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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Samwise on July 02, 2007, 11:32:54 PM
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http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usbush0703,0,3656692,print.story?coll=ny-top-headlines
Well isn\'t that nice. +1 for evil. :rolleyes:
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it\'s good to be the king
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Why just distance itself from the legislative branch when they can piss on the judicial branch as well. Don\'t forget to shake it off.
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How many did Clinton pardon just before he left? Some of them far worse than Scooter.
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm
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Oh Gman, in that case it\'s totally fine. Bush is super. :)
PS. I wonder how many of those guys were scapegoats and/or friends of Clinton. :laughing:
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He knows too much...he\'d probably squeal in jail about all sorts of shit.
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Wouldn\'t it be suspicious if he was run over whilst leaving prison?
Nah.... ;)
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Not that big of a deal...pardons are given all the time, got a problem with it then amend the constitution, don\'t yell at George.
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I don\'t mind pardoning when it comes to people who were wrongly accused. Hell, I don\'t mind death row sentenses being \'converted\' into a life time of prison. What I do mind is how this administration and its friends are above the law, doing whatever the hell pleases them without regard to the American people. In fact, not only do I mind, it makes me fucking sick. And how some of you downplay it like it\'s nothing is absolutely mindblowing.
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while everything you said is true (minding the "THIS" administration..you look at every complaint about a current government and they say "this" administration when its every single one), your first statement just starts it off on the worst foot possible. who would mind an innocent person being pardoned?
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Why focus on that? That wasn\'t my point. My point was how corrupt this (yes THIS) administration is and have been acting all along. THAT is what is sickening.
Check out this quote from the president\'s book "A Charge To Keep":
"I don\'t believe my role is to replace the verdict of a jury with my own," - George W. Bush on why he signed death warrants for 152 inmates as governor of Texas.
One could add: "Unless it\'s my neocon buddies of course."
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Why focus on that? That wasn\'t my point. My point was how corrupt this (yes THIS) administration is and have been acting all along. THAT is what is sickening.
Check out this quote from the president\'s book "A Charge To Keep":
"I don\'t believe my role is to replace the verdict of a jury with my own," - George W. Bush on why he signed death warrants for 152 inmates as governor of Texas.
One could add: "Unless it\'s my neocon buddies of course."
tru, no doubt..... from iraq to this situation with Libby, this administration pretty much does whatever it wants, with the majority of the american citizens wanting us to pull out of iraq, he\'s still stubborn, and stays a course that has been failing for the past four years, i\'m sure he see\'s the polls regarding iraq and how people want him to pull out, but the only thing he\'ll say about that is "see? that\'s democracy at it\'s finest"...:rolleyes:
I really haven\'t been following the Libby case too close, but other than him leaking this cia\'s agent name while she was still out in the field, at a time when her husband made some statements regarding information about saddam and about how he was tryin\' to obtain uranium to make bombs was false (i think this was while the white house was tryin\' to make a case for the war? not sure) but ultimately somewhere down the line the vice prez was involved in this(in regards to the leak) and when they tried to get him to come to court, he used some sort of special priviledge so that he couldn\'t attend....
I wonder if that person would\'ve ended up dead because of her cover bein blown, would he have still pardoned Libby....he probably would have...
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Bwahaha!
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Lie to people about reasons to go to war.
Punish people who show dissent.
Stonewall when people look for answers.
Protect people who do your illegal bidding.
But until he gets a b.j., we can\'t impeach him I guess. Anyone here want to take one for the team? You can wipe your mouth with what\'s left of the consitution.
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Okay kids, Clinton didn\'t get impeached for the blowjob. He was impeached for lying to the grand jury.
And Sammie, did you look at the list of crimes those people did that were executed? Time to seal up that bleeding heart with reality check.
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Okay kids, Clinton didn\'t get impeached for the blowjob. He was impeached for lying to the grand jury...
... about getting a blowjob. Which is worse apparently then lying to the entire country on national television about our reasons for invading Iraq.
And Sammie, did you look at the list of crimes those people did that were executed? Time to seal up that bleeding heart with reality check.
Did you totally miss the point, or are you ignoring it? It\'s pretty clear, and it has nothing to do with whether the prisoners deserved the death penalty.
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... about getting a blowjob. Which is worse apparently then lying to the entire country on national television about our reasons for invading Iraq.
Did you totally miss the point, or are you ignoring it? It\'s pretty clear, and it has nothing to do with whether the prisoners deserved the death penalty.
When the president is given information about Iraq, he\'s got little choice but to listen and act. If the information gathered and given to the president is not accurate and Iraq continues to deny searches by the inspectors, yeah, shit happens.
We\'ve been through this before. Isn\'t time for you to feed a tree?
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Give me a fucking break. Even I knew Iraq was no threat to the United States. I stated it in this forum. Oh, I guess I didn\'t have the CIA feeding me false reports, so I was somehow able to see the situation clearer that the POTUS.
You\'re living in fantasy land if you think the president was innocently duped into lying to the world about to need to quash the Iraqi threat. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and every one of their appointees all knew the truth, but they lied and concealed it to make sure the invasion went ahead as planned.
By the way, what ever happened to the buck stopping at the president\'s desk?
Gigashadow already affirmed his disapproval of President Clinton\'s impeachment. You need to get in touch with reality.
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What\'s Giga got to do with my opinion? YOU KNEW Iraq was no threat? Why most of Europe approve the sending of weapons inspectors in Iraq? No threat, huh?
Someone has sand in their sandals and is starting to bitch a lil too much.
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The weapons inspections had the desired effect. Saddam dismantled his WMDs. All this happened long before our invasion of Iraq.
You can choose to listen to all points of view, or (like the president) you can choose to listen only to those you agree with.
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i agree with Core here, i too knew iraq wasn\'t a threat, toppling saddam and having a solid foothold in the middle east with what was at the time the 2nd largest distributor of oil seemed too good to pass up, and with the u.s. wanting to execute some type of revenge for 911 bush played his agenda to tha hilt...It\'s amazing why we haven\'t heard anything about that million dollar embassy bein built over there, this thing was planned from the jump and they thought that this transaction would be a walk in the park, when in reality it\'s anything but that, now bush states if we leave iraq the terrorists will follow us here...what an idiot, he made the situation ten times worse than it was than when saddam was in power...
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I have always been really patriotic and always stood by my government and the choices they made, democrat or republican. However, my trust in the government, more specifically this regime has been greatly shaken. I used to want to go into the Army and defend this country. But with Bush in office, I really have begun to see the corruption and shortcomings of the government. I still support the troops and believe we need to get them the equipment they need to finish and clean up this mess we are in. This fortress, I mean embassy, is so unnecessary. I really feel this government has lost base with its roots. What happened to compromise? What happened to civil liberties? This patriot act is the biggest infringement on the Bill of Rights. Its either one party rules or the other. I remember way back when, politicians worked together and compromised to make things work. Now its either you\'re for us or against us. We need too take a good look at our government and greatly reform it back to how things used to be, back to the roots of our country. I\'m also getting sick of our foreign policy. We should not be the police of the world, no matter how much they want to be. Let other parts worry about themselves. I kinda wish we could go back to the pre-WWI and Cold War days when we weren\'t the superpower but worried about our own domestic policies. Things just seem to me to work better then. Who knows, I may be wrong but this is just my perspective.
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while that\'s all valid, titan, i just want to throw something out there since we\'re the same age..plus i was the same way (standing by the governments decisions). I feel part of it is that we\'re getting older, and less naive. I was a freshmen in highschool when bush came in office. Meaning i was always in grade school when there was any other party in office, and I didnt become politically aware of things until..probably september 11th.
The administration is fucked up, no doubt. But a reason you probably didnt question government was because you were just in middle school...and who thinks about politics in middle school
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o god..... wait thats a different thread....
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Punish people who show dissent.
Who?
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The pardon is really no big deal as others have said, all Presidents do it near the end of their terms.
As for impeachment. I am just as strongly against it now as I was when Clinton was in office. Impeachment is a last resort and should not be used because you disagree with policy or just plain don\'t like the guy. We aren\'t Italy for Christ\'s sake... how many governments have they had since WW2?
Corruption and lying exist at all levels of government and if we want to start witch hunts no one would be in office. However, I will say the Bush Adminstration is approaching the limit of tolerance most have for these antics.
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Well, it\'s been a while.
I find it funny how when the Libby pardon comes up everybody directly points at Clinton. It is a relevant point of course. The degree of corruption that is OPENLY being pushed down our throats by this administration is completely out of hand. Failing to testify for congress over the firing of the government officials because of "executive" power is complete nonsense. There is without a doubt very corrupt law making being done and we are witnessing it first hand! Cheney is neither in the executive or the legislative branch so he has to respond to nobody...Bush is not moving one bit on Iraq...
This administration is heading to hell as most predicted after his re-election.
And nobody in their right minds is saying Iraq was not a threat. Iraq was a threat but it could of been done without rushing and with much more than just "reports" of WMD which turned out to be false. Somebody slipped up and I bet it goes way higher than the "report guy"
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And nobody in their right minds is saying Iraq was not a threat. Iraq was a threat but it could of been done without rushing and with much more than just "reports" of WMD which turned out to be false. Somebody slipped up and I bet it goes way higher than the "report guy"
I agreed with everything you stated up until this point...iraq was as harmless as a kitten and wasn\'t a threat at all. After 911 bush just seemed focused on invading iraq no-matter what, even when he knew for a fact that they had nothing to do with 911. To me it just seemed like a personal vendetta to finish the job his father didn\'t finish and with the american public wanting some type of action, why not pick on somebody with a depleted army that we could take with no problem....it\'s funny tho even while bush was making preparations to invade, N. Korea at the time was sayin s**t like "i will bring death to america".
Bush and others totally ignored them and simply stated that they were blowing alot of hot air...and they knew that N. Korea was more likely to have wmd\'s rather than iraq....over and over they stated,"we must deal with N.Korea diplomatically" Saddam may have been playin\' a chess game to some degree but ultimately no wmd\'s were found and i never heard him directly threaten the u.s. during that scenario while N.Korea was very vocal on it and the u.s. was doing whatever it could to NOT engage N.korea militarily.
Bush knows he\'s on his way out, and with an approval rating of 29% he\'s simply doing whatever he wants to do, and with all of this other stuff he\'s just brushing aside and throwing these executive priviledges all over the place, just goes to show he doesn\'t care what anybody thinks or says, it\'s his way or noway...