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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: Riku on November 01, 2006, 09:04:43 AM
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Anyone else get it?
I picked up the collector\'s edition (a tin case, it\'s beautiful), and logged almost two hours on it already. The opening FMV is amazing, gave me goosebumps. The in-game graphics are equally as impressive, so much that at times I can\'t believe I\'m playing a PS2 game. The battle engine is okay, I\'m still getting used to it, and I\'m a little lost on the license system, but I\'m looking forward to figuring it all out.
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From the graphics I had been thinking this was a PS3 launch game until a little while ago. Now that I\'ve played it, I can\'t believe how much they have been able to push from the aging PS2 system.
I\'ll be playing this nonstop for a few weeks at least.
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I can\'t believe how much they have been able to push from the aging PS2 system
No kidding. The textures are beyond anything I\'ve seen on the PS2 (and I\'m tempted to say Xbox and GC as well). The artistry is consistently jaw-dropping, the voice overs are very high quality (surprising to me after how bad FFX was), and the scene direction is gripping...I really, really like it.
So far, I believe the reviewers who gave it perfect ratings. I\'ll be spending quite a bit time with this as well, like until Rogue Galaxy releases in February.
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damn you two.
I was hoping you\'d say it was crap so i wouldn\'t want to buy it.
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it\'s crap, don\'t buy it.
there you go G....
only joking, no idea what it\'s like, last FF game I bought, was FFX, my interest in the series somewhat petered out after that.
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Got it and all I can say is wow. Best Final Fantasy since VII
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you guys are gonna make me go spend some money i cant really afford to spend on this...damn it!!!!
maybe just trade in 3-4 games and a few dvds...lol
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I love EVERYTHING so far about this game with one (minor) exception. They\'ve set it up so the camera rotates left when you move the stick right and right when you move left, it\'s very counter-intuitive compared with every other camera control I\'ve ever used and I\'m still messing it up after hours of play.
But the battle system is easy to use, and very smooth (looks a bit like the \'new\' styles of combat, you choose fight, and it goes through it\'s own complex motions and actions, little input). Chaining to get loot is awesome (kill same enemies multiple times for better loot and drops). The dialog from \'random\' NPCs (as in, optional dialogue) is detailed, with lots of useful info mixed into it. The story is \'dark\' and \'mature\' which is something I really missed in FFIX and X2.
It seems like you don\'t have as much a \'main\' character this time, more about the whole group and you play everyone a bit. Not my favorite thing (I love making an uber main), but it seems to work really well.
I didn\'t get the \'special edition\' for a couple reasons though. First is price, it\'s literally 50% more than the regular version here (after tax), and that seems outrageous for the box (the other stuff will hit the net soon enough). Second, as cool as tin-box collector sets are, I\'ve learned from ones like Akira that they just don\'t fit on any of my DVD shelves :)
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Would this be fun for someone who never played FF?
You guys make it sound pretty tempting, but I wouldn\'t be able to finish it before Wii I bet!
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Would this be fun for someone who never played FF?
You guys make it sound pretty tempting, but I wouldn\'t be able to finish it before Wii I bet!
Don\'t worry if you haven\'t played a Final Fantasy before; XII was meant to be a reinvention of the series and I\'d say Square accomplished that. It feels different- better. If you like RPGs, FFXII just might be the best one available of this generation. The production values are sky high and it comes through in every facet of the game.
Expect to spend no less than 40 hours with it if past Final Fantasy games are anything to go by.
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I\'m dying inside because I sold my PS2 assuming I was going to get a PS3. That didn\'t fall through and now I can\'t play the new Final Fantasy... ARGH
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The silver PS2 just got price-dropped to 129, I believe, if you are not getting a PS3 for a while.
Loving this game though. I\'m about 6 hours into it now, and starting to get the camera-rotation thing down ok. Of course, when I finally go back to any other game, I\'ll be all messed up after this, but meh.
40 hours, I would say is conservative, but it depends on your style of play. If you play through the main story line, you are looking at 30-40 hours. If you play through some of the optional side stuff (and there\'s lots), you will probably be more like 50-80 hours. If you are a \'complete all\' type player, then past final fantasies have yielded up 100-200 hours of gameplay to finish everything (some people love that style of play, ie me, and some hate it). If you played GT4 and your completion was <60%, expect 30-40 hours. 60-85% expect 50-80 hours. Completion >85% expect lots and lots of hours.
I can also say that with the exception of stairs (which the PS2 has never been able to do well), the graphics in this game are incredible throughout. The amount of detail put into everything is great... even the bestiary is great. The creatures have whimsical, poetical write-ups which actually contain some good info, and when you kill a certain number of a type of creature you get a second page, and a \'sage tip\' with some advanced info for the game.
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camera rotation bothers me, but i will get used to it.
about 5 hours into it and it\'s only getting better. very exciting.
get the collectors edition... the case is worth it.
so far i would rate it as the 2nd best FF... but things can change.
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I didn\'t even know it was coming out. Wow, I\'m out of the loop. Looks like I might need to bring my PS2 back from columbus and dust it off.
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last tru rpg i played was shadow hearts....good game but i couldn\'t finish it...maybe i\'ll give this a try,..because the only rpg that i\'ve ever truly liked was ff7...i also liked parasite eve...but i think square should have just made that a survival horror game...meh i never picked up ffX which i heard was great as well,...i\'ll probably end up gettin\' this...i\'m waay overdue for a ff game anyway,...reviews all over the net are givin\' this joint perfect scores, so i guess if you\'re into rpg\'s you really can\'t lose with this one...
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just done a search on it and it\'s not supposed to hit the uk until early 07 aparently, I checked out youtube to see if there were any vids of it, there were a few. It does look pretty good, I might just use this version of the game to get back into the FF series, then again, I might not, I don\'t know for sure yet.
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This game blows away the other FF games, and maybe even dethrones FFVII (I\'ll have to finish it first, of course).
- Lots of elements from past FF games and other Squaresoft games (plenty of skies of arcadia references, too).
- The first FF game in a long while to be challenging. Money is (very) tight, bosses are plentiful and challenging (especially elite marks), and there\'s plenty of untapped power in the character\'s licenses, but it takes a while to get out.
- Great voice acting, and thus far a compelling and interesting storyline, don\'t know specifically why, but I prefer this one\'s to FF IX, X, and X-2.
- Love the combat system (and gambits), very steep learning curve for the first few battles, but once you figure out what it\'s doing, it\'s a very powerful tool.
- Was the treacherous twin executed or will he make an appearance... a judge perhaps?
From someone who has played through pretty much every FF game out there (except X-2 and XI), I will put this one in the top three for sure*.
I\'m just passing 26 hours of in game play time now (not counting the resets from boss deaths), so that\'s less than $2.50 per hour of fun (better value than movies, bar hopping, etc) - and it\'s only going down. I\'m going to have to take some time off though soon. Work again tomorow, and certain people were complaining today about my lack of \'wanting to talk about the day\' (rolls eyes).
[spoiler] (not too specific, just general gameplay tips)
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- Hint for those of you that get this.... when you get ancient tomes in the bazaar, save for them first, they make a big difference (much more than expensive techniques will at first).
-The south end of the gaza plains is a great place to chain wolves, you can go back and forth from SE to SW (three screens) and do 14 per round.
- In the floating city mine, the same is possible where the skellies pop up. They will keep popping up to skellie Z, so you get 26 of those, and then mage skellies, so you can leave that room with 40-50 skellies chained if you have patience.
- Big damage works better than more defence, so spend money on weapons before armor.
- Think we\'ll see the treacherous twin again? Perhaps as a judge?
- Will the story end up all over the world? 26 hours in, I\'m still roundabouts the middle :)
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*Although I do still have to finish it, things could always go horribly wrong :p
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Damn!! you people make me want it like crazy! It\'s not yet released in Europe but when its released I ll have studying to do
F*ckin\' university
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i\'m about 8 hours in and really enjoying it.
it almost feels like a single player MMORPG in many aspects.
being able to see encounters and avoiding them if i want is a huge improvement. nothing pisses me off like trying to get somewhere on a map and having to fight 7 fucking random monsters.
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i\'m about 8 hours in and really enjoying it.
it almost feels like a single player MMORPG in many aspects.
being able to see encounters and avoiding them if i want is a huge improvement. nothing pisses me off like trying to get somewhere on a map and having to fight 7 fucking random monsters.
that used to piss me off no end as well
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but if don\'t fight the monsters, how do you properly level up?...i know it\'s good to finally have a choice in fighting them, but this can also have you not properly prepared for boss fights correct?
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damn... the first game I really wish I could play since I sold my ps2 a few years back. Might have to spring for a used one or something... no chance this is coming to pc anytime soon is there? :(
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This thread makes me want the game. Hmm...
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there\'s just something about going into an area and cleaning house. it feels different, especially when 2 characters attack 3 times in a row almost at the same time.
i dont want call this a spoiler but dont read if you are really really nervous of spoiling anything about the game
this is one of the hardest FFs out there, so be patient.... bosses tend to be relentless.
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i beat the first 3 boss\'s without the party dying.
normally the "guest" drops like a rock and i continue the fight
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I\'m now 29 with my main, mid 20s with others. Got most of the class I and II marks done, and a couple elite marks (the first two, as it were). Can\'t seem to beat any of the class III marks though, and the class V one I tried for fun, well, I could barely get to it. I\'ve got the augment license tree pretty maxed for everyone, just working on weapons/magic now. Is it sexist that thus far all my female characters are my magic buffers/attacker and the guys are weaponmasters?
Still trying to get the hang of mist techniques... anyone know just how the heck you are supposed to be doing those? I hit a boss with a lvl 3 blast and it did no damage - but I think I\'m doing something wrong. I\'ve been hitting R2 (scroll) until I see one of the choices have a button, then I hit it... sometimes it will do it again, sometimes it does lots of damage, sometimes nothing??
Very cool game... I\'m just on my way down to the Ozmone (sp?) plains to visit with the Garifs, I would guess from the world map perhaps 1/3rd through the game?
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what i find amusing is that i got about 10 hours into the game already and in comparison to most other games on the market, i would have beat it already.
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Ohhkay, I\'m getting a bit better at mist techs, so I\'ll pass on some tips.
1) Choose a party of three and stick with them, and max their mist techs first. This will give them 3x mana and make chaining the mist attacks much easier. Try to give every other character 1 mist attack. (I learned this lesson a bit late, and it made my game a bit harder)
2) When you start mist attack, look to the lower right. Basically you are looking for a white option. If you have one, press that button immediately. If you are early in the combo (pre-5) then you probably have time enough to read/choose and you should always try and select \'charge\' if it comes up. Charge will always be followed by a valid choice in that slot, you can just hit the button twice if you are close to out of time.
3) By 8-9 combo it\'s usually moving pretty fast, but you will do thousands (or tens of thousands) of damage if you can get a combo up that high. By flipping out one character and bringing in another one with 1 mist attack, they can start the attack, and if you are fast enough with charges, you can re-do the attack (your other characters don\'t need mana to participate).
I\'m at just over 37 hours now, and I\'m not working at all until next week, so I\'ll be at least halfway through the game by monday. By the way, money being so tight, make sure you set up one character to steal constantly (I do it for enemies over 70%, and have the other concentrate on those, so that he steals then fights). It won\'t make a huge difference at first, but over time the stealing makes a difference. Once you hit the woods, you will be getting panthers, and you can fill up 100 of their pelts in 15 minutes... which sells for 45k (no more money worries).
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what i find amusing is that i got about 10 hours into the game already and in comparison to most other games on the market, i would have beat it already.
It\'s true, but the interesting thing is that the length is the main thing that keeps me away. That\'s a big investment and a lot of tedious fighting.
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Here\'s a gameplay tip for those of you in the first 20 hours or (small spoiler):
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Get to the Mospheran Highlands ASAP, I think you can do it right after the rains (the fishing village with the ferry runs again, part of a minor sidequest). Upon arrival, you can buy golden hairpins (2x LP), and stick them on the players you AREN\'T using, they still earn 2x LP from monsters.
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Marks get incredibly hard after third class, it seems like it breaks down to party/player level X 10 for class (+10 for elite marks). I beat my class III marks at lvl 30, still a battle, II marks at 20ish, etc, etc.
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I was going to sell my PS2, but...
I HATE YOU ALL! >_<
I gotta go get this game now. =\\
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I rented this game and 15 hours in I am glad I didnt buy it. Heres why:
- LAME hero
if you can even call \'it\' a hero. I\'m talking about Vaan. I want to vomit every time I see those fake abs. Vaan makes Tidus of FFX look like a stud. Wow, I\'m tired of all these weak main characters. The main character should be the leader, not a stupid punk follower like Vaan
- Star Wars ripoff
More then anything this game reminds me of some cheap star wars ripoff. Space ships looking things and talking reptiles? Even that little land speeder or whatever Fran and Balthier were on early in the game looked straight out of star wars.
- Save points in wrong places
This is what probably pushed me over the edge with this game. Too many times I will spend 2 hours in a dungeon opening doors and leveling up to not have a save point within 15 minutes walking distance only to get jumped by a boss in a weakened state which leads to my death and the loss of 2 hours worth of work. BS
- Difficulty, good and bad
The game is a challenge, which is good, BUT, too often I find myself curing my party after nearly every single battle. This is time consuming and annoying
- Stupid tasks
I hate RPGS that have the \' I would let you in, but I lost my key. Could you go find it?" FFXII has plenty of that crap. At least they made fun of it in the game when a character joked about sending you to get his tools...
- Too much dungeon crawling
Dungeon crawling is boring, to say the least with no real puzzles
- Character stereotype
Baltheier...oh my. If I hear another wise crack from this guy..The characters dont feel real to me, they feel like stereotypes. I am not emotionally connected to them at all unlike pass FF games
At this point what really got me mad was spending 3 hours dungeon crawling and opening doors and leveling up only to be jumped by a boss and killed with no save point within 15 minutes of walking.
I need encouragement to get back to this...
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The story is much less focused on a single character. Ashe gets more story time than Vaan, then there are the secondary characters who get quite a bit of camera time as well. It\'s a huge story that involves many characters. It takes a while to get in to all of this though.
I thought about Star Wars at first, too. 40 hours in, however, and I really can\'t fathom a comparison.
I think the save points are well placed save for a few occassions. You should keep your characters in an optimal state of health at all times. Explosion traps can wipe you out if you\'re not careful, and there are some nasty enemies in a few places. I\'ve kept a gambit of \'Ally: HP < 70% ---- Potion (or Cure)\' at the top of my gambits and I\'ve done rather well. This game is about defense more than anything, and then attack power. Buy new armor whenever available. Use license points to obtain more HP, better chance of avoiding/blocking attacks, and increased swiftness. It is a challenging game, but not impossible.
Sounds like you need to learn about Gambits. They are wonderful. If set up properly, you don\'t have to do much except direct your characters\' path. Just keep a healthy supply of potions, ether, and rememdies available for consumption.
I will also suggest saving every opportunity you get, even if it means backtracking. The dungeons are not that big, and you\'ll get to level up on the way back. I usually save every 30 minutes or so.
The bosses are relentless. They don\'t play nice. Level up.
If the tasks bother you then I can\'t help. The game is full of those objectives.
Balthier is a badass.
If you don\'t mind me asking, which dungeon were you in that you spent so much time in and got killed?
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i\'m at 86 hours, and not far from the end i suspect.
my only complaint is all the bosses can be beaten with the same tactic. berserk a "tank" type character and just keep healing the group.
i havent used any mists/summons either.
rather useless.
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I\'m loving this game. The only complaint I have is that I want more than 3 party members at a time. I don\'t want to have to wait for a "guest". I\'m loving the leveling and liscence system though.
Gotta say, Everquest actually helped me understand how to use gambits in this game.
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I will also suggest saving every opportunity you get, even if it means backtracking.
Alot of back tracking...At some point do you get the opportunity to save anywhere, like in a highwind?
If you don\'t mind me asking, which dungeon were you in that you spent so much time in and got killed?
I was in the Tomb of King so and so to get Ashe\'s proof. It may have only been an hour that was wiped out when I was killed by a boss but it ticked me off big time, considering I was so close to beating him too. But I am encouraged again to move on and try again. Thank you. Will add 70% cure gambits, that should help
mm I\'ve noticed that about the battle system. I like the direction they are taking the series but the battle system feels like it is in the early stages. Experimental I think is the word. I suspect they will make advancements with it in FFXIII, just like the rather basic battle system of FF7 advanced all the way to FFX before being rehauled in FFXII
So far the story is rather generic, I\'m hoping there will be some big plot twist soon.
Oh and thank you for braving my rant, just had to blow off some steam. I\'m trying to beat FFXII in 14 days so I am under pressure
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Yeah, the tomb was the longest distance I think you encounter from save to boss. That said, Ifrit should go down pretty easy if you heal first, and aren\'t underleveled too bad - just make sure you are healed before the battle... once you leave your gambits set to keep healing everyone not in a battle below 80% your life gets much easier.
I currently have autocasting (when not in battle) heal < 90%, shell, protect, and bubble (2x hp)... when I got a few of those spells a while back, it made my decently levelled characters into uber-group.
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I cut right through ifrit and I\'m out of the tomb now and 10 hours deeper into the game. I\'m leveling up like a madman to try and prevent something like that from happening again. I now have my allies gambits on curaga <80%HP
More thoughts 25 hours into the game,
- Vaan
Vaan has become to me one of those characters that you love to hate. He is a dork, and most of the party can see that which makes it even funnier. I wanna be a sky pirate! LOL this guy is so lame, funny how even makes fun of himself about all the \'i wanna be a skypirate\' crap. Love it when he tries to fly the airship and they say \'are you out of your mind?!\' lol
- Ashe
The most realistic character in the game imo. Though her voice sounds like she is 30 rather then 19
-Larsa
Couldnt tell if this was a boy or a girl until they called it a he
The plot has gotten better, which is a pleasant surprise. right now im at the playboy bunny city.
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methinks i\'ll pass on this one...i\'m not really that much of a rpg fan....and if i do play \'em i\'d like for the system to be user friendly...not all of this strategic combobulated s**t.....yea i know some like for their rpg\'s to be challenging in that sense....but when i first played ff7, it took me awhile to understand that materia system!.....and that was fairly simple..:p..only other rpg i played before that was cosmic fantasy 2 on the turbo graphix 16!...:p.....i\'am interested in Rogue Galaxy and ff XIII tho...
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methinks i\'ll pass on this one...i\'m not really that much of a rpg fan....and if i do play \'em i\'d like for the system to be user friendly...not all of this strategic combobulated s**t.....yea i know some like for their rpg\'s to be challenging in that sense....but when i first played ff7, it took me awhile to understand that materia system!.....and that was fairly simple..:p..only other rpg i played before that was cosmic fantasy 2 on the turbo graphix 16!...:p.....i\'am interested in Rogue Galaxy and ff XIII tho...
I\'ve played every Final Fantasy from 6 thru X-2. Final Fantasy XII is the easiest to pick up out of all of them.
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I\'ve played every Final Fantasy from 6 thru X-2. Final Fantasy XII is the easiest to pick up out of all of them.
really?....hmmm, maybe i\'ll give this a rent to see how i like it...:)
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Status report!!
I\'m at 60 hrs, with most of my characters at level 55 or there abouts. I think I\'m nearing the end of the game, I just finished up in Giruvegan.
I\'ve explored as much as I can at my current level, and I\'m wondering about a few places (sorry for the spelling errors):
-Zertinian Caverns: I haven\'t bother going back to explore since I left it back when I was first exploring the sandsea. Is it worth going back in?
-Hennes Mines, part 2: When you come in the back entrance from Feywood. It\'s quite a difficult place what with the bats doing 900+ damage to me. Anything worthwhile in there?
-Necrohol of Nabuduis: It just looks and sounds like a place with a few really tough enemies, probably some bosses, too. Is it worth going in and exploring the whole thing?
-Nabrius Deadlands: Same thing, the enemies were dealing out some significant damage so I left. Anything worthwhile?
- Lhusu Mines: I never figured out how to get in to the second part of it. How do you do it, and is it worth it?
How are people doing on their hunts and rare monster hunts? I just started on the rare monsters...I\'ve only found one by complete accident, that is besides the one they give you.
Espers? I only have three. I don\'t know if it\'s worth getting the optional espers since I don\'t use them in battle.
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I finally beat it. The best Final Fantasy yet!
This has become my favorite of the series. There was only one low point and that was the extremely long dungeon of Pharos. If there\'s any reason I won\'t play it again, it\'s that dungeon.
I can\'t wait for the DS sequel, Revenant Wings.