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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: Samwise on April 28, 2007, 09:03:59 AM
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Great news for future PS-development. :D
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7078
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Why are these great news?
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You need new blood to continue to grow, it seems like after the PS2 Kenny got a little side tracked with making his console a multi-media center and as of right now it has not taken off, it may take a couple years but the people paying the bills at sony see nintendo wii selling more consoles and are thinking WTF!!!
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Wii is irrelevant, unless you wanted the PS3 to cost $200, be around as powerful as XBOX1, and change completely the way you playied your favourite games while 360 does what you wanted the PS3 to do and better
I dont think KK is to blame for PS3\'s course.
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wii sales dont really have anything to do with it. When your shit costs more, you sell less, and vice versa. It\'s the overall profit that matters, and ps3 will more than likely have a way bigger profit by the time the next next generation comes out.
I guess a change is always good..PS3 will pick up steam when good games come out. specifically the exclusives
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the profit comes after the initial sale of the system - which is a loss till later years... in ps3\'s case a big one... wii is turning a small profit on console sales right out the gate so... unless ps3s start to move and then bring on more software/accessory sales - then profit wont be so great
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So far, Sony backed the wrong business model.
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So far, Sony backed the wrong business model.
apparently....i\'ve read in various articles that the people at sony were not satisfied in the way he was handling the business....they were saying that this guy ran the ps3\'s budget through the roof and that he wanted to even add more s**t to it...he was waaay too ambitious....they were also dissappointed in the way that he wasn\'t securing exclusives for the system..they made it seem like it wasn\'t a huge priority for him...so now it is what it is...i still think price is the achilles heel for this system....we\'ll see what happens when the good games start to roll out...
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Yeah, I think Sony is still a dark horse for the future of this generation.
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"[PS3 is] for consumers to think to themselves \'I will work more hours to buy one\'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else." -- Toyo Keizai, 07/05
"The PlayStation [3] is not a game machine. We\'ve never once called it a game machine," -- Impress PC Watch, 05/05
Final Fantasy creator: “I’m not interested in the Playstation 3. The machine’s architecture is tricky, and I don’t like Kutaragi.”
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Bad news for future development of PlayStations. Without Kutaragi there would be no Emotion Engine in PS2, or no CELL in PS3.
The PS consoles will turn into a "me-too" console (hardware wize).
Kutaragi, while somewhat crazy, is a genius. Reminds me of Tesla. :)
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Bad news for future development of PlayStations. Without Kutaragi there would be no Emotion Engine in PS2, or no CELL in PS3.
The PS consoles will turn into a "me-too" console (hardware wize).
well maybe thats a good thing,...by the time developers actually do get hold of the hardware with exceptional graphics, usually it\'s at the end of the consoles life...if the ps3, would have had easy to develop for hardware from the jump, we wouldn\'t have to wait just for the "big" studios to give us excellent games...the emotion engine? Cell?...nice fancy names, but at the end of the day, they never really made an impact to the point to where it made a MAJOR difference in gaming...
people stated that the only reason why xbox games looked better than the ps2 was because it came out after it, well the 360 is out before the ps3 and it\'s games are lookin\' better than most of the ps3\'s games so far...maybe now they can create hardware that\'s easy to develop for and graphical & performance abilities won\'t be such a headache...
those statements that ASH listed also shows sony\'s extreme arrogance with their system..."uh it\'s not a gaming system"..:rolleyes:....sony\'s gotten away from the very theme that\'s gotten them there in the first place.
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well maybe thats a good thing,...by the time developers actually do get hold of the hardware with exceptional graphics, usually it\'s at the end of the consoles life...if the ps3, would have had easy to develop for hardware from the jump, we wouldn\'t have to wait just for the "big" studios to give us excellent games...
Um.. All systems have their ramp up time, no system will ever be efficently used in the first few titles (not the 3d systems anyway). Though PS2s curve seems longer, but is that because the system was supported for longer? Xbox was KO the day MS announced 360 (actually even before that). The GameCube, well you know how that went.
In short, its silly to think any system will deliver end-of-generation graphics at the beginning. It has never been true. And as someone said, you cant polish a turd, devs which made shit games on PS2 and Xbox will continue to make shit games on PS3 and 360, easy hardware or not.
the emotion engine? Cell?...nice fancy names, but at the end of the day, they never really made an impact to the point to where it made a MAJOR difference in gaming...
Major difference in gaming? I never claimed that, hardware on its own cant do that, thats up to the software. Emotion Engine was a great processor, do you think PS2 would still be able to WOW and make people go OMFGWTFBBQ without that processor? No, for its time it was a VERY powerful processor, hard to utilize but once the devs got the hang of things it brought us some fantastic looking games.
CELL pretty much rapes everything out there, so yeah its a fucking great processor, ask any dev with half a brain.
people stated that the only reason why xbox games looked better than the ps2 was because it came out after it, well the 360 is out before the ps3 and it\'s games are lookin\' better than most of the ps3\'s games so far...
Depens on how you compare. PS3 launch vs whats out on the 360 right now. Advantage 360. Compare coming titles on both systems? Massive advantage for PS3. Again, its about the ramp up time. PS3 is still on its 1st gen software, 360 is in on its 2nd and soon 3rd gen software. The same was true for Xbox, it took some time before it to deliver its best visuals.
maybe now they can create hardware that\'s easy to develop for and graphical & performance abilities won\'t be such a headache...
Its mostly in the software now. PS3 is better compared to PS2, but still not as easy to code for as the 360. Why? Microsoft is a software company, they have the edge when it comes to the dev tools. Sony OTOH is a hardware company, and they are still builing up their software support. But I think you can ask any dev and he\'ll say they have made big improvements compared to PS2.
those statements that ASH listed also shows sony\'s extreme arrogance with their system..."uh it\'s not a gaming system"..:rolleyes:....sony\'s gotten away from the very theme that\'s gotten them there in the first place.
Way to concentrate on the negatives.
I dont know how you feel, but for me PS3 really isnt just a game console any more. I run Linux on it, I watch movies. So in that regard Kutaragi is right, but of course its still marketed mainly as a game system. I dont think they have moved away, more like expanding. Sony has over 100 games in development for PS3, so saying they are moving away is gay and silly. :gfight:
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"Depens on how you compare. PS3 launch vs whats out on the 360 right now. Advantage 360. Compare coming titles on both systems? Massive advantage for PS3. Again, its about the ramp up time. PS3 is still on its 1st gen software, 360 is in on its 2nd and soon 3rd gen software. The same was true for Xbox, it took some time before it to deliver its best visuals" *fast*
all i\'m sayin is that when 2nd generation ps2 games were comin out, ist generation xbox games were lookin\' better the ps2 games....and i\'m sayin that since the roles are reversed this time around the ps3 games really aren\'t lookin that better yet, i say that because the ps3 is supposedly newer hardware and supposedly more powerful, but the games still look at best either not as good or as good as the 360, but not better....this argument sounds painfully juvenile i know,....it\'s just that back then that was the argument....now however i feel both systems are about equal strength wise...
"Way to concentrate on the negatives.
I dont know how you feel, but for me PS3 really isnt just a game console any more. I run Linux on it, I watch movies. So in that regard Kutaragi is right, but of course its still marketed mainly as a game system. I dont think they have moved away, more like expanding. Sony has over 100 games in development for PS3, so saying they are moving away is gay and silly." *fast*
So, you don\'t think that the price of this thing is hurting them? Even if they did have some decent games at launch price is still a huge factor,...hell i can afford $600.00 but it\'s hard for me to pluck down that much cash for what at the end of the day is a gaming system....blu-ray is a nice addition, but all the other bells and whistles? that\'s what a computer is for...and i could really do without....i applaud sony for tryin to think outside the box, but tryin\' to make the system the all in one, with such an aggresive nature, when the life of these systems are 5 - 6 yrs at most isn\'t worth it....but i do agree with everything else you stated...
*edit* sorry..i don\'t know how to do that multiple quote thingy..:)
I guess this is one of those things that make the ps3 a wee bit better than the 360 eh Fast?
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/785/785344p1.html
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Personally I d love to have an all in one system. Sitting in front of a computer and a monitor all the time for the most basic forms of enertainment, having to switch from living room couch to my PC, and having to worry about hardware or OS problems, are things I want to be a part of the past.
I want to be able to play my games, watch my movies, enjoy my music and videos, etc on the go, without having to worry about the "complexity" and trouble of a PC. Besides who sais that this is a function that should stay forever on PCs only because thats how things were for so many years? Things change
Also its not these functions that raised the cost on the PS3. 360 also relies on such features. The difference is that the PS3 offers some extras for less or for free. Linux is one of them and that has nothing to do with the price. Its a free extra. So dont complain. I dont see anyone complaining about 360\'s media centre functionalities.
What raised the PS3\'s price so much more is mostly BR and Cell and these things would have been in there even if Kutaragi didnt want PS3 to become an all in one system.
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*edit* sorry..i don\'t know how to do that multiple quote thingy..:)
Just do like you did, except put [quote ] and [/quote ] around everything instead of using quotation marks.
For the first [quote ] tag, you can even put a person\'s name in in. , for example.
I touch boys.
See?
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all i\'m sayin is that when 2nd generation ps2 games were comin out, ist generation xbox games were lookin\' better the ps2 games....
Two things here, Xbox was pretty much PC in a box. PS2 used a multi-core processor, not a lot of devs had experience with that back then. Two very different designes, Xbox was the winner in the short run, PS2 in the long run.
and i\'m sayin that since the roles are reversed this time around the ps3 games really aren\'t lookin that better yet, i say that because the ps3 is supposedly newer hardware and supposedly more powerful, but the games still look at best either not as good or as good as the 360, but not better....this argument sounds painfully juvenile i know,....it\'s just that back then that was the argument....now however i feel both systems are about equal strength wise...
Again you cant call this one yet. Xbox 360 has been out for a longer period of time, the devs had their games running on 360 longer than devs have had PS3 games running (many devs are soon going to be releasing their SECOND 360 title). 360 is the primary platform for many of the mutliplatform games, those games get the quick port treatment when released on the PS3.
If ignoring whats out now on 360 and thinking what it would be like if both systems released at the same time, just for fun.
Who would look better in your eyes? PS3 has one very impressive title (graphically) and thats MotorStorm. That game singlehandidly rapes everything that was out for 360s release, tech wise (and visually, IMO.) And I think Resistance compares very well to any 360 title, 30fps rock solid with a shit-ton of action on screen and in parts very impressive visuals. Also flawless imagequality.
So, you don\'t think that the price of this thing is hurting them? Even if they did have some decent games at launch price is still a huge factor,...hell i can afford $600.00 but it\'s hard for me to pluck down that much cash for what at the end of the day is a gaming system....blu-ray is a nice addition, but all the other bells and whistles?
As I paid over 960 USD for my system (swedish taxes LOL!) I think 600 is NOTHING to cry about. :)
And the price is a short term problem, the system is already going through hardware revisions which will make it cheaper. The Emotion Engine & Graphics Synthesizer are gone, the CELL will soon or already is a 65nm processor, the cost of a blu-ray diode has gone from 125USD when the PS3 was released to under 8 dollars per diode. So things are in motion to make it cheaper, the question is when Sony will lower the price? As soon as they can I think. PS3 is selling well in only one region (2nd biggest market, but still) and thats Europe.
that\'s what a computer is for...and i could really do without....
Ever heard of HTPCs? PS3 could be one hell of a HTPC, it has wireless internet, its quiet and has a very very powerful media processor.
i applaud sony for tryin to think outside the box, but tryin\' to make the system the all in one, with such an aggresive nature, when the life of these systems are 5 - 6 yrs at most isn\'t worth it....
The life span is why I think its worth it. The blu-ray will benefit games software. If they had gone with a DVD yet again, the system would be gimped for the rest of the generation, 5-6 years.
Remember, a PC is replaced usually within 3-4 years. So you can afford to go so-so on the hardware. Consoles OTOH I think should get the best thats out there, because remember you\'ll be stuck with the tech for a long time.
I guess this is one of those things that make the ps3 a wee bit better than the 360 eh Fast?
I cant for the life of me understand why Microsoft didnt make the HDD standard. Such a retarded mistake. Also I think using DVDs as the storage media for games was a mistake.