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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: clips on December 13, 2006, 11:14:40 PM
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found this over at gamespot...i guess it\'s kinda unfair since ps3 just came out, but it is supposed to be generally more powerful than the 360....maybe it comes down to the skill of the programmers?...whatever the case it\'s still a pretty interesting comparison.....
http://www.gamespot.com/features/6162742/index.html?tag=features;title;0
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Ports
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gman\'s right
no matter what, theyre going to be identical for a while. Fight night round 3 has "veins" and stuff, so i guess there\'s more power in the ps3..but maybe its because they had more time to touch the game up since FNR3 was a launch game (im pretty sure..i wasnt paying attention to xbox back then).
I hear both sides say theyre better. Assassin\'s Creed will have better AI in the 360 because the ps3 cant handle it..random shit like that. If you\'re mm, you might be able to nitpick enough to find a better of the two. But for the most part, the only people that will be saying one\'s better than the other are the idiots who wont just enjoy the system they bought without trying to justify not buying the other one.
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When I saw Resistance I thought it looked just as good as Gears. And that\'s a launch title vs. something of a second wave title.
I believe that PS3 might have an edge with its tech, but it\'s a tight race. When you have graphics so high end, it\'s hard to notice the differences anyway.
One day a company will decide that improving the graphics is no longer the most worth while thing to do, and they\'ll focus on changing some other aspect of gaming as well. ;]
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like hokey controllers?
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When you have graphics so high end, it\'s hard to notice the differences anyway.
That\'s debatable....
The more complex graphics become, the more evident any faulty sub element of those graphics will be.
Slowly but surely, we\'re seeing graphical features, previously exclusive to pre rendered CGi, seep into real time game engines. I notice, even alot of game editors are not noticing these when they\'re actually in some of the newest games.
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like hokey controllers?
are you talking about the 360 controller? Cause I for one really like the design of it. The only problem I have with it is the d-pad, but I hardly ever need to use that anyway...
eik... No way does resistance look as good as gears of war. As of now, 360 games look slightly better than ps3, although, of course, ps3 games are mostly ports of the xbox version. only the future will tell whether or not ps3 is gonna surpass the 360 though....
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nice comparison. I agreed as of right now, it seems like the 360 have the edge over PS3 graphically since 360 has been out for a year while ps3 just came out very recently.
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That\'s fine if you think that. I did notice the styles were different so it was harder to compare, but I thought Resistance looked nicer.
Yes mm, hokey controllers. ;]
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I hear both sides say theyre better. Assassin\'s Creed will have better AI in the 360 because the ps3 cant handle it..random shit like that.
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Mind to explain? Because I had the opposite impression
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Mind to explain? Because I had the opposite impression
Such old news. Ubi\'s statement about the optimizing for Xbox360\'s triple cores had been misinterpreted by press into \'a lesser Ai PS3 version\' ; it has already officially been debunked by Ubi itself.
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That\'s fine if you think that. I did notice the styles were different so it was harder to compare, but I thought Resistance looked nicer.
Yes mm, hokey controllers. ;]
I\'ve never seen resistance in action. Just some videos and screenshots. But resistance looked like it only had really cool guns.
Like..after playing gears of war and rainbow six, i thought the lost planet MP demo was boring as hell because the other 2 set the bar really high. So in terms of gameplay, I think gears of war had the better idea. And in terms of that, it doesnt matter when the game is released since concepts come out way before. The problem is the only really cool, inventive gun in gears of war is the bow and arrow that shoots grenades. The hammer of dawn is really gay IMO.
Mind to explain? Because I had the opposite impression
I dont have sources..I just heard about it. I didnt hear UBI debunk the rumor though. I actually thought i heard it from that chick that introduced the game video at that 360 fiesta thing in an interview. But for all i remember it mightve been a 360 interview and they put a spin on it.
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I did notice the styles were different so it was harder to compare, but I thought Resistance looked nicer.
Like some members have said, why many xbox360 games look better than ps3 is because they are probably ported from 360 to ps3.
I suppose Resistance looks better on ps3 than those games because it wasn\'t ported from a different console. It was built from the ground up for ps3. As whether Resistance looks as good as Gears of War, that\'s debatable. Me personally, I think Gears of War have the graphical advantage there. I think as of right now, the only game that really look as good as Gears of War graphically is Motorstorm which is slated to come out in 2007.
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This reminds me of how the Dreamcast games looked as good or better than PS2\'s launch titles. But a year later, PS2 games became more polished and left DC games in the dust. However, i think DC wasn\'t fully pushed to its limits before the developers dumped it.
I think the same will happen with PS3 and the 360. PS3 will later get better and better games. And if the Xbox history repeats itself, the 360 will become mostly a FPS console while the PS3 will be the all around genre console.
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I think the same will happen with PS3 and the 360. PS3 will later get better and better games. And if the Xbox history repeats itself, the 360 will become mostly a FPS console while the PS3 will be the all around genre console.
pretty true. But, this is the first console that can actually handle good FPS games. I mean, i was a hardcore PC FPS guy..and im actually enjoying GoW (i know its not FPS..same idea), Rainbow Six, Call of duty, then theyve come a long way. So i think ps3 will have the same amount of FPS\'s as xbox. halo series is going to be the one that will make it seem like an FPS console
But by the time, i think, the ps3 will pull ahead, itll be cheaper and ill own one so the point is moot :D..since im the only one that really matters in the scheme of things
in other news..assassin\'s creed got delayed to 2007/2008. Pretty disappointed. Seems like its going to be one of those games that\'s either so huge it takes forever to release, or theyll release it too early and it wont be nearly as good as it should be.
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I\'ve read that gamespot graphics comparsion, how bogus
They criple the PS3 by running it through component/720p instead of HDMI/720p(1080p if available) to \'make it fair\'
A true graphics comparison would be both systems at their max. You don\'t criple one to get a true comparison
Using rushed, ported launch games for comparison is also rediculous
The PS3 cell is complex and takes more time to get the most of then the XBOX 360. Anyone who puts any chips into this \'comparision\' is a fool
Example: I would like to see Madden 08 look better on the 360 with the PS3 version running at 1080p and HDMI. Not going to happen
The true graphics comparison will be when we are able to stack Final Fantasy 13, Gran Turismo 5 and Metal Gear Solid 4 against Halo 3 and Gears of War.
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yes, and how long have we been waiting for those again? You wait for your precious games while the rest has been playing next gen games for over a year now.
seriously, I used to be a sony nut, but it goes only so far.... I\'m not willing to wait 1 year and three months for a ps3 that has yet to even surpass xbox 360 graphically, while I can enjoy next gen gaming now....
All I keep hearing is how great it is gonna be and it probably is, but enough is enough.
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yes, and how long have we been waiting for those again? You wait for your precious games while the rest has been playing next gen games for over a year now.
come on, there is nothing "next gen" beside gears of wars on x360, and its just about a month old now.
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well one thing that i have noticed of sony\'s games (ps2) compared to (xbox) games...i think the movements of the characters in certain games are more lifelike in the sony games,...alot of the games i\'ve seen on the box look great, but some of the movements just looked mechanical,...while gears of war looks good,..some of the videos i\'ve seen of it, at least the physics of it just looks mechanical with no real smooth movements, on the original xbox, i\'ve seen this with jade\'s empire,...both great looking games with mechanical movements.....games from sony\'s camp that look good and play very smoothly,...the first devil may cry, and god of war....i think sony has the edge when it comes to physics....but this is just my simple observation....even "rise to honor" had great physics and smooth gameplay....they could\'ve ditched the sneaking around levels tho....<-----i know it\'s called another term but my mind just went blank...i need to get some sleep....
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come on, there is nothing "next gen" beside gears of wars on x360, and its just about a month old now.
It\'s kind of true, but I found most of my enjoyment with Xbox 360 on Xbox Live playing games like Texas Hold Em.
I loved King Kong, though. And Fight Night Round 3 was a great milestone for boxing games, in my opinion.
To each his own, I suppose.
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come on, there is nothing "next gen" beside gears of wars on x360, and its just about a month old now.
depends how high your expectations are. A lot of people have been like "IF IT DOESNT LOOK LIKE TOY STORY ITS NOT NEXT GEN" expectations. fuck that..nba 2k7, madden needs work (mainly with how players move/react to tackles), burnout looks great, rainbow six looks great, gears of war looks great, theyre all fun games and its only going to look better. When you look at madden 2001 (er whatever rhe first ps2 madden game is) it looks like complete shit compared to madden 2004; and that\'s with a system that can\'t compare to the 360 or ps3.
If most of these people want to fulfill their expectations of what "next gen" is, then they need to cryogenically freeze themselves for the ps4 and xbox 720.
Im not saying to settle with what we have as next gen, but im pretty damn happy with the start of it.
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you are saying exactly what I was saying. X360 is just starting to get "next-gen" games. Gear of wars is imho the true 1st next-gen.. everything else are just Xbox "upgrade".
let me quote Politiepet again
while the rest has been playing next gen games for over a year now.
the next-gen is now, it wasnt a year ago with x360 launch and the averagely better game that what was playable on xbox or ps2
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you are saying exactly what I was saying. X360 is just starting to get "next-gen" games. Gear of wars is imho the true 1st next-gen.. everything else are just Xbox "upgrade".
no..i think more than just gears of war is next gen. Granted i got the 360 only a little over a month ago, but nba 2k6, oblivion, ghost recon, and FN3 were easily next gen, and i think they were launch games (or close to it). I can\'t remember what other games came out before..i didnt think i would get a 360 at the time.
madden 06 even looked pretty damn good for a first go..they just made it a horrible, stripped down game to get it by the launch date.
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yes, and how long have we been waiting for those again? You wait for your precious games while the rest has been playing next gen games for over a year now.
seriously, I used to be a sony nut, but it goes only so far.... I\'m not willing to wait 1 year and three months for a ps3 that has yet to even surpass xbox 360 graphically, while I can enjoy next gen gaming now....
All I keep hearing is how great it is gonna be and it probably is, but enough is enough.
There are other games coming on it soon anyways. Resistance is already out and Motorstorm is due soon. There should be more as well I cant remember of now
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well graphics at this point really aren\'t an issue.... i think we had a pretty good run with last gen....(ps2 & xbox)... these boxes were outperforming what you see in arcade....i remember a time when we all used to wish for "arcade perfect graphics and gameplay"..:p.....and we are waaay beyond that now.....i think it will seriously come down to A.I. and physics this time around....
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found more of this comparison at gamespot...it\'s from the forums and it has the videos of the games in question....maybe you cats can add your input as i can\'t watch these at work.....discuss...:fro:
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25231575&tag=recent_topics;title;2
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i notice no differences but gamma. Except the boxers look better in ps3.
then again the screen is tiny
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man, those video comparisons really does give me a headache. Just watched one and I don\'t feel like watching the rest of other games video comparison anymore. Because the graphic are so close, and the different isn\'t really that big when watch it in motion.
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I don\'t even care everybody has their opinon. When I see people arguing over these console it looks really stupid. Both will end up looking the same in the end. You got bad and you got good looking games. Both consoles will be just abou equally graphically.
Shit Get a Wii then. Nintendo doesn\'t care about graphics
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^^^tru no doubt...i was just in the mall the other day and saw someone playin\' motorstorm...and honestly, the game looks and plays fantastic, i\'ll say it again, graphics are not an issue this time around, it\'s going to come down to who has the best library of games and great physics and A.I.....
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^^^tru no doubt...i was just in the mall the other day and saw someone playin\' motorstorm...and honestly, the game looks and plays fantastic, i\'ll say it again, graphics are not an issue this time around, it\'s going to come down to who has the best library of games and great physics and A.I.....
and seeing as a BUNCH of exclusives are turning into multi-console games...they\'re only getting more similar.
And to me, xbox made the smart move. Getting the GTA series was a huge selling point for me. My gut says sony will pull away, but xbox probably learned from their xbox mistake of having a crappy game selection.
It does look like the ps3\'s exclusives will be a lot better than the 360 ones though..I cant find a solid list of 360 exclusives, but a lot of them just look like shooters while the ps3 has GT, metal gear (both i never got into but..its next gen), 8 days, killzone, probably god of war 4(which should be amazing..but it wont be out for a lonnnnnnngggggg time)
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What bunch of exclusives are you talking about?
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GTA, fatal intertia...i dont know off hand,lol.
i just know that there were exclusives that turned into 360 games that got me to buy it
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GTA, fatal intertia...i dont know off hand,lol.
i just know that there were exclusives that turned into 360 games that got me to buy it
GTA was only a time exclusive for PS3. Fatal Inertia is a new IP. I know people would mention Assasins Creed as well. But these titles were never the ones that made PSs and XBOXs different.
Its games like MGS, Forza, GT, DOA, Tekken, Halo etc that made them different and these still remain exlusives.
Whats more these are way too few compared to this list of PS3, 360 and Wii exclusives
http://www.siliconera.com/index.php/2006/10/18/battle-of-the-console-exclusives/1/
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well, obviously the big ones will never go multiplatform. Has to be something that separates the two, and things microsoft produces wont be on ps3 and vice versa.
Looking at the list, I\'d say its pretty even. With games costing 60 bucks, i wont be buying games at will, and none of those scream at me. Even MGS since i hated all the metal gear games..and i hate splinter cell on console..think my days of new stealth games are numbered till i upgrade my PC.
there\'s also rumors the 360 will get MGS4. Not sure where they sprung up, my friend just told me. Just seems like exclusives are dropping.
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Even MGS since i hated all the metal gear games..and i hate splinter cell on console..think my days of new stealth games are numbered till i upgrade my PC.
there\'s also rumors the 360 will get MGS4. Not sure where they sprung up, my friend just told me. Just seems like exclusives are dropping.
Nope...the rumour has been debunked by Konami itself : http://computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=152210&skip=yes (http://computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=152210&skip=yes)
Why do you dislike stealth games on consoles btw ? Imo, the analogue sticks are what make sneaking moves the smoothest fun instead of WASD. I, myself, don\'t play those games for mouse accuracy shooting. Sneaking first - shooting optional...
Otherwise, try Hitman : Bloodmoney on Xbox360 or PC ; it\'s a great humerous game.
Personally, i think the PS3 will prove itself worthy, 1 to 1,5 years from now and the whole internet community\'s PS3 hate will evaporize.
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i even didnt like the hitman demo..pc and 360. I dont really know why. It\'s a lot easier, to me, to get all the gadgets out with a keyboard for some reason even though there\'s way more buttons. I even found sneaking and moving around way easier because you use the wheel on the mouse to set the speed of your movements and after you get the hang of it its really easy.
cant really pinpoint what i dont like about it. The SP demo also had some major framerate issues that i think found its way into the game (on the new one at least). Maybe if i got used to the controls, just between GoW using A to use cover and Rainbow Six using LT, i kept getting turned around and accidently throwing grenades in splinter cell.
I dont hate the ps3, im going to get one eventually. I just defend the 360 since im having a blast with it. I dont think i owned 6 games with the ps2 this quickly and all 6 of them are fun as hell.
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360 has this:
http://trailers.gametrailers.com/gt_vault/t_assassinscreed_x06_onstagedemo_h264.wmv
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Having finally played Resistance and the Motorstorm demo today...Xbox 360 wins by a considerable margin. Of course, I expect that gap to close quite a bit if not entirely as the PS3 matures.
Save for the bluray player, I can\'t understand why anyone would pay so much for a PS3 right now.
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You played demos and that\'s it? Wow...
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No. I played the game Resistance and the Motorstorm demo (it\'s all that\'s out right now). Mind you, I didn\'t say demos.
Read more carefully next time.
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May I ask....how is it that Motorstorm barely looks as good as the 360? Are you comparing Motorstorm to Gears of War? If so, what is it that makes you think Gears of War seem better? Me personally, having seen all 3 games: Motorstorm, Gears of War, and Resistance in motion. I thought Resistence\'s High Dynamic Range lighting look flat and pale in comparison to Gears of War. Not to mention Gears of War texture looks more define than Resistence in comparison.
But when I tried to compare the graphic quality between GoW and Motorstorm, this is where its get tricky as both look really close to CG quality. If CG quality is consider a 10/10, then Gears of War and Motorstorm should get a 9/10 for me seeing them in motion. Well, maybe Motorstorm seems a little better, as it seems to have a bit more punches than GoW, and the physic in Motorstom seem more fluid than GoW...maybe I should give Motorstorm a 9.2 out of 10 for graphic, but that\'s just me personally.
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comparing a racing game to a shooter is pointless
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True, but Motorstorm seems to have the same quality and type of HDR lighting which we also see in Heavenly Sword footage. Somehow, devs really can get the HDR to shine on PS3 already.
Of course, like Riku says ; to me personally, i wouldn\'t spend money on PS3 atm even if it were available here in PAL land.
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i think sony could have really did better without the blu-ray tech...i could be wrong, but i honestly don\'t see it catching on like that....an upgraded dvd laser would\'ve sufficed,....at least for me....graphics like i stated earlier are not going to be an issue....i look back at some of the games on ps2 that were close or on par graphically with some of xbox\'s nicest looking games. I think god of war could have easily been mistaken for an xbox game....and capcom did an amazing job graphically with res evil 4 on ps2....in the hands of skilled programmers, great looking games can be achieved on any system...
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May I ask....how is it that Motorstorm barely looks as good as the 360? Are you comparing Motorstorm to Gears of War? If so, what is it that makes you think Gears of War seem better? Me personally, having seen all 3 games: Motorstorm, Gears of War, and Resistance in motion. I thought Resistence\'s High Dynamic Range lighting look flat and pale in comparison to Gears of War. Not to mention Gears of War texture looks more define than Resistence in comparison.
But when I tried to compare the graphic quality between GoW and Motorstorm, this is where its get tricky as both look really close to CG quality. If CG quality is consider a 10/10, then Gears of War and Motorstorm should get a 9/10 for me seeing them in motion. Well, maybe Motorstorm seems a little better, as it seems to have a bit more punches than GoW, and the physic in Motorstom seem more fluid than GoW...maybe I should give Motorstorm a 9.2 out of 10 for graphic, but that\'s just me personally.
There isn\'t anything to compare Motorstorm to. I was turned off by the textures, the ground in particular. The static grass (seriously, you just clip right through it), and how slow it all was. Granted, it\'s just a demo and I expect the final product to remedy some of those issues; I\'m just wondering what everyone was raving about.
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There isn\'t anything to compare Motorstorm to. I was turned off by the textures, the ground in particular. The static grass (seriously, you just clip right through it), and how slow it all was. Granted, it\'s just a demo and I expect the final product to remedy some of those issues; I\'m just wondering what everyone was raving about.
The final product is tons better visually. The only annoying part is the grass. Anything else is vastly improved. Its fast, smooth, and textures more detailed especially in newer stages
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I guess it would be more a fair comparison when Motorstorm gets released here, so we can compare it to GoW...
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Why the hell should you compare GoW with Motorstorm?
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i wanted to compare the graphic quality between the two. I just wanted to see which one looks close to CG quality in term of graphic and physic. Since there aren\'t many games out there now that are close to CG quality for either XBOx360 or PS3 yet...except very few one.
And it seems like as of now, GoW is possibly the best looking game for XBOX360, so i want to compare it to ps3 game with great looking graphic and as of now, it seems like motorstorm is a good candidate...
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Did anyone see the demo of Assassin\'s Creed I posted? It\'s quite nice!
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PS3 has it as well. But one thing\'s for sure this doesnt look just "nice". It looks like a breakthrough in gaming. SUperb and promising
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PS3 has it as well. But one thing\'s for sure this doesnt look just "nice". It looks like a breakthrough in gaming. SUperb and promising
Soooo glad the PS3 has it. :) Well...is gonna get it.
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it got delayed to like august-ish 2007 (fiscal year 2007-2008...lovely vague UBI).
I\'m just praying it doesnt turn into one of those games where the ideas are so great that it takes forever to fulfill them; and that they dont release it before it\'s really done
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here\'s another update of this ps3 vs 360 feature...i think it\'s real close, but i feel the 360 still has edge graphic wise...alot has to do with some games bein ports and the artist in question, but i feel the 360 still has a small edge,...i think either 2 or 3 ps3 games look slightly better in this update, but in all honesty you can barely see the difference....both systems are producing some great lookin\' games....
http://www.gamespot.com/features/6171831/index.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=multimodule&tag=multimodule;picks;title;1
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^ From Software isn\'t exactly known for superior ingame graphics, and both their Armored Core 4 versions don\'t even come close tapping the potential of neither PS3 nor XB360.
The state of graphics affairs is imo quite easy to explain ; the Ati Xenos gpu in XB360 is for fact, a superior gpu to PS3\'s RSX.
To get the most out of PS3\'s graphical potential, the RSX and the Cell spe\'s need to work together in harmony :gfight: ....and that\'s ...not so easy yet for alot of devs.
So, we now see most developers just getting very good results quickly on the Xenos chip.