c\'mon..Eik, i know i wrote alot in that first post, but i explained everything you just described....anytime you refer to afri. americans as "nappy headed"...that is a racist remark, and in the tone he put it in had racial tones all over the place....him callin them hoes didn\'t really bother me for reasons i already listed, but he needs to be fired, now does that mean he\'ll be off the air permanently?...no..he\'ll just go find work somewhere else....but msnbc needs to show that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated....2weeks?..that\'s bulls**t.....i\'ve stated plenty of times, that i\'m a fan of the lighthearted racial stuff, we all do it, but when it comes to the point to where it\'s insulting or hurtful, he needs to be canned....
i guess it\'s ok when flava-flav says stuff like that.
love seeing al sharpton profit over it, however
If flava-flav as you have said was to say something like that It would be very different.
Equality for some! Or, equality, but only when it\'s convenient for me! How about looking past skin color and realizing that if a black guy says it and it\'s harmless, then if any other guy says it, it\'s still harmless.
I don\'t think It\'s right for anyone to be saying those types of words.
Well that\'s different. Maybe nappy-haired should be added to America\'s list of taboo words. We have the n-word, and I think cunt may or may not make the list. Nappy-haired should go there, too. Nap is still ok, as is hair, but never combine the two lest we offend some people. What about wavy-haired or even blond-headed?
The context in which the guy said it and with his influence he should have known better.
Imus has no influence. And even if he did, if his comment influenced anything in someone, then that person already had problems to begin with and that person is the person who needs some attention.
White people have no Idea how it is feels to be racial discriminated against.
Try not to generalize. There absolutely are white people who know what it\'s like to be racially discriminated against. There are other white people who can empathize. There are other white people still who have no clue.
And whether or not any white people have been racially discriminated against should be irrelevant to this conversation. We\'re talking about Don Imus calling women nappy-haired. Your issue is obviously with the word \'nappy\'. If he had just called them hairy, that would\'ve been fine. So \'nappy\' is what we\'re talking about here. Focus your arguements on the word \'nappy\'. How passionate are you about it?
It is the unknown that they will never have to go through and can\'t even begin to imagine how it affects a person.
In the context of the word \'nappy\', I\'m pretty sure there are people of every ethnicity who have been called a name before.
And as far as the severity of this particular moral crime, I know that if someone says I have a big nose, I don\'t call him a racist. I mean, I could. I could get deeply offended, hold press conferences about it, drag this person\'s name through the media, get spokespeople to speak on my behalf, and incite message board threads on the subject. But really, in the first place, I should\'ve just let it roll off my nappy haired back.
Talk like that should not be allowed to be tolerated.
Insults should be banned altogether. Someone\'s feelings might get hurt and then who knows what could happen!
and while alot of black folk or rappers still say hoes and bitches,...that does not mean all black folk are sayin\' it, and even if they are that doesn\'t make it right...
Don\'t even begin to blow smoke about white people knowing about racial discrimination. Nappy headed is something that blacks have been called and have been reflected and portrayed. I mean it is just totally different for us. Something that you will never understand no matter what you type on a playstation forum. Until you know what it is like to have someone say or hold predjeduce against you because of your ethnicity. There is noway you can releate.
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that reverse discrimination
"The double standard is ridiculous. I\'m not claiming that I\'ve been made to sit in the back of a bus but neither have you."
^^^i agree with you here...and i\'ve continuosly(spel) stated that black folk are always going to get this argument from white folks sayin\' well ya\'ll say it and it\'s not a problem...in my very first post, i already gave heat to sharpton and jessie for basically protestin\' when it\'s a black/white thing, if they want to stop this thing or show they\'re serious?..protest in front of those record labels that promote this stuff. imus was wrong and he should be fired, that said tho, black folk need to take some heat for not having no respect and just bein plain backwards on this altogether...when you have video\'s that\'s basically havin\' rappers callin black women those names, and everybody is ok with it,...on top of that these videos are bein\' broadcast all over the world, then when a white person says something,..s**t hits the fan?...people get a certain impression of us when they see that stuff...and it\'s all negative.....once we get back some of that self-respect,THEN we can come at people like imus and others in full force, without bein\' hypocritical about it....
"Mocking how I talk or how I dress"
^^^your words not mine, and i hardly call that bein discrimnated against, now maybe some white folk might be discrimnated against if a company needs to meet it\'s quota for minorities, but let\'s be real, when you work for any major corporation, the black folk that make up any organization is barely 1 percent, and if it wasn\'t for quota\'s and affirmative action, those companies would hire even less minorities....i don\'t think any white person can tell me that they have been stopped by the cops for "driving while white"....black folk deal with that aspect of discrimnation on a daily basis and that is something i know white folk don\'t have to experience....
that reverse discrimination i mentioned against whites is something that i\'am against as well....hire that minority for his skills and not because you need to meet some "quota"....and if that other person has a stronger professional experience, and if he happens to be white,...hire him...
I\'ve walked through black neighborhoods where I had to keep my head down and get the hell out of there. Kids up to no good, you know? But that\'s another thread.
And regardless, Imus calling those women nappy haired is like Imus calling me wavy haired.
Grounds for termination!
Give me a break.
I don\'t intend to open your eyes to the reality of the world beyond your neighborhood or anything, I\'m just defending Imus\'s right to say what he\'s said.
Even if I thought what he said was stupid, he had the right to say it.
And to be fair:
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adj. nap·pi·er, nap·pi·est
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- Having a nap; fuzzy.
- Kinky; frizzy.
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nappy (adj.)
"downy," 1499, from nap (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nap) (n.). Meaning "fuzzy, kinky," used in colloquial or derogatory ref. to the hair of black people, is from 1950.
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nappy
adjective
1. (of hair) in small tight curls
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By the way, the guy on the left here has nappy hair. Am I racist?
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This dog has nappy hair. Am I racist now?
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This gir---- uh oh! What have I done?!?!
No such thing, it\'s just discrimination. As you can see, white people can be discriminated against, too. So can women. And Indians. And Asians. And teenagers. And the Irish. And gays. And Jewish people. And people who work in the mall food court.
Regardless, that\'s not what this is about.
You guys keep branching out to bigger issues because you know that this Imus thing is retarded.
Oh, retards can also be discriminated against.
Yeah he has the right to say it at home in the privacy of his friends and family. But he should not take those kind of views on a federal regulated radio and tv show.
Qud, I get discriminated against a lot so don\'t say white people don\'t know what its like. I get discriminated against as soon as people find out I\'m atheist. I get a lot of ridicule for it. The worst feeling is getting discriminated against by your own family. I\'m the only one in my religious family who doesn\'t believe in God. Tell me how it feels to be at a funeral and have your mom tell relatives you never met that I don\'t believe in God. I\'ll tell you it doesn\'t feel good.
Now mind you back then my 240 was only a year old, ground effects kit all around the car and a nice set of wheels..the whole 9...so he pulls me over...ask\'s who\'s car is this..i told him it was mine, i gave him my papers, everything was legit, then he goes over to her side, and asks her.."are you with him?"....she told him that she was...he then proceeded to ask her, "are you here against your will?"....at this point she was startin to get a bit upset cause she knew where this was goin\'....the police officer then asked her to step out so he could talk to her,...what these cops didn\'t know was that her father was the chief of police at the time, and she was yellin at these cops for the way we were bein treated...meanwhile 3 more cop cars arrive on the scene...and the one cop is tryin to calm her down, because he constantly kept asking her did i bring her against her will and s**t like that....as if i was kidnappin\' her or some s**t.
*serious mode*what everybody fails to realize is that he did not say one thing about the other team...who were predominantly white....so what if these rutgers players look a certain way...alot of the women who ply professional basketball black or white look kinda "butch" to some extent, the point here is that he specifically directed his view on the rutgers team,...some say howard stern does this as well?..i can honestly say from the shows i\'ve heard and seen that he does it in a way that\'s lighthearted and funny....he\'ll say somethin\' like "wow i better not say that N word or 50 cent or jay-z will come up here and kick my ass"
and while alot of black folk or rappers still say hoes and bitches,...that does not mean all black folk are sayin\' it, and even if they are that doesn\'t make it right...
You see, sometimes people get so blinded by their own plights that they fail to realize shit happens to EVERYONE and pulling the, "you just don\'t understand" card makes you sound selfish. You don\'t want us to understand. You\'d rather be able to play that card to get what you want and sound like a victim. Is there racism out there? Hell yes, but christ, everyone has dealt with some sort of discrimination, its human nature.
Yes, I do realize my stories pale in comparison to some of really bad shit that goes on, but do you honestly believe that someones skin color determines how much shit gets thrown at them in life? If you really think that, you are even more blind than I thought.
New Jersey State Police are notorious for their racial discrimination. Most people I see pulled over on the highways are black. My roommate wants to be a state policeman and he\'s like that now. I still can\'t see how people can hate someone based on race. I admit I make racial jokes but I make fun of everyone. But when it all comes down to it, I have friends at school who are white and black. I like them based on who they are, not the color of their skin. I think its ignorant to do that. My grandfather does that and talks mad shit about black people and I don\'t see why.
i was with you a bit in a sense that all discrimination is the same no-matter what it is..color age etc....my thing is that i\'ve never pulled that "you don\'t understand card to get what i want"....it\'s just that, yea we\'ve all been treated unfairly at some point and time just for being teenagers, but again you\'ve never been pulled over soley for the color of your skin...there\'s just no other way to put it....as far as me pulling a "woe is me"...you couldn\'t be farther from the truth...i don\'t want to make my story sound like a fairy tale,...but i grew up in the projects of newark,nj....graduated high school went to a 1 year technical school....raised my kids in the projects and busted my ass to get them out of that situation, *a scenario where you heard gunshots on the reg, especially in the summertime* moved to piscataway nj...
saved my money and bought a brand new crib in georgia and i have three vehicles in good condition.....and i did that by myself...
i hardly call that "me playin\' that card and sounding like a victim".....i was in a situation and did something about it...
Most of that was geared towards Quddus. Clips, you don\'t come off as an ass when you talk about this and I have much respect for that.
As far as the, but again you\'ve never been pulled over soley for the color of your skin. We\'re just going to have different view points on this one. People get singled out based soley on many attributes, I don\'t see it as being any different. They are all out of our control. It just so happens that in your case, there is a lot more negative, brutal history behind it, but most of it is just that, history. You really don\'t hear that many Jews going, "you just don\'t understand about the holocaust. You wouldn\'t understand it to be discriminated against based on your religious views." Its the past, it needs to be remembered so its not repeated but it doesn\'t need to be thrown in the face of national discussion every time an anti-semetic word is uttered.
i was with you a bit in a sense that all discrimination is the same no-matter what it is..color age etc....my thing is that i\'ve never pulled that "you don\'t understand card to get what i want"....it\'s just that, yea we\'ve all been treated unfairly at some point and time just for being teenagers, but again you\'ve never been pulled over soley for the color of your skin...there\'s just no other way to put it....as far as me pulling a "woe is me"...you couldn\'t be farther from the truth...i don\'t want to make my story sound like a fairy tale,...but i grew up in the projects of newark,nj....graduated high school went to a 1 year technical school....raised my kids in the projects and busted my ass to get them out of that situation, *a scenario where you heard gunshots on the reg, especially in the summertime* moved to piscataway nj...+ 10
saved my money and bought a brand new crib in georgia and i have three vehicles in good condition.....and i did that by myself...
i hardly call that "me playin\' that card and sounding like a victim".....i was in a situation and did something about it...
to be fair tho the holocaust was a one time event for the jews
Like a Woodstock or something.
I was just using black people as an example since this thread is about them...Are you friggin\' kidding?
Not labelling all black people as criminals...
Instead of blaming the white man or whatever race, how about getting your own people to stop promoting the stereotype?
Tell the Latinos to stop dealing drugs, getting pregnant, and hopping fences...
Tell the blacks to stop robbing, get off welfare, and get at least a HS education...
Tell the Asians to learn English and get a real green card...
Stereotypes didn\'t just suddenly appear...
Wha...???
I think Uni means that perhaps you (in a broad sense) should look at the reasons why these stereotypes are sometimes right.
I think this whole scenario shows the double standards we live with today.
Earlier in Imus\' career he made a comment about someone being a money grubbing jew. Not a single thing happened to Imus in this case.
Rosie O\'Donnel made a comment where while predicting the title of a chinese newspaper she used many chings and chongs. Obvisouly disrespecting the chinese people, as well as other Asians. She got off with an apology.
Michael Irvin made a comment that Tony Romo must be part black because hes athletic......nothing special there, just a nice little joke.
But when a white talk show host speaks negatively of a black person, its front page news for days and the man is fired.....wheres the justice in that? Its a blatant doubel standard, if society is going to have such strict rules when concerning one race, it should be the same for all races. If a black makes a comment about an asian online fire them, if an asian talks negatively about a white then fire them too.
from the perspective of someone who is neither black or white, it sounds like this is "payback" for all the slavery & discrimination that happened before any of us were born.
whites treated the blacks like sh!t for years, it\'s only natural for people to get all defensive when a smidgen of it pops up again.
Expect this BS to decrease as the newer generations take over but until then you whiteys got the short end of the stick.
agreed..:)...to be fair tho the holocaust was a one time event for the jews while slavery was what 600 - 800 years strong?....still both were a tragedy in history in general and we should all strive to be better overall human beings in general...No big deal, but just so you know... Jews have been persecuted for thousands of years. The 20th century holocaust was only a piece of it.
the task now since imus was canned is for black folk to step up to the plate and protest in front of record labels that promote the very things they were upset about....i\'m sure you can still make a quality rap song without all of that garbage.
And believe me, we need to do this, we cannot go back and be hypocritical about it, because in all honesty i can truly say that when i\'m in the clubs and a song will come on and say "where my bitches at?"...and you will see basically all of the hands of females in the club go up.....white, black it didn\'t matter....if some time goes by, and if nobody is at least sayin\' somethin\' about the videos and ongoings of the rap culture or any kind of protesting to put pressure on these rappers and labels,the next time an "imus" shows his head, he will definitely be fined with a slap on the wrist...i hope we\'ll be able to step up to the plate, and redeem some of our self-respect back,...but sadly i don\'t feel it\'s going to happen....
I think this is getting blown out of proportion because of the Michael Richards incident too. It seems like people are still in shock. If this happened even 5 years ago, no one would give a second look. I\'ve heard Howard Stern make worse jokes. This was just stupid and I don\'t think it deserves attention. Its getting all this attention so news anchors can try and further their careers.
It\'s all about context and you know that with Stern. This guy has a morning show that almost always tackles some serious topic or another. Stern also has a black person on the show and its a woman to boot...lol
oh and P.S Nappy Headed Ho- Girl with bad hair.....so unless i found a bad definition.....can someone show me the racist link in this story?
Right, which is why instead of blowing one incident hugely out of proportion (fine his ass, fire him, do whatever but don\'t make this a national issue that it clearly isn\'t) people like AL sharpton, who thrives on this shit, should be trying stop "bitches and hos" mentality that is so dominant in the rap world and the youth that try to emulate it. But thats clearly not a popular stance so it will never happen. At least not with pricks like him.
Edit: oh and Quddus please stop trying to throw the woe is me, I\'m black card. You\'ve been using for years and its tiring. People know what it is to be discriminated against (black, white, jewish, latino, islamic, you name it, whatever). You grow up, you get some balls and you realize those people are just ignorant trash not worthy of a response and you let it die into obscurity. I have black relatives far older than you, who have sincerely seen some tough shit, and I\'ve had conversations with them about racism and all that. And you know, not once did they ever say, "oh you\'d just never understand, you just can never relate." Thats just throwing up a huge wall and enabling people to continue their racist ways. You know, people are more understanding than you think. So stop being ignorant yourself and I don\'t know, maybe accept that people are people. Fuck what race they are. I hope this Imus thing dies quickly and quietly. Shouldn\'t be a national topic.
Are you friggin\' kidding?
I think Uni means that perhaps you (in a broad sense) should look at the reasons why these stereotypes are sometimes right.
\'Splain?This will be short and generalizing so please bear with me. But say you have a stereotype that \'children of immigrants from certain 3rd world countries are more prone to making trouble and being criminal than ethnic Danes\' (I\'m using an example from my own country because it\'s easier for me to relate to). This stereotype is common around here and it certainly does have a some truth to it. But instead of just saying "yeah those fucking bastards form gangs, rape our woman, yadda yadda yadda" perhaps one should look into WHY some of them do this. There are many reasons that could course this type of behavior - alienation from society, poverty because of unemployment, being constantly let down because of people\'s preconceived notion toward you (even though they don\'t know you, only your \'type\') etc. etc. etc.
"yeah those fucking bastards form gangs, rape our woman, yadda yadda yadda" perhaps one should look into WHY some of them do this.
But when you say "some black people have robbed cars" who can dispute you except to say "so have some white people."
And the rap Imus comparison is so dump. Rappers have nothing to do with Imus calling those women nappy headed hoes. Don\'t blame 50 cent or any other rapper for the mans bigotry.