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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: FatalXception on August 15, 2006, 05:26:36 PM
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The Article (http://www.ps3news.ca/08142006/00/unconfirmed_platinum_xbox_360_hd_dvd_900)
This is completely unconfirmed stuff right now, but the gist is that the HD-DVD player addon for the 360 will be 500 USD (right in line with other HD-DVD players on the market right now), 900 USD bundled. Now, I can\'t possibly see Microsoft doing that after all the guff Sony has taken for a console that\'s 500 or 600 dollars with a BR player in it, but wouldn\'t it be amusing if it turned out even close to the truth? Boy, the MS boys would have to eat some crow then, eh?
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I don\'t know if they\'d eat crow, but I\'d expect them not to buy the add-on.
If it was priced at exactly $200 and also worked with a PC, I\'d consider it a good deal, personally, though I won\'t be getting any kind of high def DVD player until prices drop and a standard is picked.
This is the first I\'d heard of it being so expensive, and it just sounds ridiculous. I don\'t know what consumer these guys are targeting, but it\'s definitely not me.
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it will probably be 200$, and an utter failure.
http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20060814A5023.html
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This is my point. I have no desire to have my movies play in my game system. They can charge 900 for the player itself. I don\'t give a rat\'s ass. Blue Ray in my PS3? Pfft!
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I give a rats ass when it\'s part of my console than just an add on that might cost an extra 200 or 900. Besides I know BR wont be used just for movies
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I think they should stick with running games. If it\'s a plus that it run a movie fine but don\'t be charging me because ya think I need to have a movie player built in to my game system.
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As soon as the next generation became nothing more than a means for a company to get their new HI-DEF format as the standard, I lost interest. Thus the reason I am only truly supporting one console, the one that does not play movie\'s and has no stake in this stupid hi-def format war.
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Holy boneheaded batman (http://www.xboxic.com/news/1437#more-1437)
Microsoft is saying there will be NO games that require HD-DVD addon for this holiday season, but there may be in the future. Gawd, that\'s even worse than them saying there would be no games requiring the HDD period (Football Manager anyone?).
I can only assume Microsoft will do everything in their power to discourage this, for the simple piss-off factor it would inspire in their defenders.
An interesting article here though (http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=11691)
There are plans for accessories that would adapt the wireless controllers to PC, so if they\'re willing to do that they might be willing to do that for the HD drive addon (Eik). Interesting note in this article too, they said they\'ve played around this year researching \'motion sensitive\' controllers like the Wii, but gave up because for high motion games people complained of fatigue too quickly (read that section, it\'s like deja vu, 50-50 split, fatigue worries, precision)....
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As soon as the next generation became nothing more than a means for a company to get their new HI-DEF format as the standard, I lost interest. Thus the reason I am only truly supporting one console, the one that does not play movie\'s and has no stake in this stupid hi-def format war.
Word.
And I really like Zelda and Mario games.
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As soon as the next generation became nothing more than a means for a company to get their new HI-DEF format as the standard, I lost interest. Thus the reason I am only truly supporting one console, the one that does not play movie\'s and has no stake in this stupid hi-def format war.
tru..no doubt...i mean i didn\'t mind the fact that ps2 could play movies and such,..but now it seems that microsoft and sony are pushing their technology first then games second,..as if to say "hey you\'re getting a blu-ray player or hd-dvd player, that ALSO plays games".....like the games were an afterthought......no-matter how strong and how fan based these companies seemed to be in the beginning, they always get caught up in their own arrogant please the stockholders first attitude,...while nintendo continues to focus on it\'s base(the consumer) and make games FIRST and worry about the tech later...
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clips,
I still play super mario all stars on super nintendo such as super mario 3, super mario 2, and even super mario world. They are awesome 2-D sidescrolling games back in the day and I still play them to this day with my nephew and nieces whenever I am bored. They are still addicted as they are simple and the gameplay is fun.
Had Nintendo use a CD-ROM base for Nintendo 64, they probably would have beaten Sony PlayStation back in the days and Squaresoft wouldn\'t have left them. Nintendo do make great 2-D side scrolling games like Mario, but nintendo can be quite stuck up and strict, like sticking up with using cartridges instead of optical disc for storage, and 2nd is not allowing developers to make violent games with blood, gore, and stuff. Because of their stuck up using cartridges is the reason why Square ditch them and go for Sony PlayStation.
I find that PlayStation consoles more versatile than Nintendo game systems as PlayStation 2 is the first console in history that is backward with PlayStation One games, and the first console in history to include a DVD-ROM drive.
I have the feeling that PlayStation 3 will be the winner in this generation as they still have the most 3rd parties support than Nintendo, and of course, including a Blu Ray drive shouldn\'t hurt either as it should helps in the long run. Look at Sega Dreamcast, it was the first cheapest console last generation, and by the time ps2 comes out, Dreamcast was selling at half the price tag of ps2 and looks what happened to DC. DC starts to have poor 3rd party supports, and even a $50 price tag couldn\'t save it either. How about Nintendo gamecube? Well, they cost $100 less than playstation 2 when launched, but it didn\'t help bring Nintendo back to #1 position either.
So, I do agree PS3 with a $500 to $600 is expensive. Mostly have to do with Blu ray drive, but I don\'t think that will stop it from being number 1 again. Only financially secure and hardcore gamers buy first generation consoles, as by the time 2nd or 3rd generation roll out, the price of ps3 will be drop to a reasonable level for many of those like me who won\'t get one until a price drop and more library of games. The only downside to that is waiting.
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The $200 HD-DVD drive will only play games it seems.
I\'m seeing lots of speculation about our upcoming HD DVD Player, and whether we have plans to publish HD DVD games. The answer is no.
Since announcing the Xbox 360 HD DVD Player accessory at E3 2006, we\'ve been clear that it is designed exclusively for playing HD DVD movies. It will not play games on HD DVD.
At this point, we haven\'t seen anything to suggest that next-gen DVD formats offer a better game experience than current DVD. What we do know is that these formats will bring added cost to game developers, disc manufacturing, and could even result in added costs and longer load times for the consumer, which would negatively impact the game experience. We are focused on making great HD games available to consumers now, and games like "The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion" clearly show that beautiful high def graphics and huge, immersive worlds to explore are possible on the DVD9 format.
http://gamerscoreblog.com/team/archive/2006/08/16/536859.aspx
They should still get a HDMI cable out though. What happens when movie studios decide they want that pesky flag on - you\'d be stuck with a useless $200 drive?
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Left hand - right hand saying different things. Of course, what if some other publisher wants to release an HD-DVD game, will microsoft say no? What if it\'s an AAA title, and the company said well then we develop for PS3 for the space....? Personally, I think it\'s only a matter of time before a game comes out in HD-DVD, just like with the \'no HDD\' thing.
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I find that PlayStation consoles more versatile than Nintendo game systems as PlayStation 2 is the first console in history that is backward with PlayStation One games
Uhhhh...
I would hope PS2 would be the one to be backwards compatible, as opposed to say DC, XBox, or GC...
If you meant first console to be backwards compatible, in general, then you are behind by about 20 years...
Ever hear of Atari 7800?
Before your time?
How about Genesis? Game Gear? SNES?
All could play their predecessors\' games...
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good point about Atari 7800 backward compatible to 5800 and 2600. It was before my time. So, I didn\'t realize that.
I don\'t think Super Nintendo was backward to Nintendo, neither was Sega Genesis backward compatible to Sega Master System...
So, I will take that back that PS2 was not the first console to be backward compatible to its predecessor\'s console. It seems like Atari was. But during the Sony PlayStation\'s time, it seems like Sony was the only console backward compatible to its previous system while Sega Dreamcast wasn\'t backward compatible with Saturn or Sega CD nor was Nintendo 64 backward to any previous Nintendo systems...and GameCube uses MiniDVD...so, that leave that out of the question...
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There\'s always the GameBoy line, too.
But the PS2 backward compatibility thing was huge, regardless of it\'s place in history.
And it\'s definitely interesting in looking at Wii with the VC. There will be full GCN compatibility along with select downloads from N64, SNES, NES, Genesis and TG16. And I\'m hoping over time we see Game Boy and Game Gear represented as well. It could be a very powerful selling point.
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There\'s always the GameBoy line, too.
Yeah, but Gameboy was more of handheld systems...
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Genesis was compatible with Master System games if you bought the Power Base Converter...
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cedmagic.com%2Ftech-info%2Fremote-control%2Fpower-base-converter.jpg&hash=3d4a45591212398c76146945798c5bfa28c085af)
Game Gear was compatible with SMS as well, if you bought the Master Gear Converter...
http://www.mcvans.com/catalog/master_gear_converter_2072628.htm
SNES had a device that allowed you to play Game Boy games on your TV but I forgot what the name is...
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okay, but they are "add-on" and history have shown that add-on usually don\'t have success. Built in is more preferable.
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Still, the point is Atari 7800 came out about 20 years before PS2...
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It was Super Game Boy, for the record. GCN also has Game Boy Player. Add-ons, yes.
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Still, the point is Atari 7800 came out about 20 years before PS2...
like i said, i take that back that ps2 isn\'t the first console backward compatible to previous console, but I think it\'s safe to say ps2 is the first successful console that\'s backward compatible since Atari 7800 didn\'t catch on during the 8 bits era...
It was Super Game Boy, for the record. GCN also has Game Boy Player. Add-ons, yes.
I remember owning the Super Gameboy for SNES back then. Heh, how time flies.
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This can\'t be true. If so then it will fail.
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A 360+HD-DVD drive will more than likely come in at the same price as either PS3 model- the drive being $199.
Premium + HD-DVD = $599
Core + HD-DVD = $499
Also, there have been very strong rumors about the core dropping in price for the holidays.
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It would seem logical, I would be willing to bet MS would be amenable to selling at a substancial loss if it meants beating the PS3 pricewise, and helping them take the format war.
The latest rumors swirling are that they will try to actually sell it lower than $200 so that they BEAT the PS3 in price, since formats aside, the 360 won\'t have some of the media playback features of the PS3. We\'ll have to see, most HD players in stores are about 500, but then most of the processing in the 360 can be done in the console, saving some cost on hardware.
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most HD players in stores are about 500
500 what?
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It sure as hell ain\'t pesos.
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500 USD.
link1 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=hd-dvd&sc=Global&cp=1&sp=&qp=crootcategoryid%23%23-1%23%23-1%7E%7Eq68642d647664%7E%7Eccat03000%23%233%23%236%7E%7Encpcmcat13900050017%23%232%23%232&list=n&usc=All+Categories&nrp=15&iht=n)
link2 (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4790608)
link3 (http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_attrib.php/page_id=2065/form_keyword=hd-dvd/ut=4a6849ed676dcfce)
link4 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E1PTGK/sr=8-1/qid=1156431951/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-8320912-5648148?ie=UTF8)
link5 (http://www.marketnews.ca/news_detail.asp?nid=1799)
At 500 it looks like the most popular (currently) HD-DVD player is sold at a loss (http://www.digitalhome.ca/content/view/1342/51/).
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wow, HD-DVD is tanking. good thing i dont pay attention
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I\'ve equally not supported either format.
Doing my part.
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Right now, both blu-ray and HD-DVD are tanking, with HD-DVD players outselling BR players by about 33%. The numbers are so low, however, that the PS3 vs 360 HD-DVD addon will probably be the deciding factor in the near future, with overall prices/quality being the deciding factor by the end of next year.
My prediction is that HD-DVD will continue to outsell BR (price) until the PS3s release, which will give BR the lead and a big boost. At that point, I think it will be BR\'s race to loose, if they don\'t move to better codecs and take advantage of BR\'s better specs.
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wow, HD-DVD is tanking. good thing i dont pay attention
Define "tanking". Is it selling a massive amount? No. Is it still quite abit more than Blu-Ray? Yes.
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v. tanked
Slang. To suffer a sudden decline or failure
how did i guess you\'d throw the blu-ray comparison in there?
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how did i guess you\'d throw the blu-ray comparison in there?
Because it\'s the EXACT same thing you would of done, if the tables had been turned.
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what tables?
i\'m not on either side of it, remember?
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what tables?
i\'m not on either side of it, remember?
Well, then we can agree on something.
I think the whole Hi-Def DVD era is stupid and right now, pointless.
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wow, HD-DVD is tanking. good thing i dont pay attention
Serously. I see commercials for new movies and they say DVD and Blu-Ray. I\'ve yet to see one for HD-DVD. Its as good as done.
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Those ads did wonders for the PSP movies... It\'s not effective since people don\'t know what Blu-Ray is.
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How can blu-ray be tanking, its barely been released. One thing it has going for it is that everyone who buys a PS3 will have a blu-ray player (approx 2-4 million by years end), the same can not be said for the 360 and HD-DVD.
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ms fuckesd themseflve over by not putting it in from the begtinning.
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ms fuckesd themseflve over by not putting it in from the begtinning.
I dont think they could if they wanted the console to be released in November 2005.
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How can blu-ray be tanking, its barely been released. One thing it has going for it is that everyone who buys a PS3 will have a blu-ray player (approx 2-4 million by years end), the same can not be said for the 360 and HD-DVD.
One day I am sure you\'ll be able to read and understand the discussion, but until then, let me break it down for you.
If you compare HD-DVD to Blu-Ray, no one is buying into Blu-Ray and critics right now are killing Blu-Ray for under-delivering.
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ms fuckesd themseflve over by not putting it in from the begtinning.
MS didn\'t fuck themselves. They really aren\'t all that involved in the format war. They have thrown a little bit of weight behind HD-DVD, but if it tanks they won\'t hurt very much if at all.
If they had put the HD-DVD drive in the Xbox 360 then the stakes would be incredibly high...and so would the price of the 360...no, thanks.
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they\'re already selling 360 at a huge loss, they couldnt put a hd-dvd drive in it. plus, the whole double in size factor.
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Wow, I was too tipsy posting that.
I think the point I was trying to make was already touched up on way back when. MS is using standard DVD whereas Sony is using the Blu-Ray which is more capable of storing more on the disk. They were also talking about using it at the start to compete with Sony but dropped it in favor of an early launch.
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All I know is that I\'m praying that Blu-Ray becomes the popular format.
Nothing else. I\'m completely oblivious!
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One day I am sure you\'ll be able to read and understand the discussion, but until then, let me break it down for you.
If you compare HD-DVD to Blu-Ray, no one is buying into Blu-Ray and critics right now are killing Blu-Ray for under-delivering.
let me respond simply by saying... your an ass and you have no idea how the market works. Blu-Ray is still very much in its early stages. Go get the first couple DVD\'s released and tell me how well they look compared to DVD\'s now. Your arrogance might work on some people, but not on me.
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oh, it doesn\'t work on anyone
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let me respond simply by saying... your an ass and you have no idea how the market works. Blu-Ray is still very much in its early stages. Go get the first couple DVD\'s released and tell me how well they look compared to DVD\'s now. Your arrogance might work on some people, but not on me.
At my house, we got a DVD player in like 2000, still semi-early on. The movies aren\'t as good as the newest player we got. The older DVD player looks like a huge black box. The new one we have is slim as hell and has all the bells and whistles they didn\'t have even a couple years before. I\'m waiting to buy a standalone blu-ray player (besides the PS3 of coarse) until they improve a bit more.
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let me respond simply by saying... your an ass and you have no idea how the market works. Blu-Ray is still very much in its early stages. Go get the first couple DVD\'s released and tell me how well they look compared to DVD\'s now. Your arrogance might work on some people, but not on me.
Yeah, but DVD was up against inferior products- VHS, Laserdisc, etc. Blu-Ray has an equal at a considerably lower entry price, and, as it is right now, HD-DVD is the better as far picture quality, sound, and features go. Those are the very reasons to upgrade, no? Why pay more when you can pay less...and for a better product?
I guess all those blu-ray aficianados are rallying for its potential. Go ahead, in the mean time people are actually seeing what next-generation dvd\'s are all about.
EDIT: Also, don\'t forget that HD-DVD\'s quality will get better over time as well.
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so much misinformation in one post has to violate at least 2 or state laws
:eek:
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let me respond simply by saying... your an ass and you have no idea how the market works. Blu-Ray is still very much in its early stages. Go get the first couple DVD\'s released and tell me how well they look compared to DVD\'s now. Your arrogance might work on some people, but not on me.
Right and DVD was competing with what? VHS? Laserdisc? Not to mention DVD offered still a massive upgrade from VHS.
I may be an ass, but you\'re clueless. You\'re better off goin\' back to your hole and not posting, you\'re just making yourself look dumb.
:thumb:
And there wasn\'t that much "misinformation" in the post, MM. You just like to deny anything not Pro-Sony.
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so much misinformation in one post has to violate at least 2 or state laws
:eek:
What misinformation are you talking about?
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Blu-Ray has an equal at a considerably lower entry price,
HD-DVD = $500
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-crkHHdQrn3B/cgi-bin/prodgroup.asp?g=279850&nvpair=FFFormat%7CHD+DVD#see_all
PS3(Core) = $500
hmmm.... MINDBOGGLING price difference!
and, as it is right now, HD-DVD is the better as far picture quality, sound, and features go.
Thank you for making my point for me. Sure HD-DVD is more refined right now, but it\'s not like Blu-Ray isn\'t going to make progress. Come on, honestly, you can\'t be that short sighted.
Those are the very reasons to upgrade, no? Why pay more when you can pay less...and for a better product?
Ugh... I didn\'t want to, but I guess I must:
-HD DVD has lower disc capacity (30 GB vs 50 GB)
-Blu-Ray proponents expect BD media manufacturing costs to approach those of HD DVD, once production volume has ramped.
-Blu-ray permits a higher maximum video-bitrate, as well as potentially higher average bitrates (due to greater total disc-capacity.)
-In terms of audio, there are greater differences. Blu-ray allows conventional AC-3 audiotracks at 640 kbit/s, which is higher than DVD/HD DVD\'s maximum, 448 kbit/s. On the other hand, Dolby Digital Plus support is mandatory for standalone HD DVD players at a maximum of 3 Mbit/s, while only optional for BD players and capped at 1.7 Mbit/s.
I guess all those blu-ray aficianados are rallying for its potential. Go ahead, in the mean time people are actually seeing what next-generation dvd\'s are all about.
Blu-Ray is missing only one motion picture company, Universal. HD-DVD will have a few gaps in its library. 20th Century Fox anyone? Also, Sony owns Columbia Pictures and recently bought MGM, which gives it a leg up on releasing content. And PlayStation 3 certainly will carry a huge chunk of clout in the marketplace.
EDIT: Also, don\'t forget that HD-DVD\'s quality will get better over time as well.
And Blu-Ray\'s won\'t why?
In the end, you just typed whatever bullshit came to your mind and didn\'t take any time to look at the facts. Your anti-Sony sentiment is quite noticeable, but next time you decide to go on a rant, do some research first. Right now HD-DVD is getting its head start, but simply put, it cannot stand up to Blu-Ray on a technological standpoint, and certainly not in terms of support. Sony has more exclusive companies working behind Blu-Ray. I don\'t know about you, but I wouldn\'t want to walk into the store and find out I can\'t get James Bond on HD-DVD because its owned by Sony.
Oh, and here are some more sources:
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/129058.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray
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Yeah, but DVD was up against inferior products- VHS, Laserdisc, etc. Blu-Ray has an equal at a considerably lower entry price, and, as it is right now, HD-DVD is the better as far picture quality, sound, and features go. Those are the very reasons to upgrade, no? Why pay more when you can pay less...and for a better product?
I guess all those blu-ray aficianados are rallying for its potential. Go ahead, in the mean time people are actually seeing what next-generation dvd\'s are all about.
EDIT: Also, don\'t forget that HD-DVD\'s quality will get better over time as well.
But it seems like only toshiba is the only backer of HD-DVD while other major brands are backing blu ray: panasonic, sony, philips, pioneer, Samsung, Sharp, mistubishi, etc.
So far, we only see hd-dvd models made from toshiba and a blu ray model from Samsung. In the upcoming months through next year and beyond, we will see models from pioneer blu ray player, panasonic, sony blu ray player, and even ps3. Then sharp, mitsubishi, and philips will come out with their own blu ray players too. This just proves too much for the major backer of hd-dvd player from Toshiba.
Beside, blu ray dual layers disc and disney is planning on releasing movies using the dual layer blu ray disc with MPEG-4 video encoding. The situation will be reversed by year\'s end as more blu ray players from different companies are coming out, and more selection of blu ray movies too, even those in dual layers...
like many members have said earlier that they won\'t bother upgrading to either blu ray or hd-dvd now. What they will do is wait till there is a big price drop before they make the move which could be in at least a year or 2 or longer, and the 2nd reason why most haven\'t jump into next generation video player format yet is because so far there is no winner yet since is still too early in the competition between the 2 formats.
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HD-DVD = $500
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-crkHHdQrn3B/cgi-bin/prodgroup.asp?g=279850&nvpair=FFFormat%7CHD+DVD#see_all
PS3(Core) = $500
hmmm.... MINDBOGGLING price difference!
Right now you can buy a less than $500 HD-DVD player. Right now. Can\'t say the same for blu-ray. I imagine that price will come down even further as the holiday approaces, but that\'s just an assumption.
Thank you for making my point for me. Sure HD-DVD is more refined right now, but it\'s not like Blu-Ray isn\'t going to make progress. Come on, honestly, you can\'t be that short sighted.
Again, right now. And obviously I knew that Blu-ray was going to make progress otherwise I would have omitted the "as of right now" part of the sentence. Jesus...dense...
Ugh... I didn\'t want to, but I guess I must:
-HD DVD has lower disc capacity (30 GB vs 50 GB)
-Blu-Ray proponents expect BD media manufacturing costs to approach those of HD DVD, once production volume has ramped.
-Blu-ray permits a higher maximum video-bitrate, as well as potentially higher average bitrates (due to greater total disc-capacity.)
-In terms of audio, there are greater differences. Blu-ray allows conventional AC-3 audiotracks at 640 kbit/s, which is higher than DVD/HD DVD\'s maximum, 448 kbit/s. On the other hand, Dolby Digital Plus support is mandatory for standalone HD DVD players at a maximum of 3 Mbit/s, while only optional for BD players and capped at 1.7 Mbit/s.
Incorrect. Triple layer, 45 GB HD-DVD discs are on the way, and there is a 4 layer 60 GB theoretical max. Truth is that it\'s cheaper to release a 2 HD-DVD pack than a 60 GB disc.
Blu-Ray is missing only one motion picture company, Universal. HD-DVD will have a few gaps in its library. 20th Century Fox anyone? Also, Sony owns Columbia Pictures and recently bought MGM, which gives it a leg up on releasing content. And PlayStation 3 certainly will carry a huge chunk of clout in the marketplace.
Sony does not own MGM. They were one of many partners who bought them.
Last I checked, Universal, Warner Bros., and Paramount make quite a few movies. Disney is considering supporting HD-DVD as well.
And Blu-Ray\'s won\'t why?
I didn\'t say they would not improve. I was making an inclusive arguement. Comprehension is key.
In the end, you just typed whatever bullshit came to your mind and didn\'t take any time to look at the facts. Your anti-Sony sentiment is quite noticeable, but next time you decide to go on a rant, do some research first. Right now HD-DVD is getting its head start, but simply put, it cannot stand up to Blu-Ray on a technological standpoint, and certainly not in terms of support. Sony has more exclusive companies working behind Blu-Ray. I don\'t know about you, but I wouldn\'t want to walk into the store and find out I can\'t get James Bond on HD-DVD because its owned by Sony.
lol. I won\'t stop Sony from shoveling all that shit in your mouth.
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But it seems like only toshiba is the only backer of HD-DVD while other major brands are backing blu ray: panasonic, sony, philips, pioneer, Samsung, Sharp, mistubishi, etc.
So far, we only see hd-dvd models made from toshiba and a blu ray model from Samsung. In the upcoming months through next year and beyond, we will see models from pioneer blu ray player, panasonic, sony blu ray player, and even ps3. Then sharp, mitsubishi, and philips will come out with their own blu ray players too. This just proves too much for the major backer of hd-dvd player from Toshiba.
This can, and most likely will change. Companies would be ignorant to ignore the success of HD-DVD thus far.
While there is a blu-ray player in every PS3, the movie attach rate is what ultimately matters. Want me to put it in perspective? Every PSP is able to play UMD movies, and looky what happened to that format.
Beside, blu ray dual layers disc and disney is planning on releasing movies using the dual layer blu ray disc with MPEG-4 video encoding. The situation will be reversed by year\'s end as more blu ray players from different companies are coming out, and more selection of blu ray movies too, even those in dual layers...
I\'m very well aware of this. At least then the two can be fairly compared. Until then...
like many members have said earlier that they won\'t bother upgrading to either blu ray or hd-dvd now. What they will do is wait till there is a big price drop before they make the move which could be in at least a year or 2 or longer, and the 2nd reason why most haven\'t jump into next generation video player format yet is because so far there is no winner yet since is still too early in the competition between the 2 formats.
I agree.
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I dunno about HD-DVD. I still have yet to see one commercial for HD-DVD. I keep seeing commercials saying "coming to DVD and Blu-Ray" or "now available on DVD and Blu-Ray". Still waiting for HD-DVD commercials.
Riku, where is a link stating that an HD-DVD player is under 500? I sometimes can\'t find extremely good DVD players for under 500. Makes me wonder of the quality. Anyone remember when DVD came out how expensive those players were and how crappy they were compared to even the lesser known brands today?
LIC, didn\'t DVD battle against VCD when it was released? No doubt the DVD was superior seeing as VCD was more of VHS quality. Still though, I like to use VCDs on my computer with some projects. I mean if its not good enough quality or a small video project that will fill a DVD, I\'d rather not waste my DVDs :)
I think it would be kind of cool that in the future, a Blu-Ray player will be released that could play HD-DVD (for the ones released already) and Blu-Ray so someone doesn\'t have to buy two players. Kinda farfetched I guess.
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I dunno about HD-DVD. I still have yet to see one commercial for HD-DVD. I keep seeing commercials saying "coming to DVD and Blu-Ray" or "now available on DVD and Blu-Ray". Still waiting for HD-DVD commercials.
Riku, where is a link stating that an HD-DVD player is under 500? I sometimes can\'t find extremely good DVD players for under 500. Makes me wonder of the quality. Anyone remember when DVD came out how expensive those players were and how crappy they were compared to even the lesser known brands today?
Click Me (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E1PTGK/sr=8-1/qid=1156778814/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-4829677-4674254?ie=UTF8)
Circuit City had the same one for $480 just yesterday.
Hardware will improve as time goes on. Just so you know, the HD-DVD players have scored higher in consumer reviews than the blu-ray players. That probably has much more to do with the movie quality rather than the hardware, but...yeah.
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Riku, I still see one major flaw with your argument, since when did HD-DVD become a huge success.
and...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mgm
As of 2005, MGM now produces film and television content in conjunction with the Columbia TriStar Motion Picture Group through Sony Pictures Entertainment, although in March 2006 it announced that it would continue to distribute theatrical films under the MGM name domestically, and separate from the Sony brand. However, Columbia TriStar and Sony Pictures would continue to distribute MGM/UA\'s films domestically and 20th Century Fox would distribute internationally.
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Riku, I still see one major flaw with your argument, since when did HD-DVD become a huge success.
and...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mgm
I\'m not ready to qualify HD-DVD as a huge success. I called it a success based on it\'s early and warm reception as well as its praise. HD-DVD has sold more than blu-ray thus far, and had better reviews from publications and consumers. Perhaps I should have said early success. Whether its a commercial success remains to be seen.
Yes, Sony is one of many partners with MGM. I thought I said that.
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But that leaves quite a hole in HD-DVD\'s library does it not?
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But that leaves quite a hole in HD-DVD\'s library does it not?
I suppose that depends who you talk to. There are certainly some absences and anyone buying either format will have to take that into mind.
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If I was really into it (I\'m not) I would buy a PS3 and the $200 HD-DVD add on for the 360 I already own.
Then I can watch all the high def movies I want in either format until the rest of the world makes up their mind.
Instead, I\'ll use Netflix for normal DVDs until I can get the one, dominant format as a stand-alone player for about $150 or less.
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netflix carries Blu-ray and HD-DVD films already
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If I was really into it (I\'m not) I would buy a PS3 and the $200 HD-DVD add on for the 360 I already own.
Then I can watch all the high def movies I want in either format until the rest of the world makes up their mind.
Instead, I\'ll use Netflix for normal DVDs until I can get the one, dominant format as a stand-alone player for about $150 or less.
There will eventually be hybrid players. Those will be the true movie buffs...not concerned with taking sides in this stupid format war.
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netflix carries Blu-ray and HD-DVD films already
Does netflix carry Blu-Ray players?
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[LIC]do they carry HD-DVD players?[/LIC]
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There will eventually be hybrid players. Those will be the true movie buffs...not concerned with taking sides in this stupid format war.
Hope not, as I prefer one format to win this generation instead of a hybrid player.
LG (the format backer of blu ray) at one time planned to make a hybrid Blu Ray and HD-DVD player combo. But around last month or so, they decided to scrapped the idea and rather go with releasing a blu ray player in the nearby future instead as they are confident the blu ray players will wins the competition.
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This whole Blue Ray and HD-DVD thing kind of pisses me off. I\'m pretty happy with the way my DVDs look on my screen now and they\'re regular ole DVDs. Can anyone here (maybe this was stated already) say they see such a leap in quality over the DVDs we have now?
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No they are not such a leap. Unless we stuck our faces on the TV screen to notice the difference.
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on an HDTV, the difference is very noticeable.
especially on CRT HDTV\'s like mine.
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It is noticable to YOU. You most likely have your TV calibrated properly, most people don\'t, when you take in "Joe Sixpack". Those people won\'t notice or care about the added video detail and most likely don\'t have a sound system to support the new audio, thus killing the advantages of that format. For HD-DVD and Blu-Ray to take off, people need HDTV\'s, they need them properly calibrated. Few people go through the trouble to use Avia and other calibration tools.
And when we talk about the leap from VHS to DVD, we forget a few things.
(1) No more rewind. No more fast forward. It\'s chapters. People love that.
(2) Cheaper. Does anyone else remember when T-2 came out on VHS and was almost a $100 bucks? DVD\'s was priced to the point that people could buy them for $20 bucks and feel good about it. This created the collectors mentality that we see a lot of people with.
(3) Extra\'s. Deleted scenes, being the biggest.
These are things that DVD brought. These are things that are now standard, so neither of the new formats can claim them. Espically when a lot of the new HD-DVD\'s and Blu-Ray films are lacking extra\'s that their DVD counterparts already have.
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Its surprising that you know about calibration and Avia. Not sure if it requires calibration to see the picture different between DVD and Blu Ray or HD-DVD.
If VCD have the function of DVD, I don\'t think the majority of people will support it as VCD picture quality is bad. the resolution is lower than VHS tape, and the compression is quite bad and very noticeable.
So, I do think picture quality does play a role on the success of DVD beside being more flexible in the menu navigation and convenience...
The extra and deleted scenes, directory commentaries, etc are a little overrated as most movies have to much of them, and the majority consumers wouldn\'t care or bother to watch most of them as they don\'t have the interest or the time to sit through those stuffs.
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Picture quality is very important, especially as a selling tool in store (look at the difference between this regular TV and this HDTV). While there are no groundbreaking improvements on this format (like no rewind, chapters, hidden menues that DVD brought to the table), they HAVE made large strides to fix problems that have poped up with DVD formats. java-based interactive menus, for example, that don\'t halt movie playback would be one obvious example that BR brings to the table, besides better codecs, colors, and sound.
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Click Me (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E1PTGK/sr=8-1/qid=1156778814/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-4829677-4674254?ie=UTF8)
Circuit City had the same one for $480 just yesterday.
Hardware will improve as time goes on. Just so you know, the HD-DVD players have scored higher in consumer reviews than the blu-ray players. That probably has much more to do with the movie quality rather than the hardware, but...yeah.
You notice Amazon says 700 with a strike out, right? They may be selling them at a discount price but its still retailing for 700.
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Its surprising that you know about calibration and Avia. Not sure if it requires calibration to see the picture different between DVD and Blu Ray or HD-DVD.
What is surprising? It\'s the first thing I done when I bought my HDTV.
And to address the rest of your post, first off, it goes without saying that a properly calibrated HDTV is going to show the true potenial of the high-def formats, as opposed to a regular tv, right outta the box. Also, as for "extras being over-rated", yeah, I agree, I never watch them, but that doesn\'t matter to the average consumer. If he see\'s the regular version, with another disc of extra\'s and he see\'s the high-def version with nothing but chapter stops, all for the same price (maybe the high def is even more EXPENSIVE), then what will he buy? The standard DVD.
And as for all this talk , let\'s remember that store tv\'s at Wal-Mart / Best Buy and others are NEVER calibrated properly and will not demostrate the true potenial of the high-def formats.
And HD-DVD\'s can be bought at around $500, according to most websites. Blu-Ray players are more expensive. Are either worth it right now? I truly doubt it. First generation hardware, first generation titles, it\'s all crap right now, some more so than others.
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What is surprising? It\'s the first thing I done when I bought my HDTV.
By surprise, I mean I wouldn\'t expect you to know about proper video calibration, or care about it. Its a good thing you were interested and care enough to get it calibrated properly, because like you said. Most average consumers wouldn\'t know or into it enough to care about it.
When I said "not sure if it requires calibration to see the picture different between DVD and Blu Ray or HD-DVD." I meant that I think you still could see the improvement that High Def sources deliver over DVD, even before calibration. If an average consumer is watching DVD on an uncalibrated HDTV, and then he switch to Blu Ray and watching it on the same uncalibrated TV. I still think he would be able to tell the picture quality difference between DVD and Blu Ray. Depends on how big the screen size is and how close he is sitting to the TV. Sure, the uncalibrated TV will possibly have black push that crushes all the shadow details, and white brightness level is so high that it blooms and reduce resolution and crushes white level detail. Red is so oversaturated that it looks like everybody is having a sunburn, and other sharpness enhancements, high frequency filtering, and limiters which reduce picture detail on the TV. So, when watching DVD movies, he\'s already watching movies on an uncalibrated set, and when he switch to blu ray. He is still watching on the uncalibrated set, except at higher pixels detail. I still think he can distinguish those finer detail from high def sources.
Like you mentioned wal-mart, best buy, and other stores. Their TV are never calibrated, but if they do a side by side picture comparison between DVD and Blu Ray on two uncalibrated HDTVs that are the same size and model. I still think consumers can still see the difference. TV sets that are uncalibrated are done on purpose to woos and draws uninform consumers into thinking its better in store. Like black crush, and flashy white will gives consumers the impression that they are seeing a high contrast, great picture when it\'s actually not true.
But of course, we know better. And proper calibration will show the tv to their best optimal viewing experience with picture quality that is natural, and accurate.
btw, Blu Ray burners are already coming out from Sony and Panasonic that can burns either single or dual layers Blu Ray discs in 2x speed. They are somewhat cheaper than Blu Ray player right now. But are still expensive. I can imagine later generation blu ray writers having bigger price drop, and faster burning speed. Same could be said about blu ray medias.
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How the f^ck do you "calibrate" an HDTV?
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most high end tvs have a technicians calibration mode where you can adjust the hell out of it (but most don\'t know how to access it).
And you can buy these dvds that can help you get your brightness and contrast and all that crap set-up right. Like a series of gray boxes....
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most high end tvs have a technicians calibration mode where you can adjust the hell out of it (but most don\'t know how to access it).
And you can buy these dvds that can help you get your brightness and contrast and all that crap set-up right. Like a series of gray boxes....
Sounds like a lot of work. I like to take it out of the box and plug and watch.
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what JBean said.
If you are interested, for basic calibration, you need some sort of test patterns to adjust/calibrate your tv. If you own some DVD Videos that are THX certified, like the DVD Video of "The Incredibles", they have some Audio and Video test patterns in one of those menus...it might be a good start for you to go from there so you won\'t have to spend any money on other tools...
so, once you go into the video test patterns, follow the instruction to adjust the basic: picture (contrast), brightness, color, tint, and possibly sharpness. Use your TV remote control to adjust your tv is more preferable. To me, even to this day, I have trouble adjusting color, tint, and picture (contrast):aka white level. The easiest adjustment to me is black level or brightness...
My HDTV out of the box have black level so dark that many of the shadow details are lost as black. So, I use a specific test pattern (from avia calibration disc) to adjust black level. On this test, I cranked up the brightness (black level) until I can see two vertical very dark gray scrolling bars on the black screen. The left bar is darker than the right bar. I have to cranked up the brightness (aka: black level) several ticks for me to be able to see those scrolling dark gray bars..I adjust until the left scrolling bar is nearly invisible into the black screen while the right scrolling bar is somewhat visible...
By doing that, i am optimally adjust black level to its proper place where black is not too dark or too gray so i can see the shadow details of many movies and stuff. The other basic adjustments (picture: white level, color, tint, sharpness) are trickier and harder for me to adjust...
Of course, for more advanced adjustment, you need to go into the service menu to calibrate...
Like JBean said, you need the code to get into the service menu. The reason why code is require is because once you are in the service menu, and you don\'t know what you are doing in there, you could ruin your tv and the manufacture will void you warranty. As for the brand of my tv, i just pushed some combination buttons on the remote control and I enter the service menu on the tv. In there, I manage to calibrate color temperature, color decoder, turn off sharpness enhancements, unclip, and unfilter both luma and chroma resolutions, and turn off black level limiter, adjust video overscan, etc...
There are other stuffs that I still haven\'t adjust since I don\'t know how or understand what those abbreviation means in the service menu. Stuffs that I still have trouble adjusting is focus, geometry, and convergence...
I think it\'s better if you play around with the basic calibration on the user menu using a video test pattern than going into the service menu, unless you are an enthusiast or a pro and know what you are doing in there...if you go into the service menu by accident, you can turn the service menu off, on my tv, i turned the service menu off by turning off the tv...
I know that Videoholic can explains better than me since he\'s the one that shows me a website about it years ago...
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Sounds like a lot of work. I like to take it out of the box and plug and watch.
Hence the reason why you and millions of others aren\'t seeing what their thousands of dollars worth of equipment can really do. Besides, a basic calibration is easy to do and helps a lot. It doesn\'t even have to cost money. DVDs like Terminator 2 and others have a little "THX calibration" that you can access. For easy and money, it\'s the best you can do. If you want a better tool, you\'ll have to buy a setup DVD (or a technician, which IMO is overkill for 99.99% people).
On a related note - why do so many people insist to turn the color up so high on their sets? Everything looks like a goddamn cartoon. And often blooming and such. I cringe every time I see it.
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I\'ll see if I can find a calibration DVD. Just got a 52" plasma, so I might as well get the best of it.
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Coror/tint/hue is generally not individually adjustable without going into the service menu if you use digital inputs, so you don\'t have to worry about that. Just properly setting the brightness/contrast though with any of the simpler video-calibrators (on many disks), will make a huge difference, and be more than enough for almost any non-videophile to notice a gigantic improvement in their HDTV over an SD set. If you are an enthusiast, you have to take the time to get educated and spend a few hours and some money calibrating your video and sound system (something you will reap the rewards for for much more time than you spend on it), but for everyone else, just properly setting up the bright/contrast is the best thing to do.
Here\'s a site (http://myweb.accessus.net/~090/how2adj.html#3.7) with the basics on calibrating a TV, including those service numbers for anyone feeling adventurous. Just page down to the index below the books.
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So anybody holding off on DVD purchases until this all pans out?
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So anybody holding off on DVD purchases until this all pans out?
No, I\'m going to continue buying DVD\'s. Then when I get my PS3, I\'ll start getting the movies I like in Blu-Ray format while still continuing to get the movies/TV shows I like that aren\'t in that format on DVD. I\'m not wasting an extra $200 on an add-on for my 360 that will probably fail.
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So anybody holding off on DVD purchases until this all pans out?
I am... simply out of pragmatism.
I ended up re-buying a lot of my collection on DVD from VHS, and I do not want to do the same thing with the movies I buy today in a few years. I think then NEXT format after this wont be able to be worth rebuying movies (unless its holographics or something), so I figure Ill be safe with HD format once a winner emerges. I just dont want to buy something now that Ill wish I had bought a year later in a better format... and it also keeps me from buying impulse movies.
PS - Sorry, apostrophy key isnt working today.
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So anybody holding off on DVD purchases until this all pans out?
Yes. The last time I bought a DVD was back in December. I don\'t recall how long it was before that. I rent now, borrow from friends, or wait to see it on HBO or something.
I\'ll probably start building up a library again when I can buy movies and store them on a hdd, like I do with music now (haven\'t bought a cd since November).
Buy it online once, have access to it forever. Sounds good to me. Now we just need hdd\'s big enough to store all of it.
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on an HDTV, the difference is very noticeable.
especially on CRT HDTV\'s like mine.
You tried a BR or HD-DVD on your TV?
Personally I doubt it since I already find DVD quality crisp and clear enough I dont find any problem with the image quality or any room of improvement that will make a difference.
Probably on a huge TV screen I might? Well thats something not many have.
But I think DVDs will be replaced nevertheless by one of the new formats
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I\'ll see if I can find a calibration DVD. Just got a 52" plasma, so I might as well get the best of it.
This is probably the first time i heard of a plasma that is in 52"...Usually, they comes in size of 50" or 55"...
Oh yeah, some videogames also include some sort of video calibration test pattern...I remember metal gear solid 1, metal gear solid 2, and devil may cry have a test pattern on the videogame menu options to adjust black level. So, hooking up the playstation 2 to the tv with those videogames might be a good start to adjust the black level...
The good things about plasma and even LCD when compares to CRT is that they require less calibration than CRT. Out of the box, plasmas and LCDs have close to perfect geometry, next to perfect convergence, and next to perfect focus. So pretty much, there is no such thing as geometry, focus, or convergence calibration for flat panel TV. So, doing the basic calibration should make those flat panel look quite close to their best, maybe the only thing to bother going to service menu for those type of display is to adjust color temperature, and maybe overscanning....
Although CRTs have best picture quality, but they require the most calibration compare to other type of display to look their best. Not to mention that they include some sort of sharpness enhancements, filtering, and clipping on resolution detail that I have to go into the service menu to disable and unclip them. While my experiences with plasma and LCD are that the manufacture doesn\'t bother adding those annoying fake enhancmenets, filtering, or clipping to those type of display which are a good thing.
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Coror/tint/hue is generally not individually adjustable without going into the service menu if you use digital inputs, so you don\'t have to worry about that. Just properly setting the brightness/contrast though with any of the simpler video-calibrators (on many disks), will make a huge difference, and be more than enough for almost any non-videophile to notice a gigantic improvement in their HDTV over an SD set.
my hdtv color and tint are pretty accurate since i adjusted the color decoder in the service menu such as fixing red push. They are quite a pain to adjust. Its a lot easier and better if a know-how person can show me how to properly adjust those stuffs in person than doing it myself.
If you are an enthusiast, you have to take the time to get educated and spend a few hours and some money calibrating your video and sound system (something you will reap the rewards for for much more time than you spend on it), but for everyone else, just properly setting up the bright/contrast is the best thing to do.
Here\'s a site (http://myweb.accessus.net/~090/how2adj.html#3.7) with the basics on calibrating a TV, including those service numbers for anyone feeling adventurous. Just page down to the index below the books.
I been learning a bit here and there about video calibration since more than 4 years ago and I have taken what i learned and calibrated my set to look their best. 3 major stuffs I haven\'t calibrate yet are convergence, geometry, and focus...again, they can be a pain to adjust and i need the service menu book for my specific tv model to explain to me what those abbreviation means, and a description of what to do with it...
About my audio system, i pretty much use an spl meter to adjust all the speakers including the sub to match the same spl level to the listening spot...the only thing i haven\'t done so far is time delay...
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ok...really dumb question comin\'....i didn\'t read all that nerdy tech talk,but hear it goes..a blu -ray player(ps3) will still be able to play standard dvd\'s right?..i mean blu-ray or hd-dvd are really just enhancements over standard dvd\'s correct?
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ok...really dumb question comin\'....i didn\'t read all that nerdy tech talk,but hear it goes..a blu -ray player(ps3) will still be able to play standard dvd\'s right?..i mean blu-ray or hd-dvd are really just enhancements over standard dvd\'s correct?
That\'s a stupid question. Try asking something less stupid.
J/K...all blu-ray and hd-dvd players can play DVD\'s.
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But not all rectangles are squares.
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ok...really dumb question comin\'....i didn\'t read all that nerdy tech talk,but hear it goes..a blu -ray player(ps3) will still be able to play standard dvd\'s right?..i mean blu-ray or hd-dvd are really just enhancements over standard dvd\'s correct?
Will play both standard DVDs (movies and PS2 games) and CDs (PS games). I would also assume standard support for various formats on those disks, music CD, PictureCD, perhaps even Mpeg4 and stuff later (if it doesnt support it out of the box, then maybe through apps perhaps)
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although not manditory, but pretty much all blu ray and hd-dvd players will have more than one laser lens, or more than one laser pickups to read CD, DVD, and blu ray or hd-dvd discs...
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I think I\'m gonna wait this war out. Bad Beta memories still float around my noggin.
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I think I\'m gonna wait this war out. Bad Beta memories still float around my noggin.
Yeah, me too. I\'m not jumping on this bandwagon any time soon. Besides, it\'s not like current DVDs suddenly look and sound worse just because there\'s something better on the market.
Also, there aren\'t really a whole lot of titles out there in HD that I\'m interested in.
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although not manditory, but pretty much all blu ray and hd-dvd players will have more than one laser lens, or more than one laser pickups to read CD, DVD, and blu ray or hd-dvd discs...
In fact, with new technologies (http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=190300953) they\'re talking about single pickups that will read ALL the formats. I also remember reading another article (although I can\'t find it right now) about new diods that would be able to emit the disk speicific colours, and another solution that involved a prism reflecting in the different colour beams.
In short, within a couple years, if no HD format clearly wins, there will be BR, HD-DVD, DVD, CD players on the market, and I would imagine a truly \'universal\' player will come out at some point for enough money.
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interesting news about single laser pickup that can read all 4 formats (CD, DVD, HD-DVD, and Blu Ray). Although a cheaper alternative than having multiple laser pickups, but I think multiple laser pickups have better reliability and readablity over single laser pickup.
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This thread proves my point, most of you know NOTHING about calibration and think that a TV outta the box is at it\'s best settings.
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good grief, man.
:fryingpan:
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This thread proves my point, most of you know NOTHING about calibration and think that a TV outta the box is at it\'s best settings.
Haven\'t fully followed the thread but I do agree a TV needs to be adjusted for optimum viewing. But . . . if the person likes the way it looks out of the box then I guess it\'s the best picture . . . for them.
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Haven\'t fully followed the thread but I do agree a TV needs to be adjusted for optimum viewing. But . . . if the person likes the way it looks out of the box then I guess it\'s the best picture . . . for them.
Not the point.
Point is, for HD formats to take off, people need to see the advantage that it can bring, most people will not see that with out a properly calibrated TV.
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people need to see ANY difference for it to take off.
put the average joe sixpack in front of TV\'s showing a 480i DVD (majority of DVD players in use today) and a 1080P Blu-Ray/HD-DVD. think he\'ll see the difference (without some smuck playing with the contrast and sharpess sliders and screaming omgz calibration ftw! :rolleyes:)
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Not the point.
Point is, for HD formats to take off, people need to see the advantage that it can bring, most people will not see that with out a properly calibrated TV.
May not be your point but most people wouldn\'t know a really good picture if bit them on the ass.
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This thread proves my point, most of you know NOTHING about calibration and think that a TV outta the box is at it\'s best settings.
well that proves one thing. Most people wont calibrate their TV sets to get the maximum quality simply because they dont know
But the question is how much "uncalibrated" a TV set is before calibration to make the difference?
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little to none
placebo effect
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well that proves one thing. Most people wont calibrate their TV sets to get the maximum quality simply because they dont know
But the question is how much "uncalibrated" a TV set is before calibration to make the difference?
TV that were factory adjusted were purposedly adjusted to be "off" specs to make them "stand out" in the showroom floors in store hoping to lure uniformed buyers into thinking that tv looks great. How much uncalibrated or off specs the TV is varies from different type of models to models. But pretty much any TVs that were made after 1995 or so were really off specs. White is too bright, black is too dark, and color is so oversaturated such as blue is too blue and red is too red. edge enhancements, sharpness were overemphasize which introduce more annoying video noises to the picture...
I have a 27" TV that was made in 1993 that looks a heck lot more accurate and natural out of the box compares to the TVs that I owned that was made in 2000, and in 2003.
But of course, I recommend anyone that own TVs that were made around 1995 or afterward, to do some basic calibration by themselves. chances are their TV are really off specs. If you own a dvd player, such as playstation 2 would do, and you own some dvd movies that are "THX Certified" such as Pixar "The Incredibles", or Terminator 2: Extreme Edition, they have some basic audio/video test patterns included in the disc, just inserted the disc into the dvd player and follow the instructions on those audio/video test patterns to do the basic calibration. Once you are done, the picture will looks more accurate and natural...Hey, it doesn\'t cost you any money to do so...
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Well, a calibration won\'t suddenly make 480P look like 1080P. It\'s just to make what\'s already on the screen look better. So anyone should be able to spot the difference between DVD\'s and HD-DVD\'s - calibration or not.
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little to none
placebo effect
And if you believe that, you\'re ignorant and clueless.
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turn off fox news bro, the republicans aren\'t conspiring to make TV\'s miscalibrated. NO TV\'s FOR OIL!!!1
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Well, a calibration won\'t suddenly make 480P look like 1080P. It\'s just to make what\'s already on the screen look better. So anyone should be able to spot the difference between DVD\'s and HD-DVD\'s - calibration or not.
Thats what I thought
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because you used common sense.
LIC has the ability to calibrate a dodge reliant into a BMW.
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Rejoice everyone!
http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/01/pioneer-planning-hd-dvd-blu-ray-combo-drive-the-bdr-103/
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turn off fox news bro, the republicans aren\'t conspiring to make TV\'s miscalibrated. NO TV\'s FOR OIL!!!1
You truly are an idiot if you don\'t think that TV\'s out of the box are not properly calibrated. Hey, if you want to be ignorant, fine, but don\'t try and pass off something that is factual as anything less.
When you buy a TV it is not properly calirbated for optimal video settings. You\'re wrong, not only are you wrong, but you\'re being an arrogant idiot about being wrong.
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6463_7-5085739-3.html?tag=dir
Now go ahead, post some dumb "witty" comment, so that you can\'t avoid being wrong and avoid the whole subject at hand.
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and say it with me lic, enthusiast.
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and say it with me lic, enthusiast.
As I expected, a dumb witty comment.
Say it with me.
You\'re wrong, as usual..Get over it.
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I just had the bulb replaced in my LCD screen (it withered for a while and then burnt out) and the brightness and wide viewing angle are back.
So I put all my settings back to the default in the center of the slide. things like brightness and stuff
What are you trying to tell me LIC, that I can find a better picture by tinkering with it? I usually think I\'m making it worse.
Maybe I need a copy of the incredibles to try the calibration?
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he\'s saying no HDTV is properly calibrated, and you must spend 100$ on a calibration problem or you\'re lame and probably wasted 1500$ when that 13" B&W jobbie in grandma\'s room was perfectly fine.
i\'m saying the difference is nominal at best, adjust the sliders till the picture suits you, and have a nice day.
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he\'s saying no HDTV is properly calibrated, and you must spend 100$ on a calibration problem or you\'re lame and probably wasted 1500$ when that 13" B&W jobbie in grandma\'s room was perfectly fine.
i\'m saying the difference is nominal at best, adjust the sliders till the picture suits you, and have a nice day.
And I\'m saying that the difference is big, with a properly calibrated TV and that you, have ZERO clue what you\'re talking about...as usual.
It makes no sense to buy into the HD format and not have your TV calibrated to it\'s best settings. Zero sense at all.
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adjust the sliders till the picture suits you, and have a nice day
This is still the jist of what you\'re trying to say tho LIC, right?
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well, no.
it has to be the complete opposite of what i say, always.
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This is still the jist of what you\'re trying to say tho LIC, right?
No. A true calibration will have color tempature, black level and what not. Not just your usual sharpness / brightness.
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Lets make things simple. With current techs, on a scale of 1 to 10 (one being crap and ten being best quality available) the quality would be something like:
Super 8 = 2
Calibrated Super 8 = 2.2
vhs on standard tv = 4
DVD on standard tv = 5
DVD on calibrated tv = 5.5
HD format on HDTV = 9
HD format on HDTV quick calibrated = 9.5
HD format on fully calibrated HDTV theatre system = 10
Calibration slightly improves the viewing experience, but the basic format/viewing method is going to have a much bigger effect than calibration or no., With that said, it\'s crazy to invest a few grand setting up an HD home theatre and not taking the few minutes it takes to perform at least simple calibrations (sound and video). For people who watch/listen to a lot of media, they will want to invest the time AND money it would take to do a full system calibration, so that for the hundreds/thousands of hours they use their system they will be getting the best possible quality.
This makes many assumptions, but they\'re fairly straightforward, things like \'people spending thousands on a HD theatre will also spend some money optimizing their room layouts/design, researching purchases\' etc, etc.
Oh, and mm, you can rent all the necessary tools to do a full audio and visual calibration for a day for about 20 bucks, and if you do the reading ahead of time, it\'s all you need. No need to spend hundreds or more than an hour or two.
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Anyway, saw BR player in operation today. Thought the pic looked very nice but nothing that makes me want to chuck my Denon DVD player. I\'ll wait.