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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: clips on February 01, 2007, 05:01:19 AM
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Now before i get into this,...let me just say that i got luv for my latino peeps, but reading this story is just crazy, it\'s about the national guard and border patrol. Long story short...the national guard encounters some illegals on their way back to mexico, wearing automatic weapons and bullet proof vests and ski masks, and the national guard retreats without firing a single shot....agh this article states that the nationality of the perps were unclear. anyway i heard on the news that they were wearing ski masks, so before i ASSume they were latino, i\'ll take that back. Point is tho why have the guard down there if they are just going to do nothing or retreat when confronted?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070131/ap_on_re_us/border_soldiers;_ylt=Al1wj7BT.x9ZWTl_fzmN9pBH2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MjBwMWtkBHNlYwM3MTg-
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from what i read, their hands are tied. They can\'t do anything until they get the clear to do so.
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Yup..they are just a "show" of force. The idea was something along the lines of more visible bodies with weapons would deter....
It\'s only a matter of time until all of the mexicans figure it out.
For the record...if they all ahd masks, body armour and automatic weapons..Im guessing drug smuggling if anything.
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My dad has some ties to the Guard on the border and he says that they can\'t do anything. They aren\'t allowed to fire unless they get fired at. My personal opinion is they should be given LTL (less than lethal) weapons, make them look like real weapons and get them down some way without killing them. I\'ve looked at some of the weapons online and shit, and they have some crazy weapons out htere that do the job and don\'t kill.
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Actually, this is more crazy:
http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-01-18-voa2.cfm
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That\'s messed up. There\'s one less drug smuggler. Who cares. This country is messed up. When a criminal can put law officers in jail when the criminal is doing something illegal, thats when its time to change something.
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That\'s messed up. There\'s one less drug smuggler. Who cares. This country is messed up. When a criminal can put law officers in jail when the criminal is doing something illegal, thats when its time to change something.
Oh but that article left out the best part. The drug smuggler is now suing the US Government for $5 million... for getting shot in the ass.
There is also this case which is even more absurd:
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20070202-124744-1388r_page2.htm
Jerry Seper, Washington Times
February 2, 2007
(Excerpt)
A Texas deputy sheriff who fired shots at a fleeing vehicle after the driver tried to run him down faces 10 years in prison for injuring one of the passengers, a Mexican national being smuggled illegally into the United States.
The U.S. attorney, who won lengthy prison terms last year for two U.S. Border Patrol agents in the shooting of a drug-smuggling suspect, also prosecuted Edwards County Deputy Sheriff Guillermo F. Hernandez, who is to be sentenced next month.
The deputy\'s boss, Sheriff Donald G. Letsinger, said his officer -- who had been on the job for a year -- "followed the letter of the law" in defending himself in the April 2005 incident and questioned why the government brought charges.
"This is a fine young man, and I just don\'t believe he committed the wrong of which he was accused," Sheriff Letsinger said. "I have never had anything hurt me so badly as this prosecution. We\'ve got to make this right."
Rep. Ted Poe, Texas Republican, called the prosecution and conviction of Hernandez, known to his friends as "Gilmer," "another example of how the federal government is more concerned about people [who are] illegally invading America than it is about the men who protect America."
"Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war," Mr. Poe said.
The deputy\'s Dec. 1 conviction has enraged his hometown of Rocksprings, Texas, population 1,250, where "Free Gilmer" signs have been posted. The Baptist church is paying the deputy\'s mortgage and others have come up with costs for the family\'s truck, propane and water bills.
Hernandez, 25, and his wife, Ashley, have a 4-month-old daughter.
"The town is outraged that this has happened to our deputy," said the Rev. Albert Green, pastor at the First Baptist Church. "Those people were in this country illegally, and they tried to run him down. They were the criminals, but the prosecutors made our deputy out to be the criminal.
"I do not know a single person who doesn\'t feel Gilmer was prosecuted for doing his job," said Mr. Green, who is the deputy\'s pastor. "I do not know a finer, more well-behaved gentleman. He would not purposely or willfully hurt anyone."
U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, appointed in October 2001 by President Bush, said Hernandez fired shots at the vehicle as it sped away "knowing it was occupied with the nine individuals," at least seven of whom were illegal aliens -- some of whom later were called to testify for the government.
Hernandez was convicted after a jury trial in U.S. District Court in Del Rio, Texas, 75 miles southwest of Rocksprings -- found guilty of violating "under the color of law" the civil rights of Maricela Rodriguez-Garcia, a Mexican national.
The woman was struck in the lip by bullet or other metal fragments after an 11:50 p.m. traffic stop in Rocksprings in April 2005. Reports said Hernandez fired shots at the blue Chevrolet Suburban\'s rear tires as it sped off after being stopped for running a red light.
Acquitted on a second count regarding injury to another passenger, he will be sentenced March 12 at the Del Rio court.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Bill Baumann, who prosecuted the case, told reporters that the law does not give law-enforcement officers the right to use "deadly force to stop a car unless it poses an imminent threat to the officer or another person. If the car is going away from you, it\'s not even a close call."
Mr. Sutton\'s office convicted Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos, 37, and Jose Alonso Compean, 28, on charges of causing serious bodily injury, assault with a deadly weapon, discharge of a firearm in a crime of violence and a civil rights violation. They were sentenced to 11 and 12 years, respectively.
Shana Jones, spokeswoman for Mr. Sutton, did not return calls for comment yesterday...
This is the same guy Bush appointed who prosecuted the 2 border agents. What is Bush doing about this? Nothing - he is too chicken shit that he might offend our neighbors to the south.
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Giga, all I can say is that is absurd.
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After hearing from a certain someone that he has seen a list which under his great surprise in it showed that almost every latin-american politician was a secret CIA agent and that CIA does drug smuggling in latin-american areas perhaps this isnt that strange (the last I got it from a different source).
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After hearing from a certain someone that he has seen a list which under his great surprise in it showed that almost every latin-american politician was a secret CIA agent and that CIA does drug smuggling in latin-american areas perhaps this isnt that strange.
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1)almost all Latin American leaders/politicians were secret CIA agents
2)CIA does drug smuggling
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1)almost all Latin American leaders/politicians were secret CIA agents
2)CIA does drug smuggling
And what conspiracy theory website or drug trip did you deduce this from?
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None. I ve heard it directly out of a proffessor\'s mouth whose sources arent "the internet or drug trip".
Besides, its funny that you believe stranger happenings posted in this very thread (Hello internet/websites) but the last sound stranger and unbelievable to you?
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None. I ve heard it directly out of a proffessor\'s mouth.
Besides, its funny that you believe stranger happenings posted in this very thread (Hello internet/websites) but the last sound stranger and unbelievable to you?
Wow, just because a professor says it, it has to be true. I have had such crazy professors that said off the wall things. I had one talk about his out of body experiences. If you can get a masters degree, you can be a professor. If you have enough motivation, anyone can get a masters degree. I don\'t believe either of what you said. I seriously think I got dumber reading it. I\'m being totally seriously now. You\'re posts are not making any logical sense and what you are saying are seriously the stupidest things I\'ve read on this board.
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Also the name Gary Webb should be very helpful if you find the appropriate sources about his discovery and his assasination in 2004 which was made to look like a suicide. I happened to see his very last interview before he died
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i have no doubt the CIA right now is with drug smuggling. Best way to know what theyre doing is to join them and maybe theyll find the right time to strike. Dont want to blow their cover and stop some small drug traffic chain that doesnt mean anything in the long run. (would just make the drug dealers more savy to what we do)
but to say that all/most of the political leaders in latin america are CIA is a little off the wall..and by \'little\' i mean \'way\'
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Also unlike YOUR country our university do not hire proffessors with a masters degree (PhD is the minimum)
I\'m pretty sure the minimum requirement here is also a PhD.
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Its not my fault if Titan gave the wrong impression
i have no doubt the CIA right now is with drug smuggling. Best way to know what theyre doing is to join them and maybe theyll find the right time to strike. Dont want to blow their cover and stop some small drug traffic chain that doesnt mean anything in the long run. (would just make the drug dealers more savy to what we do)
but to say that all/most of the political leaders in latin america are CIA is a little off the wall..and by \'little\' i mean \'way\'
There are many things we may not know about that may seem like a "little off the wall" if they ever get revealed. Do you think every bit of those we do not know about will be believed if they ever come to the surface?
Just as surprised as you are now reading this, I was as well when I ve heard this and just as surprised was the person who saw it. And that person isnt the kind that throws gibberish. Otherwise his career would have been limited to teaching.
I was even more surprised learning how increasingly powerful CIA was during the Cold War era. Surprising and unbelievable were the projects, and operations of the KGB. Even more unbelievable was the outlandish but unexpectedly effective Nazi propaganda. It would have sounded utopian if we didnt have masses of people seeing this with their own eyes, where mysticism and mythology became tools of false belief. Even crazier were the operations, and secret plans of the Nazi "empire". Irrationality replaces rationality completely.
And the most recent example of this irrationality is the Iraq War itself, backed up by arguements by the government that sounded rational and real to the US citizens (perhaps including you as well back then) but completely crazy and unspeakable by those who had knowledge of what was actually going on in middle east, how these people in the east thought and the lies that covered other "unbelievable" motives many in the US considered "exagerating parania". Yet those who warned were mocked for being "propagandized" or called "stupid" by the west.
Which shows how subjective someone\'s impression of "way/little off the wall" may be according to the backround in which he grows in.
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Hey. I was just saying I didn\'t believe what you said. You said the professor said that the CIA is involved in drug smuggling and that all latin politicians are involved in the CIA. I\'m taking your words literally.
1)almost all Latin American leaders/politicians were secret CIA agents
2)CIA does drug smuggling
Your words. I\'m taking what you say completely literally and I don\'t believe a word. I don\'t care how much credit this guy is given, I still think its bullshit.
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so are you saying that the CIA is doing it for their own profit/personal gain?
if you believe that then join the herd of sheep
and im not "surprised." I said i expect the CIA to be somewhere with the drug smugglers doing what the CIA does and has been doing for a long ass time. And im not surprised that theyre the majority of the latin american politicians since i highly doubt that.
And your comparisons don\'t fit. Especially the nazi propoganda.
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a phd in one subject does not mean he\'s knowledgeable in another
My co-worker has 2 masters but can\'t even put my suppository in correctly, I have to ask the Janitor who doesn\'t even have a degree.
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On another note Bin Laden has the power to have Al Qaeda members trained to be pilots, who will know the ins and outs of a passenger plane, get in without being suspected of their plans, master a super grand scheme, confuse the airforce and the control tower and be able with just a knife (or a gun no one noticed at the check up?) to take over and try to crash them to the twin towers, the pentagon and the white house.......Sounds like a Hollywood movie
Before 2001 this would have been the stupidest thing ever if someone said
"hey Bin will make you shit in your pants and he can do this". Come on get real. How can a peasant who cant even dress well and doesnt have enough arm power be able to do such a thing.
After the 9/11 attack happens and everything (and when I say everything I mean EVREYTHING) said is believed about the great Islam "terrorists".
And now this thing about CIA (more organised, more advanced more powerfull than Al Qaeda and porbably than any other secret intelligence agency) which is less extreme sounds like "bullshit" to your ears.
Atleast even if its not proven and dont believe the source still, you should wonder than call anything related fake.
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so are you saying that the CIA is doing it for their own profit/personal gain?
if you believe that then join the herd of sheep
and im not "surprised." I said i expect the CIA to be somewhere with the drug smugglers doing what the CIA does and has been doing for a long ass time. And im not surprised that theyre the majority of the latin american politicians since i highly doubt that.
And your comparisons don\'t fit. Especially the nazi propoganda.
Who knows? You may be in the herd of sheep. Would you know?
Who said anything about the reasons they may be doing it? I didnt say anything about it. If I assume its true I can only make guesses and there are many good guesses but thats irrelevant
You missed the point completely. I didnt compare any of these to CIA.
The point of it is that people dismiss something that is not widespreadly known and seen but sounds crazy. there are ton of things that sound logical, because they are being taught to us despite that they are outlandish factual happenings. If something is not widely known and sounds oultandish (sounds but may not be) is dismissed and called fake. There is no questioning or pondering "perhaps there might be some truth in this"
Also I didnt say he said it thus I believe it. I see it as a huge very logical possibility, because there have been some events
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Hey. I was just saying I didn\'t believe what you said. You said the professor said that the CIA is involved in drug smuggling and that all latin politicians are involved in the CIA. I\'m taking your words literally.
Your words. I\'m taking what you say completely literally and I don\'t believe a word. I don\'t care how much credit this guy is given, I still think its bullshit.
I dont care how you take it. These were the 2 points in my initial post which your brain although can catch bolts in bottles cant understand them in my posts. So I thought "hey lets make it as simple as possible since his brain might explode"
He didnt go as far as to tell us whats true or false. He just told us what he happened to see. 5 seconds talk. End of story. He isnt the knowledgable person and neither did he claim to be or did I claim it. He is just like me and you who due to his proffesion he accidentally stumbled upon it.
But this was never a secret anyways. Such matters were brought many times into public media which were later covered and forgotten
As for CIA doing drug smuggling he wasnt the one who said "hey CIA does drug smuggling in Latin America". He said its a possibility when he was being asked if what he saw was a connecting indication and real.
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Wow. The only thing I have to say about your last three posts is that my head hurts trying to comprehend your grammar and writing skills.
You have no evidence about anything you have said. You just keep going back to how your professor had a PhD. Viper was absolutely right. Just because htey have a PhD in one subject, doesn\'t mean they are knowledgeable in another. I\'ve had professors say in writing arts that had a PhD started talking about psychology. They got it wrong. You can\'t take everything they say as fact just because they have a PhD. They are people just like everyone else. If my writing professor was giving me advice about writing, then I\'ll pay close attention. But if my writing professor was talking about geography, then I don\'t take it worth a grain of salt. Again, just because they have a PhD, doesn\'t mean they know everything.
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I agreed with your post there. And I also got confused on Unicron last two or three posts too.
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Actually YOU got stuck into the PhD and master or whatever thing. Also I still fail to see what do PhD subjects have anything to do with this.
Also I already said that I dont base it on the fact that he has PhD that is proof he knows because he never acted like he was an expert or that he has information no one else has anyways. If there is someone who got stuck into the "proffesor" "PhD" thing or took my words as if I claimed he knows secret stuff is you. Quite clearly because it sounds so farfetched for you, you already made up your mind, and you dont even want to bother (which is just about list he saw).
You even put words into my mouth and had a very negative, arrogant attitude from the beginning
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I agreed with your post there. And I also got confused on Unicron last two or three posts too.
Sorry about that, but thats because they had their minds already determined. They put so many words into my mouth and replied with so many attacks and irrelevant points that I couldnt keep up.
One of my points was that they directly dismiss this possibility, but at the same time even crazier things happened.
Thats why I mentioned the 9/11 attack. If I came in 2000 and said a peasant like Bin Landen has this great plan to hijack planes and crash them onto the WTC, White House and Pentagon by training Al Qaeda members, who will manage to pass security and take over with the help of a knife it would have sounded even more farfetched and superstupid. Almost like a hollywood movie script.
Yet it happened for real, and after that people believe in farfetched lies about the middle east, but something as less extreme as what I mentioned all of the sudden sounds like "bullshit". Instead of thinking about the possibility I get attacked about the credibility and the persons PhD. Well f*ck it then
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Get back on topic please.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=86C4RNuAj6A
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Sorry about that, but thats because they had their minds already determined. They put so many words into my mouth and replied with so many attacks and irrelevant points that I couldnt keep up.
One of my points was that they directly dismiss this possibility, but at the same time even crazier things happened.
Thats why I mentioned the 9/11 attack. If I came in 2000 and said a peasant like Bin Landen has this great plan to hijack planes and crash them onto the WTC, White House and Pentagon by training Al Qaeda members, who will manage to pass security and take over with the help of a knife it would have sounded even more farfetched and superstupid. Almost like a hollywood movie script.
Yet it happened for real, and after that people believe in farfetched lies about the middle east, but something as less extreme as what I mentioned all of the sudden sounds like "bullshit". Instead of thinking about the possibility I get attacked about the credibility and the persons PhD. Well f*ck it then
Um....Bin Laden was not just some peasant. Actually, he was quite wealthy before he even got into terrorism. The Bin Laden family has been very wealthy for decades. He was trained by the CIA during the Afghan Wars and the US knew he was a threat shortly thereafter. They recognized his potential and we saw it through bombings throughout the middle east, the Afghan War and the first WTC bombing.
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I can\'t understand a word you\'re saying, Uni. STFU now and get back on topic.
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i understand what uni\'s sayin, but at the same time, he\'s got a bunch of combobulated bulls**t goin\' on with it....what i get from him is this....why is it so hard to believe of the CIA latino controversy thingy, when if he would\'ve you that some nut in middle east was going to ram two airplanes into the twin towers? *something almost relatively the same, but not really*...anyway an event that nobody would\'ve believed would happen, but actually did come to pass....but he does have a point...pre 911, i would\'ve told you that there\'s no way any terrorist would\'ve been able to get that off,...and they did, but i\'m pretty sure they didn\'t hijack the planes with box-cutters...:rolleyes:...guns and possibly c4 strapped to them maybe, but definitely not box-cutters.
so to wrap it up, if something like 911 could happen, why not the CIA controversy that he\'s referring to? he actually needs some other type of "spy" controversy to relate to the latino scenario tho.... as 911 isn\'t really something to compare to his CIA story.
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I would have believed someone pre-911 that they would hijack planes and ram them into some buildings. Security at airports is a joke, atleast pre-911. I would also believe that the CIA is involved in drug smuggling as an espionage operation to stop it. But I will not believe they are doing it for the money or that latino politicians are in on it.
I just heard a story last night of a couple kids who had a professor with a PhD in history telling his students that aliens built the pyramids and said that that is the fact. He has a PhD in the subject. You can\'t make this up. Apparently the guy is literally insane. My point? Even with a PhD, you have/can be skeptical of someone and their credendtials.
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Um....Bin Laden was not just some peasant. Actually, he was quite wealthy before he even got into terrorism. The Bin Laden family has been very wealthy for decades. He was trained by the CIA during the Afghan Wars and the US knew he was a threat shortly thereafter. They recognized his potential and we saw it through bombings throughout the middle east, the Afghan War and the first WTC bombing.
Magic words:
WAS
BEFORE
Afgan War = He wasnt alone
WTC = you wouldnt have believed it until you saw it.
Also CIA has a stronger and much more impressive history which shows even more potential than Bin Laden
I just heard a story last night of a couple kids who had a professor with a PhD in history telling his students that aliens built the pyramids and said that that is the fact. He has a PhD in the subject. You can\'t make this up. Apparently the guy is literally insane. My point? Even with a PhD, you have/can be skeptical of someone and their credendtials.
People were many times skeptical of things or outright dismissed facts that sounded crazy for known standards until they were proven at the end true.
Sorry but you ve got no point because for the billionth time you are twisting my words.
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Magic words:
WAS
BEFORE
Afgan War = He wasnt alone
WTC = you wouldnt have believed it until you saw it.
Also CIA has a stronger and much more impressive history which shows even more potential than Bin Laden
People were many times skeptical of things or outright dismissed facts that sounded crazy for known standards until they were proven at the end true.
Sorry but you ve got no point because for the billionth time you are twisting my words.
OMFG I\'m gonna beat my head into my desk. For the last fucking time, I\'m not twisting your words. I\'m taking them in the literal sense that you had stated. And my previous post had a point. And none of your posts make sense. I seriously think you are just saying shit to bring people into a pointless argument.
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Adapt your "take" instead of "taking them" in the "literal" sense since you know thats not what I am saying then
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I would have believed someone pre-911 that they would hijack planes and ram them into some buildings. Security at airports is a joke, atleast pre-911. I would also believe that the CIA is involved in drug smuggling as an espionage operation to stop it. But I will not believe they are doing it for the money or that latino politicians are in on it.
that\'s a little too easy to say in retrospect. At the time (i think we\'re the same age) I was a freshmen in high school and had no idea what al quida was. I thought it was some random country i had never heard of when someone first told me it was them.
The most that would happen with hijacking planes is they would have demands and land the plane to get them.
And yea..i could say that bush planned 9-11 and have as much of a case as CIA being involved i the drug smuggling for their own personal gain when in the past the CIA has done espionage countless times. while it may be able to be connected by some cracked out whack-job *cough* doesnt make it as high of a probability as doing it for espionage reasons.
Actually saw some history channel show about the CIA undercover in desert storm. Talk about guys with some massive cajones