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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: clips on July 14, 2006, 10:44:29 PM
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what are your thoughts on this situation?...i\'m kinda with israel on this one...this terrorist group kidnapped two soldiers then fired missles into israel....i do think that israel is overreacting just a bit, but hezbollah started this thing first with the kidnappings and the lobbing of missles....to be honest i really am just sick of these countries fighting each-other over bulls**t....and these hezbollah people..:rolleyes:..i\'am really tryin to understand where they are comin from, *and i know israel is no saint either* but they just sound like assholes...i think these people just want to create violence no-matter what you offer them....i blame both parties to some extent, as israel is kinda layin it on thick knowing the u.s. has their back...thoughts?...
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/14/mideast/index.html
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What I like about Israel is they don\'t take sh!t from these scumbags. While that may sound too hasty I try to understand the people they\'re dealing with. These Islamist terrorist groups aren\'t fit to be on the same planet as you and me. If they know their country is gonna get bombed if they kidnap an Israeli, they will be less likely to do it again.
In return Israel has the strongest, best, and most efficient airport security in the world. They\'re used to dealing with terrorism everyday and know better than anyone else how to deal with it.
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yea no kidding. i love the fact that israel is like... oh ok, you took 2 people... now were gunna relentlessly bomb the shit out of you. seriously, it\'s the only way you can get through these people. and when the innocent keep getting killed, they can blame their peoples.
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I wish someone (Iran?) would nuke the place (ME), then we could make a nice beach resort out of the place. No more cluttered up news: "Iran threatens Israel" "Israel says FU" "USA sends additional 50 trillion USD to \'aid\' Israel" :)
Then I could build a hotel of the west wall.
Edit: If its true they are mostly taking out civilian targets which has nothing to do with Hezbollah, then I retract my idea of nuking the ME and say we should just get rid of Israel. :)
I can still build that hotel though.
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In return Israel has the strongest, best, and most efficient airport security in the world. They\'re used to dealing with terrorism everyday and know better than anyone else how to deal with it.
They should send some of their people over here to train our airport security. The majority of our airport security are a bunch of dumbfucks.
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They should send some of their people over here to train our airport security. The majority of our airport security are a bunch of dumbfucks.
I can atest to that I used to work tech support for them, talk about a bunch of fucktard 3rd grade educated peoples.
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Yeah I fly alot and the amount of morons working airport security is scary.
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I always hear about journalists who sneak guns on board of airplanes. I want to work as an airline pilot one day. Its good to know that my life hangs in the balance by retards in security. If I owned an airport, I\'d be flying Israeli security officers (high ranking) to completely redo my airports security. Come on, we gotta step it up. Its not a matter of if we get attacked through airports but when. The only people foiling bomb plots on the plane are passengers.
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There was just such a nice understanding and status quo at the border until Hezbollah decided to kidnap those two soldiers. While I think Israel\'s response is a touch disproportionate, I can understand the logic of sending a message like this to Hezbollah\'s BACKERS.
Unfortunately, I see this as a possible major spark that could lead to a major global conflict in a year or two. Until the middle eastern governments around Israel step up and wipe out militant factions within their borders, Israel is put into the position of having to try and police the middle east, which I don\'t think they can do.
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They should send some of their people over here to train our airport security. The majority of our airport security are a bunch of dumbfucks.
Hell yeah, same here. I think it\'s a universal problem. :laughing:
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There was just such a nice understanding and status quo at the border until Hezbollah decided to kidnap those two soldiers.
No there wasnt. Israel continually violated the boarder, and airspace. Just a few weeks before the soldiers were taken Israeli F-16s were flying around in Lebanese airspace. 9 times!
And Israels response is laughingly overdone and its clear what they are trying to do. Unless Israel has the worst military intelligence in the world they should know that Hezbollah gets their weapons through Syria, which is a bordering country to Lebanon. They get the weapons via LAND. However Israel are bombing not only roads and bridges (in the south) but also AIRPORTS, FUEL DEPOTS, and DOCKS (not counting the civilian houses, which also are getting hit.).
Its clear they are trying to set Lebanon back a few years, destroy the economy. Lebanon was in its way back after the Syrian disengagement, tourists had started coming back, I guess Israel cant tolerate that!
Its quite sickening seeing what Israel is allowed to do, without any reaction. Apart from the toothless tiger that is the UN and Chiracs talk but no action.
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I say we just nuke the whole world an start over....
Or bring hitler back
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Israel is put into the position of having to try and police the middle east, which I don\'t think they can do.
That\'s what we\'re there for ;)
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Now this is how to wage a war on terror. I don\'t support our "war on terror", but if I did, it\'d have to be something like this. None of this pussy-footing around it, just start bombin the shit outta of \'em.
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Haha, they dont know what they are doing. Hezbollah is not a majority party in the government, but you might as well consider them one now. With this shit going on the support for Hezbollah is growing stronger with every exploding israeli grenade.
Just like Iraq, this is going to be an even more fucked up region if things dont stop soon. Terrorism is going to be around forever, its no stoping it, not with military force anyway, kill one and ten will take his place.
Just when things started looking better for Lebanon. :(
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Until I see a missile flying over my house I say let them kill each other all they want.
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Until I see a missile flying over my house I say let them kill each other all they want.
haha weird how this works.
During WWII America was criticized for standing by and not doing anything. Now if we raise a finger trying to help an allied nation out we\'ll get slandered even more than we are now.
Politics suck, glad I\'m not a politician. :jacked:
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haha weird how this works.
During WWII America was criticized for standing by and not doing anything. Now if we raise a finger trying to help an allied nation out we\'ll get slandered even more than we are now.
Politics suck, glad I\'m not a politician. :jacked:
But if we do stand idly by in the middle east, people will be blaming Bush and the government for not doing anything. Either way, Bush, government and politicians lose by getting slammed by the same people.
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in politics you\'re damned if you do, and damned if you don\'t. You just have to do the best you can and hope the world goes through a calm phase if you want to be re-elected.
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in politics you\'re damned if you do, and damned if you don\'t. You just have to do the best you can and hope the world goes through a calm phase if you want to be re-elected.
True that. Besides, liberals and democrats are never satisfied ;)
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small update...this thing is already into it\'s third week...and the latest scenario now is that israel is catchin\' heat for bombing so many civilians a few days back which resulted in a temporary suspension of air attacks....BUT israel also has footage showing hezbollah firing from these civilian area\'s...again if the lebanese gov\'t is not doin anything to stop these people, what is israel supposed to do?, they were the one\'s that started this in the first place. this latest report states that there have been at least another 150 rockets fired over into israel, and states that israel has moved in with ground troops,...i think if this doesn\'t come to a close soon, this will get very ugly and start to spin out of control....
http://www.yahoo.com/s/135782/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060802/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel
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small update...this thing is already into it\'s third week...and the latest scenario now is that israel is catchin\' heat for bombing so many civilians a few days back which resulted in a temporary suspension of air attacks....BUT israel also has footage showing hezbollah firing from these civilian area\'s...again if the lebanese gov\'t is not doin anything to stop these people, what is israel supposed to do?, they were the one\'s that started this in the first place. this latest report states that there have been at least another 150 rockets fired over into israel, and states that israel has moved in with ground troops,...i think if this doesn\'t come to a close soon, this will get very ugly and start to spin out of control....
http://www.yahoo.com/s/135782/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060802/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel
Can you say WW3?
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of coure hezbollah would use the civilians to their advantage..theyve always been used by the ones fighting. It stopped the bombing and got everyone against israel didnt it?
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Sad day when they use civilians...innocent people for personal gain and fear. Dispicable in warfare but what can you do except bitch and blow them away.
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Civilians there need to step up and get rid of militants trying to use them as shields (it\'s not like they\'re all unarmed), or at least get the hell out of dodge if some fucker is using their building as an outpost. Learn from operation black shield in South Park, people, just get the fuck outta the way when people want to use you like that.
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i\'m gunna take this moment to be greatful i don\'t live in israel or palestine
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i\'m gunna take this moment to be greatful i don\'t live in israel or palestine
All we have to worry about here in the US is the fanatical Christian rightwing ;)
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I blame Israel for that retarded air strike on the building with all the kids, but I blame Hezbollah too for essentially because without their cowardice, this would not have happened.
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Hezbollah was firing from right next to that building. They know the rules of engagement (Hezbollah) so they try and take advantage of it by hiding behind civilians. I hope Israel wipes them off the face of the planet.
EDIT - I see FatalXception pretty much said everything I was going say.
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Thats if there is any earth to wipe them off of when this is all done
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The shit is about to hit the fan:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060808/wl_nm/mideast_israel_force_dc_4;_ylt=AmVe8S3rvzA0fsQqv65AxQIUvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
An obvious ploy to bring the U.S. into it. And I\'m sure we will join no problem.... OUR GOVERNMENT MUST LOVE THE COMPANY OF TERRORISTS
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I can understand Israel\'s reluctance to accept status quo UN troops in the area. If there\'s one thing the UN lacks it\'s the teeth to back up it\'s rules. NATO would be better, but the UN observers keep reporting that Hizbollah is firing rockets from \'close to their base\' but that\'s it.
Any future international force there needs to have the manpower and firepower to engage anyone commiting a hostile act, as well as full global backing and color of right.
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While I don\'t condone how they conduct themselves in "battle" and non-wartime. Anyone actually remember how and why hezbollah came to exsistence in the first place?
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Hezbollah was formed in 1982 to fight the occupation by Israel, it originally sought also to bring Islamic Revolution to Lebanon, but soon abandoned this goal for a platform of democratic change, and elimination of the \'zionist\' state (Israel). Originally it was formed and supoported by Iran and Syria, and is still supported and controlled by them, it represents about 10% of the population in Lebanon\'s parliament, and has all but abandoned the idea of total fundementalism within Lebanon (especially in the North).
However, it was the only one of many militias that refused to disband after the occupation was ended and the UN ruled that the armed militias must be disarmed.
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fatal: syria allowed 1000-2000 iranian revolutionary guards to come in and help the ragtag group. Soon after Iran started the cash and arms flow.
The point I was trying to make to some who may not know was that hezbollah was a direct result of Israels invasion. I point this out as some very quickly will blame hezbollah 100% without realizing why they are there and do what they do.
It\'s kinda like starving a dog and then beating his ass when he tears up the trash.
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Wow. What a major prestige loss this war has been for Israel and what a victory for Hezbollah. :applause:
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Wow. What a major prestige loss this war has been for Israel and what a victory for Hezbollah. :applause:
You are cheering for Hezbollah??? What is wrong with you?
Yes this was 100 percent Hezbollah\'s fault despite what some want to believe. If you really want to go back and place blame luckee - place it with the Arabs - Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan and the PALS, who tried numerous times to destroy Israel right from the moment of its founding in 1948 and are still trying as evident by recent events.
As luckee said, Iran and Syria propped up and helped create Hezbollah. They deny Israel the right to exist and countries like Iran deny the Holocaust even happened. Who do you think Hezbollah gets its marching orders from? It doesn\'t take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
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I second GigaShadow\'s post.
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I third GigaShadow\'s post.
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I dont know why people pick one side or another in this whole thing. The conflict over land and beliefs is soooo old it will never go away untill there are either no more jews or no more arabs in that 10,000 square mile region.
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You are cheering for Hezbollah??? What is wrong with you?
No I\'m cheering Israel got punched in the nose :)
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Why is that? Why do you dislike Israel so much? It amazes me that Europe in general tends to lean toward supporting these Islamo-fascists and refuses to term them what they are - terrorists and religious fanatics. Being that you are from a very secular part of the world Fastson this truly shocks me.
I am skeptical about who actually won this incident - I wouldn\'t exactly call it a war either. I do think Israel was initially surprised by the technology that Hezzbolah possessed, but I would hardly claim that Hezzbolah came out the victor in this conflict from a military standpoint. From a propaganda standpoint in the Arab world and in Europe (I am puzzled by this) - yes, strategically - no. If Israel really wanted to destroy Hezzbolah they easily could have. On the other hand, Hezzbolah is only going to fight as long as it receives orders and support from Damascus and Tehran.
Israel is not the aggressor in this situation. They pulled out of Lebanon and the Gaza strip and what happened once they did? They wanted to give the Palestinians their country back, but the PALS blew that chance. Hezzbolah kidnaps Israeli soldiers inside Israel. I mean WTF? How many times does it take to be kicked in the teeth for your good intentions?
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Frankly, I\'m tired of Israel’s heavy hand when it comes to politics. I know they are in a tight situation with surrounding countries still bitter over their loss against Israel, but this does not excuse what Israel is doing in several areas.
Maybe this "fiasco" will put the lid on Israels gung-ho mentality for a while.
I would say both Lebanon and Israel are losers. Israel did not achieve all objectives, Hezbollah is still there and have more support now then ever before.
Lebanon lost out because most of the southern of the land has been destroyed, right when the country was on its way back up after Syria’s pull-out, also ~1000 of their countrymen are dead.
Hezbollah hasn’t managed to kick Israel all the way out (which is why they were formed in the first place), and now with the UN troops entering I think they will have a tough time striking at Israel again.
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hmmm...maybe it was just a bad idea to put israel in the middle of all those arab countries in the first place?...:confused:...fast, whatever the case may be,...it\'s clear that the pals and everybody else in that region don\'t want to compromise..most have clearly stated that they want israel out of the entire region...as i\'ve stated before both sides have their moments, but when you have 14 yr old palestine kids blowin\' themselves up on a bus,...and their parents reinforce it, something is wrong with that picture...how can you negotiate with people that will strap a bomb to themselves on a whim? Israel is no saint in this at all but if i had to look at who is the real aggressor here, i\'d have to say it\'s the pals and hezbollah,...they were the one\'s who started this whole charade....did you see the video with those people firing rockets within a heavily populated civilian area?,..then when israel fires back, THEY get blamed for the death and destruction?...like I stated before, israel is no saint, but the crap that is coming from hezbollah and other arab nations regarding this situation is pure bulls**t...
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Israel is not the aggressor in this situation. They pulled out of Lebanon and the Gaza strip and what happened once they did? They wanted to give the Palestinians their country back, but the PALS blew that chance. Hezzbolah kidnaps Israeli soldiers inside Israel. I mean WTF? How many times does it take to be kicked in the teeth for your good intentions?
They struck gaza yesterday and today. What did the palestineans do since the cease fire? I haven\'t heard.
Israel keeps kidnapped offcials and militants as well so don\'t point the dirty end of the stick too quickly.
I wouldn\'t call it good intentions so much as bowing to the international community. Just two days before the cease-fire they doubled troops. They didn\'t intend to withdraw two days later, something most will probably never know happend. Or perhaps Israels supporter finally got into their ears.
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hmmm...maybe it was just a bad idea to put israel in the middle of all those arab countries in the first place?...:confused:...fast, whatever the case may be,...it\'s clear that the pals and everybody else in that region don\'t want to compromise..
Actually, I think its both sides who are unwilling to compromise right now. Or maybe you meant that when you said everybody? :)
most have clearly stated that they want israel out of the entire region...as i\'ve stated before both sides have their moments, but when you have 14 yr old palestine kids blowin\' themselves up on a bus,...and their parents reinforce it, something is wrong with that picture...how can you negotiate with people that will strap a bomb to themselves on a whim?
Sure, the people who blow themselves up are fanatics, desperate fanatics. Suicide bombings is one of the most effective weapons they have, if these people had the same weapons Israel or Hezbollah has I bet they would use those instead.
But remember how the Palestinians live, they are closed off from the rest of the world. Nothing gets in or out without Israel’s permission. They are prisoners in their own towns. Some parts of the towns lack electricity thanks to Israel blowing up the power plants (which Europe paid for mind you), no running water etc.
Could these living conditions added to the constant attacks birth such fanatics? But I also see Israels POV, the wall has kept suicide bombers out, at least to a degree.
However, I believe you must negotiate with these people, Hamas. There is no other way, that or exterminate the whole people. As we have seen, you can not end something like this with military might.
How many times have Israel occupied Gaza? Cleared the streets.. they are still there.
When Israel entered Lebanon they held their banner high “We will wipe them out!”, this was not achieved and they might have learned that military might is far from everything.
This is what I believe anyways.
Israel is no saint in this at all but if i had to look at who is the real aggressor here, i\'d have to say it\'s the pals and hezbollah,...they were the one\'s who started this whole charade....
Its so mixed up everything, its unclear who started what. But this last war or crisis didn’t start 1 month ago, it has been going on for many many years.
What Hezbollah did when all this started has connections way back. You see, Israel still holds some of Lebanon. Hezbollah was created to drive the Israelis out of Lebanon, most of the land was given back but Israel still occupies some parts, they also hold several thousand of Lebanese prisoners. Hezbollah wants Israel out of the last remaing territories and the prisoners freed.
Also, just a few weeks prior Israel repeatedly violated Lebanese airspace with fighter jets, this is not uncommon, they repeatedly violate sovereign nations airspace.
And if its true what some newspapers are saying, that all this was planned from the beginning by Israel, I think even the slightest thing could have triggered this whole mess.
did you see the video with those people firing rockets within a heavily populated civilian area?,..then when israel fires back, THEY get blamed for the death and destruction?...
There are many examples of wrong doings by both sides. UN bombing for example, or other residential buildings hit near Beirut.
Btw, if you\'re referring to the Qana bombings which killed several children, AFAIK Israel never released a video of Hezbollah shooting rockets from that location. The location they showed (from what I remember) were from a different part of Qana, the outskirts of Quana from what I remember, not the location that was later bombed. Also the video they showed was several days old.
Or has there been another video released of that event?
What I hope, is that Israel has learned something form this. They got a good smack on the nose, the gung ho mentality should have shattered I hope.
Let the UN control the boarder, and I hope they are up to keeping both sides from starting this shit again, but I’m used to seeing the UN let me down so my hopes are not that high.
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You see, Israel still holds some of Lebanon. Hezbollah was created to drive the Israelis out of Lebanon, most of the land was given back but Israel still occupies some parts, they also hold several thousand of Lebanese prisoners.
"something" farm. Was thought to belong to Syria, but the Syrians acknoledge it as lebonese.
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They struck gaza yesterday and today. What did the palestineans do since the cease fire? I haven\'t heard.
Israel keeps kidnapped offcials and militants as well so don\'t point the dirty end of the stick too quickly.
Israel threatened Wednesday to widen the conflict over the abduction of one of its soldiers, sending thousands of troops into Gaza, arresting a Palestinian Cabinet minister and buzzing the summer home of Syria\'s president, who is blamed for harboring Hamas leaders.
No deaths or injuries were reported in the incursion, launched early Wednesday in southern Gaza. But Palestinians filled up on basic supplies after warplanes knocked out electricity, raising the specter of a humanitarian crisis. The Hamas-led government warned of "epidemics and health disasters" because of damaged water pipes to central Gaza and the lack of power to pump water.
Israel\'s concern goes beyond the rescue of the soldier and the negative precedent abducting soldiers would set. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert\'s government is alarmed by the firing of homemade rockets on Israeli communities around Gaza and support for Hamas in the Arab world, especially from Syria.
In a clear warning to Syrian President Bashar Assad, Israeli airplanes flew over his seaside home near the Mediterranean port city of Latakia in northwestern Syria, military officials confirmed, citing the "direct link" between his government and Hamas. Israeli television reports said four planes were involved in the low-altitude flight, and that Assad was there at the time.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/28/D8IHGQH00.html
As far as Israel "kidnapping" officials (of the terrorist group Hamas and Hezbollah) and militants ie. terrorists I don\'t see the problem with it.
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"something" farm. Was thought to belong to Syria, but the Syrians acknoledge it as lebonese.
Myth
"Israel still has not satisfied the UN\'s requirements to withdraw completely from Lebanon because of its illegal occupation of Shebaa Farms."
Fact
Despite the UN ruling that Israel completed its withdrawal from southern Lebanon (UN, June 18, 2000), Hizballah and the Lebanese government insist that Israel still holds Lebanese territory in eastern Mount Dov, a 100-square-mile, largely uninhabited patch called Shebaa Farms. This claim provides Hizballah with a pretext to continue its activities against Israel. Thus, after kidnapping three Israeli soldiers in that area, it announced that they were captured on Lebanese soil.
Israel, which has built a series of observation posts on strategic hilltops in the area, maintains that the land was captured from Syria; nevertheless, the Syrians have supported Hizballah\'s claim. According to the Washington Post, the controversy benefits each of the Arab parties. "For Syria, it means Hizballah can still be used to keep the Israelis off balance; for Lebanon, it provides a way to apply pressure over issues, like the return of Lebanese prisoners still held in Israeli jails. For Hezbollah, it is a reason to keep its militia armed and active, providing a ready new goal for a resistance movement that otherwise had nothing left to resist" (Washington Post, January 30, 2001).
In January 2005, the UN Security Council adopted a resolution condemning violence along the Israel-Lebanon border and reasserted that the Lebanese claim to the Shebaa farms area is "not compatible with Security Council resolutions."
and in case you are confused about Hezbollah\'s intentions:
“If they go from Sheba\'a, we will not stop fighting them. Our goal is to liberate the 1948 borders of Palestine...[Jews] can go back to Germany or wherever they came from.”
— Hezbollah spokesperson Hassan Ezzedin
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That still doesnt make it fact that the land was captured from syrians or whether it belongs to lebanon. That\'s seems to be up in the air.
Whats exactly wrong with the 48 borders?
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You ignore the whole "[Jews] can go back to Germany or wherever they came from." line. Basically the captured land (captured after Israel was invaded), is used as a buffer zone to keep those interested in Jewish annihilation away from the border. The UN will help a bit, but they will need to have generous rules of engagement and have to be willing to fight if they realistically expect to make a difference in the area.
Everytime Israel concedes anything, for any reason, the surrounding militant groups claim a victory, say that their cause is working, and make fresh demands. The anti-semite views you espouse I find incredibly disturbing, since as far as I can every offensive act that Israel takes is in response to another\'s acts or threats.
I think on this issue we\'re probably going to have to agree to disagree, since were clearly starting off from such different viewpoints.
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"something" farm. Was thought to belong to Syria, but the Syrians acknoledge it as lebonese.
Ah, yep. :)
Btw, good to see you back, luckee.. You too Giga. :D
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Whats exactly wrong with the 48 borders?
Ask the Arabs they are the ones that destroyed them. If you look at a 1948 map of the area you can see the PALS had the best land and a majority of what was Palestine.
Fatal has a very valid point about the land Israel now holds that was not part of the 1948 boundary. If you look back you will see that once Egypt made peace with Israel and founded diplomatic ties with them they gave the Sinai back to Egypt even though vast quantities of oil were discovered there - they even dismantled Jewish settlements there. Syria took the opposite approach by calling for the destruction of Israel, failing to recognize them as a state and sponsoring terrorist groups. Why should they give it back to a country that threatens their existance?
It is too late to go back to the 1948 borders unless God himself came down and threatened to Sodam and Gamora anyone who violated the peace.
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And to lighten the mood a little I present Women of the IDF:
http://israelmilitary.net/showthread.php?t=13
Some are hidious, but quite a few are pretty damn hot and I want to know why their women can wear such tight uniforms and ours can\'t. :D
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Meh, avarage. I\'m used to better. ;)
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There are some incredibly good looking israeli chicks. I met one such in so.beach 2-3years ago..talk about smokin. No gag reflex either ;)
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You ignore the whole "[Jews] can go back to Germany or wherever they came from." line. Basically the captured land (captured after Israel was invaded), is used as a buffer zone to keep those interested in Jewish annihilation away from the border. The UN will help a bit, but they will need to have generous rules of engagement and have to be willing to fight if they realistically expect to make a difference in the area.
Everytime Israel concedes anything, for any reason, the surrounding militant groups claim a victory, say that their cause is working, and make fresh demands. The anti-semite views you espouse I find incredibly disturbing, since as far as I can every offensive act that Israel takes is in response to another\'s acts or threats.
I think on this issue we\'re probably going to have to agree to disagree, since were clearly starting off from such different viewpoints.
Probably b/c I dont give a shit where they go or stay. I was just asking a question about the 48 border.
Please point out my anti-semitic remarks.
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Interesting.
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,432054,00.html
From rockets to reconstruction: the Islamic militant group Hezbollah has quickly switched its priorities from fighting Israeli troops to helping with reconstruction efforts in southern Lebanon. Hardworking, well organized and not about to disarm or retreat, they are impressing local residents.
Going for a majority party, ay Hassan? ;)
The orders from Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah were very clear, but militia commander Suliman couldn\'t carry them out this time. The head of the Shiite extremist group told his fighters by radio on Saturday that as part of the cease-fire agreement starting this week they were to switch from military camouflage to civilian clothing. Suliman would have gladly obeyed, but there was just one problem.
"Unfortunately I only have one pair of trousers," says the Hezbollah veteran while grinning embarrassedly. "What can I do?"
Anyway, I hope the build up is speedy and that the country can remain stable. On the 31st of August an International donor conference for Lebanon will be held in Stockholm.
Beirut was once called the Paris of the middle east.
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Views would be what I said, however, I do regret that choice of words, Luckee (I suppose "Probably b/c I dont give a shit where they go or stay." is more apathetic than anti). I think better would have been to say I dislike that you are defending terrorists or their actions, and as I\'ve stated before, I can\'t really look back and find an act that Israel has done where they weren\'t reacting to a hostile act.
I don\'t really see this as much of a \'middle of the fence\' issue, to me one side is clearly morally superior to the other, especially when you look at the stated political/global goals for each side. In the other posts in here is explained why Israel couldn\'t possibly have given back all the land siezed after they were invaded to countries unwilling to concede their right to exist.
IMO Hezbollah is the winner in terms of prestige/public views (in the area), Israel is the winner in terms of arms/armnament/damage, and t he only real loser is Lebanon, which has to once again rebuild after a war. Hopefully the moderates in the country will stand up to Hezbollah and disarm it, so that the only military power in the country is the state\'s own army.
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That\'s the one thing I don\'t understand. Terrorists don\'t rebuild. They could just use that money for more "evil" if they were just simply a terror organization. Some may argue it is to get support, but these terror groups around dont really seem to give a shit about image as thousands are always willing to die. Whether they do fine things in their community or not won\'t really change how people in their land look at them.
I really think they are bidding to eventually take lebanon over in 20 years or so.
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Views would be what I said, however, I do regret that choice of words, Luckee (I suppose "Probably b/c I dont give a shit where they go or stay." is more apathetic than anti). I think better would have been to say I dislike that you are defending terrorists or their actions, and as I\'ve stated before, I can\'t really look back and find an act that Israel has done where they weren\'t reacting to a hostile act.
I don\'t really see this as much of a \'middle of the fence\' issue, to me one side is clearly morally superior to the other, especially when you look at the stated political/global goals for each side. In the other posts in here is explained why Israel couldn\'t possibly have given back all the land siezed after they were invaded to countries unwilling to concede their right to exist.
It would be over for Israel if they acted first and they know it. Then what ever moderates were in the region would be all over them as well as the allies of the country they acted out against. Israel will probably never ever stike first. Which is also why they are always ready as they react swiftly to everything someone does to them. They are just basically waiting for the excuse just like a month ago.
If you want to call it defending hezbollah it is only b/c they were created to oppose israel invasion. They harbored deep animosities(sp)? over an 18 year period of occupation.
Any other conflict israel has been involved in, I more or less could just keep my mouth shut. Not this hezbollah jazz mainly b/c it is just to funny.
Besides if everyone was on the same side, we wouldn\'t have a need for this forum and life indeed would be very boring. difference is good.
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And to lighten the mood a little I present Women of the IDF:
http://israelmilitary.net/showthread.php?t=13
Some are hidious, but quite a few are pretty damn hot and I want to know why their women can wear such tight uniforms and ours can\'t. :D
If World War 3 breaks out and I go to the middle east to fight, I will be very happy fighting with the Israelis.
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For what its worth, Hezbollah is not a terrorist organisation in the eyes of EU and Russia. And from what I remember the UN does not consider them one either.
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It would be over for Israel if they acted first and they know it. Then what ever moderates were in the region would be all over them as well as the allies of the country they acted out against. Israel will probably never ever stike first. Which is also why they are always ready as they react swiftly to everything someone does to them. They are just basically waiting for the excuse just like a month ago.
If you want to call it defending hezbollah it is only b/c they were created to oppose israel invasion. They harbored deep animosities(sp)? over an 18 year period of occupation.
Any other conflict israel has been involved in, I more or less could just keep my mouth shut. Not this hezbollah jazz mainly b/c it is just to funny.
Besides if everyone was on the same side, we wouldn\'t have a need for this forum and life indeed would be very boring. difference is good.
So you would concede that if NOBODY ATTACKED Israel there would be peace in the Middle East?
If Lebanon steps up and protects it\'s own borders they way Egypt did, there would be no Hezbollah, and no wars between Israel and Lebanon.
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Interesting reports from Israeli soldiers.
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/08/16/hizbullahchechens_.shtml
Now I see why Lebanon never disarmed Hezbollah, they would probably have triggered a civil war.
Military sources said numerous Israeli combat units, without effective air or armor support, spent most of their time in Lebanon paralyzed by Hezbollah fire. They said hundreds of soldiers were often overwhelmed by as few as a dozen Hezbollah mortar and anti-tank gunners within sight of the Israeli border.
In all, Israel sent 30,000 soldiers to Lebanon. At least 118 soldiers were killed in the 33-day fighting. The military said 530 Hezbollah operatives were killed.
“From the point of view of the individual soldier, they are better than the Arab armies that surround us,” Col. Omri Bar-David, a reserve battalion commander, said.
In several cases, Israeli commanders, citing Hezbollah squads, dismissed orders to advance. The military reported the detention of five Engineering Corps soldiers, including a reserve company commander, for refusing to embark on a mission in Lebanon.
“There is a lot of confusion,” Anon, a soldier not involved in the courtmartial, said. “We go in, we come out. We go in, we come out.”
The 20-man unit from the Golani Brigade’s 51st Battalion arrived in Bint Jbail on Aug. 10. Hezbollah first disabled a Merkava Mk-3 main battle tank with an AT-14 Kornet anti-tank missile.
Then, Hezbollah gunners directed anti-tank fire toward the building that contained the Israeli force. The unit, which sustained eight casualties in Bint Jbail on July 26, huddled in a first floor bathroom, deemed the most secure part of the building.
“It’s been ugly,” Dudi Levisohn, a member of the Golani squad, said. “But it’s our job. We have to do it. We suffer so the people in Tel Aviv can enjoy themselves.”
Military sources said Hezbollah also forced Israeli units to turn off their communications and tracking equipment. They said Hezbollah deployed systems designed to identify a range of signals, including those of cell phones.
“During the day, Hezbollah sees us perfectly and we can’t see them,” another officer said. “The only time we conducted operations were at night because we believed our night vision systems were better than theirs.”
In another battle, an infantry battalion fought 24 hours to advance three houses in a Shi’ite village. The soldiers were pinned down by heavy Hezbollah anti-tank fire from a network of tunnels and bunkers.
“You don’t have to worry about bullets,” an officer, identified only as Eyal, said. “It’s the anti-tank missiles.”
With the onset of the United Nations-arranged ceasefire, Israeli soldiers, particularly reservists, have expressed increasing criticism of senior commanders. On Monday, reservists were angered when Northern Command chief Maj. Gen. Udi Adam termed Hezbollah a terrorist group.
“They are professionals,” a soldier who returned from Lebanon said. “They have new weapons. There have been no improvement in our tanks in 10 years. Their mission is clear — to hurt us. And they can do this very well. Don’t say they are not soldiers. They are soldiers.”
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Anyone who tries to disarm Hezbollah is in for a nasty fight, they know their terrain, have modern weapons and are willing to use any tactic that works. That said, if there really is a decision made in the parliament to disarm (not disband) Hezbollah, with the Lebanese army and 15000 UN troops to support, then Hezbollah will end up disarmed, because if they make a fight of it, any global sympathy/support for them will disappear, and probably result in serious trouble for their backers in Syria and Iran as well.
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Anyone who tries to disarm Hezbollah is in for a nasty fight, they know their terrain, have modern weapons and are willing to use any tactic that works. That said, if there really is a decision made in the parliament to disarm (not disband) Hezbollah, with the Lebanese army and 15000 UN troops to support, then Hezbollah will end up disarmed, because if they make a fight of it, any global sympathy/support for them will disappear, and probably result in serious trouble for their backers in Syria and Iran as well.
Yeah, they cant fight the UN, if they do all the prestige and support they have now will be gone.
There have been ideas of integrating Hezbollah into the Lebanese army, or letting them form a Lebanese reservist army, but last time I checked the idea wasn\'t too popular within Hezbollah.
Maybe if they get a larger part of the government seats they\'ll change? I hope they themselves decide to disarm.
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So you would concede that if NOBODY ATTACKED Israel there would be peace in the Middle East?
If Lebanon steps up and protects it\'s own borders they way Egypt did, there would be no Hezbollah, and no wars between Israel and Lebanon.
Not really. Maybe israel would be safe. Then they would just focus on each other trying to be the superior power. Shites\', sunni...etc.. all fighting for power.
That wouldn\'t be any better.
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And to lighten the mood a little I present Women of the IDF:
http://israelmilitary.net/showthread.php?t=13
Some are hidious, but quite a few are pretty damn hot and I want to know why their women can wear such tight uniforms and ours can\'t. :D
some of them can defintely get a sample...i banged this fine jewish chick i met in one of the clubs in ny some years back...i actually joked about her bein\' with an afr american...she stated her parents was strickly against it, but that she was into black men....which was fine by me,cause i was up in her literally...:fro:....i caused a tragedy up in that ass that night...shorty had a nice apt somewhere in upper manhattan...this chic had some nice soft silky smooth skin....sex was off the chain as well....got me reminencin\' there giga..:p...anyway even tho i didn\'t see alot of fine chicks in the post there were a few in there that were dimes...
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some of them can defintely get a sample...i banged this fine jewish chick i met in one of the clubs in ny some years back...i actually joked about her bein\' with an afr american...she stated her parents was strickly against it, but that she was into black men....which was fine by me,cause i was up in her literally...:fro:....i caused a tragedy up in that ass that night...shorty had a nice apt somewhere in upper manhattan...this chic had some nice soft silky smooth skin....sex was off the chain as well....got me reminencin\' there giga..:p...anyway even tho i didn\'t see alot of fine chicks in the post there were a few in there that were dimes...
Up that ass huh? I always knew you were into transexuals.
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Up that ass huh? I always knew you were into transexuals.
i\'m INTO you my sexy vanilla snowflake...:gfight:...;)
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i\'m INTO you my sexy vanilla snowflake...:gfight:...;)
cute :gfight:
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Interesting video (http://www.powerlineblog.com/powerlinenews/video2/?bclid=78383014&bctid=187745401) of some of the palistinian videos that made the news, and how they make be staged. The first couple are weak, but once you hit the \'funeral bier\' procession one, you will be shaking your head at some of the tricks (brilliant tactics, I suppose, but tricks) used to make \'good film\'.
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As I watched the funeral bier part, I was cracking up when the guy fell off the funeral casket and he climbed back on again, twice... A walking corpse?
Edit: It was sad that they even used a dead child to be film on one of their stage scenes.
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i know both sides play propaganda game, but this is just too much...how do you expect people to have some type of sympathy for you when you\'re doin\' s**t like that? like they have nothing else better to do than to make phony eventful movies....these people are just idiots, then they\'re on tv lookin\' up in the sky talkin bout "why?...WHY?"....shut the f**k up!...s**t pisses me off...there are people dying on both sides of the game and yet you wanna stage some bulls**t like this?....first thing that comes to mind when seeing this will be "hmmm maybe israel isn\'t doin s**t as bad as we thought they were"....obviously not...assholes...