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Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: Viper_Fujax on September 19, 2006, 11:55:01 AM
My brother\'s moving out and so is his 360.

im NOT debating whether the games will be worth it..so lets not get into that discussion. Between soccer, madden, nhl, lost planet, gears of war, resident evil, and GTA, id be pretty set with a 360, and i do have a good amount in the bank (i could afford a PS3 but..thatd make a big dent).

Anyway, is it still worth it without an HDTV? if its not, then im going to have to wait a while because i cant afford an HDTV (even if its only like 28" er something), since together, that would cost like 2 grand..
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: mm on September 19, 2006, 12:41:36 PM
no

2 grand?
what is this, 2002?
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: Coredweller on September 19, 2006, 12:51:36 PM
You can always buy the microsoft VGA cable and connect it to your PC monitor.  I\'ve done that and it works very well.  It looks better than my 1080i HD TV (albeit with a smaller image).
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: Eiksirf on September 19, 2006, 02:31:55 PM
Graphically, it\'s not impressive on small, standard definition tv sets. I feel this will be the case with PS3 as well.

My two cents.
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: Viper_Fujax on September 19, 2006, 09:35:57 PM
Quote from: mm
no

2 grand?
what is this, 2002?


i think a good sized HDTV is like 1400. Added with the 600 bucks a 360 ends up being (second controller, a few games, etc)


never thought about doing that cored..i have a decent monitor too. 19" though so its not that big. how big is ur monitor? http://www.epinions.com/SAMSUNG_SyncMaster_19_TFT_LCD_Flat_Panel_Monitor_930B

im actually going to try it tomorrow. The pain in the ass is they usually pack those cables in those boxes you have to destroy..
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: mm on September 20, 2006, 03:49:49 AM
my 36" hdtv (sony CRT) ran me 1200 2 years ago.

you can get a decent 720P 42" for under a grand now.
hell, a 52" projection can be had for 800$
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on September 20, 2006, 03:54:47 AM
36"  :laughing:  buy a new tv mm.
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: mm on September 20, 2006, 04:04:25 AM
no way, CRT > everything
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: GmanJoe on September 20, 2006, 05:02:37 AM
I don\'t think Samsung went with though with this plan:

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200407/200407190039.html

Unless I missed it. I posted this link last year, at least.
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: FatalXception on September 20, 2006, 07:49:50 AM
It\'s probably much better with an HDTV (like most media), but if you like the 360 and games, it\'s worth it either way.

Just surf and make sure you don\'t get one of the few games that\'s bugged for SD tvs (dead rising, for example, has almost unreadable fonts in SD).
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: Paul2 on September 20, 2006, 08:08:11 AM
This 34" widescreen HDTV CRT (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sony-34-WEGA-Flat-Screen-HDTV-KD34XBR970/sem/rpsm/oid/147206/catOid/-12867/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do) is only $999.99.

About a month or two ago, it was still $1199.99.  Now, they reduced it to under $1,000.

sometimes stores like Circuity City and Best Buy even instant rebate it cheaper than that...as little as $25 to $100 cheaper from instant rebate.
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: NVIDIA256 on September 21, 2006, 02:23:51 AM
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my 36" hdtv (sony CRT)


This was the best CRT HDTV ever made in history, still to this day it outclasses LCD and plasma in terms of color reproduction, contrast etc...

TO bad CRT\'s are limited to 36 inch tops and can only do 1080i. Problem is for sports, Progressive is superiour due to the fast motion

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no way, CRT > everything


Again you are wise(as your eyes cannot deceive you), only videophiles know this, the rest of the sheep are brainwashed into believing that LCD and plasma are superior due to there esthetic appearance and social status.

Soon it will be: SED>CRT
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: NVIDIA256 on September 21, 2006, 02:36:53 AM
Paul Sony stop production of CRT tubes a year ago.
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: Ace on September 21, 2006, 06:14:30 AM
Quote from: NVIDIA256
Aain you are wise(as your eyes cannot deceive you), only videophiles know this, the rest of the sheep are brainwashed into believing that LCD and plasma are superior due to there esthetic appearance and social status.


I\'m a videophile and I like the look of plasmas and LCDs. I don\'t think of myself as following the herd. I have a 32" Sony HDTV and it looks great but I hated the fact that I needed to reinforce the FLOORS IN MY HOUSE!
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: Paul2 on September 21, 2006, 08:08:43 AM
Quote from: NVIDIA256
Paul Sony stop production of CRT tubes a year ago.

Did you click on the link?  Its true that Sony had discontinued most of their HDTV CRT models, but again.  They still sell the latest 34" HDTV CRT model which came out early this year.  I don\'t know if next year they will discontinued this remaining HDTV CRT model or not.  I hope not though.

Click Here (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Specifications-of-Sony-34-WEGA-Flat-Screen-HDTV-KD34XBR970/sem/rpsm/oid/147206/rpem/ccd/productDetailSpecification.do#tabs)
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: mm on September 21, 2006, 08:28:27 AM
i still laugh at my buddy who paid $2,000 for a 42" samsung EDTV not long ago.
the picture is garbage.

i\'m skipping this entire plasma/lcd/dlp generation
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: Ace on September 21, 2006, 08:33:36 AM
Quote from: mm
i still laugh at my buddy who paid $2,000 for a 42" samsung EDTV not long ago.
the picture is garbage.

i\'m skipping this entire plasma/lcd/dlp generation


EDTV is not the same as HDTV as I\'m sure you know. To say that some of the newest plasmas and LCD TVs don\'t have some amazing imagery on their screens is fooling yourself.
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: NVIDIA256 on September 21, 2006, 08:56:39 AM
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Did you click on the link? Its true that Sony had discontinued most of their HDTV CRT models, but again


I understand, they may still have a new model out, but production of the tubes have stopped that is a fact from the mouth of SONY. CRT IS A DEAD TECHNOLOGY, it has been phased out by the new generation of tech.
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: NVIDIA256 on September 21, 2006, 09:08:49 AM
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I have a 32" Sony HDTV and it looks great but I hated the fact that I needed to reinforce the FLOORS IN MY HOUSE!


Here\'s the thing I don\'t quite understand. CRT\'s have been around for over 50 years, not ever one complaint about weight and bulkiness. Not until plasma\'s came out did people start to complain about the Size of crt\'s. Don\'t get me wrong, the new tv\'s are much better space savers, easier to move(as long as it\'s not a 60 inch) more adjustable etc...

It\'s also funny that sheep were willing to pay 20,000 dollars for a plasma when they first came out, and the picture quality was absolute shit. Then again 80% of tv owner\'s have there tubes set with color saturation, over brightness and contrast and run them over 6500k temp and think the picture is top notch. They have been conditioned to prefer inferior picture quality. For this reason it is of no suprise that many people love LCD and think it\'s ub3r 1337.
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: Ace on September 21, 2006, 09:13:06 AM
Yes, we lived with it \'cause we did not have an option. The Sony I have is still heavy whether plasma existed or not. :)

The people that pay tons of money when new tech comes out should be thanked. In the end they are the ones that get the ball rolling for us poor slobs.

I do agree that most people wouldn\'t know a good picture if it bit them on the ass.
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: Mr. Kennedy on September 21, 2006, 09:28:54 AM
I\'m going to play Devil\'s advocate here. I had a 19" CRT, good quality, no complaints.  However, I wanted to up the size, I have my TV on a shelf, anything larger than 19" (CRT) would not have fit and probably would have collapsed the shelf had I tried to fit it on there.  Sometimes in life we have to sacrifice a little quality to get what we want.  I fit a 36" widescreen LCD where a 24" CRT would not have fit.  Could I have bought a bigger shelf? Sure, but that adds to the cost of the TV, and I use it for other things than just a tv as well.  For me, it was a convient way to upgrade to HDTV without having to redesign my relatively small room to accomodate a larger TV.  It didn\'t cost me an arm and a leg either, LCD\'s arent THAT expensive.
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: Eiksirf on September 21, 2006, 09:31:13 AM
Why would I want a tv made up of a series of tubes? I have an internet for that.
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: Ryu on September 21, 2006, 09:43:16 AM
Quote from: The Hurricane
I\'m going to play Devil\'s advocate here. I had a 19" CRT, good quality, no complaints.  However, I wanted to up the size, I have my TV on a shelf, anything larger than 19" (CRT) would not have fit and probably would have collapsed the shelf had I tried to fit it on there.  Sometimes in life we have to sacrifice a little quality to get what we want.  I fit a 36" widescreen LCD where a 24" CRT would not have fit.  Could I have bought a bigger shelf? Sure, but that adds to the cost of the TV, and I use it for other things than just a tv as well.  For me, it was a convient way to upgrade to HDTV without having to redesign my relatively small room to accomodate a larger TV.  It didn\'t cost me an arm and a leg either, LCD\'s arent THAT expensive.


Had a similar situation personally and I now use a 32" Sony Bravia.  

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the rest of the sheep are brainwashed into believing that LCD and plasma are superior due to there esthetic appearance and social status.


Exactly.  That\'s the exact reason I bought an LCD.  Bravo.  You saw right through me.  Enjoy your superior picture quality, I\'ll be too distracted banging all these hot chicks who want my wang because I have an LCD TV.  UNF UNF!
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: Mr. Kennedy on September 21, 2006, 09:47:55 AM
Ryu, I have the same set as you.  I mistakenly wrote 36", but I\'m still impressed with the 32" Bravia.  I don\'t care about specs as long as I\'m happy with the picture in front of me.
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: Paul2 on September 21, 2006, 10:08:10 AM
Quote from: The Hurricane

...I don\'t care about specs as long as I\'m happy with the picture in front of me.

and that\'s what really matters.  As long as you are happy, that\'s what really count.
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: NVIDIA256 on September 21, 2006, 11:22:17 AM
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Exactly. That\'s the exact reason I bought an LCD. Bravo. You saw right through me. Enjoy your superior picture quality, I\'ll be too distracted banging all these hot chicks who want my wang because I have an LCD TV. UNF UNF!


Next time you meet a girl make sure to mention the plasma to lure her to your home, chicks dig it. The bigger the better.
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: Viper_Fujax on September 21, 2006, 01:14:17 PM
anyywayyy...

I tried out cored\'s idea of putting it on my monitor and it turned out great. Madden\'s got a little more blur and jaggies than normal, but overall still looks really good (a lot better than my TV).

Burnout, road to the fifa world cup, and lost world (demos) looked awesome.

Pretty much set on getting one when school calms down in a little while.

Just two things i have to figure out:
1) Switching the monitor from PC to 360 and vice versa is a pain in the ass, with those tiny screws at the weird angle. Anyone know if theres an A-B switch for that? Or a two in one kind of thing..
2) Audio. Its not really long enough to plug into my PC (which is the only thing connected to speakers. Not even sure if that would work.
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: Viper_Fujax on September 21, 2006, 08:40:38 PM
think i figured it out.

Can use this to connect the PC and 360 to my monitor http://www1.shopping.com/xPO-CP_Technologies_2_Port_KVM_Switch_with_Built_in_Cables (i have something identical..just by iogear instead). My VGA cable came with a male-female switcher, so all the plugs would work.

For audio, i think if i just unplug my speakers/subwoofer and plug the cables from the VGA cable into an extesion with 2 plug-ins and 2 outs..still have to buy that.

nothing like procrastinating on studying calculus..
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: Coredweller on September 21, 2006, 09:29:02 PM
Quote from: Viper_Fujax
Can use this to connect the PC and 360 to my monitor http://www1.shopping.com/xPO-CP_Technologies_2_Port_KVM_Switch_with_Built_in_Cables (http://www1.shopping.com/xPO-CP_Technologies_2_Port_KVM_Switch_with_Built_in_Cables) (i have something identical..just by iogear instead). My VGA cable came with a male-female switcher, so all the plugs would work.

Thanks for the link.  I need to get a switching cable like that also.

BTW, I\'ve been transporting my 360 back and forth between the HDTV in one room, and my PC in the other room.  Everytime I disconnect it from the power supply, the internal clock gets reset.  I have to fix it everytime because my game saves get datestamped wrong, and sorted to the bottom of the list.  It\'s annoying.  You\'d think they would have designed it with a battery that could retain the clock settings.
Title: 360 worth it without an HDTV?
Post by: Titan on September 22, 2006, 01:35:11 PM
Quote from: mm
no way, CRT > everything


*high fives mm* The HDTV that I\'m looking at is tube. I think it looks better than all the LCD and plasma tvs out there. Only problem is I can\'t afford the even 700 dollars it is right now :(