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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: SirMystiq on June 06, 2006, 11:44:42 PM
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As the good liberal I am. I went to go see An Inconvinient Truth.
Sure, alot of that the movie talked about I already knew but I just like to go and hear and see the reactions of others.
What do you all think?
Is global warming real or not?
Is our President a puppet?
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of course global warming is real..theres a hole the size of a continent in our ozone layer. dont have to be a liberal to realize that.
As to if its affecting us, we cant tell yet. The earth goes through periods of being hot/cold, so theres obviously the chance that we\'re going through a period of heat that is making the changes noticeable, or it is global warming that is making doing it...well only know in hindsight. All we can do is try to cut down our affect, but it will only slow it down. Like a lot of scientists believe (and i do to), humans will cause the next great extinction. Maybe not for a while but were obviously having an affect on nature.
i didnt see the movie, and dont plan on it, so im going to guess 50% of people say the presidents a puppet and 45% say he isnt. Im part of the 5% that says everyones stupid, including myself.
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global warming is real but there is NO need for a panic, or even a large concern.
we\'re doing far less damage then we were 50, or even a 100 years ago
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i saw on either the science channel, or the discovery channel that ultimately over time the atmosphere repairs itself over this issue. they made it seem as if global warning was not as big an issue as some believe. i honestly don\'t worry about it cause honestly, there\'s nothing we can do about it. The one thing i do remember when i was living in jersey is that former gov. whitman at the time issued that all or most major companies that you see with smoke comin out of their huge tubular stacks, that they apply these giant filters to cut down on pollution,...if you go down 1 & 9 south by the newark airport, i think that budweiser brewery was one of the first companies to implement it. she would also threaten huge fines to companies that didn\'t comply...
it\'s kinda weird down here tho,..some parts of georgia have vehicle inspections, while others don\'t...:confused:..i just happen to be in the part that doesn\'t have them.:fro:...if you live close or in the city of atlanta you have to have inspections....
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Global warming? Who knows. One thing is for sure, I\'ll be dead before it\'ll matter either way so I\'m just gonna chill. ;)
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global warming is real but there is NO need for a panic, or even a large concern.
we\'re doing far less damage then we were 50, or even a 100 years ago
That is wishful thinking with no basis in reality. The film presents data that clearly shows that the planet is much worse off with regard to greenhouse gases and global temperatures than it has ever been in the last 600,000 years. Even if you look at a narrow slice of time like the last 50-100 years, the quantity of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has been climbing continuously throughout that entire period. It has NOT been improving.
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it\'s a shame that have to do this, but....
Inconvenient Truth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda)
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yeah cause all these scientists have alterior motives and sinister agendas...
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actually....they do
who do you think funds thier "research"
you can\'t be this blind, really
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Global warming is an issue as long as it\'s ignored. The Earth self regulates fairly well (CO2 sinks, many of which multiply rapidly with increased GH gasses), but with our size and technology if people all over the world just consume and destroy, then the world won\'t be able to keep up. Things are getting better, but until a much more planet-friendly solution to transportation than oil is popularized, GW will remain an issue.
The problem is we cause a bit of trouble all over the place, less forests, more driving, higher population, increased agriculture (cows), etc, etc.
Earth is slow in it\'s responses:
Pre-human global warming
It is thought by some geologists that the Earth experienced global warming in the early Jurassic period, with average temperatures rising by 5 °C. Research by the Open University published in Geology (32: 157–160, 2004 [57]) indicates that this caused the rate of rock weathering to increase by 400%. Rock weathering locks away carbon in calcite and dolomite, which are minerals with various degrees of carbon oxides. As a result of this, carbon dioxide levels dropped back to normal over roughly the next 150,000 years.
Since you like wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming)
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I think our affect on the planet has more to do with the quality of air in concentrated areas than affecting the temperature of the entire planet.
Do you think if everyone drove hydrogen vehicles for 5 years and factories were turned off that we\'d see changes in climate? I don\'t think so.
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certainly not in 5 years
50 years, 500?
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Good point, but to quote the great ex-DC Mayor Marion Barry:
"Nobody know."
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I think our affect on the planet has more to do with the quality of air in concentrated areas than affecting the temperature of the entire planet.
Do you think if everyone drove hydrogen vehicles for 5 years and factories were turned off that we\'d see changes in climate? I don\'t think so.
I highly doubt the movie is propaganda. Why would environmentalist do if stricter laws on pollution passed?! How will they benefit?
The ones to gain are the big corporations. Our past Enviromental chair in the government went to work for Exxon after he was fired for "editing" a memo about global warming...
And we will NOT be dead when hell breaks lose. They estimate about 10 years if the patter continues. And YOU CAN affect the environment. In the movie, there is a scene where scientist are able to tell the temperature of ice by looking at trapped Oxygen molecules. The year the US passed a law to minimize pollution...you could clearly see the drop in temperature(still above normal) in the ice!
And this is not the "normal cycle" A cycle goes up and down...we are just going up...
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And this is not the "normal cycle" A cycle goes up and down...we are just going up...
that would be the problem of living in the now. Im glad you can see into the future, but cycles dont go up and down every 10 years. look more in lifetimes. our children\'s children, children er however long it may take will know the answer.
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And if it turns out that this wasn\'t a natural cycle of heating, but a human-caused global warming, it\'ll be far to late to fix things in another couple generations.
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too late?
lol
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There was some Japanese scientist guy that figured out how to reverse the Ozone degradation and "heal" it, I guess. But his research needed a crapload of funding to build his machine and I haven\'t heard anything about him in years. Oh well.
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I got this article in my College Composition class about the benefits of global warming. The guy who wrote it was saying how warmer climate will be good for vacatoin and people who go to the beach and stuff. It was a riot to read. I kinda want to see if I can find it and link it for you guys.
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http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm
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I\'ll rather be safe than sorry. Judging by our climate changes...I think it\'s everything BUT normal.
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i remember reading something or possibly on tv awhile back about how the earth is slowly being pulled closer to the sun, while the moon is actually moving away out of earth\'s orbit,*it stated that in both instances the overall distance was only a few feet* but could add up to a few miles over so many years which could possibly have something to do with it... who knows.... when i first heard that i was kinda thinkin that that theory was kinda far-fetched, i\'m not really sure,..but imo i do think that to some extent the pollution does affect the weather patterns to some degree...
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I dont think were moving closer to the sun, but the moon definitly is getting further away. Before when the moon was too close, the seasons were very drastic. Imagine katrina all the time. The same thing is probably going to happen when it gets far away. (basically there wont be total eclipses anymore..just transits which is the same thing but the moon wont cover the sun) Again..all this space crap takes a few years so we dont have to worry about it.
So technically..the earth will probably be fooked before the sun burns out. But, who knows where well be technilogically when this stuff happens. Maybe russia will bomb us and ditch to another solar system.
im probably talking out of my ass a bit too cuz its late and i havent been in school for a month.
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most scientists think we\'re getting farther away, not closer
http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast25may99_1.htm
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I\'ll rather be safe than sorry. Judging by our climate changes...I think it\'s everything BUT normal.
You mean like a not normal climate change like the Little Ice Age? A period of a few hundred years where the global temperature SUDDENLY dropped?
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we should all drive hybrids....
"good for youuuuuuuu"
"thanksssssssss"
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Hybrids are the biggest waste of money. Unless you drive like an old woman, you aren\'t saving gas and American\'s will NOT change their driving habits. Besides, people are overlooking diesel. Even 20 years ago, they got 30-40 miles per gallon and modern diesel engines can make the power of gasoline engines and are cleaner than they ever were, releasing emissions close to if not better than gasoline. Look at Audi. They won at 12 Hours of Sebring in their R10 which was the only diesel powered car ever entered in there and LeMans.
People are also overlooking ethanol. Its relatively cheap, yields high amounts of energy, non toxic and you could drink it if you wanted. Plus it will stimulate our agricultural economy. It also has less emissions than gasoline.
I\'m not sold on hydrogen. Its harder to manufacture, the technology is very expensive (i think a Civic is what, 100 grand or something?) and I wouldn\'t want a gas as explosive as hydrogen in my tank when I get rearended. Besides, ethanol works under the same principles as gasoline so it is also possible to convert gasoline engines to hydrogen and car manufacturers just have to replace certain parts on their engines with a material that can handle alcohol, which they have been doing (older car engines will corrode if there is anything over E10 or 10% ethanol).
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since we\'re already talkin\' about global warming here\'s another recent article on it...
http://www.yahoo.com/s/135783/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060623/ap_on_sc/global_warming
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hydrogen is flammable, not combustable
you may as well have helium in your tank when you get rear-ended, that way you can talk funny and laugh afterwards.
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to some degree the more humans build the more we contribute to this global warming correct? i mean trees and plant life help to clean the air as they take in carbon dioxide and release oxygen, the more we tear down trees and build more factories or malls or sub-divisions without replacing the trees or plant life, even tho on a very small level, can also contribute to this cycle...
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plankton in the sea produce the majority of oxygen in the atmosphere
solution? fish need to shit more
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phytoplankton, to be more exact.. Basically a singlecelled algae..
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Thread from the dead.
So, I just watched this movie and it\'s as scary today as ever. Apparently, many scientists contend that the warming is correlated with the amount of CO2 in the air, which thanks to people, is going up up up off the chart.
But we have the technology now to stop that and let things go back to a normal cycle. Warmer climates mean more draught for draught-prone area, more and bigger storms due to warmer ocean waters and ice cap melting which can kill species and continue to sink coastal areas.
So clips said there\'s nothing we can do, but if we agree with Al Gore and his merrry band of scientists and professors that CO2 is the problem, there is stuff we can do, especially while we wait for guys like Ford and GM to get their heads out of the sand and make competitive cars.
Look: http://www.climatecrisis.net/takeaction/ (http://www.climatecrisis.net/takeaction/)
Most of the stuff will lower your energy bills anyway, so it\'s worth looking just for that.
Individuals can make the effort while we wait for bigger changes like wider use of solar power and stuff.
Anyway, I recommend the movie even if you don\'t like Al Gore. It\'s fascinating to watch, even if you choose to dismiss all or part of it for whatever reason. Plus, there was a clip from the Futurama/Simpsons people in there, which I didn\'t expect.
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Way to bring in info that we knew 3 years ago when we started this thread :thumb:
BTW, which movie you see? That Al Gore movie? Documentaries like that are relatively easy to spin rhetorical thinking in one direction. Entertaining and insightful, yes but I watch documentaries like that (ones about controversial issues) with a critical mind. Evidence is easy to edit to go one way.
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^^^
Particularly if there\'s an overwhelming concensus amongst the scientific community promulgating that point of view.
:)