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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: FatalXception on November 12, 2006, 04:47:04 PM

Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: FatalXception on November 12, 2006, 04:47:04 PM: Link (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/11/09/xbox_update_blunder/).

Microsoft\'s latest patch causes hardware to die in certain 360s. Although the number is small, they are working with customers individually to resolve the issue. By working with, of course, I mean charging $139 USD to fix it.

Brilliant, they get money for the console, break it with a patch, then charge again to fix it. If they hit only 5% of their customers with each quarterly patch, no one person need get hit twice (and thus get super pissed) and they can collect an extra 50% revenue (compared to purchase sales) over 5 years.
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: Titan on November 12, 2006, 04:55:58 PM: This is worse than when Sony tried charging me 120 for them to fix my PS2. I told them to stick it and I fixed it myself :)
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: Evi on November 12, 2006, 06:06:54 PM: A patch that ruins hardware. Only Microsoft. :)
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: Blade on November 12, 2006, 07:14:54 PM: My hardware is still alive and well.

Call me when the PS3 doesn\'t cost 50% more anyway.

Edit: Jesus Christ, I\'m becoming mm. :(
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: Phil on November 12, 2006, 08:22:12 PM: ^^

Please don\'t, one mm is enough.
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: FatalXception on November 12, 2006, 09:27:00 PM: Quote from: Blade
My hardware is still alive and well.

Call me when the PS3 doesn\'t cost 50% more anyway.

Edit: Jesus Christ, I\'m becoming mm. :(

Yep, like I said.. veeeeery wily of Microsoft to keep this patch only affecting a minority (I mean really, what legitimately could cause \'dead consoles\' to a minority of homogeneous consoles).

One mm drips enough sarcasm and is more than enough jaded personality for the forums.
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: mm on November 13, 2006, 04:49:29 AM: 50% more?
i\'m not that bad at math :)
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: Blade on November 13, 2006, 07:14:31 AM: What? 50% of $400 is $200. $400 + $200 = $600. $600 = too fucking much, Kutaragi!
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: Titan on November 13, 2006, 08:58:09 AM: Yeah but isn\'t the premium 360 500? You\'re saying the premium of PS3 costs 50 percent more than the core 360. Yeah your logic is way off dude.
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: FatalXception on November 13, 2006, 10:35:13 AM: :jacked:

I should have remembered never to do a quick estimate with numbers. Upon calculating it properly (remember, I\'m talking income to MS, which is based on their sale price of consoles to stores of 359 and 455) it would take 6.41 to 8.12 years. Must note that this is based on a failure rate guesstimate of 5% per quarterly patch. Must note this is also based on the assumption that M$ is an evil company.
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: Eiksirf on November 13, 2006, 10:41:32 AM: Anyway, this is bogus customer support by Microsoft. If my 360 craps out, I\'ll be pissed if I have to go through that hassle.

I only have faith in Nintendo\'s customer support.
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: FatalXception on November 13, 2006, 10:50:49 AM: /me nods. M$ and Sony are definitely earning their reps for bad/expensive customer support. Sony will have a chance to improve their image with the PS3 launch.

Nintendo has always been great with CS, I had a gameboy color that crapped out, was past the warranty, but they replaced (with a refurbished) only for cost of shipping.
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: politiepet on November 13, 2006, 11:38:44 AM: Quote from: Titan
Yeah but isn\'t the premium 360 500? You\'re saying the premium of PS3 costs 50 percent more than the core 360. Yeah your logic is way off dude.

ehrm... no
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: mm on November 13, 2006, 02:29:38 PM: don\'t forget to add in the x360 200$ hd-dvd monstrosity when comparing it to the PS3.

$599 = $599
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: politiepet on November 13, 2006, 05:47:53 PM: why do we need to add that in? I thought we were comparing game consoles...
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: mm on November 13, 2006, 06:54:22 PM: we are....comparable ones.
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: Viper_Fujax on November 13, 2006, 07:42:37 PM: the difference is that spending 600 in one go would hurt.

spending the 400 and then getting my bank account back up and spending the next 200 doesnt feel that badly.

But im not that picky about having it built in the system like most people probably are.

either way..the systems are going to be the same. By the time games are using the blu-ray technology, xbox will probably be making HD-dvd games, or the ps3 will drop price.
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: Unicron! on November 13, 2006, 08:25:44 PM: I think HD-DVD 360 games are out of the question. It wil force the millions who will already have a stand alone 360 buy an HD-DVD to play certain games, and not to mention that some wouldnt even bother. So devs wont risk making games for it that may not sell just because people wont get an HD-DVD
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Post by: Bozco on November 13, 2006, 10:57:18 PM: Quote from: mm
we are....comparable ones.

If microsoft ever makes the mistake of having hd-dvd games then maybe.
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: Paul2 on November 13, 2006, 11:09:16 PM: i agree, like history have shown. Add-on won\'t sell that well. So, I doubt there will be any developers bother trying to make games in HD-DVD format for XBOX360 since it requires add-on HD-DVD drive in order to play, and consumers are more than likely won\'t bother going to spend the extra $200 just to play a game tin HD-DVD disc format.

So that\'s why built in are much more preferable. Plus, Blu Ray are better since it can hold more storage and more layers than HD-DVD. Don\'t forget both PS3 models ($500 and $600) have HDMI v1.3 ouput where XBOX360 lacks.
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on November 13, 2006, 11:56:12 PM: hmm, maybe i should start updating 360\'s. Then charging to repair them..
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: Eiksirf on November 14, 2006, 04:59:09 AM: Wii is most expensive because you have to buy an $800 stand alone Blu Ray player.

Don\'t even get me started on Nintendo DS. You need to buy a tv, a Blu-Ray player, PS3 controllers, broadband internet access, a new sofa and food to sustain yourself while playing it. That\'s just as expensive as a PS3.
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: Titan on November 14, 2006, 11:39:52 AM: Quote from: Eiksirf
Wii is most expensive because you have to buy an $800 stand alone Blu Ray player.

Don\'t even get me started on Nintendo DS. You need to buy a tv, a Blu-Ray player, PS3 controllers, broadband internet access, a new sofa and food to sustain yourself while playing it. That\'s just as expensive as a PS3.

Are you on crack? :confused:
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: mm on November 14, 2006, 02:36:27 PM: so whats this i heard about a Wii hardware revision next year?

hook, line, sinker
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: Titan on November 14, 2006, 02:41:06 PM: Quote from: mm
so whats this i heard about a Wii hardware revision next year?

hook, line, sinker

Didn\'t hear about that. What\'s gonna happen? I\'m curious since I am interested in the Wii.
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: mm on November 14, 2006, 03:23:33 PM: under a rock the last two days?

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/11/14/Wii_will_play_DVDs_in_07/

the ability to play DVD\'s is moot.
nintendo changing a product by 5% and repackaging it is not, however
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: NVIDIA256 on November 14, 2006, 05:40:33 PM: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: Titan on November 14, 2006, 06:07:25 PM: Quote from: mm
under a rock the last two days?

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/11/14/Wii_will_play_DVDs_in_07/

the ability to play DVD\'s is moot.
nintendo changing a product by 5% and repackaging it is not, however

No, I just have better things to do than continuously watch gaming sites ;)
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Post by: NVIDIA256 on November 14, 2006, 07:26:01 PM: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: Phil on November 14, 2006, 08:37:29 PM: I can\'t honestly see anyone buying the wii with the DVD playback feature. If they do, they should be drug out into the street and shot.
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: clips on November 14, 2006, 11:59:11 PM: ^^^i agree as well..nintendo should just stay within their element and just stay within their gaming model....as far as ms chargin\' $139 to fix their console? this is nothing new...half of these new virus threats on your pc are created by the same guys who sell you the upgrades to protect against them...
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: Eiksirf on November 15, 2006, 05:05:48 AM: They might issue software online or just a new retail version that plays DVDs.

Sink, line and hooker.

Won\'t cost me a dime unless it\'s an automatic update that breaks the console and then they charge me to repair it.

But that would never happen. Borderline illegal, in my opinion.
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: mm on November 15, 2006, 05:30:53 AM: microsoft isn\'t any different, i\'ll give them less than a year till they step all over any denial of releasing a xbox 360 with a built in HD-DVD drive and/or require it for games.
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: Titan on November 15, 2006, 11:02:12 AM: Quote from: mm
microsoft isn\'t any different, i\'ll give them less than a year till they step all over any denial of releasing a xbox 360 with a built in HD-DVD drive and/or require it for games.

I honestly wouldn\'t be surprised. I mean they\'re probably making a lot of money off this botched upgrade. I don\'t see why they are charging though. I can see a class action lawsuit on their hands. When a company releases an upgrade and fucks up a console, THEY should be held responsible to repair it, not the consumer. That just isn\'t right.
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Post by: FatalXception on November 15, 2006, 11:20:57 AM: It took less than a year for games to start requiring the HDD in the 360 (final fantasy XI, football manager), my guess is that with huge 20-25 GB games coming out on PS3, you will see some 360 game developers wanting to do the same and striking out on their own with HD-DVD requiring games.
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Post by: Titan on November 15, 2006, 11:24:08 AM: Quote from: FatalXception
It took less than a year for games to start requiring the HDD in the 360 (final fantasy XI, football manager), my guess is that with huge 20-25 GB games coming out on PS3, you will see some 360 game developers wanting to do the same and striking out on their own with HD-DVD requiring games.

And didn\'t Microsoft say they weren\'t gonna have games that needed the hard drive?
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Post by: Eiksirf on November 15, 2006, 11:35:04 AM: Too bad a game for HD-DVD wouldn\'t sell and would cost more to make.

I wouldn\'t hold my breath.

And those two exceptions to the harddrive thing hardly amount to anything, but it does still go against what Microsoft promised, I suppose.
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Post by: Riku on November 15, 2006, 02:08:28 PM: Microsoft told developers to make their games without the assumption the HDD would be there. It\'s up to the developers how they use accessories; same as something like eyetoy or the HDD on the PS2.

I highly doubt HD-DVD games on the 360. The userbase would be so small, and it goes against the notion that Microsoft is trying to move everything over to being digitally distributed. They\'ve already announced HD Movies and TV shows being distributed over Live, and it\'s only a matter of time before full size games make it, too. If there are any HD-DVD games it\'s because the developer made that decision.
Title: Microsoft rolling in money now, break console, $139 to fix.
Post by: mm on November 15, 2006, 06:29:12 PM: microsoft stated the HD-DVD is for movies only....