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Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Eiksirf on August 04, 2006, 03:34:22 AM
Ubisoft is bringing Red Steel and Rayman on day one, but they also promise 5 more games within the first month or two (launch window):
 
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Blazing Angels®: Squadrons of WW II: As a squadron leader and ace fighter pilot, leverage the Wii controller to experience intense dog fighting in the famous air battles of WW II. Air combat simulation, rating pending.
 
Far Cry®: As Jack Carver, use the Wii Remote to drive, shoot, slash, jump and climb your way through a rebel-infested tropical hell. First-person action shooter, rating pending.
 
GT Pro Series: Immerse yourself in the fast-paced action of this exclusive Wii car-racing game and take full advantage of the Wii Remote. Racing game, rating pending.
 
Open Season™: Allows gamers to relive the humor and adventure of Sony Pictures Animation’s highly anticipated, first feature-length CG animated film. Kids adventure, rating pending.
 
Monster 4X4 World Circuit: Use the Wii Remote to perform spectacular stunts, jump and race the most powerful Monster Trucks, and go head-to-head in pulse-pounding off-road competitions all over the world. Truck racing, rating pending.
 
Rayman Raving Rabbids™: Experience the return of Rayman when his world is threatened by a devastating invasion of crazed, out-of-control bunnies. Whether it be crazy Kung-Fu action or competing in the cow toss, players will use the Wii Remote in the most imaginative and innovative ways possible to defeat these whacky rabbids. Action-adventure, rating pending.
 
Red Steel™: This Wii exclusive title takes place in modern-day Japan and challenges players to master both the ancient art of the katana and the sophisticated technology of modern firearms. First-person action, rating pending.

I need to start reserving some stuff. I\'m looking to get a Wii along with WiiSports, ExciteTruck, Zelda, Sonic, Rayman, Red Steel and now maybe something else. Even Madden is kind of tempting with the kicking, snapping, passing and tackle controls. You push both hands forward to dive on a guy. Unless you\'re mm, that\'s cool. :)
 
There\'s also a Metroid game from Nintendo for kids who like that kinda thing. DragonQuest is a launch game I think, and we learned that Mortal Kombat: Armageddon is coming to Wii, PS2 and Xbox recently. That game has every character from the game\'s past. Plus a couple more. Not sure when that comes out, though.
 
I know MK sucks typically, but Goro vs Shao Kahn? Come on!
 
If GT Pro lets you hold the remote sideways in your left hand to steer and the nunchuck in your right hand to shift, I\'m there.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: mm on August 04, 2006, 04:19:34 AM
where\'s the mario title?
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: JBean on August 04, 2006, 05:25:50 AM
Quote from: mm
where\'s the mario title?


I think those are all ubi games, mario games are made by nintendo :thumb:
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Living-In-Clip on August 04, 2006, 05:30:08 AM
Quote from: mm
where\'s the mario title?

Pay attention, we\'ve tried to tell you time and time again, there is no Mario title.


With that said, expected release date is Oct 2. I\'ll be getting one launch day.

Zelda, Sonic, Rayman and MAYBE Metroid.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Knotter8 on August 04, 2006, 06:27:27 AM
^ I don\'t think he really meant it as a question. It\'s not a classroom.

Anyway, diverse & quality third party support might not be a problem this time around. I\'m anxious to see how these games will be \'reborn\' on the Wii. Knowing Ubi, they\'ll make a decent effort at least.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Eiksirf on August 04, 2006, 06:58:27 AM
I didn\'t used to think much of Ubisoft, but coming off King Kong, Beyond Good and Evil and Prince of Persia, well now you\'ve got a contender.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Blade on August 04, 2006, 07:42:31 AM
Show the man some respect, people!

mm: Super Mario Galaxy is supposed to be out within 6 months of launch.

As for me, I\'m definitely getting Zelda at launch. My brother and I are debating which other titles to get, but Metroid Prime 3 is a top contender... the new Rayman game is probably up there too. Wii Sports. Maybe WarioWare if that makes launch.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: THX on August 04, 2006, 10:44:04 PM
Red Steel is looking cool.  Just for fun:

Red Steel (Wii):

(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frevolutionmedia.ign.com%2Frevolution%2Fimage%2Farticle%2F704%2F704040%2Fe3-red-steel-screens-20060501034051480.jpg&hash=7fe8c9de2d0aee0ae6c13bc124144b548750963c)

vs.

Killing Day (PS3):

(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fps3media.ign.com%2Fps3%2Fimage%2Farticle%2F614%2F614780%2Fkilling-day-20060117012509828.jpg&hash=4f6359299b737524b6138dc0906d50cb802a0072)

Screenies are just screenies I know, but both look like a blast to play.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: NVIDIA256 on August 04, 2006, 11:57:35 PM
i\'d tap it
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: mm on August 05, 2006, 04:50:04 AM
both look like ass to me
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Knotter8 on August 05, 2006, 05:14:48 AM
Both target renders. :thumb:

Anyway, Red Steel cannot be judged solely on screenshots or visual style.

If Ubi can get the player input to translated 1 on 1 into gameplay moves + solid multiplayer maps ; that might make it top GoldenEye 007 & PD imho.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Unicron! on August 05, 2006, 08:28:57 AM
Quote from: mm
both look like ass to me


And why is that?
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Blade on August 05, 2006, 01:15:42 PM
He\'s been watching way too much Advent Children.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: mm on August 05, 2006, 02:51:48 PM
since when can wii do 1024x768?

it\'s still crummy 480P, no?
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: NVIDIA256 on August 05, 2006, 04:31:29 PM
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Both target renders


Well F**K me royally.

2 problems with []2(aka wii)

720P would have been really nice(this I can live with, just barley)

The fact that they did Piss all to improve their gpu really is a major let down. Conservatively they say wii is 1.5x the power of Cube. In regards to Nintendo I don\'t expect a graphics powerhouse, but on the flip side I do expect next gen. wii other than its new control scheme is nothing but an upgraded []

The only saving grace for this system will be if Nintendo can pump out the quality AAA tittles that SONY AND M$ are lacking. New and innovative game play will be the key here. I will be sure to pick one up in the used bin as I do for most all consoles.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Jumpman on August 05, 2006, 07:20:30 PM
Zelda and Metroid on launch day...sold here.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Eiksirf on August 06, 2006, 11:45:55 AM
Graphics are meaningless.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Unicron! on August 06, 2006, 12:40:50 PM
Quote from: mm
since when can wii do 1024x768?

it\'s still crummy 480P, no?

Yeah but you said that they look like ass when

1)They are target renderes

2)480p or not isnt enough evidence it looks bad right?
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Viper_Fujax on August 06, 2006, 01:04:59 PM
Quote from: Eiksirf
Graphics are meaningless.


I wouldnt go that far...its definitly an important part. I mainly play sports games on consoles and two of the big things i look at are graphics and physics (obviously everyone wants good gameplay). I dont expect toy story graphics or anything, but it has to be good. NHL2k6 is a good game with pretty bad graphics (2k7 looks the same..if not worse), nhl 07 looks like good graphics and is probably a good game...im going with nhl 07.

If graphics arent important, then why pay that much for a new console? might as well get the same game on ps2.

As for the shooters here..red steel looks alright..the ps3 one looks like shit..mainly the way the gun is held (and that a pistol did that to a window hes not pointing at,lol)
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: BrianT on August 06, 2006, 01:06:20 PM
I am also sad that Super Mario Galaxy isn\'t a launch title, but Im still gonna get a WII because of the virtual console, Zelda and Smash Bros. Brawl. I can wait as SMG will be out soon.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Eiksirf on August 06, 2006, 02:10:54 PM
Quote from: Viper_Fujax
I wouldnt go that far...its definitly an important part. I mainly play sports games on consoles and two of the big things i look at are graphics and physics (obviously everyone wants good gameplay). I dont expect toy story graphics or anything, but it has to be good. NHL2k6 is a good game with pretty bad graphics (2k7 looks the same..if not worse), nhl 07 looks like good graphics and is probably a good game...im going with nhl 07.

If graphics arent important, then why pay that much for a new console? might as well get the same game on ps2.


Sports games are the worst offenders. Just today I dusted off MLB2K6 again. It has nice graphics.

And it absolutely sucks.

Graphics aren\'t worth a damn thing. I\'m not buying a Wii for graphics, and I\'m not buying a PS3 because Sony jacked the price up to allow for nicer graphics.

Take a good game and you have a good game. Add nice graphics on top of that and you have a good game with nice graphics.

But a shiny turd is still a turd.

Graphics are meaningless.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Knotter8 on August 06, 2006, 02:32:55 PM
Quote from: Eiksirf


Graphics are meaningless.


Hmmm.. not in every sense of the word.

You\'ll need the \'appropiate graphics\'  to complement gameplay.

What\'s a Splinter Cell game without realtime shadowing/lighting.
You\'ll benefit as a sniper in any mp online wargame from higher
resolution graphics. Better drawdistance and \'sense of speed\'
will make a better racing game, etc.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: mm on August 06, 2006, 04:25:06 PM
so why not just release a wii controller for the GC then?
it\'s not like you\'re paying 200-250$ for better graphics, right?

is a goofy controller worth that?
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Living-In-Clip on August 06, 2006, 04:29:02 PM
Quote from: mm
so why not just release a wii controller for the GC then?
it\'s not like you\'re paying 200-250$ for better graphics, right?

is a goofy controller worth that?


You act as if they are identical in hardware, not only graphics wise. I know you can\'t really be that clueless.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: mm on August 06, 2006, 04:38:32 PM
you didn\'t answer the question (as usual)

the step from GC -> wii is nowhere near what sony and microsoft have done

then again, that\'s why you\'re paying a budget price
nintendo small stepping you again.
when\'s the DS-lite 2x color super cute version coming out again?
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Blade on August 06, 2006, 06:57:35 PM
mm: Just stop. The Wii is going to be worth the $199.

Unfortunately, Nintendo reps have been telling retailers that it\'ll be $249.

I hope not. Big-time error.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: mm on August 06, 2006, 07:45:22 PM
define 199$ worth over previous generation, please.
if graphics aren\'t important, why not a wii controller for the GC?

and what happens when someone plugs a wii into a 720P widescreen TV?  yum, black bars.....

feel free to not reply to these questions, LIC.  thanks
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Viper_Fujax on August 06, 2006, 08:03:59 PM
Quote from: mm
define 199$ worth over previous generation, please.
if graphics aren\'t important, why not a wii controller for the GC?


thats exactly what i was saying..
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Living-In-Clip on August 07, 2006, 02:16:18 AM
Quote from: mm
define 199$ worth over previous generation, please.
if graphics aren\'t important, why not a wii controller for the GC?

and what happens when someone plugs a wii into a 720P widescreen TV?  yum, black bars.....

feel free to not reply to these questions, LIC.  thanks

VIrtual console.
New CPU.
Wii controller.
The list goes on and on. Is it a HUGE upgrade from the GC graphics wise? No. Is it an upgrade? Yes.


As for the DS comment - last I checked, only new version of the DS is the DS LITE. No one forced anyone to buy that. It\'s no different than when Sony made a "PsTwo".

You\'re the one who dances around questions, not I.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Knotter8 on August 07, 2006, 03:15:59 AM
Quote from: mm
define 199$ worth over previous generation, please.
if graphics aren\'t important, why not a wii controller for the GC?

and what happens when someone plugs a wii into a 720P widescreen TV?  yum, black bars.....

feel free to not reply to these questions, LIC.  thanks

Well, most likely, MM\'s grasps what the Wii platfrom encompasses ;
an established developing platform for new user interface based gaming, the whole virtual console backwards compatibility and last but not least, the new styling.

Of course, his argument is a smart counter argument against those of others who needlessly slam other consoles for having graphics as one of the main selling points.

If \'graphics\' is totally not their console criteria and they keep stressing this point ; then it\'s equally reasonable to question why GameCube + new controller wouldn\'t be a viable option.

It\'s argumenting matter of principle.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Eiksirf on August 07, 2006, 03:22:18 AM
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the step from GC -> wii is nowhere near what sony and microsoft have done
 
then again, that\'s why you\'re paying a budget price

Nice reasoning.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Eiksirf on August 07, 2006, 03:24:49 AM
If Nintendo released a new controller and bundled it with a first party game for Gamecube, it could maybe sell 750,000 copies and that\'d be the end.
 
Instead, they\'ve created another cashcow and a viable next generation system.
 
We\'re smarter than the average consumer, no need to start playing dumb now.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: mm on August 07, 2006, 03:41:45 AM
how is it "next generation"?
it\'s barely a graphical upgrade, especially when it\'s not even hi-def.
i\'m glad they didn\'t include a hard drive (wait, where are these "vitual console" games being stored), but not supporting 720P at the least is a ball shot which will crippled them.

i\'ll agree that graphics do not make the game, but black bars make me want to vomit.

nintendo WILL nickle and dime you on the "virtual console".  bet on that, LIC.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Jumpman on August 07, 2006, 03:43:14 AM
if wii is gc 2.0 then ps3 is ps2.5
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: mm on August 07, 2006, 03:53:14 AM
it can be \'PS 2.1 blu-ray is the devil we want your soul edition\' for all i care

and how exactly is that a counter point to this discussion?
but that must have taken alot of effort
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Living-In-Clip on August 07, 2006, 04:21:59 AM
The fact that the PS3 is $600 bucks , all because they decided to use it as a push for a movie format. You\'re paying an outrageous price, for a graphical jump and a Blu-Ray player. If you want to do that, then fine, but don\'t try and act like Sony isn\'t doing the exact same thing. Where as Nintendo is using the Wii just for gaming, Sony is hardly paying any attention to the gaming aspect and focusing on pushing their next generation movie format.

By the time I pay for a Wii, I can still pick up an HD-DVD player if I so choose or I can go ahead and get an Xbox 360. Two for the price of one.


As for the black bars comment - must not watch a lot of widescreen movies. Honestly, I don\'t see the big deal in the "black bars". At that point, you\'re just nit-picking and doing nothing more.



And the nickle and diming comment. They can go ahead and nickle and dime me, it\'s still a lot cheaper than tracking down a lot of those games on Ebay or other venues.


(And speaking of Blu-Ray, anyone else watching that format war? Blu-Ray has been NOTHING but a dissapointment. Movie studios are now starting to back HD-DVD more and more. Not crying doom on the Blu-Ray format, but it is nowhere living up to the hype it generated.)
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Knotter8 on August 07, 2006, 04:33:47 AM
Nobody\'s got a crystal ball ( right ? )

but i think, at the very least... Wii will have great initial sales.

(PAL) PS3\'s launch price is actually 22 Euros cheaper than (PAL) PS2\'s launchprice, if we were to take the non HDMI / 20Gb HD version.

The HDMI version is indeed 78 euros more expensive than the PS2 was
at PAL launch, which was € 522.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Eiksirf on August 07, 2006, 04:39:43 AM
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how is it "next generation"?
it\'s barely a graphical upgrade, especially when it\'s not even hi-def.
i\'m glad they didn\'t include a hard drive (wait, where are these "vitual console" games being stored), but not supporting 720P at the least is a ball shot which will crippled them.

If you define a next-generation system as a system with high definition output, then Wii is not a next gen system. Also, it has 512MB of memory so they will be saved there until or if that gets full, and then there are SD card slots to use as memory cards.
 
Let\'s be honest, though. The only definition we have for next-generation system is "the system that comes out after the one we\'re using". And that\'s what Wii is. If you prefer Nintendo PR, you can call it the "new generation."
 
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i\'ll agree that graphics do not make the game, but black bars make me want to vomit.

Consult a physician. ;]
 
-Dan
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: mm on August 07, 2006, 05:22:16 AM
LIC, when will you learn that price doesn\'t matter
how many 50$k+ cars do you see on the road?
it\'s moot and not even a consideration.

blu-ray will explode like the DVD format did when PS2 was launched.

i don\'t watch any pan and scan films on my widescreen TV if i can help it.
you must not own one yet, pity.

my (the) definition of "next generation" is substantial advancement in graphics and/or gameplay.
the wii controller has been done before.   moving a controller in the air in front of you is hardly something new.
so that leaves graphics....oh yeah.

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Nobody\'s got a crystal ball ( right ? )
my crystal ball is deductive reasoning.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Eiksirf on August 07, 2006, 05:43:44 AM
I question some of your deductive reasoning this time around.
 
LIC, when will you learn that price doesn\'t matter
how many 50$k+ cars do you see on the road?
it\'s moot and not even a consideration.

 
Huh? The real question is, how many people have $50,000 cars hooked up in their living rooms as a video game console. And if you\'re thinking that doesn\'t make sense, now you know what I thought when I read your explanation. Fact is, history has proven that U.S. gamers don\'t go that deep into the wallet when purchasing a console. PS3 is poised to sell well... but for how long after launch? No amount of deductive reasoning can provide the answer to that one. Too many variables.

blu-ray will explode like the DVD format did when PS2 was launched.
 
Like how UMD exploded at the dawn of PSP? What else will happen in the future?

i don\'t watch any pan and scan films on my widescreen TV if i can help it. you must not own one yet, pity.
 
Oh, I think the confusion here was that LIC knew Wii games have been reported as being widescreen (we\'ll see) and he thought you meant bars going the other way.

my (the) definition of "next generation" is substantial advancement in graphics and/or gameplay.
 
Substantial meaning....?

the wii controller has been done before. moving a controller in the air in front of you is hardly something new.
 
It\'s true, I play most of my PS2, GCN, Xbox, SNES, NES, Dreamcast, Genesis and Xbox 360 games by moving my controller in the air. It\'s so normal that I forget it\'s supposed to be a new feature.  That or you\'re just being an asshat at this point. One of the two.

so that leaves graphics....oh yeah.
 
True. They\'re improved, sure. But not to mm\'s definition of substantial, so why bother?
 
-Dan
 
/goes back to playing Frogger
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: mm on August 07, 2006, 06:53:01 AM
...for like 15 minutes untill the novelty wears off.

UMD = proprietary format.   i\'m shocked you would stoop so low, eik.
why not throw "rootkit" in there somewhere.

there\'s variables, and there\'s logical progression linking them.

and cost?  
how many people pay cash for consoles vs how many throw them on the ol\' credit card?

480P is not true widescreen, unless they can stretch it some goofy resolution.
ex:
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.digitalconnection.com%2Fdownloads%2Fku_sd.jpg&hash=e3a29f0ec11a7a979924972b17a85d0cd629987f)
yeah, that\'s good times
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Eiksirf on August 07, 2006, 07:16:21 AM
^^ I\'m familiar with that. I typically just mush it to fit the screen rather than look at the vertical bars. After a minute I don\'t notice the squashiness anymore heh.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Living-In-Clip on August 07, 2006, 09:05:53 AM
I own a widescreen TV, owned one for three years - so don\'t try that. It doesn\'t bother most of us. Plus , chances are , most developers will add a WS option to the game.

-shrugs-

As for the UMD comment, this is the same nonsense you spouted when UMD was around. Oh, it\'s gonna take off, blah, blah. HD-DVD has support, been out longer and people are already adopting it.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Eiksirf on August 07, 2006, 09:29:29 AM
Heh, well, you know mm. Eternal optimist. ;]
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Jumpman on August 07, 2006, 09:29:35 AM
Quote from: mm


and how exactly is that a counter point to this discussion?
but that must have taken alot of effort

it didn\'t, and it wasn\'t a counter point

you would of had to have made a point first for that to happen
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: mm on August 07, 2006, 10:24:23 AM
perhaps you should stop trying to be funny then?

LIC, if black bars do not bother you then why buy a widescreen TV?  it defeats the entire purpose.

how exactly can you implement a widescreen option for a 4:3 format?
vertical letterboxing?  lol

why abandon a console when graphics don\'t matter and the new one is marginally better?
you see NGC\'s release schedule for august?
yeah, one title.

nintendo is releasing a new console just for the sake of releasing a new console since the other guys are.
make a wii controller for the NGC and you guys would rebuy all the first party titles again.  you already have.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Eiksirf on August 07, 2006, 10:38:58 AM
GCN is third in the current gen. Trying to compete with two newer platforms would be very difficult.
 
With a new system Nintendo can establish a stronger brand, not to mention make an additional bit of money off the people who bought a GCN but will also buy a Wii.
 
Assuming they don\'t sell at a loss, which they might end up doing to expand marketshare.
 
GCN didn\'t work, and Nintendo needs a new system to gain a stronger foothold in the marketplace.
 
You know full well that a fancy controller wouldn\'t have made a splash on GCN or in the marketplace, but the Wii is positioned in such a way that it could conceivably outsell either of the competing consoles.
 
It\'s just smart business in this case.
 
And don\'t underestimate the differences between the Cube and Wii. They\'re not the same system. Wii has better hardware, unique control and more internal features.
 
And it also has way more buzz than Gamecube and has already garnered stronger third party support.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Samwise on August 07, 2006, 12:46:20 PM
7-11 sez da Wii be $299.

That would be funny considering most people are expecting/hoping for $199.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Eiksirf on August 07, 2006, 01:19:37 PM
Nintendo hasn\'t announced a price except to officially say it will have an MSRP of less than $250.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Living-In-Clip on August 07, 2006, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: mm
perhaps you should stop trying to be funny then?

LIC, if black bars do not bother you then why buy a widescreen TV?  it defeats the entire purpose.

how exactly can you implement a widescreen option for a 4:3 format?
vertical letterboxing?  lol=


Anamorphic. I can watch it with bars -doesn\'t bother me. But on some films....what\'cha know, no black bars.

I bought a widescreen TV, because I could - what exactly is your point?

And as for the "Widescreen option" - stretch..Stretch..stretch. Or just make games like Resident Evil 4, with...what\'cha know, bars at the top and bottom!. OH NO!
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on August 07, 2006, 04:02:38 PM
i like consoles....
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: mm on August 07, 2006, 04:27:10 PM
stretching 4:3 = lame, regardless of your excuse.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Blade on August 07, 2006, 06:27:27 PM
mm doesn\'t know what anamorphic widescreen is? Jesus.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: mm on August 07, 2006, 06:59:04 PM
[insert dramatic sound effect here]
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Eiksirf on August 08, 2006, 03:08:49 AM
In other news, Ubisoft confirmed a Prince of Persia in development for Wii as well.
 
I also do not know what anamorphic whatchamacallit is.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: mm on August 08, 2006, 04:03:58 AM
it has little to do with gaming and more to do with movies.
it\'s when the frame is optically "squeezed"
always looks wrong, but it removes the black bars that people like me hate.

(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F6%2F64%2FDVD-Video_enhancement_using_anamorphic_lens.gif&hash=c2649f085b8cd02a8195f6e91e37588258d888c2)

i\'m not going to budge on this.
sure the wii will have some killer first party titles (if i can use the controller in the traditional method), but not supporting HD was stupid.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Eiksirf on August 08, 2006, 04:16:04 AM
^^
 
So it\'s a projector thing? I checked out that link you provided and I get it, but it can\'t work for a tv if I read correctly.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Paul2 on August 08, 2006, 04:55:57 AM
Wii is said to be in 480p, and that can means widescreen 480p.  Although not high def, but 480p can be true widescreen of 16:9 aspect ratio, like this 853 x 480p which is a 16:9 aspect ratio...

A 4 by 3 aspect ratio can be in 640 x 480p.  I think wii supports both 4:3 and 16:9 aspect ratios, although limit to 480p resolution.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Living-In-Clip on August 08, 2006, 06:48:02 AM
Quote from: mm
it has little to do with gaming and more to do with movies.
it\'s when the frame is optically "squeezed"
always looks wrong, but it removes the black bars that people like me hate.

(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F6%2F64%2FDVD-Video_enhancement_using_anamorphic_lens.gif&hash=c2649f085b8cd02a8195f6e91e37588258d888c2)

i\'m not going to budge on this.
sure the wii will have some killer first party titles (if i can use the controller in the traditional method), but not supporting HD was stupid.


And if you "use the controller in the traditional method", then you just defeated one of the main attractions of the WII. Congratulations.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Eiksirf on August 08, 2006, 07:59:09 AM
He\'s not open to new, gimmicky control schemes. Only old, gimmicky control schemes are acceptable.
 
Look I push this button and my guy jumps!
Look I move this controller and my guy jumps!
 
Just as corny. Will one be more fun? Looks like some of us will find out. We\'ll let you know mm.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Blade on August 08, 2006, 08:57:18 AM
Oh, he\'ll be buying it, Eik.

Don\'t misunderstand mm, he gets worked up whenever something new and exciting tickles his fancy.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Unicron! on August 08, 2006, 09:49:58 AM
The only thing I currently dont like on Wii are the bars I ll have to place in front of my TV.
I dont know if the lack of physics and AI will be any problem yet. But it sure is a huge plus for 360 and PS3.

I am buying one anyways! Its cheap, and looks fun
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Eiksirf on August 08, 2006, 10:05:39 AM
I have yet to see a game where I go "wow, that\'s awesome AI"
 
Obviously developers still program little routes for different NPC, but actual AI? It\'s never seemed very deep.
 
Even in Fable, there\'s clearly a set table of figures determining people\'s reactions.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Knotter8 on August 08, 2006, 10:23:42 AM
Quote from: Eiksirf
He\'s not open to new, gimmicky control schemes. Only old, gimmicky control schemes are acceptable.
 
Look I push this button and my guy jumps!
Look I move this controller and my guy jumps!
 
Just as corny. Will one be more fun? Looks like some of us will find out. We\'ll let you know mm.


Yeah, but control for succes is still the developer\'s hands ( ;) )

We have seen some developers/press people play Wii and we heard most of them say it was pretty fun,

but the majority of people hasn\'t actually played the Wii (finished) games yet ;

actual succes is dependent on getting this new kind of control right. It has to feel RIGHT, intuitive yet precise.

It\'s about having this feeling of control : that a slight different movement really makes a decisive difference, is key to succesfull game control (Read Steven Poole\'s book TriggerHappy ; the inner life of videogames, on the topic of Pachinko play).

If devs can\'t get this Wii fundamental right ; game failed

If movement input will translate to game, resulting in either of a couple of pre-scripted ingame movements ; Wii game failed. For a couple of set in stone moves, one might as well push a couple of buttons.

1 on 1 move translation to ingame movement will be crucial to Wii games.
Some will succeed, others will falter.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Living-In-Clip on August 08, 2006, 11:02:32 AM
Quote from: Knotter8
Yeah, but control for succes is still the developer\'s hands ( ;) )

We have seen some developers/press people play Wii and we heard most of them say it was pretty fun,

but the majority of people hasn\'t actually played the Wii (finished) games yet ;

actual succes is dependent on getting this new kind of control right. It has to feel RIGHT, intuitive yet precise.

It\'s about having this feeling of control : that a slight different movement really makes a decisive difference, is key to succesfull game control (Read Steven Poole\'s book TriggerHappy ; the inner life of videogames, on the topic of Pachinko play).

If devs can\'t get this Wii fundamental right ; game failed

If movement input will translate to game, resulting in either of a couple of pre-scripted ingame movements ; Wii game failed. For a couple of set in stone moves, one might as well push a couple of buttons.

1 on 1 move translation to ingame movement will be crucial to Wii games.
Some will succeed, others will falter.


And some games falter with a regular control scheme, I fail to see the point. You\'re only pointing out the obvious, that some games won\'t make a proper use of the Wii controller.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Eiksirf on August 08, 2006, 11:19:03 AM
The real obstacle about one to one movement is obstructions. If your character\'s hand hits a wall, you in real life can still move through it.
 
The only thing I can think of is to implement rumble in this instance and stop the remote from being effective unless players move away from the wall.
 
It\'s not quite one to one, but it\'s as intuitive as I can think to make it.
 
-Dan
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Knotter8 on August 08, 2006, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: Living-In-Clip
And some games falter with a regular control scheme, I fail to see the point. You\'re only pointing out the obvious, that some games won\'t make a proper use of the Wii controller.

The point you missed is that devs have 20 years or so, experience with button/gamepad control. It\'s something which, by now has been refined and well established.

Yeah, there\'ll be rotten apples in each control scheme, be it gamepad or Wii control.

However, timing is key ; it\'ll be important that Wii\'s first batch of games has a majority of games which get it right ;

a good first impression, to the gaming world, is crucial.

Also, believe it or not, the question still stands whether the public will dig such control en masse, or not. Through previews, hearing & seeing most people look forward to it yet a \'final verdict\' can\'t be made until all people actually play it, feel it. Until now, they\'ve only "seen a book\'s cover which\' looks they like".
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Unicron! on August 08, 2006, 02:33:14 PM
Quote from: Eiksirf
I have yet to see a game where I go "wow, that\'s awesome AI"
 
Obviously developers still program little routes for different NPC, but actual AI? It\'s never seemed very deep.
 
Even in Fable, there\'s clearly a set table of figures determining people\'s reactions.

Rarely we do see AI that make you go WOW but then again nobody talked about actual AI. there is a sensed atleast indirect difference in games, predetermined or not routes and there are many examples to mention where AI (atleast in a gaming  sense) that do make the experience better  and change the way you think in the game.

And what about physics?
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: THX on August 08, 2006, 03:40:54 PM
Quote from: Paul2
Wii is said to be in 480p, and that can means widescreen 480p.  Although not high def, but 480p can be true widescreen of 16:9 aspect ratio, like this 853 x 480p which is a 16:9 aspect ratio...

A 4 by 3 aspect ratio can be in 640 x 480p.  I think wii supports both 4:3 and 16:9 aspect ratios, although limit to 480p resolution.
Paul\'s right.  My old projector did 854x480 a true widescreen, SD resolution.

848x480 is a standard resolution selectable on just about all modern graphics cards.

That siad, it\'s extremely silly to stick with that low resolution for a console that\'s supposed to last until 2010.
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: NVIDIA256 on August 08, 2006, 07:30:18 PM
agreed, but we are talking about nintendo
Title: More Wii launch games
Post by: Eiksirf on August 10, 2006, 10:04:30 AM
Aaaanyway, here\'s a "confirmed" launch lineup.
 
Clicky (http://www.nwizard.com/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=245&Itemid=2)
 
According to that, I may have to wait for Wildfire.  That\'s ok though. They need to polish that game and really make it worthwhile compared to every other Sonic game since 1999.
 
-Dan