theatrical cut, not the 154-minute Special Edition version that has been released innumerable times on the VHS, laserdisc, and DVD formats since 1993. Undoubtedly this is due to space constraints with the current state of the Blu-ray format."
what does the bolded part mean? the blu-ray discs suck right now and will get better?
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it means that Terminator 2 was released in single layered for the blu ray format. It might get better if it re-release again in at least dual layer or more for more options...
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Interesting link site LiC, the reviewers bring up some interesting points about the movies/formats. That said, looking back at their reviews and chat for a little while, it sure seems like they had their minds made up about which format they prefered before the HD releases hit the shelves.
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Sony is trying to market the ps3 as more than just a conosle to make up for the insane price. Yes I do believe at launch they will sell units. Overall I see 360 having a better holiday season than sony. There will be alot more games out for the 360. The graphics on both console are on par. And if Microsoft wanted to lower the price of the 360 they couuld.
Sony will end up realizing that they are going to have to take an even larger hit on the console to get them in peoples homes. The goal is to get the console in consumers homes not have them sitting on store shelves.
There really is no justification for a $600 console at this point in time. If I am going to pay $600 for console. It better be producing Toy Story type graphics.
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Sony is trying to market the ps3 as more than just a conosle to make up for the insane price.
I agree and I kind of wished these companies would just stick to gaming. Even though the PS3 will play Blue Ray I\'d still have a stand-alone unit. I don\'t need my game machine to play movies etc.
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i\'m with you there, I got a PC to do everything... I want a console just to game on.
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Nintendo\'s games-centric mantra is catching on with Microsoft and Sony paid it a little lipservice at E3. We might see the entire industry shift back to software come next gen...
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^^^
I certainly hope so
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I was pissed about the price tag, but I will still buy a PS3 anyway. Why? PS1 and PS2 have both been good experiences for me, and history shows they will come through again.
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History also shows that the 3rd home console from each major company has been an unmigitated disaster for one reason or another.
Case in point, the Nintendo 64 and Sega Saturn... both considered low points in their respective console families.
Why is this? Something to do with cockiness, I\'d assume. Maybe bad luck. Sony is unstoppably cocky with the PS3, I know that.
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I\'ve just finished reading your "Is Sony in trouble" article, and I have to say, while many of your arguments were fairly spot-on, your predictions at the end contradicted everything you\'ve argued about. "PS3 might have a problem with Cell, PS3 will have a lot of work if it wants to sell Blu-Ray, PS3 is showing a slim launch window," just to say at the end "Oh, we think PS3 will be the best." Sure, it\'s easy to say, but I\'d like to counter-argue your article, if I may.
For starters, you\'ve talked about how $600 is "a deal" to the public considering what you get. But think about it. I already have a computer. I already have a DVD player. I already have videogame systems. And I already have a digital video recorder for my television shows. I paid $30 for my DVD player. It can\'t play videogames, record television, or wash my dishes, but it\'s a damn good DVD player, and that\'s what I paid for. I\'m going to want something that does what it does right, not something that does everything decently.
Secondly, the public is going to note that price point. Honestly, right now, do any of those games look like $660+ worth of fun? I\'ll say it now, I\'m buying a Wii. Why? Because to me the games look like $300+ worth of fun or more.
Third, since I\'m not paid to praise Sony, I\'ll say it like it is. I work in a videogame store. Not your big Gamestops, but a smaller store known as Game Crazy. Let\'s say on average I see 100 customers. Each day, about 45-55 rave about the Wii, how they\'re going to get one, how much fun it will be, etc. About 35-40 declare they\'re picking up a 360 as soon as the price drops, considering many games are beginning to come out at $40-$60. My remaining 5-10 say they\'ll pre-order a PS3 when they get the money. Last time I checked, 5-10% of the market isn\'t good, and my group, while primarily consisting of gamers, includes non-gamers and parents as well.
My point? If the PS3 succeeds at all, it\'ll be in last. Most people will go with the Wii60 combo, mainly for price point, and because as of right now, the game selection is looking more and more superior, from Oblivion and Zelda\'s Twilight Princess to Halo 3 and Super Smash Bros Brawl. My prediction is that it will be close between the Xbox 360 and the Nintendo Wii, with PlayStation 3 trailing along behind, trying to keep the cores in its cell running while claiming Blu-ray is the next big thing.
--Nick OT
here\'s two articles that i got from ign\'s mailbag...i broke it down into two posts so it won\'t be so overwhelming...
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It certainly seems that everyone involved in the article is way too close to the subject to discuss it objectively. The PS3 is going to tank. Not for lack of trying or lack of technical prowess, but because $600.00 is ridiculous.
Obviously the higher ups at Sony have lost touch with their base. I have all the modern systems since the SNES and the only one I actually had to (willingly) sleep on the sidewalk for was the PS2. So I am not a Sony hater/ Xbox fanboy. I consider myself a gamer first and foremost, no favorites. If it\'s good, I will play it. That being said, I consider myself to be on par with the majority of players and Sony can try to justify their actions with WiFi, online this, Blu-ray that -- but at the end of the day, $600 is $600. Only your fringe gamer (of which I used to consider myself one) is going to pay that.
No kid is going to turn down a 360 with Halo 3 and Gears of War for a PS3. They could care less about a Blu-ray. Adults, who have bills to pay and gas that\'s $3.00+ a gallon aren\'t going to blow their rent money on a PS3 when they can have a 360 with Halo 3 and Gears of War. The kids are too apathetic to the technology and the adults are too mature to blow that kind of cash when there are equal (and cheaper) alternatives.
At the end of next year you will see 360 = 50%, Wii = 30%, and PS3 = 20%. And that\'s being nice to Sony. This is a disaster waiting to happen, and unless they come out with alternative packages, and I don\'t mean 360 style packages of HDD or no HDD, they are going to meet an early death. They are going to have to offer significant package differences, like PS3 with Blue-ray = $600.00 and PS3 with DVD = $400.00. Otherwise I will not be buying one, and I know I am not alone.
--David
while i don\'t feel that the ps3 will tank, and i kinda disagree with his percentages, i do strongly agree with alot of what these two letters portray...
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please stop mentioning gears of war like it\'s the 2nd coming of christ. read some previews. they should change the name to gears of monotony
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The whole price issue is still fairly pointless.
Let\'s see factual history :
PAL PS2 : launch November 24th 2000 for € 522. That\'s 670 US Dollars.
It didn\'t even come with a 20Gb HD, let alone a 60Gb HD.
USA PS3 will come with that 20Gb HD for 500 USD
USA PS3 will come with a 60Gb HD + HDMI for 600 USD = € 467 ! That\'s LESS than PAL PS2 at launch !
The 20Gb HD PAL PS3 will be € 499. That\'s € 23 cheaper than PAL PS2 without HD.
The 60Gb HD + HDMI PS3 will be € 599. That\'s € 77 more than PAL PS2 without HD, without HDMI.
I think initial PS3 sales will rocket, then plummet... and gradually pick up steam again ; provided, if the PS3 games in development will impress.
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please stop mentioning gears of war like it\'s the 2nd coming of christ. read some previews. they should change the name to gears of monotony
i will admit i\'am kinda big on gears of war,...but i was mostly agreeing on the price of ps3 and how i kinda feel sony is kinda out of touch with it\'s fan base, by being over-ambituous with it\'s products,..wasn\'t ps2 supposed to be the all in one?...don\'t get me wrong i wanna see sony succeed, and i know they will definitely move units in the holiday season, but what happens after that? i don\'t think sony will bomb, but i think it can ring true for them to be a solid third, or going back and forth between second and third with nintendo...
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PAL PS2 : launch November 24th 2000 for € 522. That\'s 670 US Dollars.
There would not have been an American market for the PS2 at that price.
You guys getting raked over the coals is what will start happening to us if people show they\'re willing to pay so much for a console.
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^ That\'s still beside the point. Of course PAL gamers thought of € 522 as a steep price for the launch PS2. Did it tank ? I don\'t think so...
And factually PS3 brings more hardware per dollar than PS2 ever did.
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For me the PS2 is about twice what I\'m used to paying / would like to pay for a console.
So imagine now that the PS3 was going to cost you € 1000. Is price no longer a big deal?
It\'s expensive and because of the price, I no longer want one.
That means the price is important. Especially because I\'m not the only one who will think that way.
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Yeah, I\'ve officially decided to wait a bit because of the money. I was thinking about how I really shouldn\'t drop a grand come November with the holidays around the corner. I guess I\'ll just wait until the time is right and when stores seem to have more than they can sell. XBox 360 has some good stuff coming and that\'ll hold me for a while.
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^ Indeed, that\'s imo the best thing to do. Sony will have to prove, by means of games, PS3\'s worth the money.
Eventually, when they reveal more and more games in progress (of which alot of them, i\'m sure are pretty high profile games) will be convincing enough to warrant such a purchase.
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The whole price issue is still fairly pointless.
Let\'s see factual history :
PAL PS2 : launch November 24th 2000 for € 522. That\'s 670 US Dollars.
It didn\'t even come with a 20Gb HD, let alone a 60Gb HD.
USA PS3 will come with that 20Gb HD for 500 USD
USA PS3 will come with a 60Gb HD + HDMI for 600 USD = € 467 ! That\'s LESS than PAL PS2 at launch !
The 20Gb HD PAL PS3 will be € 499. That\'s € 23 cheaper than PAL PS2 without HD.
The 60Gb HD + HDMI PS3 will be € 599. That\'s € 77 more than PAL PS2 without HD, without HDMI.
I think initial PS3 sales will rocket, then plummet... and gradually pick up steam again ; provided, if the PS3 games in development will impress.
Well I ve asked in a store about the expected price of the PS3, and if they had the right information the cheaper one will cost around the same price as the premium 360. And still the cheaper PS3 can do so much more than a 360. If thats true it sure is a huge deal if you ask me
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Yes, early adopters will buy them, yes the holiday season will sell out. What about afterwards? People will look at the price and gawk at it. It doesn\'t do all that much, other than play Blu-Ray movies, an unproven format.
You people forget that the general public can\'t drop or won\'t drop this amount of cash on a system. Yes, it has the Sony and hype and brandname, but that can only go so far , after the mad rush, Sony will have to deliver the games otherwise suffer.
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It wont be a problem if they deliver
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It wont be a problem if they deliver
Thanks for adding that useless bit captain obvious.
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You stated the obvious too.You just talked too much.
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Unicron, the PS3 models cost $100 more and $200 more than the premium Xbox 360. You\'re either ok with that or you aren\'t.
And that bit about "it can do so much more than Xbox can" is inane. It can\'t play Halo. It can\'t play Oblivion.
They\'re different platforms that will do different things.
Like it if you want to, but for the right reasons. Like it because you look forward to Heavenly Sword and Resistance: Fall of Man. Like it because you enjoy Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy. Like it because you anticipate another Gran Turismo or another God of War. Like it because you want high definition DVDs and don\'t mind the Blu-Ray format as the way to do that.
I dunno, it\'s just my opinion. I can see defending the PS3 as a worthwhile purchase, just not by way of price tag or its supposedly superior hardware.
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Unicron, the PS3 models cost $100 more and $200 more than the premium Xbox 360. You\'re either ok with that or you aren\'t.
And that bit about "it can do so much more than Xbox can" is inane. It can\'t play Halo. It can\'t play Oblivion.
They\'re different platforms that will do different things.
Like it if you want to, but for the right reasons. Like it because you look forward to Heavenly Sword and Resistance: Fall of Man. Like it because you enjoy Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy. Like it because you anticipate another Gran Turismo or another God of War. Like it because you want high definition DVDs and don\'t mind the Blu-Ray format as the way to do that.
I dunno, it\'s just my opinion. I can see defending the PS3 as a worthwhile purchase, just not by way of price tag or industry leading hardware.
Ahm...you missed the point here. In that shop I was told the PS3 "core" version will cost 350CYP. Thats the same price as the premium 360 in my area. I am not refering to global price because I dont know yet. But I know what I have been told in a shop in my country
Also, the PS3 core has more features than the premium 360 plus the really good games. Thats where I am getting it to. At the same price.
PS3 doesnt seem to have anything to be jealous of the 360 games. So having gaming equal on both, it is a great deal.
I like it for all reasons including games. And indeed its going to have good games, plus the extra features. There is nothing wrong with that.
If we were talking about something more expensive that wont have good games I would have agreed with you but PS3 doesnt fall to that category yet.
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everybody is makin\' solid points as far as ps3 is concerned...and eik..you summed it up perfectly in terms of when and why you should be purchasing a ps3...for me at this point the price is still kinda high, and i kinda have faith that sony will deliver with the games,...also add that i\'m not really that excited about any of these systems....i was kinda amped for the ps2 launch but since then, i feel that i don\'t have to rush out to get the latest and greatest...i have a bunch of games that can hold me over until ps3\'s price goes down...i just played silent hill 3 again for the 3rd time since 2003...:p...those old long adventure/survival horror games will fill the void till then....
oh and uni...i finally seen what cyprus looks like on a map..you\'re really close to all that violence that\'s happening between israel and hezbollah,...if somebody lobs a missle over to that tiny island, it\'s gonna sink!...;)
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All the name calling/capt Obviousing eachother ( very childish behaviour ) aside....
The diversity of opinion around the world ... is enough to warrant PS3 a non-complete failure.
Eiksirf summed it up pretty well though. Of course, there\'s this slight chance those anticipated PS3 games just might prove the arguments for such expensive
components as Cell / Blu Ray, right.
Of course, that might just as well not be the case, to some extent.
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My bad uni, I forgot you were in Cyprus.
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And all you people who think it\'s okay to pay this outrageous price for a system, congratulations, if you do, then just expect to pay this and even more the next generations.
Like it because you want high definition DVDs and don\'t mind the Blu-Ray format as the way to do that.
And in my opinion, this is idiotic. Defend paying an outrageous amount for a game console , so that you can play Blu-Ray films? Am I the only one who buys a system to play games and not movies? Come on. Couple this with insane comments by Sony like. " we don\'t even need launch games" or "its actually cheap" and I refuse to support the company any longer. All they are doing is pissing on the consumers who buy it. Their arrogance is saying that they have no interest in the gaming market and that, in reality, the PS3 is a platform a for movie format. You want to support that, fine, but I will choose to support a platform that is for gaming, because that is what I want of a gaming console.
Ahm...you missed the point here. In that shop I was told the PS3 "core" version will cost 350CYP. Thats the same price as the premium 360 in my area. I am not refering to global price because I dont know yet. But I know what I have been told in a shop in my country
Do you think before you post? Yeah, it\'s the "same price" as PREMIUM 360. So the crippled version of the PS3 is the same price as the non-crippled version of the 360. Brilliant. And when I say, "crippled", I mean lacking features.
All the name calling/capt Obviousing eachother ( very childish behaviour ) aside....
What do you expect? Get over it Mr.Polite / Forum Monitor.
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The fact you feel the need to call me Mr Polite / Forum monitor is evidence you obviously felt like i set you back into your place.
yeah, a real Nice 1
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millions will buy the PS3 solely because it plays Blu-Ray movies
that cannot be denied.
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millions will buy the PS3 solely because it plays Blu-Ray movies
that cannot be denied.
Atleast until blu-ray players aren\'t 4 digits anymore.
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The fact you feel the need to call me Mr Polite / Forum monitor is evidence you obviously felt like i set you back into your place.
yeah, a real Nice 1
You didn\'t "set me back in place" or any of that nosense, I just love how you think anyone cares about what is polite on his forum. Get over it.
millions will buy the PS3 solely because it plays Blu-Ray movies
that cannot be denied.
Today 03:13 PM
Until it happens, it can be denied. Until it happens, you only assume it\'ll happen. Don\'t pass off what may happen as already happening or as a fact.
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And in my opinion, this is idiotic. Defend paying an outrageous amount for a game console , so that you can play Blu-Ray films? Am I the only one who buys a system to play games and not movies?
If someone wants a high def DVD player, this is not idiotic.
Just because you don\'t like this feature doesn\'t mean someone else can\'t.
You are not the only one who buys a game console just for games, but in this day and age, don\'t think for one second that everyone else only considers games and nothing else as well.
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Do you think before you post? Yeah, it\'s the "same price" as PREMIUM 360. So the crippled version of the PS3 is the same price as the non-crippled version of the 360. Brilliant. And when I say, "crippled", I mean lacking features.
1)Exactly. The supposed "crippled" PS3 lacks features compared to the premium PS3 but has more than the "premium" 360.
Who cares if the complete 360 package is called...PREMIUM, when I can get the supposed lacking PS3 version which has MORE features than the PREMIUM 360 [COLOR="red"]at the same price?[/COLOR]
2)Also why do you care about the lacking features when the only thing you care about are games?
3)Like always you are trying to rant about anything PS3 related.
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Well, the extra storage BluRay provides can be pretty nice :
- for ingame sound samples which do not necessarily need ultra quick acces times. Repeating sound samples coupled with improved visuals equals unbalanced progression. It would be nice to see that \'fixed\' by means of BluRay.
You didn\'t "set me back in place" or any of that nosense, I just love how you think anyone cares about what is polite on his forum. Get over it.
Please learn to read. I said \'...you obviously FELT like i set you back into your place\'.
Whatever the case was, you need to get over it. As to what i think about who cares about what on this forum ; your own, false, assumptions.
Anyway...calling people Capt. Obvious all the time just because your opinion on a matter differs from theirs, doesn\'t help clarity of discussion.
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Well, the extra storage BluRay provides can be pretty nice :
To bad they haven\'t made a succesful DL BluRay yet. But if you are just comparing the storage of Bluray > DVD, then, whoopie. You can fit some high res textures and more CGI. How does that enhance the gameplay? Oh, it doesn\'t.
Well, the extra storage BluRay provides can be pretty nice :
- for ingame sound samples which do not necessarily need ultra quick acces times. Repeating sound samples coupled with improved visuals equals unbalanced progression. It would be nice to see that \'fixed\' by means of BluRay.
And that improves the game, how? You get better sound and better graphics. You ignore the gameplay completely. Typical of the people who are all about the PS3. All they want to do is debate what Bluray offers or how the graphics are improved. Sorry, I don\'t care about that. Graphcis, in my opinion, are at a point of diminishing returns. If I want graphics, I\'ll pay for the less expensive Xbox 360 and if I want games, I\'ll buy the Wii. What does that leave for the PS3? Bluray movies? Sorry, if I want high-def movies, I\'ll go HD-DVD.
Well, the extra storage BluRay provides can be pretty nice :
- for ingame sound samples which do not necessarily need ultra quick acces times. Repeating sound samples coupled with improved visuals equals unbalanced progression. It would be nice to see that \'fixed\' by means of BluRay.
Because all the PS3 fanboys do is bring up "features". You all ignore that the features of the PS3 don\'t warrant the price for a game console.
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Well, the extra storage BluRay provides can be pretty nice :
- for ingame sound samples which do not necessarily need ultra quick acces times. Repeating sound samples coupled with improved visuals equals unbalanced progression. It would be nice to see that \'fixed\' by means of BluRay.
Please learn to read. I said \'...you obviously FELT like i set you back into your place\'.
Whatever the case was, you need to get over it. As to what i think about who cares about what on this forum ; your own, false, assumptions.
Anyway...calling people Capt. Obvious all the time just because your opinion on a matter differs from theirs, doesn\'t help clarity of discussion.
Exactly
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i wish i could be there the exact moment when LIC feels like a fool waving the wii controller around like a sword.....
gimmicks != gameplay
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i wish i could be there the exact moment when LIC feels like a fool waving the wii controller around like a sword.....
gimmicks != gameplay
I wish I could be there the exact moment when MM feels like a fool for paying out the ass for a system that offers nothing but enhanced graphics over the last generation..Oh and it plays movies!
:rolleyes:
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Yeah, you guys are both right. Games suck.
I\'m getting into drugs and gang violence instead.
It\'s rad. Try it.
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who said im buying a PS3?
:confused:
and if i was, better graphics > not better graphics + hokey controller
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I wish I could be there the exact moment when MM feels like a fool for paying out the ass for a system that offers nothing but enhanced graphics over the last generation..Oh and it plays movies!
:rolleyes:
You jumped to conclusions already before the console is out?
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Uni, you\'re jumping to conclusions too, they\'re just more optimistic. ;]
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And that improves the game, how? You get better sound and better graphics. You ignore the gameplay completely. Typical of the people who are all about the PS3.
Well, to the contrary. I suggested one possible means of having non or less repitive sound samples in a game.
Repetitive npc text in single player games is still in most current gen games and it\'s kind of annoying to my gameplay experience.
Spoken text cannot, convincingly, be generated by some fancy algorithm like procedural textures ;
So, yeah, more storage could definately help my gameplay experience here.
People might argue "ow.. but it\'s small stuff, not such a big deal" . They forget however, that masterpieces shine, by means of a collective of smaller & subtle, contributing factors.
Of course, people who don\'t like games with spoken text or realistic premise probably care less about such things ; but that\'s such a narrow minded viewpoint.
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Am I the only one who buys a system to play games and not movies?
No, you are not. I am right there with you. I\'ll buy a movie player that I want when I want. I don\'t want my high end DVD/Blue Ray etc in my game system.
I\'d rather spend a grand on a game system that used all of that money to make the games even better.
Anyway, continue on.
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so people are paying 600$ for better graphics, the Blu-ray drive is a bonus. GG lic.
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Uni, you\'re jumping to conclusions too, they\'re just more optimistic. ;]
Guesses and estimations arent exactly absolute conclusions and I am not using them as absolute facts either
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so people are paying 600$ for better graphics, the Blu-ray drive is a bonus. GG lic.
BD movie playback is a bonus, yep.
Blu-Ray is an essential part of the system, not as a movie format but as a games storage format. Several developers are already saying they are limited by the DVD (~7GB of storage) format in the 360. Epic, Starbreeze, Rockstar etc have been pretty vocal on this point.
With Blu-Ray, games can be released as a global SKU, one version for the whole world (this is what Insomniac is doing with Resistance), this will save developers money. This is possible thanks to the extra storage, voices and text in different languages can be saved on the same disc.
Very good for European customers, no need to wait 6 extra months for a game release. ;)
Shorter load times: Since certain data can be duplicated several times on the Blu-Ray disc so the seek times can be lowered. Another bonus for the PS3 is since it now has a HDD as standard games can take advantage of this to cache files to the HDD, lowering load times even more.
Among other things.
So yes, I would pay extra for the Blu-Ray drive in the PS3. :) Movie playback is only a bonus for me, which I of course will take advantage of.
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With Blu-Ray, games can be released as a global SKU, one version for the whole world (this is what Insomniac is doing with Resistance), this will save developers money. This is possible thanks to the extra storage, voices and text in different languages can be saved on the same disc.
Very good for European customers, no need to wait 6 extra months for a game release. ;)
Shorter load times: Since certain data can be duplicated several times on the Blu-Ray disc so the seek times can be lowered. Another bonus for the PS3 is since it now has a HDD as standard games can take advantage of this to cache files to the HDD, lowering load times even more.
Those are good arguments. Of course, it remains to be seen whether they will hold true...