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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: clips on January 16, 2007, 09:36:56 PM
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i just found this letter over at ign....do you think price is starting to be a problem, or is it lack of games? i think it\'s a bit of both....what i do know is that microsoft is doin great things with their system, and everywhere i read developers are lovin\' it, i think they\'ve finally stolen some of sony\'s thunder...read...
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I work at Gamestop. In the past two weeks we have seen a steady shipment of PS3\'s in small quantities. First it was three. Those didn\'t sell so a few days later it turned into seven. A week and a half later we have over 20 PS3\'s in our back room that we just can\'t get rid of. We even changed our phone greeting to let people know about our 12,000 paperweights. No one wants them, and with good reason in my opinion. Just to let you know that the "rumors" flying around the internet are indeed true. Thanks.
-- Reid
$600 for a new gaming machine is a lot to ask, especially when there\'s only one great exclusive game on the system. Sales will almost certainly pick up in the Spring when more exclusive and promising games start to hit the system.
Or maybe not.
-- Chris
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it\'s the lack of games. Why pay 600 bucks for a console when you can get exactly that with a cheaper console (the 360).
Right now..the ps3 has nothing to offer that makes it worth the extra money. Who knows where the blu ray technology will lead them..if it makes for huge games that the 360 needs 2 cd\'s to run, then it has a huge advantage and is worth the extra money. But thats going to be a while and might not even be until theres a price drop.
At least thats my plan of buying one :D
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thoughts?
i think these douche bags that are complaining about the cost are the same that drop 3k$ into a PC that will do 117 fps instead of 114.
or $2K into their shitty car\'s stereo system so their boyfriends will hear them coming from around the corner.
that dude works at gamestop, he already loses.
all this "lolerz, teh sony is doomed!!!11" nonsense is ridiculous.
stfu, and move on already.
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thoughts?
i think these douche bags that are complaining about the cost are the same that drop 3k$ into a PC that will do 117 fps instead of 114.
or $2K into their shitty car\'s stereo system so their boyfriends will hear them coming from around the corner.
that dude works at gamestop, he already loses.
all this "lolerz, teh sony is doomed!!!11" nonsense is ridiculous.
stfu, and move on already.
People, for the most part, expect to pay a lot for a PC so I think the analogy is a bit off. I\'ve been in Best Buy the last two Saturdays and the pile of PS3s keeps on getting bigger.
I\'m waiting until Motostorm arrives and then I\'ll buy one. At least I\'ll have no problem finding one. :)
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people expect to pay alot for anything.
it\'s expected value.
you get one hell of a machine for 600$, whether the devs can take advantage of it graphically is not the PS3\'s fault.
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games certainly is the current problem. There is no killer app that scream "must have".
Also, when people get more linux distros and apps "PS3 ready" people will find out they can do everything they want, from music and video to emulator, the need for PS3 will be more visible.
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people expect to pay alot for anything.
it\'s expected value.
you get one hell of a machine for 600$, whether the devs can take advantage of it graphically is not the PS3\'s fault.
I agree you get a lot for 600 but I like many others don\'t care to bundle my game system with a high end disk format. I\'ll by my own BR player etc. Sony would have been far better off thinking of games and not trying to get BR players into homes through the back door.
By the way, I just got back from Target and saw several PS3s sitting in the case and asked the clerk there about sales. Not really moving like they thought they would.
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as of now, do not buy a standalone Blu-Ray player. Early comparison reviews still have PS3 winning from audio quality and price. Also, PS3 has beaten out Samsung\'s visuals but not so against the Panasonic. I have a thread at the Main Forum. Thankfully, Titan hasn\'t trolled that one yet.
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Saw a couple PS3\'s out on a table by the entrance when you walk into our local Best Buy.
Who knows how long they\'re there for, though.
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PS3 is off to a better start then the Xbox 360 so I dont know how you can say it is doomed already
Nearly 1 million PS3 units sold after 2 months. After the launch of what, 500,000 Xbox 360s last November there wasnt anymore 360s in the stores until sometime in February, and when the arrived they looked like, at least to me, that they werent selling.
Sony and any reasonable person knows that within the next 10 years everyone who was a fan of PS2 will eventually buy PS3. The sells will be steady over the years.
It\'s kind of unrealistic to expect PS3s to fly off the shelves 2 months after launch.
The game software is a problem, there isn\'t any good games out right now, unless you are a diehard football fan or if you like shoot\'em ups.
But late February and the beginning of March PS3 will get Oblivian IV, Motorstorm, and Heavenly Sword. 3 AAA games
As for me I\'m waiting for Superman Returns on blu-ray to come in the mail. I\'m also keeping myself entertained by downloading videos onto the PS3, viewing photos on the big screen, and playing all the demos available online for download. The PS3 is a multimedia beast. I hardly touch my PC anymore :D
oh and gamespot sucks. charging $40 for blu ray movies? even old movies like the Fith Element?!
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It\'s kind of unrealistic to expect PS3s to fly off the shelves 2 months after launch.
Why?
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I\'ve never seen it happen with any console, I\'m not shocked it doesnt happen with a $500 one either
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Sony and any reasonable person knows that within the next 10 years everyone who was a fan of PS2 will eventually buy PS3.
I\'m not sure it\'s correct to make that assumption. I already own an Xbox 360, and I have not bought a PS3. I have no plans to buy one.
I am one of those people who can afford to own several platforms in order to enjoy the exclusive titles from each manufacturer. However, when then entry price is $600, that really makes me think twice. I wonder why I should bother to buy that console just to play a couple games that will not be released on the 360. To buy a PS3 would feel very wasteful to me.
I think Sony really crippled their competitiveness with the price of the PS3. They should have reconsidered adding all the extra features that boosted the manufacturing cost.
That\'s just my opinion, coming from an individual who should have been an easy sale for Sony.
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I think Sony really crippled their competitiveness with the price of the PS3. They should have reconsidered adding all the extra features that boosted the manufacturing cost.
That\'s just my opinion, coming from an individual who should have been an easy sale for Sony.
Right on target.
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Couldn\'t have said it any better myself Cored. I went from someone that owned and loved my PSOne and PS2, to someone that probably won\'t ever buy a PS3. I never would have believed this 2 years ago.
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What features do they have that you would get rid of to bring down the cost?
And don\'t say Blue Ray because that is by far the cheapest bargain for a blue ray player on the market.
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What features do they have that you would get rid of to bring down the cost?
And don\'t say Blue Ray because that is by far the cheapest bargain for a blue ray player on the market.
Blue Ray. ;)
The point being making a game machine should have been the biggest concern not movie playback.
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Yes, I think it\'s fair to say that the Blue Ray feature shouldn\'t have been included. That is certainly the main item increasing the cost and delaying the launch. It doesn\'t matter that the PS3 is the most affordable BR player right now. That won\'t be the case one year from now. The BR standard hasn\'t been well adopted yet, and it\'s not a "must have" feature for most consumers. They are forcing their customers to swallow a higher price for a feature many of them don\'t care about. They should have focused on consolidating their position on their core business - video games.
Also, they could have unbundled the 802.11 wifi support, and gone with a smaller universal hard drive. I think the Microsoft approach is superior; their cheaper model can be upgraded to the same specs as the more expensive model with add-on peripherals.
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I like shiny, expensive, powerful, feature-filled equipment. Sony hit a homerun with me.
I know I\'m in the minority but I\'m not too concerned. I got my Resistance, blu-ray, and will soon be enjoying tekken DR on the big screen. It\'s a shame Sony couldn\'t find a way to make a $399 model to get more marketshare but I\'ll be enjoying the PS3 regardless.
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It doesn\'t matter that the PS3 is the most affordable BR player right now. That won\'t be the case one year from now. The BR standard hasn\'t been well adopted yet, and it\'s not a "must have" feature for most consumers. They are forcing their customers to swallow a higher price for a feature many of them don\'t care about. They should have focused on consolidating their position on their core business - video games.
I am actually one of those people that are really happy that sony included the Blu Ray drive for the PS3. Some games can really use that extra storage. And by the time you know it, in the upcoming 3 or 4 years, many games will really take advantage of that extra space.
By the time Blu Ray Players are getting cheaper, so would PS3. So, its all good to me. And don\'t forget that PS3 is the world first Blu Ray player that have HDMI v1.3 connection while other blu ray players in the market right now only have HDMI v1.2. The benefits of HDMI v.13 are many...such as deep color, can stream lossless audio codecs from dolby and dts...
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I am actually one of those people that are really happy that sony included the Blu Ray drive for the PS3. Some games can really use that extra storage. And by the time you know it, in the upcoming 3 or 4 years, many games will really take advantage of that extra space.
By the time Blu Ray Players are getting cheaper, so would PS3. So, its all good to me. And don\'t forget that PS3 is the world first Blu Ray player that have HDMI v1.3 connection while other blu ray players in the market right now only have HDMI v1.2. The benefits of HDMI v.13 are many...such as deep color, can stream lossless audio codecs from dolby and dts...
I don\'t follow every post around here, so I don\'t remember... did you buy a PS3, Paul?
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not yet. Like some of you, I am waiting for the price drop this time around.
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Man 400 is too much for console and 600 is just crazy. There has to be a huge leap to just warrant going out and buying just because. And you can get the same graphics on a cheaper xbox 360.
I like having an all in one device sometimes. Watching a dvd on my system is sometimes is easy. But the BR argument makes no sense to me yet. I don\'t see were there has been a huge turn around for BR movies. I don\'t think people care all that much. I know earlier adapters and tech heads are exicted about BR technology.
But for the most part who else cares. They should have just added the blueray player as an add-on. With it being their technology and trying to push the format noway that was going to happen.
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Man 400 is too much for console and 600 is just crazy
you\'re a cheap fool. A lot of people think PS3 would cost 200$ without the BR player, well it\'s all lies. There\'s other things, such as 256 megs ram of DDR2, a 60 gig HD, a processor that sony imb and thosiba all spent 5 billions in R&D.
The BR cost nothing to Sony IF they succeed in making it the "next" format.
When hot games such as GT and FF or GTA start to hit the shelves, people will buy the PS3 regardless of the price.
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Thankfully, Titan hasn\'t trolled that one yet.
Sounds like a challenge ;)
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Also, they could have unbundled the 802.11 wifi support, and gone with a smaller universal hard drive. I think the Microsoft approach is superior; their cheaper model can be upgraded to the same specs as the more expensive model with add-on peripherals.
Yeah but if you have to upgrade a 400 dollar console with a hard drive, wifi, etc, you are still eventually paying close to 600, especially for a hard drive with high capacity. I\'d rather pay 600 and just have it all done and over with and not have to worry about upgrading.
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When hot games such as GT and FF or GTA start to hit the shelves, people will buy the PS3 regardless of the price.
I disagree. I predict that unless Sony reduces the price of the PS3 before those titles arrive, those releases won\'t make a big enough difference to enable Sony to maintain their previous market share.
There IS a price ceiling beyond which consumers will not purchase the product. If the product is unique and has little competition, the ceiling can be very high. This assumes that the uniqueness (Blue Ray, for example) is something the consumer values. I think at this time it isn\'t
However, in the current market, the price ceiling is lower because of competition from the Xbox360 and Wii. If another product offers 70%-80% of the functionality for a substantially lower price, then that is a competitive weakness for Sony.
Sony is further hindered by the X360 having captured market share for one full year before the PS3 launch. How can a consumer like myself justify paying $600 for a PS3, when I already own an Xbox360? One or two exclusive titles is not a good enough reason.
I think Sony did not produce a product different enough and better enough than the Xbox360 to warrant the increased price.
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yea, i have owned a ps1 and a ps2, and i never ever thought of buying a xbox, but one came into work cheap, and i thought i would give it a try, i also bought a cheap gamecube second had, had a few games...
but more to the point im more than happy with my xbox 360, and cant even think of buying a ps3, i mean even with a price drop, and it being second hand, i cant ever imagion it being that cheap.
ive not seen enough games to make me think of buying a ps3, and there is still that hope that after a while they will coe out onthe 360
the only game i will mis is mgs, but like i said, im hoping thy put it on the 360
i have no want for a blueray or hd player, dvds look fine to me on my hd tv.... and there isnt a film i can think of that i would wanna spend extra money on, compared to a dvd.
most films i like are not big special effects type movies, so i have no real need for seeing super images, i mean dvd is more than good enough!
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The fact is 600 is to much for a game machine. I\'ll buy one but that\'s because I like new tech even if it\'s too expensive for its own good.
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even when the price drop happens, it\'s not going to be that significant,...sony will only drop the price by what? 30 bucks at the most? $570.00...looks like i\'ll be waiting for two price drops,...the ps2 isn\'t even $99.00 yet...that is crazy....when ps3 came out, it should\'ve almost immediately dropped to $99.00 bucks.
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Sony is further hindered by the X360 having captured market share for one full year before the PS3 launch.
and what are the number of x360 worldwide so far? just shy over 10 million. Same deal with dreamcast when Sony launch the PS2 at double price, without much more to offer than a slight graphical upgrade... and a suck launch game lineup.
How can a consumer like myself justify paying $600 for a PS3, when I already own an Xbox360? One or two exclusive titles is not a good enough reason.
Not everyone own a x360. You seems to base all your facts around your current situation. Market ceiling is also different per place. Different demographic zone buy differently.
The price difference between the x360 and PS3 is currently justifiable. The difference is the game lineup, which provide no reason to buy a PS3 at the current time.
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I dont know why people judge the PS3 so badly. Look at 360. Most of its best games are PC ports, multiplatform games bound for the PS3, and hell I ve said it a ton of times in these forums before but a huge deal of them are sports and first person shooters. If I wanted PC games I would have paid a great deal for an extremely powerful PC
Currently the only real 360 game out there deserving is Gears of War. And I ll finally get a 360 with it.
The PS3 was just launched. It may be pricy, but in march when it will be available and a couble of months later unique games like motorstorm and heavenly sword will be available. There is no game on 360 like Heavenly Sword and there is no racing on the 360 like motorstorm.
And although VF5 is 360 bound it will be available on PS3 by then. A fighting game, which literally obliterates DOA4. Also some top 360 games will be available as well like Rainbow Six and FEAR.
Even further I can get Tekken:DR for low cost and download GT:HD for free. I ll also be able to download Linux for free.
PS3 may have had an ugly launch, but 4 months later it has more games and content than what 360 had 4 months after it\'s own launch.
PS3 will cost at around 350CY pounds in Cyprus, expected price for the 60GB version, with which I get through downloading free Linux, a free short GT:HD game + BD functionality. 360 is available currently as a premium costing 280CY pounds with Gears of War. Getting a 360 premium with no game will cost me 240CY pounds. Still I can get a PS3 with all these at approximately 100 more
Add the forthcoming PS3 games like FF13, MGS4, Warhawk, GT5 and more and the price is even more justified for me
Both sound great. I will eventually get both unless the PS3 loses some major exclusives. But it had lost none so far except from VF5
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I just find it funny that you kids whine about the price of the PS3, but you don\'t complain about the price of your computers. The only difference between a PS3 and a 2500 dollar computer is that you can\'t write a term paper on a PS3.
Two things keeping me from buying one now. The games on it now I\'m not interested in and I have no time to even use it till I finish my house.
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The only difference between a PS3 and a 2500 dollar computer is that you can\'t write a term paper on a PS3.
Actually I think you can...download Linux yellow dog (3GB), burn it to a DVD-R and install it on the PS3. If Linux has some sort of word pad and the ability to install a printer, then there you go
The fact is 600 is to much for a game machine.
The Nintendo Wii is a game machine. Suitably priced at $250
The PS3 is a multimedia entertainment system which has myriads more functions then a simple game machine. That why it is priced above game machines like the Wii.
And if you are not interested in the multimedia functions of the PS3 there is always the $500 version. Keep in mind the Wii has is priced at $250 for a reason. A much weaker processor and graphics card is one of them.
Heres a quick rant about the Wii. I played the Wii and it isn\'t for serious gamers. Alot of it is tuned toward casual gamers who
stupid ps3 message thing erased all
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^^^ahhh... and here comes clowd to give me back my reassurance in sony...*jumps back on sony bandwagon* :boat:..so uhm f**k xbox, yea...screw them!..:D..seriously tho, it\'s true that both sony and ms are shootin\' for the older crowd, who can most likely afford it, me myself i can afford it, but it\'s really hard to put out $600 bucks for what i still consider to be at the end of the day....a video game console...that\'s just me tho, i know i\'ll eventually get one, but i\'ll most likely wait for a drop....even when the triple A games start to mount, i\'ll still likely just wait,...i\'m not in no rush for any of the next gen- systems.
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Yes I know the PS3 is packed with features but price is important when you talk about a machine that primarily plays games. I doubt very much mommy or daddy who wants to get their whining little pain in the ass a PS3 cares about BR etc. That all being said I still want one and will get one at the end of Feb. :D
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With games costing $59.00 each, there are only a limited number that I\'m going to buy each year. I just don\'t want to divert a sizable portion of my income to video games. I have other things in my life to spend money on... like my car. I\'m sure you know how expensive that can be. :)
I believe that I can find more than enough AAA $59.00 games on the XBox platform to satisfy my annual quota. I don\'t need to buy a $600 console just for the priviledge of splitting my game budget between microsoft & sony.
As always, this is my perspective ONLY. However, I think others might be in the same situation. Microsoft got my business first because they got to the market first. When the prices get to this level, I can\'t justify buying into every platform just because something new comes along.
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Who gives a fuck about all those features when the console is priced out your reach? That makes no sense at all. I would rather have a gaming machine that just plays nothing but video games and cost $299 then not be able to splurge 600 on a all in one media device.
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I just find it funny that you kids whine about the price of the PS3, but you don\'t complain about the price of your computers. The only difference between a PS3 and a 2500 dollar computer is that you can\'t write a term paper on a PS3.
Two things keeping me from buying one now. The games on it now I\'m not interested in and I have no time to even use it till I finish my house.
Unfortunately the PS3 and Xbox have yet to master the ability to use photoshop or Maya. But I guess I\'m the exception to the rule when it comes to PC usage.
With that said, I don\'t own a console outside of the PS2 and probably won\'t own a current gen console for another year or so. I can\'t justify buying a console when I have a 2500 laptop sitting at my desk.
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You guys need better jobs. :p
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Also some top 360 games will be available as well like Rainbow Six and FEAR.
*sigh* FEAR was released on PC long before 360 dumb dumb ;)
I see what you are saying in the rest of your post though.
I think price drops will start to happen as the technology gets cheaper and newer, cheaper manufacturing techniques happen. Everything in PS3 is new so I see why it can be expensive to manufacture. As the technology is more widespread, I think the price will drop a lot.
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yeah, as the yield in production increases, and as technology advances, the price gets cheaper to manufacture.
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The PS3 is a multimedia entertainment system
Do not want.
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*sigh* FEAR was released on PC long before 360 dumb dumb ;)
I see what you are saying in the rest of your post though.
I think price drops will start to happen as the technology gets cheaper and newer, cheaper manufacturing techniques happen. Everything in PS3 is new so I see why it can be expensive to manufacture. As the technology is more widespread, I think the price will drop a lot.
What gave the impression I didnt know FEAR wasnt released on PC long before? :confused:
I considered it irrelevant
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I want a new computer.
That\'s really all I have to add to this thread.
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What gave the impression I didnt know FEAR wasnt released on PC long before? :confused:
I considered it irrelevant
But you were talking as if it were an Xbox exclusive.
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Actually I was refering to it as the 360 being the only console that has it with FEAR being one of the top scored games for it.
Also if you check the very top paragraph here is what I said ;)
I dont know why people judge the PS3 so badly. Look at 360. Most of its best games are PC ports, multiplatform games bound for the PS3, and hell I ve said it a ton of times in these forums before but a huge deal of them are sports and first person shooters. If I wanted PC games I would have paid a great deal for an extremely powerful PC
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You guys need better jobs. :p
I have a good job but just can\'t see spending so much on a console. I want to get one now and took a look at ps3 and 360 and just decided to wait on both. 360 is the logical choice now it\'s cheaper. But I do want the ps3 but just can\'t fork over the cash for it. So I will probably end up with the 360.
I don\'t see the ps3 having a decent price for 2years if that. Look how long it took for the ps3 to drop to $199.
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it\'s not the price, it\'s the lack of killer apps.
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March will be Sony\'s month. Bout fuckin\' time. And by then, I\'ll have a 1080p LCD for the PS3 to play with. Thank you Tax Refund!
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I dont see why everyone thinks the PS3 is so expensive compared to the 360. It is only $100 more then the 360
(At least my) Gamestop will give you that $100 towards a PS3 if you trade in your old PS2, a memory card and controller. So it is now possible at (at least my) Gamestop to get a 20GB PS3 for the same price as the Xbox 360
360 (20 GB): $400
PS3 (20 GB): $400 after trade in at gamestop
March seems so far away...this is a terrible gaming drought, for both PS2 and PS3
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don\'t forget
360 (20 GB) without next-gen media player: $400
PS3 (20 GB) with next-gen media player: $400 after trade in at gamestop
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That\'s not equivalent. What happens to the prices when you trade in an old Xbox for the 360? Just saying...
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anyone accepting xbox trade-ins?
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in other news..
UT 2007 isn\'t ps3 (and pc) exclusive anymore. Going to be on 360 too
add one more to the list of lost ps3 exclusives
and i thought gamestop/eb gave 100 bucks er so for xbox trade in towards 360 purchases. Unless that was just a few months ago and they stopped doing that. My damn brother still hasnt sold his xbox..no matter how many times i tell him to
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Score yet another shoot\'em up for 360
I expect PS3 to lose \'exclusives\' until it gets close to and surpasses 360 hardware sales. No reason to release a game only on a platform with a userbase of 1-2 million when there is another platform, 360 that has a user base of 10 million, most of which like shoot\'em ups
As long as Sony keeps the three headed monster of FF13, MGS4 and GT5 exclusive they will be fine.
As good as UT2007 maybe, I doubt people buy consoles to play it when it is probably much better on the PC (mouse, better multiplayer) anyway
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ps3 is losing the console wars LMAO
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Score yet another shoot\'em up for 360
I expect PS3 to lose \'exclusives\' until it gets close to and surpasses 360 hardware sales. No reason to release a game only on a platform with a userbase of 1-2 million when there is another platform, 360 that has a user base of 10 million, most of which like shoot\'em ups
As long as Sony keeps the three headed monster of FF13, MGS4 and GT5 exclusive they will be fine.
As good as UT2007 maybe, I doubt people buy consoles to play it when it is probably much better on the PC (mouse, better multiplayer) anyway
you really want ps3 to monopolize,lol. It\'s not like the ps3 doesnt get UT2007 now..now more people get to play the game. The more lost exclusives (on both sides) the better...the only reason ps3 won\'t give up those main 3 is because MS produces (most of) the big 360 exclusive games so there isnt a chance in hell that those will go cross-platform.
and both sides are going to have a bunch of shoot \'em ups. Its the first set of consoles that can actually make a good shooting game, so obviously theyre taking that to their advantage. Before the console shooters were shit compared to pc..now the only difference is the mouse and keyboard..and the shitty console community
but as much as you dont want to admit it..it\'s not good business to lose exclusives. And from what i\'ve seen in a few articles about it is that sony was playing the waiting game with several producers and eventually they just lost the patience and talked to MS who obviously has the money for fork out. Now a door is open that was shut and killed the xbox (game selection)
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in other news..
UT 2007 isn\'t ps3 (and pc) exclusive anymore. Going to be on 360 too
add one more to the list of lost ps3 exclusives
and i thought gamestop/eb gave 100 bucks er so for xbox trade in towards 360 purchases. Unless that was just a few months ago and they stopped doing that. My damn brother still hasnt sold his xbox..no matter how many times i tell him to
I never remembered UT being confirmed as a PS3 exclusive.
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it was a "we have no plans to be on 360" kind of things like a few other games
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I dont see why everyone thinks the PS3 is so expensive compared to the 360. It is only $100 more then the 360
(At least my) Gamestop will give you that $100 towards a PS3 if you trade in your old PS2, a memory card and controller. So it is now possible at (at least my) Gamestop to get a 20GB PS3 for the same price as the Xbox 360
360 (20 GB): $400
PS3 (20 GB): $400 after trade in at gamestop
March seems so far away...this is a terrible gaming drought, for both PS2 and PS3
Yeah right nobody wants the 20gig ps3. Come on now don\'t campare core ps3 to permium 360. When there are quality games to support the huge price it will sell. Like MM said no games warrant such a price. I don\'t thnk games will warrant the price for a while
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I would like to know what the Premium 360 has that the PS3 core doesnt hardware wise, but if you insist
$400 360 premium
$500 PS3 premium after trade in
$100 more and you get next gen blu-ray, 40 more GBs, built in WIFI, and FREE online play
How much does it cost to upgrade the premium 360 to the level of the $100 more premium PS3?
$200 HD-DVD drive
$40 40 GBS
$100 WIFI
$50 XBOX Live
= $390 To upgrade to PS3 premium level
So,
PS3 Premium $500
XBOX 360 (with everything PS3 Hardware has) $790
But you are right, there are no quality games right now and most people will avoid one until the good games start to roll in beginning in March
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I am just avoiding one ATM cause I am stuck with a 27\'\' CTR. With the baby comming out in afew weeks, my project for a new HDTV will be delayed again for another year.
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I would like to know what the Premium 360 has that the PS3 core doesnt hardware wise, but if you insist
$400 360 premium
$500 PS3 premium after trade in
$100 more and you get next gen blu-ray, 40 more GBs, built in WIFI, and FREE online play
How much does it cost to upgrade the premium 360 to the level of the $100 more premium PS3?
$200 HD-DVD drive
$40 40 GBS
$100 WIFI
$50 XBOX Live
= $390 To upgrade to PS3 premium level
So,
PS3 Premium $500
XBOX 360 (with everything PS3 Hardware has) $790
But you are right, there are no quality games right now and most people will avoid one until the good games start to roll in beginning in March
Well I have nothing to trade in so the system is still a $600 price tag for me. I just got a nice tax check and was pondering getting one but choked while I was in gamestop and just decided I would wait.