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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Living-In-Clip on July 18, 2006, 07:27:12 AM
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Score one for the nay-sayers who said UMD was a destined failure.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6154015.html?part=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6154015
Sony intros Memory Stick movies as Target KO\'s UMDs
As national retailer pulls UMD movies from shelves, Sony begins to offer very limited selection of direct-to-memory movies for its portable.
By Tor Thorsen, GameSpot
Posted Jul 13, 2006 5:08 pm PT
After getting off to a strong start in the wake of the American PSP launch last March, the Universal Media Disc (UMD) appears to be on its last legs. Sales of movies on the PSP\'s once-hot proprietary format have slowed to a trickle, causing several major movie studios to cease supporting it. In March, the Hollywood Reporter ran an article claiming that the home-entertainment divisions of Universal Studios and Paramount Pictures have "completely stopped" releasing films on the format, and other studios have been cutting back their release slates.
Perhaps more disturbing for Sony were unconfirmed reports that retail colossi Wal-Mart and Best Buy were scaling back UMD displays in their stores. This week, speculation turned into reality when Target decided to discontinue stocking UMDs entirely. A manager at a San Francisco Bay Area Target outlet told GameSpot, "We no longer carry PSP movies. We stopped carrying them nationwide."
At virtually the same time, Sony announced the forthcoming release of a pair of Memory Stick Entertainment Packs (MSEP). The packages will come in 1GB (MSX-M1GSTEP) and 2GB (MEX-M2GSEP) Memory Stick Duos for about $60 and $100--the standard retail price for both items.
Though tech-savvy PSP owners have been converting their DVDs to the PSP-compatible MPEG-4 files via third-party applications for more than a year, the Entertainment Packs mark the first time Sony has officially released movies for direct download to Memory Stick Duo, the PSP\'s storage format.
However, the initial batch of Mem-Stick-ready movies are a very limited selection of Sony Pictures titles--all of which received decidedly mixed reviews. Each of the two packs will come bundled with an installer DVD that contains four films--Hitch, S.W.A.T., The Grudge, or XXX: State of the Union. The movies will play in 240x320-pixel resolution, lower than the 480x272-pixel resolution PSPs are capable of.
However, purchasers of the packs will be able to copy only one of the four films onto their new memory sticks--the others will then be locked. "The code given with the MSEP will unlock one of the four movies," a Sony rep told GameSpot. "Through a special Digital Rights Management [solution] designed by Sony Electronics and SCEA, this [movie] is then downloadable for the PSP."
Fortunately, the movie will be automatically converted to MPEG-4 by the unlocking process, and will be easier to load onto a PSP via a USB cable. Unfortunately, the conversion software on the Memory Stick Entertainment Pack installer DVD will only work on the four films on the disc. "If you own other movies that you want on your Memory Stick, you have to have conversion software," said the Sony rep. Also, the film will also be playable solely on the portable, not on the PC it was transferred from, as "it is a special promotion for getting movies on your PSP."
Many will take Sony\'s introduction of direct-to-Memory Stick movies as an acknowledgment that the UMD format has failed and as a sign it is prepping consumers for digital distribution. Sony, though, refutes such suggestions. "The UMD was never a factor in the development of this product [the Memory Stick Entertainment Pack]," the rep told GameSpot.
Sony also wouldn\'t comment on the implications that Memory Stick movies had for the future of the UMD format. However, the rep did say that their introduction was primarily about giving more options to consumers. "We\'re a universal entertainment company and we\'re able to offer the consumer more choice," said the rep. "Bundling Sony content with Sony hardware is something we can offer that others can\'t."
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was anyone suprised?
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LIC, I think it was obvious from the start that UMD was gonna fail without the PSP. I knew it would fail with movies. Take away the PSP and what incentive do you have to buy a UMD? They suck in players (are there even players for them?). They are no where near as good as DVDs and they would be completely obsolete for movies next gen....although they were pretty much obsolete from the start. The only reason it survived was because it was the cool new thing with PSP. As soon as PSP goes under, UMDs will be a distant memory. I was skeptical a long time. Nice read btw, thanks LICky for the post :)
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Cartridges for PSP would indeed have been a much better id.
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As soon as PSP goes under
i wouldn\'t bet on that.
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Yeah UMD lives on as a fine video game format.
It\'s just the idea of watching movies on that thing that was always retarded.
UMD wasn\'t the problem, it was trying to get gamers to buy movies for their handheld gaming system that was the problem.
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movies that were close to the same price as DVD\'s*
now if they sold UMD movies for like 3.99$ from the start, they would be in a different situation right now
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i wouldn\'t bet on that.
I suck at word choices. I meant discontinued, not go under. I wouldn\'t bet on it going under either.
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The amazing part is that MM jumps in here with "is anyone surprised", but previously he had set and defended the format and said it was viable. We\'ve had this debate countless times, I just love the way he and other\'s spin around to go, "oh yeah...not surprised"..
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i did?
you\'ll have to refresh my memory...please, take your time.
and selling poop in a box is "viable"
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Bleh, Sony\'s loosing it. You can\'t even watch the movie in the full resolution?
Seriously, Sony\'s been acting so arrogant lately. They even fucked up Blu-Ray (at least for now).
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umd as a movie standard would have never made it. It’s competing against a already stable standard (dvd) and umd is a lower quality media as it is. UMD is great for gaming, carts would be a step backwards, i don\'t see them storing 1+ gig games on carts. Sony were just pushing a medium into other areas hoping for a bite, pitty it relies on the psp to keep ground and was outdated to begin with.
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PSP has been a failure anyways, from a gaming standpoint. The real drivin point for the PSP was the homebrew applications and with every firmware update that gets further and further away.
And yes, even Blu-Ray is fucked up right now and that is the reason, that review wise, HD-DVD is winnin\' the war (though I doubt it wins it in the long run).
Me personally, I\'m glad to see the UMD movie format fail. It was a pointless format that should of never been put out to the market.
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If i was rich and took a bunch of flights..only then id buy a PSP.
I just figured everything PSP would straggle along but never really get pulled off the shelf. Doesnt affect me so whatever..
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PSP has been a failure anyways, from a gaming standpoint. The real drivin point for the PSP was the homebrew applications and with every firmware update that gets further and further away.
heh, shows what u know..
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heh, shows what u know..
Right....
Yes - everyone knows there is ways to revert back to the old firmware, but it doesn\'t change the point.
Point being..
1: PSP is only moderatly popular due to the homebrew stuff and illegal things. It is not popular because of it\'s own merits, such as gaming.
2: It\'s overpriced.
3: With each firmware update, it does get more difficult to revert back to firmware. Infact, a lot of people have OLD PSPS\', with old firmware just to play the homebrew stuff. Sony is trying to make it more and more difficult to kill all the homebrew stuff and if they ever do accomplish that, then what market the PSP has will be gone.
And as for the above comment about owning a PSP if you travel a lot, I\'d still just go with a DS. I had the chance to get a PSP for free, fiance was goin\' to buy it for my birthday and I asked her not to. It\'d sit and collect dust, I\'d rather have something like a few DVD sets than yet another dust collector.
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now i\'m far too uncaring to go out and really search, but does anyone have recent PSP sales data?
NGage? now there\'s a failure.
and please stop calling things overpriced, LIC.
it\'s tired
oh, don\'t forget to find me praising the UMD as a movie format, when you have time.
i was bored
At its E3 2006 press conference on May 8, 2006, Kaz Hirai, president of Sony Computer Entertainment America announced the company had shipped 17 million units.
yep, complete "failure".
and blah, blah, the DS is selling better. if i wanted a toy that played mario, i\'d go buy one also.
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Seriously, Sony\'s been acting so arrogant lately. They even fucked up Blu-Ray (at least for now).
i agree with you here...like i\'ve always stated these companies should just concentrate on making gaming consoles and that\'s it. i still find the price of the ps3 to be too high for the general public. i want sony to be successful and i really thought that they learned lessons from others that have gone down in the business, yet i feel they are just abandoning their core supporters with the price, they act as if the price is no big deal...yes i feel they will move units during the christmas season, but if the blu-ray problems aren\'t fixed by then and they rush these units out just to make it for the holiday season, and combine that with what happens AFTER the holiday season with no price drop, i think sony is going to be in for a rude awakening.
sony started off great with the psx. now they are overly ambitious in what they are tryin to do. wasn\'t ps2 supposed to be the all in one? damn...sony..microsoft...take a look at nintendo, and let\'s just get back to the basics.... i\'ve already posted in another thread that microsoft might drop the price of the 360 before the holidays and if ms does that, it\'s going to put sony in a very critical situation....sorry...i just had to rant on about the arrogant thing...
as far as the psp goes,..i\'ve never been into handhelds whether it was sony or nintendo, so whether this thing falls off or not, makes no difference to me...
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*shipped*
When you find sales data, we can talk.
By the way, calling DS a toy that plays Mario.... that\'s pretty much one of the main selling points lately.
The toy that plays GTA:LCS... Meh, not so much.
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Owned by Eik..
And to further that point.
Yeah - what\'s the point in being a handheld GAMING SYSTEM if the the system lacks any compelling games? Yeah, you keep telling yourself the PSP has been a success and that it\'s good deal, when in reality, it\'s not.
The amazing thing is the Sony fanboys grasp at every straw to justify the PSP price and say that the PSP is a success, but in reality, if you look at it from a gaming standpoint, it has been a failure. It lacks any real compelling games that aren\'t ports and it\'s over-priced. You can call that "tired", but a lot of people feel the same, otherwise the DS wouldn\'t outsell the PSP all the time.
Games and price. That\'s the key to any system, but even more so with a handheld. UMD failing won\'t really hurt the PSP, but it just shows how half baked the PSP plan really was. Sony was banking on brand name and nothing else.
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so where\'s the quotes of me praising UMD as a movie format?
or are you going to keep ignoring that part, and continually changing the topic at hand?
i\'ve already stated why nintendo leads the handheld market. your average user wants a game he can power on and play for 15 minutes, which is not indicitive of what the PSP offers.
sophisticated users (not children) want something more from a handheld, which the PSP does offer.
you prefer the DS, LIC. good for you, have a cookie.
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some users want something else from a handheld, which the PSP does offer.
Fixed to not be offensive to sophisticated people that have a dusty PSP. *cough* ;] And personally, I\'ve almost found all the secrets in the new Mario platformer.
By the way, mm, to what you said earlier. At $3.99 I would have definitely bought some movies to watch. As it was, I never got into it. Didn\'t even watch Spiderman, and that came with the system. (Never played the Metroid demo that came with DS either... weird)
-Dan
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so where\'s the quotes of me praising UMD as a movie format?
or are you going to keep ignoring that part, and continually changing the topic at hand?
i\'ve already stated why nintendo leads the handheld market. your average user wants a game he can power on and play for 15 minutes, which is not indicitive of what the PSP offers.
sophisticated users (not children) want something more from a handheld, which the PSP does offer.
you prefer the DS, LIC. good for you, have a cookie.
I am not digging thru thread after thread for you talking about UMD was viable and offered something to conumsers. You said it, I know it, you know and the whole board knows it. Get over it and move on.
The PSP offers nothing in the way of a handheld gaming system. Yes, it offers MP3\'s and movie\'s, but as a gaming system it offers almost nothing.
It amazes me, that people who "play games" support a system without any killer titles, all because it does more than play games...
:rolleyes:
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almost nothing?
you\'re kidding right?
i expected better, really.
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yeah i should really read the first line of most posts before i post myself
ye
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A fine video-game format?
Those 6-minute loadtimes in specific PSP titles beg to differ.
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A fine video-game format?
Those 6-minute loadtimes in specific PSP titles beg to differ.
That\'s just part of being the "sophiscated gamer".
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....blame the hardware or the dev?
and blade doesn\'t need a sidekick, he\'s funny enough.
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I wonder if the UMD movie format would have succeeded if Sony and other licensed companies made portable players you could take on a plane or travel in a car (when you aren\'t driving preferably). Like the portable DVD players. I mean I would rather have a portable DVD player so I can watch my DVDs. But it is something to ponder, what if they built a portable UMD player?
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odd people can\'t seem to find games to play on psp.
Currently playing Tekken Resurrection, Fight Night round 3, Midnight Club 3 Dub Edition, Pinball Hall of fame, World Snooker Challange 2005, burnout legends and DBZ Shin budokai. Plenty of games to keep me entertained. Then theres the whole "homebrew" emulators for Snes, Megadrive, neogeo games etc. Psp just offers far more then DS. Sony may or may not want it to offer this, but it still does. I even use it at school, acts like a great PDA. ohh and LIC, you have no clue, as sony releases new firmware doesn\'t mean u have to update. It simply means games follow suit, then people develope ways around these games wanting higher firmwares. I\'m playing TR and i\'m on firmware 1.5 hmmm. ;)
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That thing about Smackdown, that was just a badly developed title. And they were getting into story mode in that video which included the unfortunate loading of a few extra cutscenes before the game could begin.
I do remember some load time problems, but nothing too bad and I played through a handful of the early titles.
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oh LIC could find games to play, he\'s just being a dick about it.
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Currently playing Tekken Resurrection, Fight Night round 3, Midnight Club 3 Dub Edition, Pinball Hall of fame, World Snooker Challange 2005, burnout legends and DBZ Shin budokai. Plenty of games to keep me entertained.
I own the PSP too, and it\'s not that it doesn\'t have any quality games. Notice that all of the games you listed are basically PS2 ports, and not as complete as their PS2 counterparts. Probably more expensive. There is a big market for playing current-gen games on the road, but the DS (and PS2/XB/GCN for that matter) are cheaper in every facet... and the DS provides a lot more handheld-specific and innovative software. It also plays a lot more games (GBA and DS libraries) without sneaking behind Sony\'s back.
Thankfully, devs are learning. Games like Field Commander and Loco Roco provide a fresh experience even for PS2 vets.
Then theres the whole "homebrew" emulators for Snes, Megadrive, neogeo games etc. Psp just offers far more then DS. Sony may or may not want it to offer this, but it still does. I even use it at school, acts like a great PDA. ohh and LIC, you have no clue, as sony releases new firmware doesn\'t mean u have to update. It simply means games follow suit, then people develope ways around these games wanting higher firmwares.
Yes, the homebrew is better on the PSP... but Sony is trying to squash it. I need a complicated workaround so that I can play the latest PSP games as well as old Nintendo and Sega games. I\'d like Irony for $400, Alex.
A great PDA? DS has a touchscreen/stylus, and (so far, just in Japan) PDA software. PSP might have some PDA-like qualities, but time is running out! I\'d be surprised if the upcoming Opera browser release isn\'t followed by a PDA suite. Nintendo is trying to engage the adult audience, and there\'s no better way.
I\'m playing TR
I\'m sorry.
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There\'s a game called like GME PXL or something coming for PSP. It\'s a Wario Ware knock off with a trendy facelift. Could be a very good game for the PSP.
Lumines was fun, although the upcoming sequel is pretty much the same game with a different coat of paint.
The developers are creative and should have come up with a new ip instead, in my opinion.
It\'s an ok handheld, but for every game I might possibly want to try, there are two more on the DS, and they\'re cheaper.
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It\'s a Wario Ware knock off
Strike one.
the upcoming sequel is pretty much the same game with a different coat of paint
Strike two. Lumines is coming to XBLA (or has already come) so let\'s call that a foul, out of play. 0-2
or every game I might possibly want to try, there are two more on the DS, and they\'re cheaper
Strike three. DS gets the PSP swinging at a changeup in the dirt. PSP follows N-Gage to the dugout. 2 outs.
Here comes the X-Boy from the on-deck circle...
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Some quotes about UMD from mm:
From THIS (http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37600) thread.
waste because you think it is?
not that versatile?
it certainly beats carrying around one of those lame 400$ portable DVD players.
stripped down? who\'s going to listen to director commentaries on the bus into town?
UMD\'s are a success any way we look at it
they are selling a ton of UMD\'s and even sony was suprised at its success.
remember, sales = king?
tiny ass screen?
have you even touched one?
you are failing to recognize the portability factor.
i didnt realize that normal dvd\'s come in a nice protective shell, and fit nicely in a pocket.
"all about the games" is dead
convergence is in
just look at cell phones
i bought my PSP to play games, listen to mp3\'s, and watch movies. ergo, versatility.
DS = toy
sorry you didn\'t get the memo, pal
you don\'t have to bother with the UMD format, a hell of alot of other people already are.
From THIS (http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37919) thread.
taking the PSP on the bus is so much cooler than those 6" portable DVD players
From THIS (http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?p=536387) thread.
Someone else\'s quote: "Blu-Ray = stupid. Just like UMD."
mm\'s response:
you can\'t possibly be this ignorant
UMD\'s rock, don\'t know why you\'re so biased all of a sudden
:liar:
:jacked: *Goes back into hiding* :thumb:
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Heh I got a kick out of that.
Blade, just because it\'s a Wario Ware knockoff doesn\'t mean it won\'t be a good PSP game.
Not sure what XBLA is either... But Lumines is one of the best things on PSP, in my opinion.
I agree with the DS\'s overall superiority, not in power, but in worth. In value. In gameplay and in fun.
-Dan
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BS has a lot of time on his hands.
Eik: I agree on all points. I\'m just saying that regardless of what PSP does right on the game front, it usually ends up being a derivative of a potent Nintendo idea. Usually derivatives suck. Hopefully this WW-type game for PSP will be good, because I\'m this close to selling mine. Loco Roco is keeping it away from the used rack at my local EB Games.
XBLA = Xbox Live Arcade for Xbox 360. So, yes, you can get Lumines if you have an Xbox 360. It\'s not portable, but it\'s legal and cheap. I bought Lumines as my sole PSP game when I bought the system. I love it too.
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Oh Live Arcade, yeah I had read that. That\'ll be a nice fit alongside some of the other Arcade games. I have Hex-something or other. Geometry Wars.
It\'s a nice feature. Nintendo says it has a handful of original games instore for its virtual console besides just the BC stuff. Should be fun.
I hope bit Generations makes it to American shelves for GBA or to a VC/XBLA type deal.
-Dan
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@ mm
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.skoo.nildram.co.uk%2Fstuff%2Fpwned.jpg&hash=d55a582ffdc251ac38a346b80667170ef580f522)
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oh LIC could find games to play, he\'s just being a dick about it.
Only dick around here is you with your stuck up opinion that "sopishcated gamers" play the PSP.
Oh and..
Good job there BS - I didn\'t have time to look up all those quotes.
Doesn\'t matter tho\', MM will try to spin doctor his way out of every single quote.
And Blade nailed my point home, almost every "quality" game listed is nothing more than a stripped down port. Nothing more. And a lot of those still suffer from control issues, like the Tomb Raider that was mentioned. Come on, that just reaks of naming any big title on the PSP, not naming QUALITY titles.
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I bet MM has egg on his face now. But like LIC said, he will try to find a way to get around it and not look stupid, thats just the way he is. Now I will wait for MM to insult me like always.
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BS has a lot of time on his hands.
Damn you for pulling me out of hiding to defend my honor.
That was just a quick UMD/mm search with "Display by post" checked off. No more than 2-3 minutes. Procrastination tends to make me do anything to waste time no matter how ridiculous. All right, sweety?
*Hops on the Blue Line to Lurker Station*
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so DS titles arent ports of N64 games? :confused:
(especially in the graphics department)
i never hyped UMD as a movie format. i said it was way too expensive to succeed.
do i like UMD\'s as a movie format? sure, i can take one on the bus into work, watch half the movie on the way in, and finish it on the way home.
i like them ever more now that they will be cheaper very soon.
now UMD\'s as a game format? entirely different animal. carts = crippled.
and nice try, tho. really, BS. perhaps next time, you\'ll find the quotes that support me and not parts that contradict me. you have a bright future ahead of you at FOX news.
the rest of the scamps love it tho, so im pleased.
who the hell is BriantT?
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We should hang out sometime, BS. Go out looking for cheap women by Boston Common or something.
Maybe we could do a search for timeless mm quotes and use them on said girls. I\'m sure that there are out of 14,640+ posts, he\'s gotta have some damned good pickup lines. You do the forum search and I\'ll continue sucking down this Tequila Sunrise.
so DS titles arent ports of N64 games?
It was a matter of time before somebody pulled this one out. Now, I know that you were probably joking Mike, but I\'m going to answer it anyway.
What the solicitors of this argument always fail to mention (or realize) is that just because the DS\' CPU/GPU are only marginally better than N64\'s (and don\'t support interpolation) doesn\'t mean that it\'s gotten nothing but ports. The GBA has gotten way more straight ports in 5 years than DS or even PSP ever will. It\'s also the single biggest selling console ever (last I checked) so clearly the ports were a good idea.
The only major title (7.0 or greater from IGN) that I can single out as an N64 port is SM64DS. A launch title in one of the weakest launches ever. (IMO)
Otherwise, the closest thing in my 16-game DS library to a N64 port is... Animal Crossing: Wild World? Of course, it\'s vastly improved over Animal Forest and Animal Forest never came out in the US anyway.
Next?
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who\'s questioning the DS selling power?
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Nobody. I was talking about the GBA\'s ports not being a hindrance. Ports in general aren\'t a problem.
If the GameCube had more PS2/Xbox ports, it\'d have been no.2! If it had KOTOR, Ninja Gaiden, and Shenmue II I wouldn\'t own an Xbox.
The DS\' problem isn\'t ports, or loose ports. If anything, it suffers from a lot of multi-platform shovelware just like every other handheld ever made. The DS only makes an appearance in this thread because the PSP is being debated. It\'s the eternal duality all over again.
You can\'t discuss how much the PSP is struggling without talking about how well the DS is doing.
My being a Nintendo fan only adds to this!
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Tekken Resurrection isn\'t a port. It\'s not on ps2. It was an arcade update for tekken 5, and it plays beautifully. Like all games I’ve got on psp.
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it\'s not that it doesn\'t have any quality games. Notice that all of the games you listed are basically PS2 ports, and not as complete as their PS2 counterparts. Probably more expensive.
The important parts of my message are highlighted.
I don\'t doubt that Tekken 5: Resurrection rocks. I\'ve heard nothing but good things. I\'m sorry if you didn\'t understand that I put a lot of emphasis on one word and use blanket statements.
If I leave the DS and its near-polar-opposite-of-GCN game library (which is a far greater contrast than PS2/PSP) out of this, the PSP is a lot better off.
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If I leave the DS and its near-polar-opposite-of-GCN game library (which is a far greater contrast than PS2/PSP) out of this, the PSP is a lot better off.
Near polar opposite of N64? and i wouldn\'t compare GC/DS games to ps2, you won\'t win.
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No, I won\'t win because you\'re clearly playing a different "game."
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who\'s questioning the DS selling power?
Sales = King.
There, I said it. Sales are king the DS is king. All those things you have talked about, such as convergence and extra features, that means nothing if all it does is make the system more expensive and take the focus off games and apparently that is what has happened with the PSP. It\'s over priced for a handheld and it doesn\'t offer the library the DS does.
As for saying the DS has N64 ports, it has one, as Blade mentioned. One port. You can\'t count Animal Crossing: Wild World as a port, it\'s more of a sequel than anything.
Tekken Resurrection isn\'t a port. It\'s not on ps2. It was an arcade update for tekken 5, and it plays beautifully. Like all games I’ve got on psp.
Isn\'t Tekken 5 on the PS2?
Oh and MM, you\'d be perfect in politics. You said something and then try to wiggle your way out of it. Every single quote BS dug up on you, goes to show what faith you had in the UMD format and now what do you do? You do a 180 and try to say you didn\'t .
This one quote kills anything you deny.
they are selling a ton of UMD\'s and even sony was suprised at its success.
remember, sales = king?
Right. They\'re selling so many that they are pulling it off the shelves and Sony is goin\' to abandon it as a movie format.
"all about the games" is dead
convergence is in
just look at cell phones
i bought my PSP to play games, listen to mp3\'s, and watch movies. ergo, versatility.
"All about the games" isn\'t dead and for one reason. Price. It\'s cheaper to manufactor something that just plays games, leaving all the extra stuff and then, espically in the handheld market, cheap price equals sales.
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This forum will only tolerate logical, rational, and flat out intelligent conversations. Please leave the ignorance, hatred, and "fanboy" mentality at the door.
I Judge you all... GUILTY!
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I Judge you all... GUILTY!
:fu:
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Fatey: Nah. :)
This has been a good discussion so far. Pretty easy.
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No, I won\'t win because you\'re clearly playing a different "game."
Instead of talking bs, and throwing things in the air leaving things open to interpretation. Say what you’re "trying" to say and stop talking shit.
I\'m just wondering what you\'re gonna say when nintendo release a handheld on the same level as GC.
LIC, Tekken Resurrection is not a ps2 game. Tekken 5 is. Tekken Resurrection is a upgrade from tekken5.
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Instead of talking bs, and throwing things in the air leaving things open to interpretation. Say what you’re "trying" to say and stop talking shit.
I\'m just wondering what you\'re gonna say when nintendo release a handheld on the same level as GC.
LIC, Tekken Resurrection is not a ps2 game. Tekken 5 is. Tekken Resurrection is a upgrade from tekken5.
If it is an "upgrade from tekken5" and Tekken 5 is on the PS2 - it\'s a port with a new name. Nothing more. You can give or take features, if it is the basically the same game, which you say it is an update of Tekken 5 and Tekken 5 is on the PS2, then it is a port. Hate to burst your bubble.
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It\'s a arcade port, not a console port. So yea, its a port. Just not a direct console port. It\'s NOT on ps2. It has features that T5 hasn\'t got, characters it hasn\'t got, all new stages etc.
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It\'s a arcade port, not a console port. So yea, its a port. Just not a direct console port. It\'s NOT on ps2. It has features that T5 hasn\'t got, characters it hasn\'t got, all new stages etc.
If that is the case, then don\'t refer to it as Tekken 5 if it has all these things that the Tekken 5 don\'t have.
-shrugs-
Seems fairly simple to me. If you keep goin around saying it\'s an update of Tekken 5, people will assume that it\'s a port of Tekken 5 off on the PS2.
And ports isn\'t really the problem. The problem is lack of compelling games. The PSP has had a serious drought since launch and if it wasn\'t for all the third party applications, most people would of given up on the system along time ago.
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nintendo has third party developers?
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Who mentioned third party?
What does it matter?
If they put out enough solid first party titles, there isn\'t a drought. Doesn\'t matter if it\'s first party or third party. If anything, lack of third party cuts down on ports.
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ummm...you? (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=consistency) like 4 hours ago?
The PSP has had a serious drought since launch and if it wasn\'t for all the third party applications, most people would of given up on the system along time ago.
but this is where i find the slight enjoyment that you guys get pulling bits and pieces of what i say to throw it back. it\'s relatively easy to do, it just lacks funny.
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I\'m pretty sure by third party applications he was referring to homebrew apps, etc.
And Nintendo does have third party support for its handhelds. Even Rare makes games for them, and they\'re owned by Microsoft.
PSP\'s problem is that its games aren\'t typically made for a casual gamer\'s handheld appetite. Short play time, particularly. The controls are a little wonky on the system too. It really kills games like GTA, for me at least.
So it has the wrong games, a user-unfriendly interface for mp3s and what we\'re calling third-party applications, it\'s expensive, the games are expensive, and the movie feature is not something people are interested in. In its soft carrying case, it\'s also pretty big for a portable system or certainly for a music player.
It does some things right and is a decent system, and if you can wrap your head around the technology needed to fully exploit the system, you can do some cool things with it. So it\'s ok.
The PSP is ok. As a toy and as some kind of pseudo-multimedia machine, the PSP is average.
-Dan
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PSP\'s problem is that its games aren\'t typically made for a casual gamer\'s handheld appetite.
i swear noone reads my posts
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Eik is right. It\'s not that the PSP sucks, or is even bad. It\'s just a disappointment from a company that thought they were invincible. Perhaps if it debuted at a different time in gaming history, it would be more heralded. We will never know.
When you introduce the DS (especially the DS Lite) into the picture, it becomes even more disappointing. I\'m with Tycho from Penny-Arcade all the way with my interpretation of the situation: in April 2005, I thought the handheld battle was over. I thought that the DS was a noble but misguided attempt at innovation (based on its weak library and gimmicky titles) and that the PSP would easily overtake it in worldwide sales and high-profile game releases by the end of 2005. Cut to July 2006, and I have been proven very, very wrong.
In fact, the very next month (May 2005) Kirby: Canvas Curse came out and frankly the DS never looked back after that. Now then, on to specifics.
Instead of talking bs, and throwing things in the air leaving things open to interpretation. Say what you’re "trying" to say and stop talking shit.
I don\'t talk shit. I say what I mean, and I mean what I say. Sometimes I make it blunt, and sometimes I don\'t. We\'re all adults here, right? I figure I have some room to make pop culture references, use metaphors, and fire off innuendos in this discussion. My problem is that I sometimes hinge an argument on one word and it\'s one that people\'s brains overlook, for some reason. Scientists say that the human eye catches a lot less than you\'d expect upon first glance. Have you ever been asked by a friend to grab an item off a shelf, and been playfully scolded when you couldn\'t find it... but it was "right in front of you" the whole time? Same principle.
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Near polar opposite of N64? and i wouldn\'t compare GC/DS games to ps2, you won\'t win.
"GCN" stands for Nintendo GameCube. "N64" stands for Nintendo 64. I said "near polar opposite of GCN" but I could have easily slotted N64 in there instead. Why? My point was that the DS\' bread-and-butter games (for the most part, so "near polar opposite") aren\'t available on either GCN or N64. Animal Crossing is, Mario Kart is. These games support your argument, my friend. They also support mine. Mario Kart DS and AC:WW are actually better than their GCN counterparts, minus the graphical edge that the home console provides.
Curious. What do you mean by "don\'t compare GCN games to PS2 games"?
I\'m just wondering what you\'re gonna say when nintendo release a handheld on the same level as GC.
What would I say? It\'s hard to tell at this point. If it\'s laden with the same issues that the PSP has, I\'m not going to be ga-ga over it. Earlier in this post I told you that I was enthralled with the PSP at launch and ho-hum over the DS. I quickly changed my tune of course, and saw how much of a sap I\'d been to grab a $249 handheld at launch.
What Sony did wrong (and I assume that Nintendo will do right, if anything) is release the next handheld when the technology is there to support it. People whined that the GBA was 10 years behind in technology. They said the DS was 8 years behind. When the dust settled, it became clear that Nintendo had taken the correct route. Sony jumped out of the gate with a system that, when compared with the DS, is certainly stronger. A system that needed its powerful 333MHz CPU underclocked from launch just to last more than an hour or two on the road.
A system that despite a neat format (UMD) still struggles from difficult-to-stomach loadtimes. I\'m not even going to approach the UMD-Movie fiasco. When I saw that you could buy only the 2-part Pilot of LOST on UMD for upwards of $14.99 (where as the full 25-episode season complete with extras on DVD was $~34.99~) I laughed out loud in the store.
Thankfully for Sony, the PSP is upgradable. I\'m really proud of them for making the battery easily removable, for instance. I cited things like that as the reason I bought it. I knew it\'d last. I still think it\'ll last, it\'s a Playstation for Christ\'s sake. I just find it sad that only one or two games between Hot Shots Golf and Loco Roco had me salivating. One of them was Mercury, the other was Exit. GTA:LCS looked great, but I haven\'t even opened my copy of SA.
Tekken Resurrection is not a ps2 game. Tekken 5 is. Tekken Resurrection is a upgrade from tekken5
This is like saying that Street Fighter 2 Turbo is not a Street Fighter 2 game.
Tekken Resurrection is great, though, and we shouldn\'t knock it. Too bad the PSP\'s D-Pad sucks.
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i swear noone reads my posts
Unfortunately, we do. ;]
It\'s ok to say "I agree" when "you agree".
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This is like saying that Street Fighter 2 Turbo is not a Street Fighter 2 game.
Tekken Resurrection is great, though, and we shouldn\'t knock it. Too bad the PSP\'s D-Pad sucks.
eh, it\'s not like saying its from the same game series.. I said TDR isn\'t a ps2 game, not TDR isn\'t a tekken game, Apples and oranges... Comparing it to T5 is almost like comparing T3 to TTT.
Tekken Resurrection isn\'t on PS2, as far as i know, theres no set release date. I\'m not even sure if it\'ll end up on ps2. Go play it before you compare it to T5, It has a shit loads of improvements. As for the Dpad issue, use the analog stick. If you can\'t use it, practice.
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Or I could buy that new D-Pad Capcom put out that permanently sticks on top of the old one.
Improvements don\'t change the fact that it is literally Tekken 5.5.
Why argue this? Nintendo did it too, with Animal Crossing: Wild World. For all intents and purposes, it\'s Animal Crossing 1.5. I\'m not bashing Resurrection here at all, I\'m just setting the record straight.
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i swear noone reads my posts
You finally notice that.
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if i really wanted to "fix" the dpad, i\'d just make a plate for between the rubber pad and dpad. Problem fixed. But the analog does me fine.. Tekken 5.5 or not, it\'s still not console port.
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It\'s an arcade port of a game that was, earlier... in a reduced state, ported to the PS2.
So technically it\'s not a "port" port and I\'ve never argued that point. Notice how you\'re focusing on one game that\'s been considered either the best or near the best title on PSP...
Do you want to draw out this discussion to cover every other PSP game that appeared on the PS2 in the past year?
You still haven\'t answered my question regarding GCN and PS2.
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What question? and i\'m not focusing on anything. People keep claiming tdr is a ps2 port. I say otherwise.
You keep acting as if DS hasn\'t got any ports. If psp has mainly ports, do i care? nope.
It\'s portable and thats why i bought it. When you can play Tekken, Defjam, Fight Night Round 3, Snooker, Streetfighter, Mercury, DBZ, etc and all the nice neogeo, snes, megadrive, GBA, N64 games on the DS give me a buzz, because until then, it doesn\'t interest me.
You\'ll notice i\'m mainly into fighting games, if u see my IGN (http://club.ign.com/b/list/custom?lid=100018&owner=SoulGrind3&mode=view&sortC=6&sortDir=-1) list for ps2 (although outdated by months/years) most of the games are also fighters. Hence why i bought it. Fighters, Homebrew and all the rest is just a bonus.
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Hands down you have the best handheld for your tastes.
I\'m the complete opposite. I don\'t want ports or clones. I want new titles for short bursts of play. I don\'t want multimedia or mp3\'s and I want it to be cheap.
In fact, SM64DS is one of my least favorite DS games. (Least is Nintendogs, boy did they sucker me into that.)
Before the DS really started taking off with fun software, I was buying more games for my PSP than the DS. Lumines, Need for Speed, I tried Mercury. I wanted Hot Shots Golf but after EA sent me a few BIG titles and other games like Tiger Woods and then I got burned with a lame duck GTA title, I lost interest and haven\'t looked back.
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I\'m not bashing you, Souly. I just needed to hear your full opinion without the fanboy nonsense.
I agree 100% that PSP is the portable fighter king.
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I agree 100% that PSP is the portable fighter king.
That like saying it is the fastest kid with autism. Not saying a lot really.
ummm...you? like 4 hours ago?
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The PSP has had a serious drought since launch and if it wasn\'t for all the third party applications, most people would of given up on the system along time ago.
but this is where i find the slight enjoyment that you guys get pulling bits and pieces of what i say to throw it back. it\'s relatively easy to do, it just lacks funny.
Eh? Your point?
Third Party Applications = Homebrew stuff. Maybe I should of made myself more clear with that. I was not reffering to actual developers.
Nice try tho\'.
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i swear noone reads my posts
Not anymore. :p With you flip flopping all over the place its hard to care now.
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i gotta keep you guys dancing, or i lose interest.
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Flip flopper.
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hey, i didn\'t sell out.
i bought my way in.
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How?
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.timeinc.net%2Ftime%2Fcovers%2F1101040209%2Fimages%2F376_nheinz.jpg&hash=57f0e1394ba7693029514889ac849f04ecc950d6)
Oh.
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This site needs mm as he is the comic relief. BTW Im just kidding mm have a sense of humor.
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Not really. He flip\'s and then he flop\'s, when called on it he either denies it or tries dry sense of humor to get around the subject matter.
-shrugs-
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or i could be like LIC , misquoting when the arguments fits. along with a keen desperation to be funny.
...just saying
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BrianT already has an avatar?
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BrianT already has an avatar?
yea....i noticed that too. i used to bust my ass tryin\' to get my post count up to 500 in the hot babe thread just so i could get an avy! what happened to the high standards of this forum? :mad:...:p...now any newbie can come in here from the jump and get an avy? who\'s in charge of quality control?..:p
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fixed
...but when the forum was upgraded, my custom code was lost. i couldn\'t be arsed to fix it right now. please don\'t use an avatar, BrianT. :)
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but how will i know what he looks like in real life